• 04-13-2010
    CommuterBoy
    Let's see your Performance Access XCL 9r Build!
    I got sick of searching for pictures when I was building mine... so lets put them in one place, shall we? ... inspirational pics for those who are building one up. Plus, I want to see yours so I can steal your ideas.

    Here's mine, it's the 21" frame:

  • 04-13-2010
    mtnbiker72
    Not the best shot (cell phone camera) but here is the current build, 19" Frame

  • 04-13-2010
    sean salach
    21" frame. No longer built up. I found 120mm on that fork to be too much for the frame. the front end was floppy and wandered. 80 or 100 would be much better.

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/72475478@N00/3884511339/" title="access1 by anrothardonn, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2587/3884511339_4572184d93.jpg" width="500" height="375" alt="access1" /></a>
  • 04-13-2010
    mtnbiker72
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sean salach
    21" frame. No longer built up. I found 120mm on that fork to be too much for the frame. the front end was floppy and wandered. 80 or 100 would be much better.

    I found 100 was too much as well...I went to 80 and it rides just right (note, I have a 39mm offset fork)
  • 04-13-2010
    toddre
    To you guys on a 21" frame....how tall are you? I'm about 6'4" with longish arms. ETT-wise my preference is right between the 21 and the 23. Can't decide whether to go long or stay on the shorter side.
  • 04-13-2010
    CommuterBoy
    I'm a little over 6'2",longish arms, riding the 21" frame. I actually ordered the 23" frame originally, and I sent it back because it seemed so rediculously huge. You gain way more height than you do length jumping from the 21 to the 23. I would definitely advise you to stay on the shorter side. I'm running mine with a super short stem, and I love the feel. I would think that I would be totally comfortable on mine if I was 6'4" with just a stem swap. Not worth the jump to the 23 because you pay for it in standover height and head tube length. Just my 2 cents...
  • 04-13-2010
    sean salach
    I'm 6'4" with long arms as well, and prefer smaller frames. The 21" felt a tiny bit big for me.
  • 04-13-2010
    seat_boy
    6'3", 36" PBH, here was my 21":



    Drop bar mode:



    I sold it with some regret; I'm thinking about picking up another. I'm waiting until they're on sale :)
  • 04-13-2010
    CommuterBoy
    ^^ What kind of tensioner were you using, and what size were your two front rings? I want to do 2x1 like that on my commuter..
  • 04-13-2010
    rzims
    here's mine - 19" frame (edited)- not a very compelling shot in the garage, but I'v eonly ridden it once so far on it's maiden voyage.
  • 04-13-2010
    seat_boy
    It's a Dimension tensioner, basically the same as the Performance Forte brand item. I run a 32/26 up front, and a 16/20 in the back. The keeps the chain the same length between the mountain gear (46") and the road gear (65").

    Since the chain has to move laterally to change gears, I took the bolt that holds the tension wheel in place and welded a washer to it, effectively creating a wing nut. This allows me to change gears, tool free. Here's a picture:


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by CommuterBoy
    ^^ What kind of tensioner were you using, and what size were your two front rings? I want to do 2x1 like that on my commuter..

  • 04-14-2010
    CommuterBoy
    Cool, thanks. I like that set-up. Didn't see the two gears out back. I want to keep a road double up front (50/36) and do a single cog out back. The only problem I'm having is that most tensioners can't make up for that huge of a difference in front chainrings. There are some two-pully options (pauls makes one) but they are pricy.
  • 04-14-2010
    OilcanRacer
    i changed a few things recently when i retired one of my bikes and put the parts on my access.






    i am running a dingle like seat_boy. except that i run the torsion gear in the middle of the two rear gears and it can handle it no problem. i got about 1,000 miles of tough trail riding this way. front 32/36 rear 25/21. i can even cross chain it no problem.

    i am switching over to a EBB and losing the tensioner soon.





    a real added bonus of this frame is being to run 2.4 tires front and back. mega tire clearance.
  • 04-14-2010
    TBMD9er
    2 Attachment(s)
    The big one, 23"
    I actually just sold mine. I built it up as I was going through a warrenty issue on another frame. Kind of sad to see it go, but couldn't justify 3 29er's
  • 04-14-2010
    toddre
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TBMD9er
    I actually just sold mine. I built it up as I was going through a warrenty issue on another frame. Kind of sad to see it go, but couldn't justify 3 29er's


    Wow that is big, how tall are you?
  • 04-14-2010
    TBMD9er
    Not so big
    I'm about 6'3" with around 36" inseam. I was thinking about going with the 21" frame, but this one fit me pretty well. Standover was a little tight, but the cockpit fit me fine.
  • 04-14-2010
    baker
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by rzims
    here's mine - 18" frame - not a very compelling shot in the garage, but I'v eonly ridden it once so far on it's maiden voyage.

    Isn't it just available in 17,19,21, and 23? I ordered a 17" frame and received a 23" frame. Holy smokes, that thing is huge!

    I tried a 17" fully built bike in the store and it fit well, when the seatpost was at (or just beyond) full extension. I'm 5'9" with a 30" inseam.

    I'm jonesing to receive my frame. I have everything ready to build it into a 25.5 lb 1x9 29er.
  • 04-14-2010
    fireflock
    Here's my 23" frame. 6'7", 'cause I know someone is going to ask. Having a budget 23" 29er frame is awesome for us tall guys.

  • 04-14-2010
    M_S
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by OilcanRacer
    i changed a few things recently when i retired one of my bikes and put the parts on my access.

    i am running a dingle like seat_boy. except that i run the torsion gear in the middle of the two rear gears and it can handle it no problem. i got about 1,000 miles of tough trail riding this way. front 32/36 rear 25/21. i can even cross chain it no problem.

    i am switching over to a EBB and losing the tensioner soon.





    a real added bonus of this frame is being to run 2.4 tires front and back. mega tire clearance.

    Never thought I'd see a 150 dollar frame with Edge wheels. I dig it, you've got your priorities straight. :thumbsup:
  • 07-31-2010
    bigdog547
    Square Taper Size?
    Please help me...

    I am in the process of building up an Access 9'er in 23".
    I need to find a square taper bottom bracket for my build.

    Does any one know what model square taper bottom bracket will fit?
    I had a Shimano in my previous Gary Fisher.

    All help is appreciated.


    Thanks,

    Brian
  • 07-31-2010
    Natedogz
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by toddre
    To you guys on a 21" frame....how tall are you? I'm about 6'4" with longish arms. ETT-wise my preference is right between the 21 and the 23. Can't decide whether to go long or stay on the shorter side.

    6'2" on the 21" frame....the stock 120mm stem is going to be swapped for something a lil shorter soon. EDIT: Swapped stem for a 90mm and it felt pretty good on a road ride last night.
  • 08-17-2010
    beagledadi
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by OilcanRacer
    i changed a few things recently when i retired one of my bikes and put the parts on my access.






    i am running a dingle like seat_boy. except that i run the torsion gear in the middle of the two rear gears and it can handle it no problem. i got about 1,000 miles of tough trail riding this way. front 32/36 rear 25/21. i can even cross chain it no problem.

    i am switching over to a EBB and losing the tensioner soon.





    a real added bonus of this frame is being to run 2.4 tires front and back. mega tire clearance.


    Nice wheels!! :thumbsup:

    Matt
  • 08-17-2010
    txxcrider

    By txxcrider at 2010-08-17


    This was my build, but now I have it built up on a a VooDoo Soukri
  • 08-17-2010
    go-pirates
    I love my Access 9er, but I'm looking for tires with a bit more volume to soften up the ride. Currently running 2.1 Schwalbe Alberts, which are light and fast. I want more cush, but not something that is way heavy (a little heft is okay). Riding mostly hardpack. Any suggestions?
  • 08-17-2010
    DFYFZX
    2.25 or 2.40 Racing Ralphs...
  • 08-17-2010
    go-pirates
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DFYFZX
    2.25 or 2.40 Racing Ralphs...

    Sounds good. No issues with fit for the 2.4's, then?
  • 08-17-2010
    DFYFZX
    I don't ride Access 9er but I've heard they'll handle it;) Look at post 19...
  • 08-18-2010
    Rucker61
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by go-pirates
    Sounds good. No issues with fit for the 2.4's, then?

    I'm running WTB 2.55 Weirwolfs with no clearance issues.
  • 08-18-2010
    CommuterBoy
    Well I liked my Access so much I built another one for the commute... running 2.35 Big Apples, fenders are in the mail. It will clear them no problem. Here are the twins.



  • 08-19-2010
    gmtx77
    I picked up my new Access XCL 9.7 a couple of weeks ago. Only ridden it on short hops so far mainly due to the heat. Its friggin hot here. Going fishing all next week but plan on putting it through its paces when I return. So far though I love this bike. Very impressed so far. Handles well. Fits well. I'll post a complete review along with pics sometime in Sept.
  • 10-07-2010
    bondiablo
    I started with my new 2010 Access XCL 9.5 Slate/19 then went a little nuts on the "upgrades" but got everything relatively cheap and resold the parts I replaced so really didn't end up spending that much more. Anyway, I'm happy with it. Here's what I added. The last picture is my old Trek 800 in front of the Access 29er.

    RockShox Tora TK Fork
    Cane Creek ZS-3 Headset
    Shimano SLX FC-M660 175mm Crankset
    Avid BB7 Brakes
    MKS Lambda Pedals
    ODI Rogue Grips
    Lizard Skins Chainstay Guard
    Forté Men's Softail Saddle
    Forté Quick Release Seatpost Collar











  • 10-07-2010
    gregnash
    Can't wait to get mine in the next month or so. Sucks that the price just went up to $129?! Hopefully that just means they have a new model coming out.
  • 10-16-2010
    James12345
    4 Attachment(s)
    Just finished!
    Here is my Performance Access 9r 1x9 budget build that I just finished up last night! Some parts came from Jenson, CRC, and CL.

    Took me approximately 1 year to build up. Scrapping for the best deals or what I thought was the best deal took some time. Wohoooooo, now I just need to go ride the dang thing.

    All parts were new except for the fork, wheelset, seat, and grips.

    Frame: Performance Access 9r 17 inch: $75
    Fork: 2007 Rockshox Reba 29er: $120
    Wheelset: Mavic TN719 w/ XT hubs: $140.00
    Crankset: Shimano SLX: $128.00
    Cassette: Shimano XT M770: $53.00
    Shifters: Shimano SLX M660: $70.00
    Rear Deraileur: Shimano XT M772: $71.00
    Chain: Shimano XT HG93: $24.00
    Headset: Canecreek ZS-3: $44.25
    Handlebar: Truvativ Stylo Team: $19.33
    Stem: Truvativ Stylo Team: $32.67
    Seatpost: Truvativ Stylo Team: $37.33
    Seat Collar: Thomson: $29.00
    Brakes: Avid BB7 160mm F&R: $104.00
    Tires: Continental Mtn King F&R: $68.00
    Tubes: $6.00
    Cables: Kore: $40.00
    Seat: Had one laying around

    So this build came out to about $1060.
  • 10-16-2010
    gregnash
    Dude I really hope that the access frame gets down that low again!!!!
  • 10-16-2010
    jeffj
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by James12345
    Here is my Performance Access 9r 1x9 budget build that I just finished up last night! Some parts came from Jenson, CRC, and CL.

    Took me approximately 1 year to build up. Scrapping for the best deals or what I thought was the best deal took some time. Wohoooooo, now I just need to go ride the dang thing.

    All parts were new except for the fork, wheelset, seat, and grips.

    Frame: Performance Access 9r 17 inch: $75
    Fork: 2007 Rockshox Reba 29er: $120
    Wheelset: Mavic TN719 w/ XT hubs: $140.00
    Crankset: Shimano SLX: $128.00
    Cassette: Shimano XT M770: $53.00
    Shifters: Shimano SLX M660: $70.00
    Rear Deraileur: Shimano XT M772: $71.00
    Chain: Shimano XT HG93: $24.00
    Headset: Canecreek ZS-3: $44.25
    Handlebar: Truvativ Stylo Team: $19.33
    Stem: Truvativ Stylo Team: $32.67
    Seatpost: Truvativ Stylo Team: $37.33
    Seat Collar: Thomson: $29.00
    Brakes: Avid BB7 160mm F&R: $104.00
    Tires: Continental Mtn King F&R: $68.00
    Tubes: $6.00
    Cables: Kore: $40.00
    Seat: Had one laying around

    So this build came out to about $1060.

    :thumbsup: Well done. Impressive build for the money spent.
  • 10-16-2010
    James12345
    Thanks!
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jeffj
    :thumbsup: Well done. Impressive build for the money spent.

    Thanks! It wasn't easy. There were times where I just wanted to say screw it and go buy a fully built bike. But I always came to the realization that I wanted to ride something that i built from the ground up.

    Off topic if anybody was curious or looking for a new chainstay wrap for their rig, Home Depot has this 3M Self Sticking Splice Tape for like $2.50. It works great. Only sticks to itself and thus will not leave a nasty residue on your frame afterwards. Only brought it up because this was the first time I had used it and it came out fantastic.
  • 10-17-2010
    gmtx77
    I was wondering about that tape. Which department did you find it in? They tend to spread their tape displays around according to application in our local store.

    Nice build James. Pretty rewarding building it yourself huh? Now....get us a ride report.
  • 10-17-2010
    allencb
    1 Attachment(s)
    Build Spec:
    Performance Access XCR 9r frame (19" size)
    Voodoo rigid 29er fork
    Weyless 90mm 7deg stem (parts bin)
    Control Tech Scandium riser bars (parts bin)
    Avid Juicy 7 brakes with 203mm and 180mm rotors
    XT/Blunt wheelset (purchased "lightly used" with the Karma tires)
    Karma Kenda 2.2 tires
    Selle San Marko Ponza saddle
    Easton seatpost (parts bin)
    Shimano 105SC derailleur from the parts bin (18 years old! soon 2b replaced with Ultegra 6600 derailleur)
    Shimano LX Rapidfire shifter
    Sram 970 11-32 9spd cassette
    Sram chain
    Middleburn 180mm crankset with 34t ring, BBG guard, and SPD clone pedals (stolen from my SS)
    Shimano UN-54 BB

    I have less invested in this bike than a Niner frame, what I originally planned to buy, would cost alone. Total weight is 26.4lbs and could go lighter with a better fork and wheelset. Apologies for the cruddy pic, it was a crop from a much larger image.

    Chris
  • 10-17-2010
    James12345
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by gmtx77
    I was wondering about that tape. Which department did you find it in? They tend to spread their tape displays around according to application in our local store.

    Nice build James. Pretty rewarding building it yourself huh? Now....get us a ride report.


    It was actually in the electrical section of Home Depot where you would find the electrical tape. Some call it self-sticking, but others may call it self-fusing. It is 3M Temflex 2155 Self-fusing Splicing Tape.

    It took a few hours for the adhesive to cure. After this point, it is very difficult to pull or unravel the tape job. Will have to carefully cut it off with a razor and carefully pull it apart when you need to replace it. But this stuff so far rawks, it conforms to minor changes in angles making wrapping your chainstay a cinch!

    Just wanted to give credit where it is due. I did not find this solution independently, but got ideas from postings on bikeforums.net

    Hope this helps!
  • 10-17-2010
    gregnash
    Nice builds guys... I am waiting for the 19" to come back into stock.
    If I can ask a favor, please post the specs of your bike when you post the pic. Also, I am curious as to everyone's feelings on their forks. I have seen a lot of Reba's and Tora's on these and wondering how people feel about them? Looking at picking up the RST M-29 fork as a base but if I can find a good deal on a Reba, Tora, or Fox from fleabay then I will pick that up. The 19" has been out of stock since the middle of Sept (was going to grab one for my bday but they were out) and now is completely gone from the site. I am wondering if they will be coming out with a redesigned frame or something around the end of the year?
  • 10-17-2010
    mtnbiker72
    Here is the latest on my XCL 9r, I'm giving some Alt bars a try due to continuing hand issues...I'll provide feedback on those as I get some time with them. I had to install new hydro line, it's orange because that was what was on clearance (well pink too).

  • 10-18-2010
    davidcondor
    9r coming in the mail tomorrow !!!
    a real added bonus of this frame is being to run 2.4 tires front and back. mega tire clearance.[/QUOTE]

    Dude, you just rocked my world right now. I have a 9r frame coming and I wasn't sure if it would fit the Ardent 2.4 that I am currently running front and back. Thank you for relieving my anxiety that I would have to settle for less!!

    To all you all weird-o's: I'm gonna have some pictures of an interestingly equipped 23" 9r in the not-too-distant future, so stay tuned!

    I love the *dingle* discussion - not something I have experimented with but find fascinating.
  • 10-18-2010
    davidcondor
    Damn, that's a good lookin' bike
    [QUOTE=bondiablo]I started with my new 2010 Access XCL 9.5 Slate

    Nice bike, and great location for the photos! I wish I could have gotten that slate color, but I got mine on sale so I won't complain. Your bike is way too clean! Now go get it dirty . . .
  • 10-18-2010
    davidcondor
    Dude, no apologies necessary. I like this photo the best out of all of them because is shows the bike in its true element. Beautiful, natural, peaceful, mossy woods.

    Chris[/QUOTE]
  • 10-18-2010
    davidcondor
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mtnbiker72
    Here is the latest on my XCL 9r, I'm giving some Alt bars a try due to continuing hand issues...I'll provide feedback on those as I get some time with them. I had to install new hydro line, it's orange because that was what was on clearance (well pink too).


    My man, as you may have found out: Alternative bars are what it's all about. I've been riding Titec Jones bars (45^ bend) for a couple years now, but I just got a set of Carnegie's carbon bars on my Fargo and I love them to bits. You're running the Mary's, is that right? I would recommend the Ragley Carnegie's if you want something a little wider and a little less bendy (25^).

    By the way; does anyone want to buy some On-One handlebars? I have some fleegle's and some midge's that are sitting around. The fleegles are great - really wide and nice 16^ bend. But now I have the carnegie's, so . . .

    Anyone with a Fargo or other 29er they want to set up with an off-road drop bar might be interested in the Midge's. Just wondering . . .
  • 10-18-2010
    mtnbiker72
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by davidcondor
    You're running the Mary's, is that right? I would recommend the Ragley Carnegie's if you want something a little wider and a little less bendy (25^).

    Close, Origin 8 Space Bar OR2 31.8 clamp
  • 10-20-2010
    Drevil
    Minez, taken with cruddy iPhone:

  • 10-20-2010
    davidcondor
    How's the Larry ?
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Drevil
    Minez, taken with cruddy iPhone:


    You are an inspiration to us all! I have been intrigued with the fat front for a while now, especially upon seeing how Jeff Jones has taken to it with his bikes. I am eager to learn what your impressions are . . . How does it compare to a rigid 29" front - or a suspended one for that matter? It seems to me that it's theoretically a happy medium between the two; a way to keep the rigid feel while increasing comfort and traction. Would you recommend it to the average trail rider, or does it make sense only in certain conditions?

    Thanks for sharing your unique 9r!
  • 10-20-2010
    MMcG
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Drevil
    Minez, taken with cruddy iPhone:



    Nicely done Drevil! :thumbsup:
  • 10-21-2010
    J_DiMiceli
    My Access 9.7. I guess she's technically bought and not built.

  • 10-21-2010
    Drevil
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by davidcondor
    You are an inspiration to us all! I have been intrigued with the fat front for a while now, especially upon seeing how Jeff Jones has taken to it with his bikes. I am eager to learn what your impressions are . . . How does it compare to a rigid 29" front - or a suspended one for that matter? It seems to me that it's theoretically a happy medium between the two; a way to keep the rigid feel while increasing comfort and traction. Would you recommend it to the average trail rider, or does it make sense only in certain conditions?

    Thanks for sharing your unique 9r!

    What you said above hits the mark:
    "...a way to keep the rigid feel while increasing comfort and traction."

    Compared to my other rigid 29ers with 29" tires, there's more traction, cush, bounce and weight. If going fast is your primary concern, stick with the regular 29" wheel. If you like rock crawling or staying afloat on soft stuff, get one.
  • 10-21-2010
    davidcondor
    Desert Dweller
    [QUOTE=J_DiMiceli]My Access 9.7. I guess she's technically bought and not built.

    No shame in that my friend! How long have you had 'er?

    Looks like you're in the Sonoran desert, yes? Reminds me of the treasure island trails I rode a couple winters ago when I was visiting my folks in Tucson. So fun! I dream sometimes of a good desert ride . . .
  • 10-21-2010
    J_DiMiceli
    [QUOTE=davidcondor]
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by J_DiMiceli
    My Access 9.7. I guess she's technically bought and not built.

    No shame in that my friend! How long have you had 'er?

    Looks like you're in the Sonoran desert, yes? Reminds me of the treasure island trails I rode a couple winters ago when I was visiting my folks in Tucson. So fun! I dream sometimes of a good desert ride . . .

    I've had the bike for about a month. That picture was taken out at Fantasy Island in Tucson. Desert riding is all I've known. I love it but I definitely want to get some other types of terrain under my belt.
  • 10-22-2010
    davidcondor
    Not Disneyland . . .
    I forgot it's called Fantasy Island. But anyway somehow I knew that was where the picture was taken, even though I've only been there once. The desert's in my blood though (I lived in Phoenix and Tucson for 25 years before moving to northern California - wasn't a mountain biker then). If you ever want to get some Redwood duff between your knobs, come on up to Arcata and find me at The Outdoor Store!
  • 10-22-2010
    Drevil
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Drevil
    What you said above hits the mark:
    "...a way to keep the rigid feel while increasing comfort and traction."

    Compared to my other rigid 29ers with 29" tires, there's more traction, cush, bounce and weight. If going fast is your primary concern, stick with the regular 29" wheel. If you like rock crawling or staying afloat on soft stuff, get one.

    Went on a ride today with wife and pal and got a chance to take a better pic of the bike:



    and an actiony shot:

  • 10-22-2010
    davidcondor
    That's what it's all about: boppin' off roots and havin' fun gettin' a little squirrely!
    By the way, I tried to copy you by applying reflective tape to strategic locations on my toptube, but it wouldn't stick 'cause it's like seven years old. gotta get some new reflective tape, cuz I'm just not down with the red logos. Gotta love the downtube logo, though!!!;)
  • 10-23-2010
    slower_than_u
    1 Attachment(s)
    Here is my Access 9r. This is my commuter/grocery getter/errand running/"do I have to go for a road ride?" bike. It is setup as 1x8 because thats what I had laying around. I will change up my gearing this winter from the 39x13-26 as the slightest tailwind has me spun out. It seems as if 41 or 42 is as big as I will be able to go and clear the chain stay and maintain a decent chainline. And I'll probably try an 11-25 cassette. Those are BB7's and a Redline CX fork. I have panniers that go on when I anticipate a larger cargo. Not much bling but it does what I want and it doesn't break!
  • 10-23-2010
    speed metal
    I bought a Access about 3 weeks ago. Used a couple discount card from Performance and got it for 92 dollars and some change. I'm 6' 4" and I talked to a Performance rep and they recommended the 23. When I go the frame out of the box I thought I was shipped a frame for Shaq. MAN it is big, I hope not to big. As soon as I get a fork I will find out. The thing is the bike I had before (Fisher Cobia) was a 19. Too small. Now I have a bike that maybe to big. A stem can get the fit closer. I hope the stand over isn't to tall that could get painful.:cryin:
  • 10-23-2010
    davidcondor
    Check out my new 9r . . .
    more pics soon . . .
  • 10-24-2010
    NH Mtbiker
    Build setup?
    I have my 19" Access frame that I got new for $90 hanging in the basement. I've been considering building this up or going with a new FS... but not sure which to do. I was really beaten up racing the VT 50 on my Caffeine 26" hardtail last month and vowed I would never go hardtail again. But looking at these pics and posts has me thinking different. I would probably only do a few races and would have it mostly for trail riding. I definitely want to go with ZRT wheels and either 1x10 or 2x10. Does anyone have positive feedback with using 1x10 or even 1x9 over a traditional double or triple setup?
  • 10-24-2010
    davidcondor
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NH Mtbiker
    I would probably only do a few races and would have it mostly for trail riding. I definitely want to go with ZRT wheels and either 1x10 or 2x10. Does anyone have positive feedback with using 1x10 or even 1x9 over a traditional double or triple setup?

    First of all, forget about a triple. Running a double set-up makes much more sense if you're doing trail riding on a 29er. You don't need that big ring unless you're spending a lot of time on the pavement. Beyond that, though, exactly which gears you should run will come down to the type of terrain you ride and your own preferences. If the terrain is rolling with short climbs, a 1x9 would work great. I'm just not willing to give up the granny myself. I ride a lot of steep terrain, and I like to spin pretty fast, so I run a 20/32t double and a 12-36 9speed cassette. My medium cage xtr rear derailleur works great with this gearing and keeps things snappy. Most of the new 10 speed doubles run larger chainrings, like a 28/39 set up, so consider whether or not this makes sense for you.
  • 02-19-2011
    slocaus
    I know, holy thread resurrection batman. :rolleyes:

    I am seriously considering one of these so I have a bike I like to ride instead of one that is a struggle climbing...... Unemployed and money is squeaky tight, but I can sell something and swing it.

    Searched here and great Googly-moogly, finding no answers to the BB height of the 21 with a 100mm fork.

    Can anyone / everyone measure for me? ;)
    Please post the fork and the tires when measured.

    TIA
  • 02-19-2011
    go-pirates
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by slocaus
    I know, holy thread resurrection batman. :rolleyes:

    I am seriously considering one of these so I have a bike I like to ride instead of one that is a struggle climbing...... Unemployed and money is squeaky tight, but I can sell something and swing it.

    Searched here and great Googly-moogly, finding no answers to the BB height of the 21 with a 100mm fork.

    Can anyone / everyone measure for me? ;)
    Please post the fork and the tires when measured.TIA

    12" BB ht (measured from center of BB to ground) on a 21" w/ Tora SL 100mm, and 2.2 Saguaros. Rides nicely.
  • 02-19-2011
    zenkem
    Finished my build 'bout a month ago and put 'bout 100 miles on her since. This bike has transformed me into a full fledged 29er rider...my 26" bike hasn't left the garage since. I'm in the process of going tubeless with ZTR Flow's...will post pic's soon...

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  • 02-19-2011
    Clones123
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by speed metal
    I'm 6' 4" and I talked to a Performance rep and they recommended the 23. When I go the frame out of the box I thought I was shipped a frame for Shaq. MAN it is big, I hope not to big. As soon as I get a fork I will find out. The thing is the bike I had before (Fisher Cobia) was a 19. Too small. Now I have a bike that maybe to big. A stem can get the fit closer. I hope the stand over isn't to tall that could get painful.:cryin:

    I've been burned twice before with bikes that didn't have enough stand-over (but cockpit length felt great). I've vowed never to make that mistake again - better too short of a cockpit which I can change with a new stem and bars. Can't shorten a frame. I know this is contrary to popular wisdom (saying that cockpit length is more important than stand-over). I'm just a shade under 6'2" and my 19-inch XCL 9r fits great though I'm running a longish 110mm stem.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NH Mtbiker
    Does anyone have positive feedback with using 1x10 or even 1x9 over a traditional double or triple setup?

    I'm been extremely pleased with the simplicity and reliability of running 1x9 with a Paul Love Components Chain Keeper (35mm seat post on the XCL 9r). I've got the stock 32t front and 11-32t rear but I think I'd prefer a 30t front and 11-34t rear. Regarding 1x10, I'm a little put off by how flexible (sideways) 10-speed chains are. Plus, older 9-speed parts are cheaper and easier to find deals on. My two cents.
  • 02-21-2011
    slocaus
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by go-pirates
    12" BB ht (measured from center of BB to ground) on a 21" w/ Tora SL 100mm, and 2.2 Saguaros. Rides nicely.

    Thanks! Thinking that seems a little low, just to clarify, you mean the center of the bottom bracket axle to the ground, right?

    My calculations with the BB drop specs are that it should be around 12.5 give or take a quarter inch, but I like a lower BB for climbing, do I am fine if it is really 12 inches.

    Anyone else? Everyone must be out playing with the holiday huh? :)
  • 02-21-2011
    davidcondor
    yes, it really is twelve inches . . .
    I just whipped out my 9r and grabbed the tape measure and yes, it is 12 inches from center to ground. Actually, 11+7/8" to be exact. Granted, I'm running a rigid fork (Carver carbon, sus. corrected) and Maxxis Ardent 2.4 tires. For what it's worth. I love the low bb, even with my 185mm cranks.

    I just got out for an epic ride through the redwoods yesterday, and the bike rode like a stallion. West ridge trail, Prairie Creek state park, Humboldt County, California.
  • 02-21-2011
    TwoNin9r
    In the car now but later ill combine my access thread with this one.
  • 02-21-2011
    go-pirates
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by slocaus
    Thanks! Thinking that seems a little low, just to clarify, you mean the center of the bottom bracket axle to the ground, right?

    My calculations with the BB drop specs are that it should be around 12.5 give or take a quarter inch, but I like a lower BB for climbing, do I am fine if it is really 12 inches.

    Anyone else? Everyone must be out playing with the holiday huh? :)

    Yep, center of BB axle is what I meant. I think it handles great, and pedal strikes have been a non-issue for me.
  • 02-21-2011
    TwoNin9r
    here's my thread i started. OP if you want add this link to your first post, i'll do the same over there so if anyone finds either thread they have a link to the other http://forums.mtbr.com/29er-bikes/access-9r-pictures-please-687194.html
  • 03-09-2011
    Clones123
    Here's my 2010 Access XCL 9r 9.5. It’s ridiculous how few original parts I have left on it - I should have just bought a 9.7 model to begin with. Over the past year I’ve upgraded every component except the wheelset, tires, rear shifter/derailleur, and frame. You’d almost think I had a “problem” (especially if “you” is my wife):
    • Headset: FSA Orbit ZS-3
    • Pedals: Forté Convert Platform pedal
    • Handlebar: TruVativ Stylo 680mm (26.75in), 20mm rise
    • Stem: TruVativ Stylo Race 110mm with 31.8 clamp
    • Grips: Ergon GC2-L
    • Saddle: WTB Speed V Comp
    • Fork: RST M-29 100mm air fork
    • Brakes: Shimano XT M775 with 203/180mm F/R rotors
    • 1x9 conv: Paul Love Components Chain Keeper (35mm)
    • Crankset: Shimano Deore M590 Hollowtech II with external BB (32T middle ring only)








  • 03-09-2011
    TwoNin9r
    All mine needs is a fork and its trail time!
  • 03-09-2011
    zukrider
    what are the pinions on running a rigid fork with this frame? im 260#. want a rigid 29er dingle speed with rack for bike packing. any thoughts?
  • 03-09-2011
    Traktor
    1 Attachment(s)
    Here's mine
    It started out with having an extra fork and needing something to do with it.
  • 03-11-2011
    BigVaz
    Are the logo's on these frames stickers or are they in the paint? Pretty sure im sold on buying one.
  • 03-11-2011
    Clones123
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BigVaz
    Are the logo's on these frames stickers or are they in the paint? Pretty sure im sold on buying one.

    Part of the powercoating. If you're buying a frame wait until a time when they're on sale for $99.
  • 03-11-2011
    BigVaz
    How often do they go on sale? Im pretty antsy to pick one up & right now it would be $179.99... However $99.99 sounds a lot better! lol
  • 03-11-2011
    jeffj
    Not quite sure why they have the price jacked to the sky like they do compared to where it has been for a long time. Last time I checked, they only have the 21" and 23" frames (if you want a frame only) in stock.
    ==================
    I think they are supposed to be coming out with a newer model soon, but from what I could glean from the pics posted a while back, it looked a lot like the same frame with a different paint scheme.
  • 03-11-2011
    Clones123
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by BigVaz
    How often do they go on sale? Im pretty antsy to pick one up & right now it would be $179.99... However $99.99 sounds a lot better! lol

    How often? At least several times a year. If you're antsy, then I'd just do it now and keep tabs on the price. You've got 90-days for them to honor a low-price guaranty when it does go on sale:

    100% Satisfaction Guarantee & Low Price Promise
    http://www.performancebike.com/bikes...1_-1_Guarantee

    It'd be pretty cool to have the frame you want now AND also later get the price you wanted. For instance, instead of me buying a XCL 9.5 for $600 last year, I should have just bought the 9.7 for $999 and then a month later price-matched to the sale price of $800. I hadn't thought it through at the time though. Instead, over time, I've upgraded my bike to be a little better than the 9.7 but it cost me $1,500 total to do it.
  • 03-11-2011
    BigVaz
    Im looking at just the 21" frame only.

    Originally I was going to purchase a complete bike with a budget around $1,100ish, but figured building from scratch with the exact components I want would be more benificial. Plus I like building stuff,,
  • 03-11-2011
    waterdude
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Clones123
    How often? At least several times a year. If you're antsy, then I'd just do it now and keep tabs on the price. You've got 90-days for them to honor a low-price guaranty when it does go on sale:

    100% Satisfaction Guarantee & Low Price Promise
    http://www.performancebike.com/bikes...1_-1_Guarantee

    It'd be pretty cool to have the frame you want now AND also later get the price you wanted. For instance, instead of me buying a XCL 9.5 for $600 last year, I should have just bought the 9.7 for $999 and then a month later price-matched to the sale price of $800. I hadn't thought it through at the time though. Instead, over time, I've upgraded my bike to be a little better than the 9.7 but it cost me $1,500 total to do it.

    Clones, you just got me back $200! I didn't realize they would price match themselves. Thanks for the link.:thumbsup:
  • 04-19-2011
    TwoNin9r
    reviving this one! any new pictures! need some inspiration to finish up mine, all it needs is a fork, some flat black spray paint (maybe) and a set of pedals. inspire me please.
  • 04-19-2011
    Natedogz
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by mtnbiker72
    I found 100 was too much as well...I went to 80 and it rides just right (note, I have a 39mm offset fork)

    Been riding the whee out of my Access 9.7, just trimmed my bars down to 26" (660mm) and love it. Also ditched the big ring for a bashguard running 2x9.

    Was looking at this bike and my Mary last night...thinkin about dropping my Tora to 80mm. What do you like better about 80mm vs 10mm on this bike? Did you raise bars to compensate? How does it affect the ride and handling?

    FYI, I weigh 195 but run only 115psi in the fork and really like it this way for more sag, it handles better and tracks more predictably in the rough. I think because it has more down travel to drop into the holes, not just compress for the bumps.
  • 04-20-2011
    TwoNin9r
    think i'm going 100 on mine. probably manitou tower
  • 04-20-2011
    jeffj
    If you ride a lot of slower, really tight, twisty, 'switchback-ish' type stuff, I would consider an 80mm travel fork, but if you ride higher speed, more open terrain, the 100mm travel fork I am running kicks butt and it's fine on steep climbs (and we've got 'em around here too).
  • 04-20-2011
    TwoNin9r
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by jeffj
    If you ride a lot of slower, really tight, twisty, 'switchback-ish' type stuff, I would consider an 80mm travel fork, but if you ride higher speed, more open terrain, the 100mm travel fork I am running kicks butt and it's fine on steep climbs (and we've got 'em around here too).

    yeah it's weird because here in south florida we don't have anything vast, it's almost all tight and switch-backy, but the thing is that it's all roots and rocks and weird drops so the 100 helps. (rockin 120 on the rumblefish!) all the forks i'm looking at are adjustable from 80 so i may try both setups.
  • 04-20-2011
    Clones123
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by 4x4runner
    - '11 GF Rumblefish One
    - Access 9r (build in progress).

    Just curious - What is it about your 2011 Rumblefish 1 that leave's you wanting to build a 29er HT? I've got a Access 9r myself and, seems to me, that if I got a Rumblefish I'd be pretty stoked to have that instead. On the other hand, I've only ever taken various full squish bikes for short, 20-min trail demos so maybe I'm not fully appreciating what I have already.

    Just received a 2010 Easton Haven Disc 29er UST wheelset tonight for under $400. Woot!
  • 04-20-2011
    Nocturnus
    I wish they had more sizes in stock.. I need something along the lines of a 19" and they site only has like 21" and 23"
  • 04-20-2011
    TwoNin9r
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Clones123
    Just curious - What is it about your 2011 Rumblefish 1 that leave's you wanting to build a 29er HT? I've got a Access 9r myself and, seems to me, that if I got a Rumblefish I'd be pretty stoked to have that instead. On the other hand, I've only ever taken various full squish bikes for short, 20-min trail demos so maybe I'm not fully appreciating what I have already.

    Just received a 2010 Easton Haven Disc 29er UST wheelset tonight for under $400. Woot!

    the RF is a lot of bike for some of the parks i ride... here are a ocuple reasons

    -had almost a whole bike laying around (just needed frame and fork)
    -want a singlespeed (will be set up for SS and 1x9)
    -want something to put platfporms on and use here and there as a commuter while still being able to MTB with it
    -wanted another bike for the 10 or so people i know that want to "try" MTB
    -HT's CLIMB! puts you closer to the trail, FS riding makes me lazy, a lot of "sit and roll over"

    so, since i had all components minus a frame and fork, and i found this frame for $99, and the frame has awesome reviews, i couldn't resist.
  • 05-24-2011
    OneBadWagon


    Reba
    Thomson post
    Bontrager RL stem/bars
    Juicy 7 brakes
    XT cranks w/ 36t front ring
    Specialized Indie xc seat
    Stock specialized rear wheel

    After the first ride, I don't love it but I definitely don't hate it. Still have some fine tuning to do, and trying to get used to riding gears again after a long term hiatuSS.
  • 05-24-2011
    TwoNin9r
    i'll be posting up next week, ordered my fork!
  • 05-24-2011
    NUTT
    I'm really considering building up one of these for a neighborhood beater w/ platforms & a rigid fork.

    I've got almost everything I need to do it with the exception of the frame and fork.
  • 05-24-2011
    glenzx
    Economy SS Racer
    I bought the frame on blowout last year - on sale for $99 plus a 10% discount. For the money, it's a great deal. Throw in a friends old REBA, some choice parts from my old XC racer, and presto! Nice ride. FWIW I initially threw a 465 axle-to-crown rigid fork on and the handling was terrible, and the BB clearance too low, AND the rear end would not stick all that well. The longer squishy fork cured all those ailments, and helps these old-guy hands. I had a lot of parts ready-to-go from my trusty old Yeti ASR-sl, and recycled my CK hubs by building the wheels - Stans Crest hoops, DB spokes, and alloy nipples. Light, snappy wheels go a long way! Note the "road cranks" - a set of FSA compact cranks and a dedicated SS 34t chain-ring. Typical gearing is 34 X 18 or 34 X 19 on steeper terrain.

  • 05-25-2011
    TwoNin9r
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by glenzx
    I bought the frame on blowout last year - on sale for $99 plus a 10% discount. For the money, it's a great deal. Throw in a friends old REBA, some choice parts from my old XC racer, and presto! Nice ride. FWIW I initially threw a 465 axle-to-crown rigid fork on and the handling was terrible, and the BB clearance too low, AND the rear end would not stick all that well. The longer squishy fork cured all those ailments, and helps these old-guy hands. I had a lot of parts ready-to-go from my trusty old Yeti ASR-sl, and recycled my CK hubs by building the wheels - Stans Crest hoops, DB spokes, and alloy nipples. Light, snappy wheels go a long way! Note the "road cranks" - a set of FSA compact cranks and a dedicated SS 34t chain-ring. Typical gearing is 34 X 18 or 34 X 19 on steeper terrain.


    this post answered so many of my questions. i just bought a rigid fork for mine so that lets me know what to expect. also wanted to cinsider running SS without a tensioner so this gives me a starting point to figure out the "magic ratio" so to speak. any pictures of the chain side?
  • 05-25-2011
    NUTT
    It looks like Performance is having a Memorial Day sale and everything is 15% off through Monday, 5/30.

    That gets the Access 29er frame down to $101.99.

    I think I'm buying one.
  • 05-25-2011
    zenkem
    Looking good guys!!! Here's mine with the Stans Fows...

  • 05-25-2011
    NUTT
    Okay... I just ordered a 21" frame and a Soul Cycles rigid fork (100mm corrected).

    I'm actually building this because I have a set of Schwalbe Big Apples laying around and I want a neighborhood beater bike.

    In the parts bin I have:
    • Tires (a few sets of assorted tires, including the Big Apples)
    • Wheels
    • 8 speed derailleur, shifter & cassette (7/8 Speed Shimano Alivio)
    • 9 speed cassette SRAM 950, nearly new (no shifter or derailleur)
    • F & R brake levers
    • Front Avid BB5
    • A few different saddles
    • A few different sets of grips
    • Crap plastic platforms

    What I need:
    • Bar & Stem
    • Seatpost
    • Single speed crank (for 1x8 setup)
    • 8 speed chain
    • New brake cable & housing

    Optional (if I can find them dirt cheap)
    • 9 speed shifter, derailleur & chain
    • Rear brake (I'll eventually upgrade my Specialized and carry the BB5 from that to this)
    • Nicer headset
    • Decent metal platforms, maybe Power Grips


    If I can play my eBay, Craigslist & Classified cards right I'll be able to build this thing for under $350 including frame & fork.
  • 05-25-2011
    zenkem
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NUTT


    What I need:
    [*]Nicer headset


    If I can play my eBay, Craigslist & Classified cards right I'll be able to build this thing for under $350 including frame & fork.

    I found a WTB Inner Peace Headset...very nice headset BTW...on chainlove for 15.99. Good Luck and hope you have fun with the build...I know I did...
  • 05-25-2011
    boomn
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by NUTT
    Okay... I just ordered a 21" frame and a Soul Cycles rigid fork (100mm corrected).

    I'm actually building this because I have a set of Schwalbe Big Apples laying around and I want a neighborhood beater bike.

    In the parts bin I have:
    • Tires (a few sets of assorted tires, including the Big Apples)
    • Wheels
    • 8 speed derailleur, shifter & cassette
    • 9 speed cassette (no shifter or derailleur)
    • F & R brake levers
    • Front Avid BB5
    • A few different saddles
    • A few different sets of grips
    • Crap plastic platforms

    What I need:
    • Bar & Stem
    • Seatpost
    • Single speed crank (for 1x8 setup)
    • 8 speed chain
    • New brake cable & housing

    Optional (if I can find them dirt cheap)
    • 9 speed shifter, derailleur & chain
    • Rear brake (I'll eventually upgrade my Specialized and carry the BB5 from that to this)
    • Nicer headset
    • Decent metal platforms, maybe Power Grips


    If I can play my eBay, Craigslist & Classified cards right I'll be able to build this thing for under $350 including frame & fork.

    8 and 9 speed derailleurs are the same thing. All you should need is a new shifter
  • 05-25-2011
    NUTT
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by boomn
    8 and 9 speed derailleurs are the same thing. All you should need is a new shifter

    This one is a 2008 Shimano Alivio RD-M410.

    I'm pretty sure it is old & crappy enough that it is 7/8 speed only. At least that is what the Shimano website says.

    And honestly, it is garbage. If I could find a new or take-off SRAM X7 or X9 rear shifter & derailleur set for $50 or so I'll be much happier.