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    Quote Originally Posted by davidcondor
    You are an inspiration to us all! I have been intrigued with the fat front for a while now, especially upon seeing how Jeff Jones has taken to it with his bikes. I am eager to learn what your impressions are . . . How does it compare to a rigid 29" front - or a suspended one for that matter? It seems to me that it's theoretically a happy medium between the two; a way to keep the rigid feel while increasing comfort and traction. Would you recommend it to the average trail rider, or does it make sense only in certain conditions?

    Thanks for sharing your unique 9r!
    What you said above hits the mark:
    "...a way to keep the rigid feel while increasing comfort and traction."

    Compared to my other rigid 29ers with 29" tires, there's more traction, cush, bounce and weight. If going fast is your primary concern, stick with the regular 29" wheel. If you like rock crawling or staying afloat on soft stuff, get one.
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    Desert Dweller

    [QUOTE=J_DiMiceli]My Access 9.7. I guess she's technically bought and not built.

    No shame in that my friend! How long have you had 'er?

    Looks like you're in the Sonoran desert, yes? Reminds me of the treasure island trails I rode a couple winters ago when I was visiting my folks in Tucson. So fun! I dream sometimes of a good desert ride . . .

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    [QUOTE=davidcondor]
    Quote Originally Posted by J_DiMiceli
    My Access 9.7. I guess she's technically bought and not built.

    No shame in that my friend! How long have you had 'er?

    Looks like you're in the Sonoran desert, yes? Reminds me of the treasure island trails I rode a couple winters ago when I was visiting my folks in Tucson. So fun! I dream sometimes of a good desert ride . . .
    I've had the bike for about a month. That picture was taken out at Fantasy Island in Tucson. Desert riding is all I've known. I love it but I definitely want to get some other types of terrain under my belt.

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    Not Disneyland . . .

    I forgot it's called Fantasy Island. But anyway somehow I knew that was where the picture was taken, even though I've only been there once. The desert's in my blood though (I lived in Phoenix and Tucson for 25 years before moving to northern California - wasn't a mountain biker then). If you ever want to get some Redwood duff between your knobs, come on up to Arcata and find me at The Outdoor Store!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drevil
    What you said above hits the mark:
    "...a way to keep the rigid feel while increasing comfort and traction."

    Compared to my other rigid 29ers with 29" tires, there's more traction, cush, bounce and weight. If going fast is your primary concern, stick with the regular 29" wheel. If you like rock crawling or staying afloat on soft stuff, get one.
    Went on a ride today with wife and pal and got a chance to take a better pic of the bike:



    and an actiony shot:

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    That's what it's all about: boppin' off roots and havin' fun gettin' a little squirrely!
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    Here is my Access 9r. This is my commuter/grocery getter/errand running/"do I have to go for a road ride?" bike. It is setup as 1x8 because thats what I had laying around. I will change up my gearing this winter from the 39x13-26 as the slightest tailwind has me spun out. It seems as if 41 or 42 is as big as I will be able to go and clear the chain stay and maintain a decent chainline. And I'll probably try an 11-25 cassette. Those are BB7's and a Redline CX fork. I have panniers that go on when I anticipate a larger cargo. Not much bling but it does what I want and it doesn't break!
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    I bought a Access about 3 weeks ago. Used a couple discount card from Performance and got it for 92 dollars and some change. I'm 6' 4" and I talked to a Performance rep and they recommended the 23. When I go the frame out of the box I thought I was shipped a frame for Shaq. MAN it is big, I hope not to big. As soon as I get a fork I will find out. The thing is the bike I had before (Fisher Cobia) was a 19. Too small. Now I have a bike that maybe to big. A stem can get the fit closer. I hope the stand over isn't to tall that could get painful.
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    Check out my new 9r . . .

    more pics soon . . .
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    Build setup?

    I have my 19" Access frame that I got new for $90 hanging in the basement. I've been considering building this up or going with a new FS... but not sure which to do. I was really beaten up racing the VT 50 on my Caffeine 26" hardtail last month and vowed I would never go hardtail again. But looking at these pics and posts has me thinking different. I would probably only do a few races and would have it mostly for trail riding. I definitely want to go with ZRT wheels and either 1x10 or 2x10. Does anyone have positive feedback with using 1x10 or even 1x9 over a traditional double or triple setup?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NH Mtbiker
    I would probably only do a few races and would have it mostly for trail riding. I definitely want to go with ZRT wheels and either 1x10 or 2x10. Does anyone have positive feedback with using 1x10 or even 1x9 over a traditional double or triple setup?
    First of all, forget about a triple. Running a double set-up makes much more sense if you're doing trail riding on a 29er. You don't need that big ring unless you're spending a lot of time on the pavement. Beyond that, though, exactly which gears you should run will come down to the type of terrain you ride and your own preferences. If the terrain is rolling with short climbs, a 1x9 would work great. I'm just not willing to give up the granny myself. I ride a lot of steep terrain, and I like to spin pretty fast, so I run a 20/32t double and a 12-36 9speed cassette. My medium cage xtr rear derailleur works great with this gearing and keeps things snappy. Most of the new 10 speed doubles run larger chainrings, like a 28/39 set up, so consider whether or not this makes sense for you.

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    I know, holy thread resurrection batman.

    I am seriously considering one of these so I have a bike I like to ride instead of one that is a struggle climbing...... Unemployed and money is squeaky tight, but I can sell something and swing it.

    Searched here and great Googly-moogly, finding no answers to the BB height of the 21 with a 100mm fork.

    Can anyone / everyone measure for me?
    Please post the fork and the tires when measured.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slocaus
    I know, holy thread resurrection batman.

    I am seriously considering one of these so I have a bike I like to ride instead of one that is a struggle climbing...... Unemployed and money is squeaky tight, but I can sell something and swing it.

    Searched here and great Googly-moogly, finding no answers to the BB height of the 21 with a 100mm fork.

    Can anyone / everyone measure for me?
    Please post the fork and the tires when measured.TIA
    12" BB ht (measured from center of BB to ground) on a 21" w/ Tora SL 100mm, and 2.2 Saguaros. Rides nicely.
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    Finished my build 'bout a month ago and put 'bout 100 miles on her since. This bike has transformed me into a full fledged 29er rider...my 26" bike hasn't left the garage since. I'm in the process of going tubeless with ZTR Flow's...will post pic's soon...

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    Quote Originally Posted by speed metal
    I'm 6' 4" and I talked to a Performance rep and they recommended the 23. When I go the frame out of the box I thought I was shipped a frame for Shaq. MAN it is big, I hope not to big. As soon as I get a fork I will find out. The thing is the bike I had before (Fisher Cobia) was a 19. Too small. Now I have a bike that maybe to big. A stem can get the fit closer. I hope the stand over isn't to tall that could get painful.
    I've been burned twice before with bikes that didn't have enough stand-over (but cockpit length felt great). I've vowed never to make that mistake again - better too short of a cockpit which I can change with a new stem and bars. Can't shorten a frame. I know this is contrary to popular wisdom (saying that cockpit length is more important than stand-over). I'm just a shade under 6'2" and my 19-inch XCL 9r fits great though I'm running a longish 110mm stem.

    Quote Originally Posted by NH Mtbiker
    Does anyone have positive feedback with using 1x10 or even 1x9 over a traditional double or triple setup?
    I'm been extremely pleased with the simplicity and reliability of running 1x9 with a Paul Love Components Chain Keeper (35mm seat post on the XCL 9r). I've got the stock 32t front and 11-32t rear but I think I'd prefer a 30t front and 11-34t rear. Regarding 1x10, I'm a little put off by how flexible (sideways) 10-speed chains are. Plus, older 9-speed parts are cheaper and easier to find deals on. My two cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by go-pirates
    12" BB ht (measured from center of BB to ground) on a 21" w/ Tora SL 100mm, and 2.2 Saguaros. Rides nicely.
    Thanks! Thinking that seems a little low, just to clarify, you mean the center of the bottom bracket axle to the ground, right?

    My calculations with the BB drop specs are that it should be around 12.5 give or take a quarter inch, but I like a lower BB for climbing, do I am fine if it is really 12 inches.

    Anyone else? Everyone must be out playing with the holiday huh?
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    yes, it really is twelve inches . . .

    I just whipped out my 9r and grabbed the tape measure and yes, it is 12 inches from center to ground. Actually, 11+7/8" to be exact. Granted, I'm running a rigid fork (Carver carbon, sus. corrected) and Maxxis Ardent 2.4 tires. For what it's worth. I love the low bb, even with my 185mm cranks.

    I just got out for an epic ride through the redwoods yesterday, and the bike rode like a stallion. West ridge trail, Prairie Creek state park, Humboldt County, California.

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    In the car now but later ill combine my access thread with this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slocaus
    Thanks! Thinking that seems a little low, just to clarify, you mean the center of the bottom bracket axle to the ground, right?

    My calculations with the BB drop specs are that it should be around 12.5 give or take a quarter inch, but I like a lower BB for climbing, do I am fine if it is really 12 inches.

    Anyone else? Everyone must be out playing with the holiday huh?
    Yep, center of BB axle is what I meant. I think it handles great, and pedal strikes have been a non-issue for me.
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    here's my thread i started. OP if you want add this link to your first post, i'll do the same over there so if anyone finds either thread they have a link to the other access 9r pictures please!

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    Here's my 2010 Access XCL 9r 9.5. It’s ridiculous how few original parts I have left on it - I should have just bought a 9.7 model to begin with. Over the past year I’ve upgraded every component except the wheelset, tires, rear shifter/derailleur, and frame. You’d almost think I had a “problem” (especially if “you” is my wife):
    • Headset: FSA Orbit ZS-3
    • Pedals: Forté Convert Platform pedal
    • Handlebar: TruVativ Stylo 680mm (26.75in), 20mm rise
    • Stem: TruVativ Stylo Race 110mm with 31.8 clamp
    • Grips: Ergon GC2-L
    • Saddle: WTB Speed V Comp
    • Fork: RST M-29 100mm air fork
    • Brakes: Shimano XT M775 with 203/180mm F/R rotors
    • 1x9 conv: Paul Love Components Chain Keeper (35mm)
    • Crankset: Shimano Deore M590 Hollowtech II with external BB (32T middle ring only)








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    All mine needs is a fork and its trail time!

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    what are the pinions on running a rigid fork with this frame? im 260#. want a rigid 29er dingle speed with rack for bike packing. any thoughts?

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    Here's mine

    It started out with having an extra fork and needing something to do with it.
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    Are the logo's on these frames stickers or are they in the paint? Pretty sure im sold on buying one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigVaz
    Are the logo's on these frames stickers or are they in the paint? Pretty sure im sold on buying one.
    Part of the powercoating. If you're buying a frame wait until a time when they're on sale for $99.

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    How often do they go on sale? Im pretty antsy to pick one up & right now it would be $179.99... However $99.99 sounds a lot better! lol

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    Not quite sure why they have the price jacked to the sky like they do compared to where it has been for a long time. Last time I checked, they only have the 21" and 23" frames (if you want a frame only) in stock.
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    I think they are supposed to be coming out with a newer model soon, but from what I could glean from the pics posted a while back, it looked a lot like the same frame with a different paint scheme.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigVaz
    How often do they go on sale? Im pretty antsy to pick one up & right now it would be $179.99... However $99.99 sounds a lot better! lol
    How often? At least several times a year. If you're antsy, then I'd just do it now and keep tabs on the price. You've got 90-days for them to honor a low-price guaranty when it does go on sale:

    100% Satisfaction Guarantee & Low Price Promise
    http://www.performancebike.com/bikes...1_-1_Guarantee

    It'd be pretty cool to have the frame you want now AND also later get the price you wanted. For instance, instead of me buying a XCL 9.5 for $600 last year, I should have just bought the 9.7 for $999 and then a month later price-matched to the sale price of $800. I hadn't thought it through at the time though. Instead, over time, I've upgraded my bike to be a little better than the 9.7 but it cost me $1,500 total to do it.

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    Im looking at just the 21" frame only.

    Originally I was going to purchase a complete bike with a budget around $1,100ish, but figured building from scratch with the exact components I want would be more benificial. Plus I like building stuff,,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clones123
    How often? At least several times a year. If you're antsy, then I'd just do it now and keep tabs on the price. You've got 90-days for them to honor a low-price guaranty when it does go on sale:

    100% Satisfaction Guarantee & Low Price Promise
    http://www.performancebike.com/bikes...1_-1_Guarantee

    It'd be pretty cool to have the frame you want now AND also later get the price you wanted. For instance, instead of me buying a XCL 9.5 for $600 last year, I should have just bought the 9.7 for $999 and then a month later price-matched to the sale price of $800. I hadn't thought it through at the time though. Instead, over time, I've upgraded my bike to be a little better than the 9.7 but it cost me $1,500 total to do it.
    Clones, you just got me back $200! I didn't realize they would price match themselves. Thanks for the link.
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    reviving this one! any new pictures! need some inspiration to finish up mine, all it needs is a fork, some flat black spray paint (maybe) and a set of pedals. inspire me please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker72
    I found 100 was too much as well...I went to 80 and it rides just right (note, I have a 39mm offset fork)
    Been riding the whee out of my Access 9.7, just trimmed my bars down to 26" (660mm) and love it. Also ditched the big ring for a bashguard running 2x9.

    Was looking at this bike and my Mary last night...thinkin about dropping my Tora to 80mm. What do you like better about 80mm vs 10mm on this bike? Did you raise bars to compensate? How does it affect the ride and handling?

    FYI, I weigh 195 but run only 115psi in the fork and really like it this way for more sag, it handles better and tracks more predictably in the rough. I think because it has more down travel to drop into the holes, not just compress for the bumps.
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    think i'm going 100 on mine. probably manitou tower

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    If you ride a lot of slower, really tight, twisty, 'switchback-ish' type stuff, I would consider an 80mm travel fork, but if you ride higher speed, more open terrain, the 100mm travel fork I am running kicks butt and it's fine on steep climbs (and we've got 'em around here too).

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    Quote Originally Posted by jeffj
    If you ride a lot of slower, really tight, twisty, 'switchback-ish' type stuff, I would consider an 80mm travel fork, but if you ride higher speed, more open terrain, the 100mm travel fork I am running kicks butt and it's fine on steep climbs (and we've got 'em around here too).
    yeah it's weird because here in south florida we don't have anything vast, it's almost all tight and switch-backy, but the thing is that it's all roots and rocks and weird drops so the 100 helps. (rockin 120 on the rumblefish!) all the forks i'm looking at are adjustable from 80 so i may try both setups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 4x4runner
    - '11 GF Rumblefish One
    - Access 9r (build in progress).
    Just curious - What is it about your 2011 Rumblefish 1 that leave's you wanting to build a 29er HT? I've got a Access 9r myself and, seems to me, that if I got a Rumblefish I'd be pretty stoked to have that instead. On the other hand, I've only ever taken various full squish bikes for short, 20-min trail demos so maybe I'm not fully appreciating what I have already.

    Just received a 2010 Easton Haven Disc 29er UST wheelset tonight for under $400. Woot!
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    I wish they had more sizes in stock.. I need something along the lines of a 19" and they site only has like 21" and 23"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clones123
    Just curious - What is it about your 2011 Rumblefish 1 that leave's you wanting to build a 29er HT? I've got a Access 9r myself and, seems to me, that if I got a Rumblefish I'd be pretty stoked to have that instead. On the other hand, I've only ever taken various full squish bikes for short, 20-min trail demos so maybe I'm not fully appreciating what I have already.

    Just received a 2010 Easton Haven Disc 29er UST wheelset tonight for under $400. Woot!
    the RF is a lot of bike for some of the parks i ride... here are a ocuple reasons

    -had almost a whole bike laying around (just needed frame and fork)
    -want a singlespeed (will be set up for SS and 1x9)
    -want something to put platfporms on and use here and there as a commuter while still being able to MTB with it
    -wanted another bike for the 10 or so people i know that want to "try" MTB
    -HT's CLIMB! puts you closer to the trail, FS riding makes me lazy, a lot of "sit and roll over"

    so, since i had all components minus a frame and fork, and i found this frame for $99, and the frame has awesome reviews, i couldn't resist.

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    Stock specialized rear wheel

    After the first ride, I don't love it but I definitely don't hate it. Still have some fine tuning to do, and trying to get used to riding gears again after a long term hiatuSS.

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    i'll be posting up next week, ordered my fork!

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    I'm really considering building up one of these for a neighborhood beater w/ platforms & a rigid fork.

    I've got almost everything I need to do it with the exception of the frame and fork.
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    Economy SS Racer

    I bought the frame on blowout last year - on sale for $99 plus a 10% discount. For the money, it's a great deal. Throw in a friends old REBA, some choice parts from my old XC racer, and presto! Nice ride. FWIW I initially threw a 465 axle-to-crown rigid fork on and the handling was terrible, and the BB clearance too low, AND the rear end would not stick all that well. The longer squishy fork cured all those ailments, and helps these old-guy hands. I had a lot of parts ready-to-go from my trusty old Yeti ASR-sl, and recycled my CK hubs by building the wheels - Stans Crest hoops, DB spokes, and alloy nipples. Light, snappy wheels go a long way! Note the "road cranks" - a set of FSA compact cranks and a dedicated SS 34t chain-ring. Typical gearing is 34 X 18 or 34 X 19 on steeper terrain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by glenzx
    I bought the frame on blowout last year - on sale for $99 plus a 10% discount. For the money, it's a great deal. Throw in a friends old REBA, some choice parts from my old XC racer, and presto! Nice ride. FWIW I initially threw a 465 axle-to-crown rigid fork on and the handling was terrible, and the BB clearance too low, AND the rear end would not stick all that well. The longer squishy fork cured all those ailments, and helps these old-guy hands. I had a lot of parts ready-to-go from my trusty old Yeti ASR-sl, and recycled my CK hubs by building the wheels - Stans Crest hoops, DB spokes, and alloy nipples. Light, snappy wheels go a long way! Note the "road cranks" - a set of FSA compact cranks and a dedicated SS 34t chain-ring. Typical gearing is 34 X 18 or 34 X 19 on steeper terrain.

    this post answered so many of my questions. i just bought a rigid fork for mine so that lets me know what to expect. also wanted to cinsider running SS without a tensioner so this gives me a starting point to figure out the "magic ratio" so to speak. any pictures of the chain side?

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    It looks like Performance is having a Memorial Day sale and everything is 15% off through Monday, 5/30.

    That gets the Access 29er frame down to $101.99.

    I think I'm buying one.
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    Looking good guys!!! Here's mine with the Stans Fows...


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    Okay... I just ordered a 21" frame and a Soul Cycles rigid fork (100mm corrected).

    I'm actually building this because I have a set of Schwalbe Big Apples laying around and I want a neighborhood beater bike.

    In the parts bin I have:
    • Tires (a few sets of assorted tires, including the Big Apples)
    • Wheels
    • 8 speed derailleur, shifter & cassette (7/8 Speed Shimano Alivio)
    • 9 speed cassette SRAM 950, nearly new (no shifter or derailleur)
    • F & R brake levers
    • Front Avid BB5
    • A few different saddles
    • A few different sets of grips
    • Crap plastic platforms

    What I need:
    • Bar & Stem
    • Seatpost
    • Single speed crank (for 1x8 setup)
    • 8 speed chain
    • New brake cable & housing

    Optional (if I can find them dirt cheap)
    • 9 speed shifter, derailleur & chain
    • Rear brake (I'll eventually upgrade my Specialized and carry the BB5 from that to this)
    • Nicer headset
    • Decent metal platforms, maybe Power Grips


    If I can play my eBay, Craigslist & Classified cards right I'll be able to build this thing for under $350 including frame & fork.
    Last edited by NUTT; 05-25-2011 at 01:08 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NUTT


    What I need:
    [*]Nicer headset


    If I can play my eBay, Craigslist & Classified cards right I'll be able to build this thing for under $350 including frame & fork.
    I found a WTB Inner Peace Headset...very nice headset BTW...on chainlove for 15.99. Good Luck and hope you have fun with the build...I know I did...

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    Quote Originally Posted by NUTT
    Okay... I just ordered a 21" frame and a Soul Cycles rigid fork (100mm corrected).

    I'm actually building this because I have a set of Schwalbe Big Apples laying around and I want a neighborhood beater bike.

    In the parts bin I have:
    • Tires (a few sets of assorted tires, including the Big Apples)
    • Wheels
    • 8 speed derailleur, shifter & cassette
    • 9 speed cassette (no shifter or derailleur)
    • F & R brake levers
    • Front Avid BB5
    • A few different saddles
    • A few different sets of grips
    • Crap plastic platforms

    What I need:
    • Bar & Stem
    • Seatpost
    • Single speed crank (for 1x8 setup)
    • 8 speed chain
    • New brake cable & housing

    Optional (if I can find them dirt cheap)
    • 9 speed shifter, derailleur & chain
    • Rear brake (I'll eventually upgrade my Specialized and carry the BB5 from that to this)
    • Nicer headset
    • Decent metal platforms, maybe Power Grips


    If I can play my eBay, Craigslist & Classified cards right I'll be able to build this thing for under $350 including frame & fork.
    8 and 9 speed derailleurs are the same thing. All you should need is a new shifter

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn
    8 and 9 speed derailleurs are the same thing. All you should need is a new shifter
    This one is a 2008 Shimano Alivio RD-M410.

    I'm pretty sure it is old & crappy enough that it is 7/8 speed only. At least that is what the Shimano website says.

    And honestly, it is garbage. If I could find a new or take-off SRAM X7 or X9 rear shifter & derailleur set for $50 or so I'll be much happier.
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