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    Quote Originally Posted by 1SPD View Post
    Well, I didn't get the second water bottle on just yet (we actually have the tool here at work so I ordered a nut kit that should be here in week or so). None the less, made a few changes over the past few months.

    New items:
    XTR race brakes
    Hylix carbon bar ends
    New wheels: Hope hubs, Crest rims, Sapim spokes
    Ashima rotors w/ ti bolts
    Ti bolts to replace stock rear hub bolt on bolts (shaved about 33g)
    Still waiting on HBC cog

    Finally broke 20 lbs! Wt w/ new wheels is 19.53! Not bad for a mass produced (well not even produced any more) steel frame.
    HOT. Hey what seatpost clamp are you using?
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    hey 1SPD where did you find the ti hub bolts?

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    Built my 2012 up a few weeks ago... my favorite bike so far. Took advantage of the cheep prices on huck n' roll. Used some old parts from another bike and some new parts. Will post pictures as soon as it will let me.

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    As promised. Nothing special, but she rides great.
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    current build of my jabber w/ new Ti luv bars.
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    Got the new P35/Hope wheels going here. Running them tubeless with a WTB Dissent 2.5 front and Panaracer Rampage in the rear, 2.35.

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    Better pic of my Jab.

    finally tubelessed the tires. Added a HBC chainring.


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    Dang, it just gets worse ... I love my Jabber, so I hope the company gets its spit together ...
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    PHOENIX, AZ June 14 2012 11:00 AM MT— TEAJ Cycling Group acquired Vassago Cycles, a Boutique Manufacturer of 29er Steel and Titanium Bicycle Frames. The company will re-launch early 2013 under new ownership and management.

    “As riders and racers, we wanted to see Vassago continue as an independent brand providing the high performance, value-oriented frames that the company has been known for,” said Tom Ament, former factory racer and team captain of Vassago. “The new ownership and transition of the company will allow Vassago to expand the current product lineup while focusing on providing an outstanding level of service and support to our dealers and customers."

    Founded in 2005, Vassago Cycles remains one of the most established 29er brands in the market place today. For questions, dealer inquiries, additional interviews, or information, visit Bikes are effin cool - Homey or email info@vassagocycles.com.

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    Ok.....

    finally got a chance to snap a pic. Got my Jabber repaired and powder coated. All back together and got all the bugs worked out.
    Back into regular service.
    She is ridin' real nice and quiet!
    fun stuff
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    got one

    Quote Originally Posted by gsteitz View Post
    I'm looking for a 16" frame if anyone has one?
    I have a 16" frame - and while I am 6 foot I love the thing. It has the same seat-to grip length as my Heckler. (which is also for sale - i have not ridden it sense I built the Jabber!


    It has a repaired head tube - I am willing to part with it if you want. jabber

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    My bike is heavier than yours - it does not have Carbon or Titanium parts - I love it!

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    here is my recent build

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    Sorry fellas but I took this yesterday and had to post it - just a few of my favorite things all in the same place at once


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    Forth post :-) sorry guys i'm trying to start a post!

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    have these been discontinued or something? i can barely find any of them on the web. none of them on ebay which i thought was surprising. i'm looking for a 16" black frame but can't find one for the life of me!

    oh yeah, and beautiful bikes everybody you have all really inspired me

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    updated pic

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    Mine





    Added some bling, better wheelset and finally got around to modifying the crank.

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    I've always been a big fan of Kona Unit and Surly KM, but damn... I think frame swap is in order for next season.

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    posted this in the ss forum too. here's my newly completed Jabberwocky. first 29er and first rigid!

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/75006729@N05/7695572362/" title="Jabber 2 by cstrip, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8006/7695572362_193e662bbd.jpg" width="500" height="281" alt="Jabber 2"></a>

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    Rebuilt Vassago to full rigid. Lets see those Vassago Jabberwocky builds....-imageuploadedbytapatalk1346508973.820869.jpgLets see those Vassago Jabberwocky builds....-imageuploadedbytapatalk1346508986.433591.jpgLets see those Vassago Jabberwocky builds....-imageuploadedbytapatalk1346508996.594482.jpgLets see those Vassago Jabberwocky builds....-imageuploadedbytapatalk1346509005.296654.jpgLets see those Vassago Jabberwocky builds....-imageuploadedbytapatalk1346509014.333253.jpgLets see those Vassago Jabberwocky builds....-imageuploadedbytapatalk1346509024.724494.jpgjust rode it yesterday - its dialed in, fast and clean

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    Anybody put 650b's on a Jabber? Just wondering if there are any pictures. Got a low BB with 29's and would like to see a finished attempt at it if possible.
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    Lovin those sliding drop outs, bycyclist. Ooo and a real head badge- classy.

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    wantedanyone have a

    Anyone have an 18 in mojave or black for sale? Got a little project in mind.....

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    My current set up. 1557g wheels. Without the saddle bag or bottles it's weighing in at 22.88lbs. Every time I hope on this bike I'm reminded of why I love it.




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    Hi Guys,

    Just acquired an Army Green Jabberwocky frame, and now I'm trying to source an ODIS fork. Not many around, is there!

    If you have one kicking around in your garage doing nothing, please get in touch. If it's in Army Green, even better!

    Thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niner_Boy View Post
    Hi Guys,

    Just acquired an Army Green Jabberwocky frame, and now I'm trying to source an ODIS fork. Not many around, is there!

    If you have one kicking around in your garage doing nothing, please get in touch. If it's in Army Green, even better!

    Thanks,

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    Good luck finding one. The Salsa Cro Moto Grande is a good option for the Jabber if you can't find an ODIS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Niner_Boy View Post
    Hi Guys,

    Just acquired an Army Green Jabberwocky frame, and now I'm trying to source an ODIS fork. Not many around, is there!

    If you have one kicking around in your garage doing nothing, please get in touch. If it's in Army Green, even better!

    Thanks,

    Neil
    Where'd you end up finding an Army Green Jabber. Pretty rare these days.

    I think a black rigid fork would go well with that color frame too. I did sell off my ODIS earlier this year, only because I preferred a White Brothers carbon. Let me know if you're interested in that route, but it certainly won't be in the price range of the ODIS or Salsa as mentioned above.

    Perhaps the "New Vassago", might have something in store for rigid forks, too. Only time will tell, but I'm hoping sooner rather than later. Definitely interested on what may be around the corner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenaustin View Post
    Where'd you end up finding an Army Green Jabber. Pretty rare these days.

    I think a black rigid fork would go well with that color frame too. I did sell off my ODIS earlier this year, only because I preferred a White Brothers carbon. Let me know if you're interested in that route, but it certainly won't be in the price range of the ODIS or Salsa as mentioned above.

    Perhaps the "New Vassago", might have something in store for rigid forks, too. Only time will tell, but I'm hoping sooner rather than later. Definitely interested on what may be around the corner.
    Bought the frame of a guy in these forums.

    I've been in contact with Vassago today, and they have in stock ODIS Mojave forks for $125 shipped. They will have more forks in stock mid-December, I am told, in black and Mojave, but no green.

    I've just sunk a small fortune into a 2011 EMD build, and the Jabba is for me to find out what the rigid SS fuss is all about, so I'm in no hurry to complete the build. Enjoying the EMD waaaaay too much!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niner_Boy View Post
    Bought the frame of a guy in these forums.

    I've been in contact with Vassago today, and they have in stock ODIS Mojave forks for $125 shipped. They will have more forks in stock mid-December, I am told, in black and Mojave, but no green.

    I've just sunk a small fortune into a 2011 EMD build, and the Jabba is for me to find out what the rigid SS fuss is all about, so I'm in no hurry to complete the build. Enjoying the EMD waaaaay too much!!
    Interesting, I think I was trying to get the same frame but the seller told me he was selling locally. Are you on the east coast too?

    Looks like we're in a similar boat. I have a 2011 EMD too, but set up as SS wand rigid Niner Carbon fork. Loving it, but thinking about trying out steel again, including steel fork.

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    Just built this one up in Mohave. I am super stoked on how this bike handles. For those who say 29's "still don't turn like my 26" that is because it is not a 26 inch bike. It works well for me. I had a Rig a few years ago, and a well timed trade came along with a Hi Fi 26 bike-my first FS bike. Got rid of that after a year and ride this now. I love the steel feel.
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    what size fork on a jabber?

    Their new site says an 80mm fork is optimal, but 100mm will do..........anyone have one with 100mm fork? Thoughts/opinions?? Should I go with the Bander instead??
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    Quote Originally Posted by djm271@bellsouth.net View Post
    Their new site says an 80mm fork is optimal, but 100mm will do..........anyone have one with 100mm fork? Thoughts/opinions?? Should I go with the Bander instead??
    I ride rigid only, but if I remember correctly aren't all/most suspension 80mm forks, convertible to 100mm or more via spacers? You could just experiment yourself and determine what works best for you.

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    The xfusion is travel adjustable from 80 to 120 internally. I am set at 80 and like the handling. I would think that the frame length would make the steering to slow above that
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    I'm just glad the website is back up. More bike porn to drool over!
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    It's pleasurable to see a bunch of red x's? (means we can't see it )
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    Quote Originally Posted by longhaultrucker View Post
    It's pleasurable to see a bunch of red x's? (means we can't see it )
    It's spam.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbikej View Post
    It's spam.
    Yup,looks that way,sigh....hey Mods!!!
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    For craps sake would you get a friggin life and stop spamming up a cycling forum?
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    Quote Originally Posted by longhaultrucker View Post
    For craps sake would you get a friggin life and stop spamming up a cycling forum?
    But don't you wanna jacket?

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    This time of year? Nah
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    Quote Originally Posted by djm271@bellsouth.net View Post
    Their new site says an 80mm fork is optimal, but 100mm will do..........anyone have one with 100mm fork? Thoughts/opinions?? Should I go with the Bander instead??
    My friend has a 100mm on his and he likes it just fine.

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    Here's my Jabber. I've had it for a couple months, but I just finished building these wheels Had the hubs from my 26er SS but decided to put them on this bike.





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    Nice ride, enjoy!!

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    Thanks! It's a blast!

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    Still looking out for an army green ODIS fork guys. If you hear of one for sale, please shoot me a PM.

    Thanks!
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    Sent an email to Vassago about a month ago asking about if they will bring back the army green Jabber and it sounds like they will! I really liked that color. So maybe the green forks will be available also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Way View Post
    Sent an email to Vassago about a month ago asking about if they will bring back the army green Jabber and it sounds like they will! I really liked that color. So maybe the green forks will be available also.
    I spoke with Tom a couple of weeks ago and back he told me that it was their intention to produce the fork in black and mojave only. He knows I'm after a green one, so if they ever produce one, I'm sure he'll be in touch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Niner_Boy View Post
    I spoke with Tom a couple of weeks ago and back he told me that it was their intention to produce the fork in black and mojave only. He knows I'm after a green one, so if they ever produce one, I'm sure he'll be in touch.
    i tried hard to get one about a year ago. i even called all the distributor's on their old website to see if anyone had one laying around. i found one shop in AZ but they didn't want to separate it from the frame. ended up with salsa cro moto grande.

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    Bye bye EMD. Hello Jabber (again). I sold my '11 black Jabber and after trying out a few different frames, I knew I had to get one back again. When I saw this new old stock black with the smoked out lettering, I knew I had to pull the trigger. Figured it'll get me by until the new Vassago comes out with a new Jabber, or the new TI or Steel bikes end up being worthwhile.

    Might go with a black Odis (when they come out) and also a WI ENO crankset. For now, the WB and the Stylo have been great.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenaustin View Post
    Bye bye EMD. Hello Jabber (again). I sold my '11 black Jabber and after trying out a few different frames, I knew I had to get one back again. When I saw this new old stock black with the smoked out lettering, I knew I had to pull the trigger. Figured it'll get me by until the new Vassago comes out with a new Jabber, or the new TI or Steel bikes end up being worthwhile.

    Might go with a black Odis (when they come out) and also a WI ENO crankset. For now, the WB and the Stylo have been great.
    Nice. Where did you get the frame? FYI don't bother with the ENO cranks. The Stylo is a thousand time stiffer. I had an ENO crankset, but ditched it for a external BB crank.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain_America1976 View Post
    Nice. Where did you get the frame? FYI don't bother with the ENO cranks. The Stylo is a thousand time stiffer. I had an ENO crankset, but ditched it for a external BB crank.
    Thanks. I also have a '12 XT crankset lying around from another ditched build, that I thought about using as well. Good to know about the ENO cranks, which is interesting, because they're supposed to be a SS specific crankset.

    Alex from the The Hub Bicycle Co. hooked me up. He replied to my wanted ad, and it all worked out. I needed a 16", so not sure if he has other sizes left. Definitely a rare find though, so good luck. Who knows, maybe they'll re-release new colors on the Jabbers.

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    My Jabber

    When I decided to get a mtb, this thread was my guide. Once I saw the jabberwockys it was over. Had this bike for 3 years now lurking on these threads and I finally wanted to show it off. Love this Bike!

    XTR Cranks
    Boone Titanium 32 X 16
    WI Freewheel
    Chis King BB and Headset
    Avid BB7
    Edge (Enve) Carbon Riser
    Niner Carbon Fork
    DT Swiss X470 RIMS
    Paul Hubs
    Thomson Elite Stem and Post
    Maxxis Crossmark

    PS--I have black ODIS Fork in Great shape if anyone is interested

    Big shout out to @FranksCyclery for building this bike and keeping it dialed in.
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    I think I'd be very interested in building a bike like the one's pictured here. I really like the simplicity of their look in construction. Then, I could keep my Jamis Exile purely for trail/path use. Would it be blasphemous to ask if bikes like these would be good contenders for commuting/street use, with proper tires?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benjiboy View Post
    When I decided to get a mtb, this thread was my guide. Once I saw the jabberwockys it was over. Had this bike for 3 years now lurking on these threads and I finally wanted to show it off. Love this Bike!

    XTR Cranks
    Boone Titanium 32 X 16
    WI Freewheel
    Chis King BB and Headset
    Avid BB7
    Edge (Enve) Carbon Riser
    Niner Carbon Fork
    DT Swiss X470 RIMS
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    Thomson Elite Stem and Post
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    PS--I have black ODIS Fork in Great shape if anyone is interested

    Big shout out to @FranksCyclery for building this bike and keeping it dialed in.
    Good taste!

    I might be interested in your odis. PM me.

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    Nice builds guys. Getting itchy feet about building mine now...I'm supposed to be waiting until next year
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    Quote Originally Posted by iamJ4R0N View Post
    I think I'd be very interested in building a bike like the one's pictured here. I really like the simplicity of their look in construction. Then, I could keep my Jamis Exile purely for trail/path use. Would it be blasphemous to ask if bikes like these would be good contenders for commuting/street use, with proper tires?
    Many commuter bikes are made of steel as it absorbs the road bumps better than aluminium.

    I'd advise you to have a look at the Surly Karate Monkey or Ogre before you pile some cash into a Jabba as I think their geo lends better to both trails and tarmac.

    Having said that, I do plan on running my Jabba for trails, with a spare wheelset with hybrid tyres for the road. Best of both worlds I think.
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    Posted this over in the SS forum, but here it is anyways. Pre-feast ride!

    (Thanks Anderson!!!)

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    Pedal through it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gsteitz View Post
    Posted this over in the SS forum, but here it is anyways. Pre-feast ride!

    (Thanks Anderson!!!)

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    Awesome! Thanks for sharing!

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    My New Jabber

    Just got my Jabber built up a couple of days ago. Running 1x9 for the moment but Brown Santa should be delivering my SS drivetrain stuff any day now.

    This bike is ridiculous. Coming off my fancy FS bikes I thought this bike would give me a handicap that would slow me down and force me to ride with a little more finesse. The latter is certainly true, but after riding this bike for just a few days, I'm blown away by how capable this bike is! With few exceptions, I've found myself cleaning steep technical climbs with more confidence on this bike than any other I own. Surprisingly compliant on fast descents and the handling is super crisp - I'm having a blast on this thing! I stuck my camera on the tripod with a time delay interval during assembly and made sure to get a few nice shots before it saw the dirt, which you'll see below. Hopefully I can get some action shots up before too long.



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    Far out, thats awesome!

    Love that puddin' color.
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    Can I get some sizing input from you guys? I'm 5'9 with long legs compared to my short torso. I feel like an 18" would be good with a shorter stem. On my 18" FS bike my Seatpost sticks out crazy far. It's a slack trance x so the reach to bars with 90mm stem feels good pulled in. Ive been riding my friends 17.5" felt nine trail with 100mm stem and it feels great with the wide bars.

    I feel a 16" would have the perfect top tube length for me but I'm.worried about not having enough room for the Seatpost.
    There's something about those long grueling climbs that gets my front end all stiff... And I'm not talking about lockout...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kikoraa View Post
    Can I get some sizing input from you guys? I'm 5'9 with long legs compared to my short torso. I feel like an 18" would be good with a shorter stem. On my 18" FS bike my Seatpost sticks out crazy far. It's a slack trance x so the reach to bars with 90mm stem feels good pulled in. Ive been riding my friends 17.5" felt nine trail with 100mm stem and it feels great with the wide bars.

    I feel a 16" would have the perfect top tube length for me but I'm.worried about not having enough room for the Seatpost.
    I'm 5'8" with crazy long legs and I've been on my 18" for almost 6 years now. I run a 100mm stem but I like that long stretched out race position. It works really well when I have to stand up and grunt my way up a hill. So I think it depends on how you like to sit on the bike...stretched out or more straight up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kikoraa View Post
    Can I get some sizing input from you guys? I'm 5'9 with long legs compared to my short torso. I feel like an 18" would be good with a shorter stem. On my 18" FS bike my Seatpost sticks out crazy far. It's a slack trance x so the reach to bars with 90mm stem feels good pulled in. Ive been riding my friends 17.5" felt nine trail with 100mm stem and it feels great with the wide bars.

    I feel a 16" would have the perfect top tube length for me but I'm.worried about not having enough room for the Seatpost.
    Thats a tricky one.
    The options are ride a 16in with a normal stem
    Or ride a 18in with a shorter stem?


    The frames do handle well with short stems and you will be guaranteed to not have toe overlap with a larger frame.

    But the bikes are already long and slack, and you dont want that to be coupled with a too large of frame.

    I would say get the one with the proper length ETT. Or try to find one or the other to test ride before you buy.

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    Athens GA.
    There's something about those long grueling climbs that gets my front end all stiff... And I'm not talking about lockout...

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    Yep it's a little tricky because of the unique geo of the bike. I'm 5' 6", and traditionally the small frame's ETT would be too long for someone my size and proportions. It's more on par to a Medium for most other frames. However, I feel more comfortable and more stable being stretched out with how I have it set up (rigid) and how I prefer to ride it (more xc, lots and lots of climbing, conservative downs, not too many jumps/drops,etc.) . I'm currently using a 70mm stem and considering a 80mm. I'm thinking if I had a more flickable bike and wanted a more playful ride, I'd go with a small size for that other frame, which would probably have a ETT under 23". Lot's of things to consider, and I know it can be difficult to demo a bike that's not so mainstream like a Trek, Giant, Spec.

    You're probably right between a small/medium. I agree with Sheepo on worrying most about that ETT, and matching it closer to what you're already used to.

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    I'm a shade over 5'9" and ride the 16" pictured above. Currently using a 90mm stem and fit is good. Could maybe go a touch longer on the stem or try a set back post, but the bike feels great! However, I'm the opposite and have shorter legs and a long torso. Dig the extra clearance and was worried about the bike being too long after trying some similar ETT bikes.

    Funny, one of my mates commented the first time I rode with him on this bike that it looks like it fits me perfectly!
    Pedal through it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kikoraa View Post
    Athens GA.
    Ill be in Atlanta from Dec 17th to January 10th or so with my 18 in bandersnatch. Let me know if you wanna try it. I may even find my way coming up to chicopee to ride a few times
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    That would be great. I'll pm you my number. I'm not going anywhere. Harbins park is in gwinette. I ride there almost every weekend.
    There's something about those long grueling climbs that gets my front end all stiff... And I'm not talking about lockout...

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    Have you ever ridden heritage? It where chainbustrr does a lot of their endurance races.
    There's something about those long grueling climbs that gets my front end all stiff... And I'm not talking about lockout...

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    Jabber in the clouds

    From Sunday's ride...was a treat when I got to the top.
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    Spectacular marine layer, great shot Anderson!

    (Nice bike too!)
    Pedal through it!

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    thanks, yeah never gets old climbing up through it and over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kikoraa View Post
    That would be great. I'll pm you my number. I'm not going anywhere. Harbins park is in gwinette. I ride there almost every weekend.
    We need to get together and you can ride mine. I have an 18" with an 80mm stem and love the setup. The choice was small with a 110mm or a medium with 80mm and for this kind of bike (fun single speed that will still go downhill) the shorter stem fits me better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trhoppe View Post
    We need to get together and you can ride mine. I have an 18" with an 80mm stem and love the setup. The choice was small with a 110mm or a medium with 80mm and for this kind of bike (fun single speed that will still go downhill) the shorter stem fits me better.

    -Tom
    Ha, yea man. I actually sent you an email the other day asking if I oils ride yours when we were talking about the cog I sent you. Any weekend is good.

    Sorry to derail this thread.

    I'm envious of all those sexy wockys!
    There's something about those long grueling climbs that gets my front end all stiff... And I'm not talking about lockout...

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    Here is my jabber right now...
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    Anyone seen a jabber with a lefty?

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenaustin View Post
    thanks, yeah never gets old climbing up through it and over it.
    Nice! I hate it when you get all warm and then freeze getting back to the car...
    We ride the same trails.. but I am out a few hours before you!

    I have a 16" jabber frame that has a repaired head tube.. I prefer longer top tubes and short stems - but I rode the 16 for about 6 months and loved it with a 100 mm stem
    My bike is heavier than yours - it does not have Carbon or Titanium parts - I love it!

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    This is my second Jabber. I had the original 2007 green one. I sold it back in March, and I have missed it since. This is my new green one. I have had it for just over a week and about 70 miles. It's nice to be back on my old friend.


    I went with the new headbadge for the new frame. It's not the Jenn Green work or art, but it's still pretty nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain_America1976 View Post
    This is my second Jabber. I had the original 2007 green one. I sold it back in March, and I have missed it since. This is my new green one. I have had it for just over a week and about 70 miles. It's nice to be back on my old friend.

    I went with the new headbadge for the new frame. It's not the Jenn Green work or art, but it's still pretty nice.
    Looks great! I always liked the Army Green (but still love my black). Where did you find it? Funny to hear the same stories, including myself of those selling earlier this year only to get another one recently. Love the new headbadge. I still need to stick mine on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Weinerts View Post
    Nice! I hate it when you get all warm and then freeze getting back to the car...
    We ride the same trails.. but I am out a few hours before you!

    I have a 16" jabber frame that has a repaired head tube.. I prefer longer top tubes and short stems - but I rode the 16 for about 6 months and loved it with a 100 mm stem
    When do you ride?! It's Sunday early morning (6:30am) for me and I feel like i'm always one of the first out there. Do you happen to ride an Army Green Jabber? My brother in law (kermit green SIR 9) told me about always seeing someone with one riding up the other side of Rock House, but I've never ran into him.

    How's the 100mm stem working out? Any noticeable differences or improvements going from a short stem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenaustin View Post
    Looks great! I always liked the Army Green (but still love my black). Where did you find it? Funny to hear the same stories, including myself of those selling earlier this year only to get another one recently. Love the new headbadge. I still need to stick mine on.
    Bike 29 found one on the back corner of the warehouse, and it happened to be in my size. Selling my original one had nothing to do with Vassago imploding. I was starting to push the Jabber beyond it's limits with the riding I was using it for. I had a 120mm fork and rear wheel slammed all the way forward. I replaced it with a Nimble9 which is designed for a 120mm fork and ultra short stays. I eventually decided that I don't like gears anymore, so I sold my 4" squishy bike to build up another single speed. At the time I couldn't find a Jabber. I had 2 different frames before this one that I sold for one reason or another. This one will be around for a bit. I have my last Jabber for 4 years, and that the longest I have owned a frame in a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain_America1976 View Post
    Bike 29 found one on the back corner of the warehouse, and it happened to be in my size. Selling my original one had nothing to do with Vassago imploding. I was starting to push the Jabber beyond it's limits with the riding I was using it for. I had a 120mm fork and rear wheel slammed all the way forward. I replaced it with a Nimble9 which is designed for a 120mm fork and ultra short stays. I eventually decided that I don't like gears anymore, so I sold my 4" squishy bike to build up another single speed. At the time I couldn't find a Jabber. I had 2 different frames before this one that I sold for one reason or another. This one will be around for a bit. I have my last Jabber for 4 years, and that the longest I have owned a frame in a long time.
    Nice! I shouldn't have just assumed the reason for why you got rid of it. At least for me, potential lack of warranty was big thing for me at the time as it was my only ride.

    I also started to research a more playful frame to complement my Jabber. Kona Honzo and Steely 26er are considerations but quite heavy for my size, so the Nimble 9 is at the top of the list. Sounds like you still have it? How do you like it? I'm going back and forth with a used one vs. the new 2013 model. Sorry, probably should go in a different thread or PM.

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    Yea, but I would like to know too

    Quote Originally Posted by goldenaustin View Post
    Nice! I shouldn't have just assumed the reason for why you got rid of it. At least for me, potential lack of warranty was big thing for me at the time as it was my only ride.

    I also started to research a more playful frame to complement my Jabber. Kona Honzo and Steely 26er are considerations but quite heavy for my size, so the Nimble 9 is at the top of the list. Sounds like you still have it? How do you like it? I'm going back and forth with a used one vs. the new 2013 model. Sorry, probably should go in a different thread or PM.
    I'm in the same boat but geared. I have a Vassago Bandersnatch, but the geo is not that much different than my Salsa Dos Niner. Very much interested in the N9 as well. I'm lucky, they still have 3 in my size(XL), but was wondering what the 2013 models have in store, or wait to see if the clear out current inventory by spring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TBMD9er View Post
    I'm in the same boat but geared. I have a Vassago Bandersnatch, but the geo is not that much different than my Salsa Dos Niner. Very much interested in the N9 as well. I'm lucky, they still have 3 in my size(XL), but was wondering what the 2013 models have in store, or wait to see if the clear out current inventory by spring.
    Sorry for the threadjack Canfield has hinted that the 2013 model will be more Honzo like. It will have a 44mm headtube, and it will be a bit beefier. Personally I love mine. I ride it on the local trails that are very rocky, and it does really well there. I use the Jabber on the trails with more flow.
    Back to the Jabberwocky fluffing

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    new jabber

    Got my black frame and fork from Vassago last week. Starting the process of building it up. I will post pics once it is more interesting than a stock black frame coming out of the box.

    I have ordered a White Ind double double crank/freewheel setup for it
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    31/34 front and a 16/19 freewheel. This allows for one chainlength and two different ratios . . . just have to take a few minutes to loosen wheel, slack chain, switch. The reason for this is that this bike will be my commuter at times and my fun urban bike . . .
    There will also be many times I will ride about 12 miles from where I live to a 7 mile trail . . . and will switch ratio when I get to the trail.
    At least this is how I envision it. Will not know for sure until it is setup.

    Frame has been purchased. Fork too. Crank and freewheel are ordered and will ship soon.
    I am going with some lower end parts (setpost, stem, bars) to make this somewhat more doable as far as my budget. I will to be riding by April 1, no joke.
    I am going to get a set of wheels built next. Decent build with White Industries hubs. Probably Stans rims.

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    If anyone plans to part with their 16" Jabberwocky, please let me know. I'm looking to get back in the scene of mountain biking (in style). --Sandra

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    Quote Originally Posted by sandraqu View Post
    If anyone plans to part with their 16" Jabberwocky, please let me know. I'm looking to get back in the scene of mountain biking (in style). --Sandra
    Vassago is selling them direct on their website. Some package deals too. I ordered some parts from them a couple of weeks ago and they shipped fast and were very responsive.
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    Hey Sandra, I have a small Vassago that I am looking to sell. I can sell as frame/fork(Odis) or complete setup. I will do an ad on MTBR if you don't have an interest. PM me for more info.

    Thanks!

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    Here are some shots of my new build. Big Apple tires on it as for the next few months to get back and shape and let the winter fall away.

    more shots can be seen at this link Zenfolio | baldphotog | 29er



    close up of the rear double cog


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    Dig that Dingle Indygreg.
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    Quote Originally Posted by indygreg View Post
    Here are some shots of my new build. Big Apple tires on it as for the next few months to get back and shape and let the winter fall away.

    more shots can be seen at this link Zenfolio | baldphotog | 29er

    Very nice! Been eyeing a WI crankset myself. What BB are you using?

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    Quote Originally Posted by goldenaustin View Post
    Very nice! Been eyeing a WI crankset myself. What BB are you using?
    Universal Cycles -- Sinz Expert 68x113 Square Taper Euro BB

    I was trying to not go too over the top with this build as far as price . . . that goal somewhat slipped away when I ended up getting premium things like thomson post and stem.
    But decided against spending $100 on a BB. Time will tell of course. But I think this is an above average lower end BB

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    okay . . . my Jabber is basically built to what I wanted. Since the pics there have been a few changes.
    #1 - replaced the sweep bars with Grar Bar from simple pleasures. That much sweep just did not feel right now me. Very bad in fact. I did not feel confident on it, did not feel as in control and the bike felt less crisp than I had hoped (and saying that knowing my first 29er, especially one with a laid back design). The Grar bar changed everything. Bike feels so much better to me.
    #2 swapped out grips with ESI chunky foam grips. I wanted an option with some padding and that could work on the bars - almost no lock on grip will work on the gnar bar due to the bend mid grip.
    #3 I removed the jabber bolts and have a surly tuggnet on the drive side? Why? Good question. The jabber bolts are IMHO a really smart design and a very light and simple way to deal with the issue of wheel moving forward on drive side . . . UNLESS you are trying to get the wheel as tucked as you possibly can. With the drivetain I had and the chain I bought, my two options were nearly all tucked or really at the far end of the dropouts . . . at least without a half link. I would prefer tucked on this bike as they are long stays to begin with. So, with the jabber nuts backed out 100% as far as they can go I can get the chain to work, but the wheel is against the bolts and thus I cannot take the chain off without breaking it. If I want to use a link that allows for tool free breaking, it needs some slack (or at least the chain I bought does). So, if the jabberbolts are removed, I can then have the wheel a few mm away from frame limit, and thus can loosen tuggnet, slack chain and remove the wheel as needed.

    So . . . I have only been riding around my neighborhood. This is partially as it has been very cold and partially I have a chest cold I cannot kick so cannot go and push it anywhere.
    It is hard to get the front wheel up. My first few rides had the wheel nearly at the longest wheelbase position and it was really hard. I got it half way in with a half link (that was not working well on my chain . . . my 1 mile walk home can attest to that) and it was a bit easier to lift front wheel. Now it is almost totally tucked, it is easier, but not easy.

    I can pull up over the curb on my driveway. When I jump off my backyard deck into the grass (like a 2 step drop) I can lift enough to have an even landing. It takes more effort than I would have guessed.
    But right now I do not think I could clear a decent long on a trail. I feel like I would get it up some and the wheel would hit it some with forward momentum and not sort of land on top like I could with my 26er.

    so:
    Are 29ers in general harder to get the front hoop of the ground? I have to suspect they might be as no matter what chainstays are longer, wheels are heavier, etc

    Others in this thread have talked about the jabber being a little harder than most. I am okay with that as the geo of the front triangle fits me so well (I am all torso). I am sure I will get better as I get used to it . . . but what are some tips or possible tweaks?
    I suspect a decent carbon fork might save me nearly 1lbs, which I would think would have a positive effect . . but I would prefer to keep the steel fork.
    How does stem length and overall bar height impact this?

    Thanks all

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    Dear friends of the Vassago fan club,

    Today I purchased my second Jabber frame from a friend used which appears to be different from my huck n roll purchase of a new frame last year. One difference I noticed, looks to be an older model frame whereas it has the extra welded steel piece welded betwixt the head tube and bottom tube AND.... leading into my question: is the bottom bracket shell 68mm vs 73mm on my "new"er Jabberdonky? It looks smaller. I am currently outfitting her with new parts and need a little advice of the expertise of ya'lls. Thanks in advance.
    -rides bikes for fun.

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    First - yes, at some point Vassago dropped those extra steel pieces at the head tube bottom tube intersection. They did not move the intersection down . . . just did not use those pieces.

    I got my Jabber Frame in Dec, so it is a new one - tan logo on black (which I am not a fan of, preferred the look of the gray logo, but I will get decals made soon to put over). It is a 68mm BB.

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    Lets see those Vassago Jabberwocky builds....

    Hey Indygreg- nice looking ride! Really like the crankset.

    On your concern with getting it up ( the front wheel that is) this is my third SS and second 29- the last being a Rig and my latest a Jabber. I had a 26 FS in between them. Yes it is a little more difficult on most 29's to loft the front, but I found I just had to readjust my riding style and can now easily pull a wheelie and ride it for a few yards no sweat. It's just like turning- it takes a little bit different input and timing- but if you are aware of what you are doing you will certainly figure it out. If it matters I am running 32-20 gearing about middle of the stays and am a lightweight- so I am definitely not muscling it up!


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    Sold my Jabberwocky, but built up a Chupacabra


    Yeh, like an idiot, I sold my Jabberwocky. Regretted it immediately. Loved the Wetcat geo. Finished building up the Chupacabra. Vassago's aluminum Trail HT( 100mm-120mm forks). Went rigid with a 490mm Rock Solid. Need to trim hoses & put an Ardent 2.4 up front (the Ignitor looks puny). Hopefully a spin this afternoon.
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    My brand new Jabber after our spring break trip the the Womble in Mt. Ida, Arkansas!

    Stans Flow rims
    Hope pro 2 evo hubs
    xt crank/Homebrewed ring
    xtr trail brakes
    Salsa bar/stem
    Thomson Post
    WTB silverado saddle
    2.35 nobby nic up front with a 2.25 nic in the back




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    Lets see those Vassago Jabberwocky builds....

    Wondering what tires you guys are running to clear the stays closer to the front of the dropouts. I'm currently building up a jabber (coming off one of the first gen bandersnatch's) and my 2.3 ground control won't fit unless I have the tire placed near the end of the dropouts. This wouldn't be too much of an issue other than I can't get my chain to tension properly with my 32x18 gearing and this tire issue...

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    I'm running a 32 18 with a 2.25 nobby nic and i had to position mine toward the back of the drop outs as well to have more clearance. the way the frame is designed it almost looks like the wheel should be positioned farther back for tire clearance on the sides.
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    Lets see those Vassago Jabberwocky builds....

    Yeah I may just need to get a half link for better chain tension.

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    Lets see those Vassago Jabberwocky builds....

    Well I decided to just go with a lower volume 2.0 captain. If I don't like it ill go back to the 2.3 ground control and get a half link for better chain tension. Ill post pics as soon as my garage is cleaned up...

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