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    Lapierre an their 29er FS

    Hi all,

    I know you USA folk don't get a lot of the Lapierre bikes over there, but still just wondering what people know about their new offering this season - in particular the XR which is their 4" dual suspension XC race weapon.

    Interesting suspension design, a few early reviews around the traps rate it pretty highly so far.... none have hit our shores yet here but I'm interested to see it in the flesh.

    Oh I heard that with the suspension design it has no issues with Specialized patents and so can be sold in the USA...

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    No-one even has an opinion on this bike was hoping for even a bit of discussion about the design

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    It's a good-looking bike, that's for sure...

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    I started a thread about this a while ago. The responces were lukewarm to say the least.

    New suspension platform to rival the Brain?

    I think it could be a great idea though, and if Di2 can take off so well on the road, why not this. I think the technology will need to filter down to bikes in most peoples price range for it to become popular.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lokisare View Post

    I know you USA folk don't get a lot of the Lapierre bikes over there,
    Knowing this.....

    Quote Originally Posted by lokisare View Post
    No-one even has an opinion on this bike
    Why are you surprised of this?


    Bike looks interesting but beyond that I couldn't tell you crap about it.

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    Looks like its got a boner.

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    Ok I was studying the pic and was wondering....is the seat stay a "flex stay" a la Cannondale or is there another pivot/bearing/link that I can't see??

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    Check out this pic:

    Gallery: Lapierre XR Team 29er ? First Look - BikeRadar

    Has a pivot above the BB, but it doesn't have a pivot at the rear wheel, so the stays will flex. Similar to other designs out there.

    The unique thing about the Lapierre though is if you get it with the electronic shock:

    Ei Shock | Cycles Lapierre

    Works similar to the brain, but uses an accelerometer on the handlebars to control the rear shock, instead of an inertia valve at the rear wheel.
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    I don't think they'll need to patent the design.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Knowing this.....



    Why are you surprised of this?


    Bike looks interesting but beyond that I couldn't tell you crap about it.
    Because there are people in the rest of the world as well... and they have the interweb too

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    Haven't seen this bike but being in France I see a lot of Lapierres in the shops and on the trails. Gorgeous bikes.

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    Spoken to my LBS about this bike, they had a demo day on one. The guy that rode it, I know very well and he rides very well. He said it was a very good bike and was impressed. You just got on it and it (the suspension) worked. It worked really well, it's a fast bike. You have a selection of 5 settings. Hard for XC racing, it was awesome for smashing it out, climbing out of the saddle etc. And then switch to soft for carving down hill, worked fine. A very competent bike.

    Seems to me that this system will be very good. Most other systems are a reactive systems, and therefore behind the ball. This system is more pro-active, so it should show an advantage. Possible this is where the industry will go (car industry has gone this way, look at German sports cars). Remains to be seen how it is taken up, how it runs in the wet and mud and how annoying it is when the battery runs out.

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    Very interesting. I am a sucker for technology. But I'll wait until the third year for both de-bugging and lower prices.
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    The one I was looking at was EI option but I was thinking just the fox CTD shock. I'm not sold on the EI idea yet

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    I have an XR 529 (non EI version) and first impressions are great. Very fast bike and nice quick handling. It is amazing value for money for a full carbon bike - a Stans Crest or similar wheelset, carbon bars and seatpost should have it down to 24lbs. for very little money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil S View Post
    I have an XR 529 (non EI version) and first impressions are great. Very fast bike and nice quick handling. It is amazing value for money for a full carbon bike - a Stans Crest or similar wheelset, carbon bars and seatpost should have it down to 24lbs. for very little money.
    Thanks for your reply Phil, good to hear. If I get this bike I will be getting it without a test ride so I'm keen for any feedback you have on the bike. Sounds like you like it.
    What kind of bike did you ride before, is this your first 29er? I'm looking at the middle model with the X0 / X9 build which comes in at about 23lbs out of the box with no pedals. I love XT shifting tho.
    I do mainly XC marathons, XC lap races like 24s and 12 hours and XC racing, at the moment I have a HT and FS both 26 and I can't afford to buy two 29ers... I'm trying to decide whether to get a HT first (like a scott scale) and keep riding my 26er FS for the hours of single track laps in a 12 hour, or get something like this lapierre which should do everything pretty well....

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    I got it without a demo ride as well, I tried nationwide (i'm in the UK) but was told there was no chance until maybe late next year (!) In the end I had to go off the geometry chart, compare to bikes I'd demoed and my current bike (not really comparable as a 26" HT).

    The most comparable bike I've ridden is a Specialized Epic carbon, although I much prefer having the Fox CTD shock on the Lapierre for on the fly adjustment. I'd say the Lapierre also feels a bit more nimble and chuckable than the Epic on twisty trails. It's also lighter and way cheaper! I'll be using it as my only MTB for trails, marathons, xc races etc. Similar to your requirements I'd say.

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    The responces were lukewarm to say the least.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil S View Post
    I got it without a demo ride as well, I tried nationwide (i'm in the UK) but was told there was no chance until maybe late next year (!) In the end I had to go off the geometry chart, compare to bikes I'd demoed and my current bike (not really comparable as a 26" HT).

    The most comparable bike I've ridden is a Specialized Epic carbon, although I much prefer having the Fox CTD shock on the Lapierre for on the fly adjustment. I'd say the Lapierre also feels a bit more nimble and chuckable than the Epic on twisty trails. It's also lighter and way cheaper! I'll be using it as my only MTB for trails, marathons, xc races etc. Similar to your requirements I'd say.
    Thanks again Phil, ironically if I get the 729 I'm going to be getting it from the UK and shipped to Australia because the importers are not bringing in that model - only the Team and 529 are coming into Australia.

    Just one more question, I don't suppose you got a real weight on your bike in comparison to the Lapierre published weight? I'd like to know how it compares if you did, I know they weigh their bikes without pedals not sure whether they weigh them with or without tubes...

    Found that bikeradar reviewed the 529 recently Lapierre XR529 ?*First Ride Review - BikeRadar

    Quote Originally Posted by robindevo View Post
    The responces were lukewarm to say the least.
    Thanks for the reply but could you give some details? Your post isn't that helpful as it is. Are you talking about reviews somewhere, can you link them or at least include a few points about what was said.

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    The weight is spot on. My large was 11.7kg with no pedals (Lapierre quote 11.5kg which I guess is for the small model). I didn't do it to save any weight but changing the bars (needed much wider ones) and stem (went shorter but not 100% convinced on that yet) knocked 150g off the start weight if that matters to you.

    One of the reasons I went for the 529 is that the standard wheels are a crazy 2.4kg (from what I can find online, haven't bothered weighing them myself yet), so in theory you can save 1kg+ and have a bike lighter than the 729 just by changing these to a light tubeless setup.

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    Lokisare, is the Team not to your liking?

    My local Brisbane store will be getting a demo bike soon. Come up here for a conference mate, and tee up a demo ride.

    Cheers

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    Haha I'd love the team, unfortunately full-time student status means no conferences and a budget that just can't stretch to the team :-( not another year anyway until I graduate.
    Having said that I much prefer the colour scheme of the 729! Am in contact with my local dealer here too so may arrange something, but still no demos for some time.
    Going to hit up the specialized demo days this weekend just to ride a HT versus dual sus 29er to see if that helps te decision making

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    Quote Originally Posted by WilliamK View Post
    Lokisare, is the Team not to your liking?

    My local Brisbane store will be getting a demo bike soon. Come up here for a conference mate, and tee up a demo ride.

    Cheers

    William
    Which shop is that? Are they getting the EI version?

    Whats the Aus price?
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    Ok I was studying the pic and was wondering
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    I tested the XR529 Vs Scalpel 1 & 2. Actually, I'm still not convince where i will go for my next bike. They are both great, but the XR is faster and more reactive Vs the Scalpel. Sure I tested the XR with American classic Race wheels, and this is exactly what this bike needs, light and reactive wheels, then it's really a rocket race !! Even this, I guess I'll buy the Scalpel, cause in Europe Cannondale is easier to sell after few years, and I have a small preference for the look of the Scalpel.

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    Such a tough decision, I test rode the Specialized Epic and Fate on the weekend and I enjoyed the Epic a lot more than I did the Scott Spark which I test rode a while ago. Make me realise how much difference there is between 29ers! Buying without a test ride is scary.

    I liked the Epic but it's just sooo expensive... the Lapierre is a little different too which I like, if it handles as well then it'll be great.

    I wonder if I will be able to fit a drink bottle in the small frame?

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    Sure, best thing is to test before...I had the same problem, make the right choice! Like for love, listen to your heart :-) I did it and I choose the Scalpel :-)
    They are both fast and confortable bikes..For the bottle I didn't test it

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    So decision is made! My local dealer is offering me some support which means the team model is within my reach. So I've taken the plunge and I'll let you know how the XR Team rides early in the new year :-)

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    Great ! Believe me, this bike is rocket and he is riding like a race bike. I like the team too but not in my budget, and the XR729 is a little bit too dark. What is the cost price for LP in your side?

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    I'm new here And I just tested the LP, so I only give my personal feeling. Lapierre is popular bikes in our country and their reputation is growing too.
    So, what you did finally ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Largoraf View Post
    Great ! Believe me, this bike is rocket and he is riding like a race bike. I like the team too but not in my budget, and the XR729 is a little bit too dark. What is the cost price for LP in your side?
    The Lapierre bikes are pretty reasonable prices here, I think the Team retails of around $8500 normally and the 529 is about $4300 (Australian dollars that is). For the weight and spec of the bike it's pretty good, especially as the 529 would be well under 11kg with light wheels on.

    Quote Originally Posted by waitejasoe View Post
    I started a thread about this a while ago. The responces were lukewarm to say the least.
    14 posts in half an hour and none prior to that... either add some substance to your post or it looks like you're spamming...

    Quote Originally Posted by Largoraf View Post
    I'm new here And I just tested the LP, so I only give my personal feeling. Lapierre is popular bikes in our country and their reputation is growing too.
    So, what you did finally ?
    I think waitejasoe is a spammer...

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    Well, when I tested the 529, originaly weight was11.5 kg (without pedals), but I tested it with American Classic RACE wheels, and it was pretty funny ! This is exactly what the bike needs, light and reactive wheels. American classic race weight was 1.380 Kg, perfect weapon !!
    The only negative point for me on the 529 is the Reba, that's it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Largoraf View Post
    Well, when I tested the 529, originaly weight was11.5 kg (without pedals), but I tested it with American Classic RACE wheels, and it was pretty funny ! This is exactly what the bike needs, light and reactive wheels. American classic race weight was 1.380 Kg, perfect weapon !!
    The only negative point for me on the 529 is the Reba, that's it...
    Yeah I agree, the stock wheelset on the 529 is around 2.3 - 2.4kg so with the race classics it would be around 10.5kg without pedals. That's awesome for the lowest spec in the range of XR bikes.

    I also prefer the SID over the Reba fork, but at the price the 529 retails at it's still a very nice looking bike.

    I really like the colour combination of the 729, stealth black. But it's not being imported into Australia, however I'm super happy I'm going to get the team.

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    With the Ei Shock?
    OMG 10.4 kg the team...tssttt you will fly with this bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Largoraf View Post
    With the Ei Shock?
    OMG 10.4 kg the team...tssttt you will fly with this bike!
    I don't think I am getting the EI shock, but yes 10.4 with a 1700g wheel set, so when I put on some Stans Race Golds for race days and some lighter tyres....

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    Keep me informed ! :-)

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    I will, I won't be getting the bike until early January though. Can't wait.

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    Same for me. I will have my Scalpel around the 10 Januaray, too long !!! Even if winter is really here, I want to ride with this new spad! In your side, it's summer time, mhhmmm...I saw your blog, nice ti ride there...

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    Great choice Lokisare. You have got your self onto a rocket there and it will do more than just XC as well. A super capable bike, I think you will be very happy.

    Most of the LP range rides really well and are very balanced - a pleasure to ride. They are very underrated and more capable than some of the bigger brands. I think these XRs will be special. Congratulations!

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    Hi guys - I too have ordered the 529 without a test ride - I'm in the UK and it proved impossible to find one in stock, let alone get hold of one to demo!

    My only concern was that it's 'too XC' to cope with some of the trails I'd want to use it just seems like such a good bike for the money relative to anything else I can find that I've gone for it anyway.

    In terms of upgrades - interesting point about the wheels, I didn't realise they were so heavy. Can anyone recommend a good (and very light) complete tubeless set up to upgrade to?

    I'd also upgrade to wider, carbon bars I think.

    One further question - would it be possible to add a dropper post and route it through the internal routing system or would the cabling have to stay external?

    Cheers

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    Try American Classic Race or ZTR Crest :-)

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    Hope make light and affordable wheels using stans rims, I think wiggle stock them (i know they do in 26"). Called the hope hoops.

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    thanks - they have them in 29er version too... looks good.

    Any advice on which bars to upgrade to? I'd like to get some wider, carbon ones but don't want to mess up the handling - not really sure how wide is sensible on a 'XC' bike..?

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    For 29, 650 mm minimum, maybe better to start with 680 as test! This is what I will do, make it shorter to 680 first

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    Quote Originally Posted by Turbo124 View Post
    thanks - they have them in 29er version too... looks good.

    Any advice on which bars to upgrade to? I'd like to get some wider, carbon ones but don't want to mess up the handling - not really sure how wide is sensible on a 'XC' bike..?
    Can't help with bars as I currently run 600mm so even 660 is wide to me. But my advice would be to test out the stock ones first as they might help you decide on width. Especially if it's your first 29er like me. Too wide is where you can't get between trees.

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    @Lokisare, you actually run with 600 on 29er? Really?

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    No sorry on my 26", I will not have a 29 er until January 7th. Then I will have to work out optimal bar width for 29 for myself.

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    Gutted... just been to pick up the bike I ordered and it doesn't fit! I ordered a small but there's no clearance above the top tube when I stand over it. Anyone else have this issue? Does it even matter? I sat on an Epic and Camber at the weekend and clearance was much better... so annoying as I had my heart set on the XR 529

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    How tall are you? What's your inseam? Can you straddle the bike at all? Does it matter, well I think it's a personal thing it's not something I would probably even think to check. How often do you find yourself in that position on the trails?

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    5'6 and 29", I can stand over it ok but it's a little bit too close for comfort to be honest... And yeah I guess it wont matter that often but it's more just knowing it's not perfect really.

    Think I might have to stick to a Specialized as they seem to have more standover height, or perhaps a Scott Spark but haven't managed to try one of those yet

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