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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Facetious?

    There's very little difference.
    I'm not joking Mike. Maybe its just the pic you posted but it looks like you have huge clearance compared to other Fox/Knard fits I've seen.
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    Couple pics of a White Bothers Loop. Rabbit Hole rim of course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nvphatty View Post

    muchas gracias fleanutz. are you able to tune the natural bounce aspect out of the knard with fork adjustments?
    Err, I guess so. Never really noticed. Just put enough air in it so the tire wouldn't hit the crown and rode it. I ride around 18psi in my 27tpi Knards for context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fleanutz View Post
    Err, I guess so. Never really noticed. Just put enough air in it so the tire wouldn't hit the crown and rode it. I ride around 18psi in my 27tpi Knards for context.
    Since fat bikers are accustomed to the natural 'bounce' behavior of fat tires on rigid frames the ride becomes a matter of PSI tuning much more so than your typical 2.3 tire so the 3.0 knard will also have this behavior to some degree but with a tuneable squishy fork one should be able to for all intense and purposes remove the bounce nature.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    This is a 2013 Fox 32. Knard is on a Blunt 35 at ~20psi. Plenty.
    Mike have you taken physical measurements of this setup?? ie 95mm, 97mm etc??
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    Krampus with Front Suspension!

    So do you need more rebound to dial out the tyre bounce?


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    Quote Originally Posted by simenf View Post
    So do you need more rebound to dial out the tyre bounce?


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    i suspect that would be the proper move but i was wrong once before.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Thor29 View Post
    The Surly Blog clearly shows pictures of the Krampus with a Fox fork. I'd really like to see pictures of how much clearance there is. The blog indicates that they were on the way to Interbike, so somebody must have seen something. Anyone out there know anything about this? If you can run a Fox fork with the Knard tire and Rabbit Hole rim, that changes everything.
    What is this good for?
    Surly gives us a bike which is perfect for riding rigid and first thing some people ask is how to mount a boring suspension fork.
    yaaaaaaaawn...

    Go home and learn to ride rigid or die.

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    I'll just inject this Lefty info to the mix and wander off...

    Modern Lefty with standard clamp spacing? Not so great clearance with the leg, with the RH/K, but works well with a Stans Flow.

    Older, non integrated or bonded clamp Lefty, with a set of Fat Clamps and the RH/K? No dice, too much offset.

    Same fork with a set of Project 321 normal offset clamps and the RH/K, perfect!

    Been running that on mine and loving it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DerBergschreck View Post
    What is this good for?
    Surly gives us a bike which is perfect for riding rigid and first thing some people ask is how to mount a boring suspension fork.
    yaaaaaaaawn...

    Go home and learn to ride rigid or die.
    The Surly guys themselves were doing it, so it can't be as blasphemous as you think it is. Besides, nobody is forcing you to buy a Krampus and put a suspension fork on it. I just hope that if you are such a badass that you also ride fixed gear off road with no brakes, because brakes and freewheels are "boring". And by the way, I am at home and I can ride rigid quite well, so I guess I don't have to die...

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    Quote Originally Posted by DerBergschreck View Post
    What is this good for?
    Surly gives us a bike which is perfect for riding rigid and first thing some people ask is how to mount a boring suspension fork.
    yaaaaaaaawn...

    Go home and learn to ride rigid or die.
    given we the public have choices at our disposal is a beeeeuuuuuuuutiful thing. Perhaps you believe it's perfect as is but others don't for their purposes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fleanutz View Post
    Just beware...



    Take all the air out of the fork and watch the crown hit the tire.

    Just my attempt at a PSA, be mindful of the catastrophic possibilities.

    That being said, I'll still ride it. Just with a touch more air pressure than normal. At least until I feel confident enough that I won't lose my teeth. Another guy around here actually bottomed the crown out on the tire while riding; lots of noise but no immediate stop or damage.

    My $0.02.
    I was using a Float 32 (26") on my 650B bike. Like your picture above, if you bottomed the fork it would hit the crown. I put a couple of the bigger zip ties around each stanchion to keep it from bottoming and never had a problem in nearly two years riding. Alternatively you could open up the fork & put something inside to limit travel 10mm or so.
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    I see these tires barely clearing the top of the arches. Do you guys know what happens when you hit your wheel hard against something? The bottom of the tire/tube compresses, and the top expands. This is something the fork manufacturers were very aware of and would always recommend against, because this is a show-stopper. You do this on a drop or hard hit and it's instant stopping of the front wheel. I wouldn't play around with most of these setups. Best would be to take a shorter travel version of a fork so it will have enough bushing overlap, and install some couplers to the bottom footnuts to extend the fork slightly. I've done this a few times now with marzocchi forks, although I'm sure it could be done to just about any.
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    Krampus with Front Suspension!

    That's why I like the lefty setup.


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    So the loop will fit no problems with rabbitholes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by x3speed View Post
    So the loop will fit no problems with rabbitholes?
    It fits but barely. I know White Brothers does not recommend it. If I used one I would just machine the arch out a little for more clearance.
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    It sounds pretty solid that RS will be releasing a suspension for for fatbikes this fall. That will have clearance for fat tires and wide rims so it should work with a RH/Knard. Hub width will probably we 135mm, but if they see a market in the 29+ area maybe they'll offer something for a standard width front hub?
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    Yeah, im just impatient

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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Hub width will probably we 135mm, but if they see a market in the 29+ area maybe they'll offer something for a standard width front hub?
    A 135mm front 29+ wheel wouldn't be a bad option though, unless you'e already got a front wheel laced up to a 100mm hub. From what I understand, the 135mm front makes a nice stiff 29er wheel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jstews View Post
    A 135mm front 29+ wheel wouldn't be a bad option though, unless you'e already got a front wheel laced up to a 100mm hub. From what I understand, the 135mm front makes a nice stiff 29er wheel.
    I've already got 2 at 100mm, but at this point that's not a deal breaker if I really want suspension on the Krampus.
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    I just bought a krampus, dt carbon fork. Waiting to see if a fat fork comes out at saddle drive or something else this fall

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    Knard 29+ with lefty

    Krampus with Front Suspension!-sawyer-knard-lefty-clearence.jpgKrampus with Front Suspension!-sawyer-knard-lefty-front-side.jpgI am running a lefty with a knard 29+

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    anyone else?
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    What rim on that lefty?

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    Bontrager rangers of my trek marlin

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    One of the LBS guys claims that the fox 34 has more clearance than the 32. Can anybody confirm this? Any differences between 2013 and 2014 forks? 100,120,140 clearance differences?

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    Id loveto know this also

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    Quote Originally Posted by jnl1105 View Post
    Bontrager rangers of my trek marlin

    Wow, those are rather narrow... how much do you weigh and what pressure do you run to reduce sidewall flop?

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    180-190 lbs. and still in the upper range still dialing pressures in......

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    When we test fit multiple forks at the shop the Fox 34 looked to be the best in the clearance category. Slightly better than the 32.
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    Has anyone tried with a Marzocchi Micro 44?

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    Thanks lancelot for sharing your findings! When you get your hands on the 29" Dirt Wizard, let us know how it fits the 32 & 34 forks. Thanks!

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    Anyone hear any release dates for the Dirt Wizard? I'm sure that I will pick one up and fill you guys in on fitment on my Fox 34.
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    Has anyone tried the Knard on a Velocity Dually yet? I really like velocity rims and the Dually is very intriguing since it has Velocities tubeless ready low profile bead lock designed into it.
    Additionally has someone given, a Marzocchi 29 Micro Ti or a Rockshox Reba XX 29 with the Knard on anything? More importantly on anything wider than a 35mm rim...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdcrisp View Post
    Has anyone tried the Knard on a Velocity Dually yet? I really like velocity rims and the Dually is very intriguing since it has Velocities tubeless ready low profile bead lock designed into it.
    Additionally has someone given, a Marzocchi 29 Micro Ti or a Rockshox Reba XX 29 with the Knard on anything? More importantly on anything wider than a 35mm rim...
    I don't think Duallys are out in the wild quite yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    I don't think Duallys are out in the wild quite yet.

    Soon......
    We're saying early fall right now, just to be safe. Keep your eyes peeled, we'll be sending out announcements when we have the first in stock.
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    Just finished adapting a maverick DUC32 to fir the Krampus.
    I had to machine an extension to the steerer nut, as the headtube length is so short, and I also machined up some longer travel reducers to take into account the larger wheel diameter....












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    DUC 32 with Knard

    What do you think you're getting for travel on the DUC now? I've got one of those in the garage and was thinking about doing the exact same thing, just didn't realize the headtube was an issue. Great post, and thanks for the pics!

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    The spacers are 45mm, and the top bottom out bumper is about 10mm, so travel is probably about 100mm.

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    any recent updates/news?
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    Only update from me is that the Rabbit Hole/Knard is a pretty tight fit in my 2014 Fox 34 but it totally works fine and can't feel or hear any rubbing. It will pack up with mud though if riding though any wet sections. Overall I'm stoked on it.
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    Yeah I have been on mine for about 3 months with a fox 34 talas and it's not coming off! What kind of pressures are u guys using I run between 15-18psi. Mine is on the front of my stumpjumper fsr ubber!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lancelot View Post
    Anyone hear any release dates for the Dirt Wizard? I'm sure that I will pick one up and fill you guys in on fitment on my Fox 34.
    Last I heard spring 2014.
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    This fork should be available soon.

    Krampus with Front Suspension!-img_0503.jpg

    RSD bikes had it on a bike and Interbike.

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    Any more info on that beast? ^^

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    Much like the upside down fat bike fork branded under a few names, this is Taiwanese catalog item, so expect to see sold by a few companies.

    15mm axle (I think), compression and rebound adjust, 100mm of travel, tapered steerer. Around $500 if I recall correctly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eMcK View Post
    This fork should be available soon.

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    RSD bikes had it on a bike and Interbike.
    Knardly! If the Dirt Wizards don't get me under their spell I might have to try this out.
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    Anyone try it on an x-fusion trace?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mxer View Post
    Anyone try it on an x-fusion trace?
    Though I would't like a Krampus with a suspension fork I say to all who like this: wait until spring 2014. I the printed Surly catalog 2014 one page in the "Trail bikes" area is blank and it is written that you should do exactly this: wait until spring 2014.

    If it is a new frame, the would have printed it.
    Why does the Krampus have a 44 mm steerer tube when there is no version with suspension fork planned? They have just do add a new 29+ fork with *enough* room for a 3" or 2,75" tire and the page is filled with content.

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    100mm fork available next spring:

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