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    Smile Kona 2012 & 1/2 titanium frame, the Raijin.


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    Looks like another Lynskey.

    That's not a bad thing but is there anyone else in the world that can compete with Lynskey in making production titanium frames?

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    So sexy! Looks like a great 44mm head tube 27.2 post hopefully. Great color scheme Top tube cable routing I just have such a hard time getting used to the downtube kink

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    that's my next SS
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    Dang, that's hot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bzo75 View Post
    That's not a bad thing but is there anyone else in the world that can compete with Lynskey in making production titanium frames?

    If you read the article from the blog link that the OP posted is says that the frames are manufactured by Lynskey for Kona.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshM View Post
    If you read the article from the blog link that the OP posted is says that the frames are manufactured by Lynskey for Kona.
    I'm guessing he knows that and is alluding to the fact that Lynskey is likely if not certainly the leading manufacturer of ti production frames, including other brands they manufacture for... which includes previous ti Konas.
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    Very cool. Somewhere there will be a Ti SS in my future. Nice to have another choice.
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    Meh, it will probably break.

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    I can't wait to see geo/pricing.

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    I see cable stops, too.

    All these Lynskeys in disguise just give me a better chance of ever owning the Litespeed I dreamed of circa 2000. Here's hoping this one comes stock with pretty slack angles.
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    Yeah, it is going to be interesting to see what Kona does with the geometry to differentiate it from the Ridgeline, Selma, etc.

    Any guess as to the weight?

    Cannot wait to see the specs.

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    Why would Kona even bother with Ti.? They already have a carbon and Scandium geared 29er and Scandium and CrMo SS's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mopartodd View Post
    Why would Kona even bother with Ti.? They already have a carbon and Scandium geared 29er and Scandium and CrMo SS's.
    Because I have wanted one so much for so long!!!

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    Wow, Kona is getting awesome.
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    It has a 69.5 head angle. That was what enticed me. Got a 20 on order.

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    Kona's definitely picking things up. Can't wait to see what else they have in store.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noot View Post
    Wow, Kona is getting awesome.
    Kona's been awesome for a good long while now.
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    I thought it curious that every dimension is given for the frame with the exception of the chain stay length.

    That's a Maxxis Ikon on the back, if I am not mistaken. Would have been a bit more confidence inspiring to have seen a Nobby Nic, like they have on the front, mounted in the back as well. Time will tell about that as well, I suppose....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusSommers View Post
    Got a 20 on order.
    Then you must know MSRP, enlighten us.

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    I like the geo. Looks like it gained a 1/2 pound over the Ridgeline.

    It will be interesting to see the pricing versus Lynskey's Ridgeline and the Lynskey welded Selma.

    Hopefully, they will make this bike a no-brainer for me.

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    my apologies for a mix-up on my end regarding ordering.

    mine's ordered as well!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    They can't be ordered yet... and as of last week MSRP as well as a few other details weren't fixed.
    They can be ordered. Wholesale cost has been set for a couple months, but some other details have not. The guys that wrote the story (Team Seagal) have had 8 on order out of a shop in St. Louis for a while now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djcrb9 View Post
    They can be ordered. Wholesale cost has been set for a couple months, but some other details have not. The guys that wrote the story (Team Seagal) have had 8 on order out of a shop in St. Louis for a while now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bzo75 View Post
    That's not a bad thing but is there anyone else in the world that can compete with Lynskey in making production titanium frames?
    Whoever welds titanium frames for bikesdirect in Taiwan does a pretty darn good job, IMHO. I am not talking about $$$ boutique stuff, obviously, that's a different story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djcrb9 View Post
    Because I have wanted one so much for so long!!!
    Well, I hope they make them then. Just sounds and feels alot like the Ti 26, the King Kahuna, back in 2007 & 2008 it showed up online in the catalog, but it was never produced for various reasons.

    I suppose it will be intersting to see what happens though.
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    $1500 and short stays so I hear

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Whoever welds titanium frames for bikesdirect in Taiwan does a pretty darn good job, IMHO. I am not talking about $$$ boutique stuff, obviously, that's a different story.
    These guys are making the Moto Ti frames. The welds on my frame look really good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JRR View Post
    $1500 and short stays so I hear
    So probably about £1500 in UK

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    Quote Originally Posted by urbiksux View Post
    I just have such a hard time getting used to the downtube kink
    I was thinking the same thing.

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    I wonder if I can get a post mount rear dropout like this for my Honzo?


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    Quote Originally Posted by JRR View Post
    $1500 and short stays so I hear
    Here's a few more details:

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    Quote Originally Posted by eauxgod View Post
    I wonder if I can get a post mount rear dropout like this for my Honzo?

    You will be able to very soon, yes.

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    Nice to see Kona doing a Ti hard-tail again. I used to have a Ti Hei Hei back in the day but I sold it in 1998. I regret to this day selling that bike. It was awesome.

    Will you be able to run this bike geared?

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    Made in the US and limited edition, eh?

    What's that bolt they used for fastening on the rear wheel?

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    Kudos to Kona

    Man, the guys at Kona are paying attention. There is so much right about this bike and I'm glad to see it come from Kona. Guys in the UK will swoon for sure, and all the Hei Hei/King Kahuna nostalgists will be loosing their minds right about now. If I lived in Gibsons or Cumberland, I'd have one of these on order in a New York minute.

    The price, angles, weight, stays...all hit the mark and the dropouts are the crown jewel. The bullets are sexy for sure.

    Look back at 20 yrs of Kona and think about the bike you still wish you had. Ti hardtail, right? Same thing here and the next 20 yrs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerryn View Post

    Will you be able to run this bike geared?
    Yes. It will come with a derailleur hanger on the sliding drops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRR View Post
    $1500 and short stays so I hear
    Kona site says $1,900 MSRP. Quite a bit steeper than what I was hoping for, but right in line with the Selma and Ridgeline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerryn View Post
    Will you be able to run this bike geared?
    Yes, the frame comes with both singlespeed and derailleur hangers.

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    What's the Geo going to be like on the smallest frame, I wonder?

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    What kind of bike is it?

    Is it a cross country, trail, all-mountain... If it is a all-mountain then is titanium a good material to be used for aggressive riding? Is this just a ti version of the Honzo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bzo75 View Post
    Is it a cross country, trail, all-mountain... If it is a all-mountain then is titanium a good material to be used for aggressive riding? Is this just a ti version of the Honzo?
    Don't get that impression as it's designed around 100mm forks not 120mm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bzo75 View Post
    Is it a cross country, trail, all-mountain...
    I think we need to make up another 'tweener category. what about all-mountry?

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    If it is a all-mountain then is titanium a good material to be used for aggressive riding?
    It's all-mountry, for which Ti is the ideal material, statistically speaking.
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    Is this just a ti version of the Honzo?
    Hmmm... designed around a 100mm fork, the ability to run a front derailleur, no ISCG, 27.2 seatpost, 1.5° steeper HTA, significantly lighter frame (not all attributable to Ti)... I'd say, "no." In fact, i'll go ahead and say it:
    No.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    I think we need to make up another 'tweener category. what about all-mountry?


    It's all-mountry, for which Ti is the ideal material, statistically speaking.

    Hmmm... designed around a 100mm fork, the ability to run a front derailleur, no ISCG, 27.2 seatpost, 1.5° steeper HTA, significantly lighter frame (not all attributable to Ti)... I'd say, "no." In fact, i'll go ahead and say it:
    No.
    Someone said "cross stuntry" to describe a bike to us once. How about that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    I think we need to make up another 'tweener category. what about all-mountry?
    cross mountry?
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    Quote Originally Posted by djcrb9 View Post
    Someone said "cross stuntry" to describe a bike to us once. How about that?
    i like it!
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    1.8kg for an 18"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bauhaus View Post
    Kona site says $1,900 MSRP. Quite a bit steeper than what I was hoping for, but right in line with the Selma and Ridgeline.
    Got a link?

    Edit: Never mind.

    2012 Sneak Peak – The New Titanium 29 Kona Raijin | Kona COG
    Due for release in early Spring 2012, the Kona USA product and testing group has been hard at work on a new titanium hardtail 29-inch wheel mountain bike – the all-new Raijin. With a long history in titanium design, and some serious expertise in designing unique, industry leading 29-inch wheel bikes, the new Raijin comes loaded with cool custom features, on a frame designed by Kona and manufactured in the USA by Lynskey Performance Designs.

    The Raijin (the Japanese god of lightning and thunder) is all about maximizing the inherent virtues of titanium with geometry ideally suited to fast, efficient, simple, and ridiculously fun singletrack riding. Our Kona USA product testers are loving every minute riding their prototypes, so much so we’re having a hard time keeping them in the office.

    The Raijin will be available as a frameset only in early April, 2012. Suggested retail is $1,899USD with a target weight of approximately 4-pounds (1.8kgs) for an 18-inch frame. It comes in a raw, industrial mill finish with lazer-etched graphics and features a stylish Kona engraved logo on the driveside chainstay yoke.

    The super sexy Raijin frameset is made using 3/2.5Ti tube material with a shaped downtube that is curved at the headtube. The design aims to perfectly balance the need for both stiffness and compliancy in a trail bike. We take all that we’ve learned in 29, hardtail and titanium bike design and create a trail master that channels rider forces perfectly, while at the same time using the compliant nature of titanium to take the edge of off trail feedback. All in all, a real gem of a bike, designed specifically for the discerning mountain cyclist.

    Some of the cool frame features on the Raijin include:
    * Press fit BB30 bottom bracket
    * 44mm diameter HT designed for a 1.5″ external lower cup for tapered fork, with a zero stack upper cup
    * Frame is drawn around 100mm fork using external 1.5″ lower cup
    * Sliding dropouts
    * Comes with both singlespeed and derailleur hangers
    * 27.2mm seat post
    * 5 frame sizes: 16″, 18″, 19″, 20″, & 22″

    Geometry Highlights (for 18″ frame):
    * Head tube angle – 69.5
    * Seat tube angle – 74
    * Bottom bracket height – 12.2″ (310mm)
    * Bottom bracket size – 773mm
    * Stack – 24.8″ (629mm)
    * Wheel base – 43.5″ (1105mm)
    * Reach – 16.3″ (415mm)
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    chainstay?

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    Titanium?
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