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    Smile Kona 2012 & 1/2 titanium frame, the Raijin.


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    Looks like another Lynskey.

    That's not a bad thing but is there anyone else in the world that can compete with Lynskey in making production titanium frames?

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    So sexy! Looks like a great 44mm head tube 27.2 post hopefully. Great color scheme Top tube cable routing I just have such a hard time getting used to the downtube kink

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    that's my next SS
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    Dang, that's hot!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bzo75 View Post
    That's not a bad thing but is there anyone else in the world that can compete with Lynskey in making production titanium frames?

    If you read the article from the blog link that the OP posted is says that the frames are manufactured by Lynskey for Kona.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshM View Post
    If you read the article from the blog link that the OP posted is says that the frames are manufactured by Lynskey for Kona.
    I'm guessing he knows that and is alluding to the fact that Lynskey is likely if not certainly the leading manufacturer of ti production frames, including other brands they manufacture for... which includes previous ti Konas.
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    Very cool. Somewhere there will be a Ti SS in my future. Nice to have another choice.
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    Meh, it will probably break.

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    I can't wait to see geo/pricing.

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    I see cable stops, too.

    All these Lynskeys in disguise just give me a better chance of ever owning the Litespeed I dreamed of circa 2000. Here's hoping this one comes stock with pretty slack angles.
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    Yeah, it is going to be interesting to see what Kona does with the geometry to differentiate it from the Ridgeline, Selma, etc.

    Any guess as to the weight?

    Cannot wait to see the specs.

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    Why would Kona even bother with Ti.? They already have a carbon and Scandium geared 29er and Scandium and CrMo SS's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mopartodd View Post
    Why would Kona even bother with Ti.? They already have a carbon and Scandium geared 29er and Scandium and CrMo SS's.
    Because I have wanted one so much for so long!!!

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    Wow, Kona is getting awesome.
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    It has a 69.5 head angle. That was what enticed me. Got a 20 on order.

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    Kona's definitely picking things up. Can't wait to see what else they have in store.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noot View Post
    Wow, Kona is getting awesome.
    Kona's been awesome for a good long while now.
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    I thought it curious that every dimension is given for the frame with the exception of the chain stay length.

    That's a Maxxis Ikon on the back, if I am not mistaken. Would have been a bit more confidence inspiring to have seen a Nobby Nic, like they have on the front, mounted in the back as well. Time will tell about that as well, I suppose....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusSommers View Post
    Got a 20 on order.
    Then you must know MSRP, enlighten us.

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    I like the geo. Looks like it gained a 1/2 pound over the Ridgeline.

    It will be interesting to see the pricing versus Lynskey's Ridgeline and the Lynskey welded Selma.

    Hopefully, they will make this bike a no-brainer for me.

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    my apologies for a mix-up on my end regarding ordering.

    mine's ordered as well!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    They can't be ordered yet... and as of last week MSRP as well as a few other details weren't fixed.
    They can be ordered. Wholesale cost has been set for a couple months, but some other details have not. The guys that wrote the story (Team Seagal) have had 8 on order out of a shop in St. Louis for a while now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djcrb9 View Post
    They can be ordered. Wholesale cost has been set for a couple months, but some other details have not. The guys that wrote the story (Team Seagal) have had 8 on order out of a shop in St. Louis for a while now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bzo75 View Post
    That's not a bad thing but is there anyone else in the world that can compete with Lynskey in making production titanium frames?
    Whoever welds titanium frames for bikesdirect in Taiwan does a pretty darn good job, IMHO. I am not talking about $$$ boutique stuff, obviously, that's a different story.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djcrb9 View Post
    Because I have wanted one so much for so long!!!
    Well, I hope they make them then. Just sounds and feels alot like the Ti 26, the King Kahuna, back in 2007 & 2008 it showed up online in the catalog, but it was never produced for various reasons.

    I suppose it will be intersting to see what happens though.
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    $1500 and short stays so I hear

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Whoever welds titanium frames for bikesdirect in Taiwan does a pretty darn good job, IMHO. I am not talking about $$$ boutique stuff, obviously, that's a different story.
    These guys are making the Moto Ti frames. The welds on my frame look really good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JRR View Post
    $1500 and short stays so I hear
    So probably about £1500 in UK

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    Quote Originally Posted by urbiksux View Post
    I just have such a hard time getting used to the downtube kink
    I was thinking the same thing.

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    I wonder if I can get a post mount rear dropout like this for my Honzo?


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    Quote Originally Posted by JRR View Post
    $1500 and short stays so I hear
    Here's a few more details:

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    Quote Originally Posted by eauxgod View Post
    I wonder if I can get a post mount rear dropout like this for my Honzo?

    You will be able to very soon, yes.

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    Nice to see Kona doing a Ti hard-tail again. I used to have a Ti Hei Hei back in the day but I sold it in 1998. I regret to this day selling that bike. It was awesome.

    Will you be able to run this bike geared?

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    Made in the US and limited edition, eh?

    What's that bolt they used for fastening on the rear wheel?

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    Kudos to Kona

    Man, the guys at Kona are paying attention. There is so much right about this bike and I'm glad to see it come from Kona. Guys in the UK will swoon for sure, and all the Hei Hei/King Kahuna nostalgists will be loosing their minds right about now. If I lived in Gibsons or Cumberland, I'd have one of these on order in a New York minute.

    The price, angles, weight, stays...all hit the mark and the dropouts are the crown jewel. The bullets are sexy for sure.

    Look back at 20 yrs of Kona and think about the bike you still wish you had. Ti hardtail, right? Same thing here and the next 20 yrs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerryn View Post

    Will you be able to run this bike geared?
    Yes. It will come with a derailleur hanger on the sliding drops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JRR View Post
    $1500 and short stays so I hear
    Kona site says $1,900 MSRP. Quite a bit steeper than what I was hoping for, but right in line with the Selma and Ridgeline.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerryn View Post
    Will you be able to run this bike geared?
    Yes, the frame comes with both singlespeed and derailleur hangers.

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    What's the Geo going to be like on the smallest frame, I wonder?

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    What kind of bike is it?

    Is it a cross country, trail, all-mountain... If it is a all-mountain then is titanium a good material to be used for aggressive riding? Is this just a ti version of the Honzo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bzo75 View Post
    Is it a cross country, trail, all-mountain... If it is a all-mountain then is titanium a good material to be used for aggressive riding? Is this just a ti version of the Honzo?
    Don't get that impression as it's designed around 100mm forks not 120mm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by bzo75 View Post
    Is it a cross country, trail, all-mountain...
    I think we need to make up another 'tweener category. what about all-mountry?

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    If it is a all-mountain then is titanium a good material to be used for aggressive riding?
    It's all-mountry, for which Ti is the ideal material, statistically speaking.
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    Is this just a ti version of the Honzo?
    Hmmm... designed around a 100mm fork, the ability to run a front derailleur, no ISCG, 27.2 seatpost, 1.5° steeper HTA, significantly lighter frame (not all attributable to Ti)... I'd say, "no." In fact, i'll go ahead and say it:
    No.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    I think we need to make up another 'tweener category. what about all-mountry?


    It's all-mountry, for which Ti is the ideal material, statistically speaking.

    Hmmm... designed around a 100mm fork, the ability to run a front derailleur, no ISCG, 27.2 seatpost, 1.5° steeper HTA, significantly lighter frame (not all attributable to Ti)... I'd say, "no." In fact, i'll go ahead and say it:
    No.
    Someone said "cross stuntry" to describe a bike to us once. How about that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    I think we need to make up another 'tweener category. what about all-mountry?
    cross mountry?
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    Quote Originally Posted by djcrb9 View Post
    Someone said "cross stuntry" to describe a bike to us once. How about that?
    i like it!
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    1.8kg for an 18"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bauhaus View Post
    Kona site says $1,900 MSRP. Quite a bit steeper than what I was hoping for, but right in line with the Selma and Ridgeline.
    Got a link?

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    Due for release in early Spring 2012, the Kona USA product and testing group has been hard at work on a new titanium hardtail 29-inch wheel mountain bike – the all-new Raijin. With a long history in titanium design, and some serious expertise in designing unique, industry leading 29-inch wheel bikes, the new Raijin comes loaded with cool custom features, on a frame designed by Kona and manufactured in the USA by Lynskey Performance Designs.

    The Raijin (the Japanese god of lightning and thunder) is all about maximizing the inherent virtues of titanium with geometry ideally suited to fast, efficient, simple, and ridiculously fun singletrack riding. Our Kona USA product testers are loving every minute riding their prototypes, so much so we’re having a hard time keeping them in the office.

    The Raijin will be available as a frameset only in early April, 2012. Suggested retail is $1,899USD with a target weight of approximately 4-pounds (1.8kgs) for an 18-inch frame. It comes in a raw, industrial mill finish with lazer-etched graphics and features a stylish Kona engraved logo on the driveside chainstay yoke.

    The super sexy Raijin frameset is made using 3/2.5Ti tube material with a shaped downtube that is curved at the headtube. The design aims to perfectly balance the need for both stiffness and compliancy in a trail bike. We take all that we’ve learned in 29, hardtail and titanium bike design and create a trail master that channels rider forces perfectly, while at the same time using the compliant nature of titanium to take the edge of off trail feedback. All in all, a real gem of a bike, designed specifically for the discerning mountain cyclist.

    Some of the cool frame features on the Raijin include:
    * Press fit BB30 bottom bracket
    * 44mm diameter HT designed for a 1.5″ external lower cup for tapered fork, with a zero stack upper cup
    * Frame is drawn around 100mm fork using external 1.5″ lower cup
    * Sliding dropouts
    * Comes with both singlespeed and derailleur hangers
    * 27.2mm seat post
    * 5 frame sizes: 16″, 18″, 19″, 20″, & 22″

    Geometry Highlights (for 18″ frame):
    * Head tube angle – 69.5
    * Seat tube angle – 74
    * Bottom bracket height – 12.2″ (310mm)
    * Bottom bracket size – 773mm
    * Stack – 24.8″ (629mm)
    * Wheel base – 43.5″ (1105mm)
    * Reach – 16.3″ (415mm)
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    chainstay?

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    Pancakes?

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    I see the plate on the chainstay and that usually spells chainring clearance. I am hoping a Sram XX 156 Q-factor crank might fit on there, right? djcrb9?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clink View Post
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    ^ Aerodynamic speed flap.

    It also keeps mud out of your face.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusSommers View Post
    It has a 69.5 head angle. That was what enticed me. Got a 20 on order.
    Well, then they get it I guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
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    Used to be a raccoon.

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    We sell Kona, and since both my main rides were involved in rigid riding related catastrophes this fall, I jumped when I saw the ability to snare a ti slider bike with a decent geo.

    Not sure of the MSRP, but definitely ordered.

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    Looks like very similar geometry as their Unit. Virtually the same wheelbase and bottom bracket height. And, if you put a 100 mm fork on the Unit, it would probably slacken the head tube angle from 70 degrees to 69.5.

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    So - chainstay length anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cocheese View Post
    I see the plate on the chainstay and that usually spells chainring clearance. I am hoping a Sram XX 156 Q-factor crank might fit on there, right? djcrb9?
    I would think so. We have two prototypes now, and one has only been singlespeed. I can't remember what cranks we put on the other, but there's pretty good clearance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcusSommers View Post
    I jumped when I saw the ability to snare a ti slider bike with a decent geo.
    Me too... and I was barely half-way looking for a bike.
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    Not sure of the MSRP, but definitely ordered.
    $1899, according to the Cog post linked above. Yep... it was a mix-up on my end.
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    It would look even better w/a bent seat tube, shorter CS and tougher chainstay/seatstay/drop out holders. those look flimsy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clink View Post
    So - chainstay length anyone?
    It's supposed to be slightly shorter than their Big Unit which is 17.1". So just under 17"?

    This is in no way an official response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slowridemo View Post
    It's supposed to be slightly shorter than their Big Unit which is 17.1". So just under 17"?

    This is in no way an official response.
    Thanks - hoping for 16.5-17" ish so sub-17" with chain tensioned.

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    I want one! Where can be ordered??

    PD: Head tube angle - 69.5 (with 100mm fork) very low... it's definitive?? Maybe better with 80 mm fork?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bzo75 View Post
    That's not a bad thing but is there anyone else in the world that can compete with Lynskey in making production titanium frames?
    Not since Sandvick/Ti sports stopped doing bicycles.

    They made the last batch of Kona Ti frames as well as Ti for a lot of other brands back when Ti was the leading edge material. And honestly I think they did a better job than Lynsky is doing currently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kerryn View Post
    Nice to see Kona doing a Ti hard-tail again. I used to have a Ti Hei Hei back in the day but I sold it in 1998. I regret to this day selling that bike. It was awesome.

    Will you be able to run this bike geared?
    Makes me glad that I've still got mine. I picked one up on closeout in 98 and had disc tabs welded onto it. Almost 15 years later and it's still hanging in the garage. It's lucky if I ride it twice a year but I know it means more to me than the $1000 I might be able to get out of the entire bike if I was lucky.

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    Downtube kinks >>> downtube dents (from fork crowns)

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    Quote Originally Posted by customfab View Post
    Just when I thought you knew everything
    lol... I don't like mud... which may come from the fact that if you ride in it around here you destroy the trails very quickly. plus our climate is drought punctuated by flash flooding...
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    Quote Originally Posted by grunge View Post
    I want one! Where can be ordered??

    PD: Head tube angle - 69.5 (with 100mm fork) very low... it's definitive?? Maybe better with 80 mm fork?
    Look at Kona's other new 29ers, they are moving to a slacker HT. I plan to test mine out with a 120 fork and maybe an angle set. I'll pretty much make my own ti Hozno with slightly longer CS..

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clink View Post
    Thanks - hoping for 16.5-17" ish so sub-17" with chain tensioned.
    with a straight seat tube welded directly to the BB shell and no CS yoke, I'm going to say it's longer than you're hoping for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    with a straight seat tube welded directly to the BB shell and no CS yoke, I'm going to say it's longer than you're hoping for.
    I don't see it hitting 16.5", but it should be shorter than the 17.1" on the Big Unit I'm riding now. The stays will be pretty short.

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    Quote Originally Posted by djcrb9 View Post
    I don't see it hitting 16.5", but it should be shorter than the 17.1" on the Big Unit I'm riding now. The stays will be pretty short.
    Sweet looking bike and spec. Seems like one folks may be talking about 10 years from now.

    I'm curious if the Raijin will have the same steepish 74d STA across all its sizes (like the Honzo) or if it will slacken on the larger sizes (like all Kona's other 29er HTs). I'd guess most us taller guys want a slacker seat tube angle than 74d and have no need for stays as short as 16.3" (like the Honzo).

    I can see myself splurging on this frame. On the other hand, I have a '12 Big Unit frame arriving in about 36 hours - weight/geo are nearly identical to the Raijin but at a quarter the price. I can live with hydroformed scandium. I think...
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    anything new?

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    I don't think it's gOnna happen. I posted on Konas Facebook wall and talked to the guys at The Path and right now it's still just a "concept" bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by appleSSeed View Post
    I don't think it's gOnna happen. I posted on Konas Facebook wall and talked to the guys at The Path and right now it's still just a "concept" bike.
    Strange. Everyone I have spoken to send available March...

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    I dunno man. I'm ready to preorder it, but can't get any specifics regarding sizing and geometry specifics. Mainly headtube angle, chainstay length (most important to me to differentiate it from the Selma which has better dropouts imo) and top tube length etc. I know geometry was posted, but certain numbers were left out and right now it looks too much like a Salsa or Lynskey for me to be too excited about it. (mostly because those are great bikes already)
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    RAIJIN UNITS SIZE TTH
    Fork - 100mm
    mm 406 572
    inches 16 22,5
    mm 457 597
    inches 18 23,5
    mm 483 610
    inches 19 24
    mm 508 622
    inches 20 24,5
    mm 559 648
    inches 22 25,5

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    Quote Originally Posted by djcrb9 View Post
    I would think so. We have two prototypes now, and one has only been singlespeed. I can't remember what cranks we put on the other, but there's pretty good clearance.
    Woo-hoo!

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    Really wish they kept the long top tube, short stem route of the Honzo. What is the stand over on the 22"?
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    Or better yet, make a 21" with a 25" top tube
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    UNITS SIZE TTH STA HTA RC FC WB FL OF AXLE BBH SO HT BBS FD STACK REACH
    mm 559 648 73° 71° ?? 695 1123 506 47 363 310 884 147 73 34,9 675 441
    inches 22 25,5 ?? 27,4 44,2 19,9 1,9 14,3 12,2 34,8 5,8 26,6 17,4

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    Hi Boude,

    could you post that for all sizes?

    Thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by appleSSeed View Post
    I don't think it's gOnna happen. I posted on Konas Facebook wall and talked to the guys at The Path and right now it's still just a "concept" bike.
    It's been ordered and is on the way. We've even ordered a second run of them, due in May or June.

    We'll see the first run in March.

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    It's been ordered and is on the way. We've even ordered a second run of them, due in May or June.

    We'll see the first run in March.
    Any more details? I really want to preorder but there are a few details that I want to be sure of like chainstay length, headtube height and tire clearance.

    Cheers

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dugs View Post
    Any more details? I really want to preorder but there are a few details that I want to be sure of like chainstay length, headtube height and tire clearance.

    Cheers
    RAIJIN UNITS SIZE TTH STA HTA RC FC WB FL OF AXLE BBH SO HT BBS FD STACK REACH
    Fork - 100mm mm 406 572 74° 68.5° ?? 664 1092 506 47 363 305 777 86 73 34.9 608 396
    inches 16 22.5 ?? 26.1 43 19.9 1.9 14.3 12 30.6 3.4 23.9 15.6
    mm 457 597 74° 69.5° ?? 676 1105 506 47 363 310 815 107 73 34.9 629 415
    inches 18 23.5 ?? 26.6 43.5 19.9 1.9 14.3 12.2 32.1 4.2 24.8 16.3
    mm 483 610 73° 69.5° ?? 678 1107 506 47 363 310 831 117 73 34.9 638 414
    inches 19 24 ?? 26.7 43.6 19.9 1.9 14.3 12.2 32.7 4.6 25.1 16.3
    mm 508 622 73° 70° ?? 680 1108 506 47 363 310 849 127 73 34.9 652 422
    inches 20 24.5 ?? 26.8 43.6 19.9 1.9 14.3 12.2 33.4 5 25.7 16.6
    mm 559 648 73° 71° ?? 695 1123 506 47 363 310 884 147 73 34.9 675 441
    inches 22 25.5 ?? 27.4 44.2 19.9 1.9 14.3 12.2 34.8 5.8 26.6 17.4


    The formatting sucks on these bulletin forums, so 16.9" chainstay when it's pushed. Head tube angle is 68.5 for the 16", 69.5 for 18" and 19", 70 for 20", and 71 for 22".

    Headtube height is 3.4", 4.2", 4.6", 5", and 5.8".

    Tire clearance is yes. Honestly, i don't know. We just stuck a 2.4" Ardent in there, and it fit, but with different rims, lower pressure, lots of mud buildup, it might get tight.

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    so 16.9" chainstay when it's pushed
    So 16.9" at full extension?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clink View Post
    So 16.9" at full extension?
    No. At the shortest length.

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    Think I'm sold now

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    Quote Originally Posted by colker1 View Post
    It would look even better w/a bent seat tube, shorter CS and tougher chainstay/seatstay/drop out holders. those look flimsy.
    Make it a Ti Honzo
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    Quote Originally Posted by djcrb9 View Post
    RAIJIN UNITS SIZE TTH STA HTA RC FC WB FL OF AXLE BBH SO HT BBS FD STACK REACH
    Fork - 100mm mm 406 572 74° 68.5° ?? 664 1092 506 47 363 305 777 86 73 34.9 608 396
    inches 16 22.5 ?? 26.1 43 19.9 1.9 14.3 12 30.6 3.4 23.9 15.6
    mm 457 597 74° 69.5° ?? 676 1105 506 47 363 310 815 107 73 34.9 629 415
    inches 18 23.5 ?? 26.6 43.5 19.9 1.9 14.3 12.2 32.1 4.2 24.8 16.3
    mm 483 610 73° 69.5° ?? 678 1107 506 47 363 310 831 117 73 34.9 638 414
    inches 19 24 ?? 26.7 43.6 19.9 1.9 14.3 12.2 32.7 4.6 25.1 16.3
    mm 508 622 73° 70° ?? 680 1108 506 47 363 310 849 127 73 34.9 652 422
    inches 20 24.5 ?? 26.8 43.6 19.9 1.9 14.3 12.2 33.4 5 25.7 16.6
    mm 559 648 73° 71° ?? 695 1123 506 47 363 310 884 147 73 34.9 675 441
    inches 22 25.5 ?? 27.4 44.2 19.9 1.9 14.3 12.2 34.8 5.8 26.6 17.4


    The formatting sucks on these bulletin forums, so 16.9" chainstay when it's pushed. Head tube angle is 68.5 for the 16", 69.5 for 18" and 19", 70 for 20", and 71 for 22".

    Headtube height is 3.4", 4.2", 4.6", 5", and 5.8".

    Tire clearance is yes. Honestly, i don't know. We just stuck a 2.4" Ardent in there, and it fit, but with different rims, lower pressure, lots of mud buildup, it might get tight.
    What? A slidding HTA based on size? Not interested. I'll just get a Carver with custom geo for a fraction of the cost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevada 29er View Post
    What? A slidding HTA based on size? Not interested.
    Who doesn't do that? You understand why that is, right?
    Or maybe not...
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    I'll just get a Carver with custom geo for a fraction of the cost.
    Carver makes some killer bikes.
    If you want one that some bonehead "customized" for increased tire clearance, there's one in the classifieds right now for $900.
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    Kona!

    Pre-Order one!
    20", planning on running her with a niner carbon fork. Wonder what the HTA will be then...anyone?
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    Why is the geometry so much different from normal XC bikes. 69 degree seat tube angle and 74 degree head tube angle makes it seem more suited to all mountain riding right?

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    Actually, I hadnt read the posts above but I have never seen other bike manufacturers change the head and seat tube angles with different sizes. I thought they were always consistent no matter the size.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pitze1mr View Post
    Actually, I hadnt read the posts above but I have never seen other bike manufacturers change the head and seat tube angles with different sizes. I thought they were always consistent no matter the size.
    IME many if not most do. it just makes sense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Truth! View Post
    Pre-Order one!
    20", planning on running her with a niner carbon fork. Wonder what the HTA will be then...anyone?
    I'm pre-ordered and paid up!
    Will also run it with a Niner carbon... thinking 70.5(ish), based on the "drawn around 100mm statement." could be a tick higher.
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