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    Cool-blue Rhythm It's not just about the Bike, but the journey to the bike also.....

    Long post........

    Where do I start......... Who knows, but will just launch into it...

    Have followed the big wheel movement for a good many years, will say have not ever thought negative of it, because I had not tried it....

    As they say "Don't knock it till you have tried it"

    At the same time, as us bikers do, we study bikes and the topic in general and through doing this, we always have favorites. Could be Bikes, frames, forks, shocks, or frame material etc etc etc...

    For me one thing has stuck in my mind for many years now, many many moons... This is the Jeff Jones Space Frame............. For me it is the epitome of cool, it is "Functional Art" in a hobbie that consumes me....

    I saw pictures, studied the website, watched the wait list, watched Jeff cease taking names on the wait list etc etc etc....

    One of the pictures that consumes me.



    I was still somewhat frustrated that I could not get on the waiting list so to speak. Back in April of this year, I read that Jeff Jones had worked an agreement with Merlin. There was a substantial thread on this toic, of which bought up many good points etc.new jones bikes made by merlin

    This to me was exciting, it may have opened a door to possibly get a Jeff Jones Ti 29'er SS........... MMMMMMMmmmmmm Yummy.....

    Time progressed, I always really enjoyed Aqua's posts of him on his Jones.. I then made contact with Aqua and said, I so want a Jones etc etc, he said, heck make contact with Jeff...... After some deliberation, I made contact with Jeff.....

    I emailed Jeff, I wrote pretty much what I have explained. Jeff replied almost immediately, he had actually been in Scotland at the SS Worlds... Jeff once again explained the wait list, 200 plus, and the fact that he makes some 10 frames per year and that he couldnt actually tell me how long it would take for him to build me a Jones... In my original email to Jeff, I told him about my my feelings of having a Jones made my Merlin, it would be great, but still wouldnt be a Jones... Am sure many will know what I mean.... Jeff in his reply stated that he himself was riding a Merlin built Jones.

    Jeff said I should give him a call and we can talk about things. I took Jeff up on this. We had a great talk, spent time on the topic of the Merlin making of the Jones frames... Jeff was not at all on the sell, am sure many will believe he will have been, but those that have talked to Jeff via phone or in real life, will know what I mean... He mentioned that the welds etc would more than likely be better than his etc etc. This all made sense to me....(thinking, thinking, thinking)

    A picture from Jeff's emails to me, a true favorite of mine......A good photo of a true free spirited cat...



    After going through things in my mind over and over........ I came to the conclusion that if I wanted a Jeff Jones Space Frame bike, I need to look seriously at the Merlin built Jones frames.... I decided I would go ahead with the Merlin built Jones frame. I by no means feel like I have sold out, I had to be realistic. I totally feel good about it, it will still be a Jones bike for me, its the ride characteristics I want from Jeff's designed frame first and foremost... In saying that, I would have not said no to Jeff building me one if he could....

    So with decision made, Jeff heard from me many times, measurements, riding style, terrain typed etc... It may well be worth while mentioning here that at present I am based in Spain on an assignment, home country being New Zealand. Of which I finish at the end of the calendar year. So the my Jones will be based in New Zealand, so had to look at the terrain and conditions for NZ, this was no problem at all..

    I then had to decide on options for the frame, EBB, SS, geared, geared 1 x 9, brake boss's, bottle holders, mudguard boss's, rack boss's etc etc etc.

    My frame will be a dedicate SS, no bottle cage, mudguard, rack mounts at all, no cable guides for gears. The front fork will have 2 brake boss guides, seeing as though I am going hydrolic disc brakes. I will have the possiblity to bolt on a rear der, if I so desire, I woudl then zip tie the gear cable to the rear stay... I dont want the ability to have ease of change to a geared bike....

    More pics from Jeff on the frame....



    A frontal view



    I got the frame ordered which comes with a seatpost, headset, stem. I of course ordered the H bars, and the front fork....

    I mentioned to Jeff that we can discuss other components etc once we get the frame order squared away....

    Jeff let me know that all was ordered and in place and that I shoudl have my frame in December this year... Yeah ha....

    I then put my thinking cap on re brakes, cranks, wheels etc.

    Jeff let me know that he had his own style of cranks, built from modified XTR cranks. See below.....



    I had in mind the new XTR cranks etc, along with FSA of which I use on my MotoLite, many things were going through my mind... I decided to go with Jeff's modified cranks... Hang, if he wasnt welding my frame, I wanted him to male everything else possible..

    Next choice was wheels, as I am a newbie on big wheels etc, I broached the topic with Jeff, and along with loads of reading from the 29er forum on here.... Jeff mentioned som new rims he had demoed from Salsa, that are really wide etc, Jeff rated these highly. One problem though, they are not released till Spring 08. See attached new Salsa rim. See Salsa's site for details. Salsa



    So to carry me over, I am going with Stans ZTR Flow rims, and from what I read and here, am not un happy about this decision.... Hubs, mmmmm, I have had a great run with Chris King hubs, along with Hadley, am having a great run with my Industry 9 wheels set as well... What to do... Well I decided to go with Chris King hubs... Oh sheesh, colour of the hubs. I have had blue, have red I9's, black Hadleys.. What to do.. I had decided that the hubs would be the only colour on the bike apart from black, silver and of course Ti.... I decided on Mango for the colour..... Jeff got these ordered, even emailed me when my hubs arrived.... Yummy me thinks...





    Spokes am going with DT SuperCompetition, 2.0/1.7/1.8mm (14/16/15 gauge). Black in colour.

    Wheels sorted....

    Brakes. This was an easy decision for me, am a Mugura lover, well not literally, but love their brakes. Have Marta SL's on my MotoLite, Marta on my DJ bike and Louise Carbons on my Nicolai.... So we are going with Marta SL's.... Easy for stocking pads and maintenance for me....

    Cranks and sprockets, so am going with the Jones modified crank with a 32T front sprocket, I will get 2 rear sprockets a 20T and a 21T. These will be Boone titanium cogs.



    Nearly forgot the saddle.... I have a Fizik on the MotoLite, really like them, so was exploring what saddle for the Jones... I decided to get a custom Fizik Aliante saddle, with a subtle splash of Mango in colour....



    All is set, all choices have been made, the waiting game is going down now... This what is not a bad wait though. Jeff is keeping in touch all the way, this makes this journey all the better and enjoyable... This week Jeff is working on the cranks, so he sent me some pictures.... This folks is true service.







    I know waiting very well, and to read of some of the waits people on here have had, my 7 months for my Nicolai was tame..

    Through this journey thus far, I have found Jeff to have super knowledge, with his firm beliefs, of which he discusses these well and is not at all pushy. Someone whom is living life under his terms, this for me is very very cool....

    Will post up more as time goes on, and of course the final build when I recieve it.... I may well go and meet Jeff to pick up the bike, it only see's fitting actually....

    And to take the Jones out for a ride with Aqua in Ca before departing LAX would be the ducks nuts!

    A favorite shot for me to finish with. Aqua you rock bro.....
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    Nice, wish I had 10 years worth of work on lock down

    That picture of him airing out the bike is great. I am always stoked on the action shots of him on his bikes. I can't imagine going that big on a rigid bike. Every time I have it hasn't ended well

    Enjoy the wait. Fortunately it won't be the full 10 years....
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    Don't...............

    Don't go without bottle cage mounts! At the least They are handy for holding the battery if You use a headlight. I did My own crank mod. and it is Sooooo much work but people love them!

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    Awesome post. Great pics. A very well thought out approach to building a bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe
    Have followed the big wheel movement for a good many years, will say have not ever thought negative of it, because I had not tried it...
    Sorry to spoil that part for you Fenton; hopefully it just served to whet your appetite!

    That bike is going to be unbelievable.
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    I hate you... enjoy the bike, comrade.

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    Nice choice on the hubs. I'm running Mango hubs and headset on my green CrossCheck. they really do set the bike off. Your build looks to be much cooler than mine though.

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    Congratulations!

    This is very exciting. I would love to get a ride on one of those some time. Have fun with the build process, looks like you have done some homework, and know what you want.

    I am intrigued by the hubs. I did not know that CKs now can be had with a regular disc mount on the rear SS hub....(mine have that silly adapter). I think you will like these hubs a lot...Mine have made me happy and are going through their 3rd wheel build now...and the only compliant I have is that silly adapter (which you do not have on yours).

    I think your build is going to be a lot like what I would have picked (FWIW), but I would probably have elected to have the bottle mounts just in case....and a crud catcher is not a bad option to have either.

    Keep us posted!
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    uugghhh, that's a dead cow. The dude is jumping over a dead cow. Hmmmm.

    Nice bike/piece of art.

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    Thank you for the comments

    Unit, yes am pleased I got the new SS hub with the regular disk mount. I have no issues going back to CK, have always treated me well.

    Surly Rider, cool to hear you are enjoying the Mango coloured hubs, in my travles have not actually seen the mango hubs in the flesh so to speak..

    croscoe, no offense taken bro, still pinching myself to ensure this is not a freak dream. I am sure it will be HUGELY enjoyable...

    miles e, nah bro, you spoiled nothing, you enhanced my excitement!

    vecsus, thanks bro, keep safe over there, will head to see my sister reletively close to you shortly in Israel before heading back home to New Zealand to live

    gearless, I hear you re bottle cages, have not used a bottle cage for so many moons on a mtb bike, do on my road bike of course, but far prefer to have stuff in my pack,

    AL29er, go you Sultan of swing....
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    Is this the same Jeff Jones that was a pro skateboarder?
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    Quote Originally Posted by power-san
    Is this the same Jeff Jones that was a pro skateboarder?
    Am not at all 100%, but have not seen anything or heard this, but who knows. Jeff for sure has a BMX background.....

    Someone will for sure let us know, but pretty certain it is a no...
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    Cant stop dreaming about this bike and the day it arrives, I am officially wanting for santa.....LOL
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    Congrats, Bro. The wait will be woth it. I remember waiting on my IndyFab with Jones H-bars and what I felt like when it finally got finished. Just like a kid at Christmas. I welcome you to the world of "BIG WHEELS"

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    Quote Originally Posted by EDDIE JONES
    Congrats, Bro. The wait will be woth it. I remember waiting on my IndyFab with Jones H-bars and what I felt like when it finally got finished. Just like a kid at Christmas. I welcome you to the world of "BIG WHEELS"
    Yes, found a picture of your IndyFab on the big 29er picture thread today, very sexy indeed. I am waiting in ancipation myself.....

    Thanks for the comments too, appreciated.....

    May get a treat tomorrow from Jeff, he may have built my wheels.....
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    May get a treat tomorrow from Jeff, he may have built my wheels.....


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    Well Eddie, will share the treat if he has, got to keep the thread alive until this baby arrives...........We love you though.....LOL
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    Man, that frame is an absolute work of art.....How many kidneys did you have to donate?

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    Well its like this, I thank the powers at be, seeing as though I am at present an expat on an assignment based in Spain, it has enabled me to fufill this dream... I have had another dream that is more out there than this one. It came true too....

    But yes it is expensive, but for me it is a oncer, this will be an item to give ones children...

    Dealing with a true gentleman helps the cost too, and the fact he is a genuine gentleman is even better.... This dude has integrity, honesty and a good aura..................
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    Whafe, what a great write-up and sweet ride!! It's cool to see a post of someone's experience with the whole Jones/Merlin frame process, very nice!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by miSSionary
    Whafe, what a great write-up and sweet ride!! It's cool to see a post of someone's experience with the whole Jones/Merlin frame process, very nice!!
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    Thank you, appreciate it..

    This wait is so pleasing compared to some other horrible waits I have had.

    I am totally comfortable with Merlin building the frame, have really had to get down off my high horse so to speak on that part. For me in the end it was my ego etc, so have said hey ego back off.

    This bike will still be a Jones, Merlin have not been involved with any part in working with the customer, purely going to weld this bad girl....

    Any way, I digress, dam easy to do with this bike....

    if there is anyone reading this that has a Jones, please post a picture in here, helps with my stoke... Yeah ha...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Whafe

    This bike will still be a Jones, Merlin have not been involved with any part in working with the customer, purely going to weld this bad girl....
    Well, technically, aren't they cutting, mitering, and shaping the tubes also? Not that this is a bad thing (in fact, it probably is a great thing). Merlin probably has some serious tooling to do this work very precisely.

    I know where you are coming from though, it will be a Jones, and one look will tell you that much!

    Have you asked if there will there be a serial number on this frame when it is done? I have (trivially) wondered about that one. Can you go custom on that aspect?
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    Quote Originally Posted by unit
    Well, technically, aren't they cutting, mitering, and shaping the tubes also? Not that this is a bad thing (in fact, it probably is a great thing). Merlin probably has some serious tooling to do this work very precisely.

    I know where you are coming from though, it will be a Jones, and one look will tell you that much!

    Have you asked if there will there be a serial number on this frame when it is done? I have (trivially) wondered about that one. Can you go custom on that aspect?
    Mmmmm as usual unit, you bring up some good points..

    Yeah you are right, indeed Merlin will be cutting and bending tubes etc etc.

    Good question too on the Serial Number aspect, i will ask Jeff about that. Will get back with the answer........

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    Have you emailed Boone yet? He is another Ti guy that is so backlogged, he stopped taking orders. He made my fiancee's engagement ring this past year, so I thought I had an in, but I was still shut down last week, and he said there is no plans to re-open orders unless his guy can get his orders back to caught up.

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    curious question about the Boone stuff, anybody know if their backlog is the result of mat'l sourcing problems? or is the demand just that high?

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    From discussion with Jeff, have not heard of any issues with getting my two Ti Boone Sprokets....

    Dont know enough to comment.. Am sure someone may on here, well lets hope so too..

    Not long to go now for me, cant wait, Jeff thinks the end of November... Cranks and wheels etc are done. My Saddle arrived from Fizik. Dam fast for a custom build saddle....
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    An update

    Jeff has told me that Boone is indeed snowed under so to speak. I will have my cogs by months end, so perfect timing really.

    Attached are some pictures of Jeff building my wheels. Yeah ha, no long to go











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    Am very much a happy camper..... Jeff let me know that all was on time at Merlin, frame should be finished by end of November..

    Have to say, this is all going perfectly, have never had a bike on time.... Cranks are sorted, wheels are built, Jeff has all the components in his workshop.... So waiting on the frame and Boone cogs / Sprockets....

    Roll on December..... Sheesh and at this stage I am not going to be able to get to the USA till 6th January......
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    Whafe, I would (selflessly) be willing to store your bike inside my house (maybe even in my bedroom) until you can make it here to pick it up. Oregon's only three states away from Montana after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by el-cid
    Whafe, I would (selflessly) be willing to store your bike inside my house (maybe even in my bedroom) until you can make it here to pick it up. Oregon's only three states away from Montana after all.
    Why thank you, indeed appreciate the offer. I am at this stage thinking that it iwll hang in Jeff's shop, I will then get it sent down to Ca and pick it up and hopefully ride with Aqua on his Jones.... Best game plan would be to get Aqua and cruise up to see Jeff and get the bike... But Aqua made some great points, the riding in Oregon will be pretty snowed in maybe....

    Will see, but I sure no the excitement is building..... This is one of those dreams that will come true, and they rate big time...
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    Oh yes, just heard from Jeff, the frames are arriving from Merlin, not mine yet, but any day. Perfect timing, Jeff always said first week of December.... Perfect really, wha t ajoy to have a bike sorted on time, a FIRST.......

    Should have a pic of the frame soon

    Yeah ha....................................
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    The level of service is mind boggling. Even with a 10yr waiting list on his hands he still takes the time to send you photos of the wheel build!

    That's good business

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    Quote Originally Posted by helgi
    The level of service is mind boggling. Even with a 10yr waiting list on his hands he still takes the time to send you photos of the wheel build!

    That's good business
    Hi helgi, you are so correct. It is mind boggling...

    This would be my 8th high end bike where you have to order ahead and frame be built etc, and every one had issues, one took 7 months, when was told 3, could go on an on....

    Every date Jeff has given has been perfect. Yep this is an expensive bike, that aside, I think it is Jeff's ethics. Some would call me strange, but I would be happy to pay more for bikes etc if the service was this good............... Also I note, that Jeff's wife whom is working the admin side etc is as great to deal with....

    Here is my finished wheels...... Not long now, am like a 4 year old waiting for Santa on Christmas Eve....
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    Great looking rollers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by croscoe
    Great looking rollers!
    Thanks for that.................. Yep, the Mango is going to be the only colour on the bike so to speak..................
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    Just saw this thread. Maybe, you Minty and I can hit some BC XC next summer on our new 29'ers? I was thinking FS 29'er, maybe http://www.astrixsports.com/monk.html or http://www.ninerbikes.com/rip9.html but that Jones is so incredible, it just leaves one speechless. Can't wait to see your stoke in person (someday!) when you can swing a leg over it. Let us know how the demo in San Diego goes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rdhfreethought
    Just saw this thread. Maybe, you Minty and I can hit some BC XC next summer on our new 29'ers? I was thinking FS 29'er, maybe http://www.astrixsports.com/monk.html or http://www.ninerbikes.com/rip9.html but that Jones is so incredible, it just leaves one speechless. Can't wait to see your stoke in person (someday!) when you can swing a leg over it. Let us know how the demo in San Diego goes.
    Great to hear from you. Yes no that total speechless feeling, have had that with this bike for years..

    That would be great to hook up again for BC... A real pain, really need 2 bikes to bring to the area...

    Make sure you book a slot now for a week in Whistler, for around end of CrankWorx...

    For sure will be letting you know how the demo goes in SD... Will be great to ride with another Jones for the first ride..... There could well be a 3rd Jones riding with us. More info on that if it comes to fruition....
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    Alright Fenton! Congrats dude and looking forward to the final pics and ride report w/Steve and special guest, enjoy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rroeder
    Alright Fenton! Congrats dude and looking forward to the final pics and ride report w/Steve and special guest, enjoy.
    I am looking forward to the pics also...

    Roll on January 5th I say, am stoked about it in case you hadnt noticed....
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    holy smokes your bike is gonna be cool.

    does anyone know the 'why' behind the fork design? the front 'arms' on the forks are intriguing, but i can't quite figure out why they are there.

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    Strength

    You ever seen the pics of JJ's flying off 10 foot drops on a rigid?

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    Strength and shock absorption as well I'd imagine (?)

    In case you should ever feel the need to huck it off a dead cow, for example

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    So a 10 year waiting list for a $7K frame, and the guy is building wheels, and polishing cranks? My local shop guy can do that.
    Me not understand.

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    I think it is because...

    Quote Originally Posted by mvi
    So a 10 year waiting list for a $7K frame, and the guy is building wheels, and polishing cranks? My local shop guy can do that.
    Me not understand.
    he can....and he probably likes what he does.

    I think Jeff is probably wise to produce at a rate he likes, and do what he wants with his free time....it seems to work well for him and afford him some time to be creative.

    I doubt that there are a lot of frame builders out there that do it for the vast monetary wealth it brings. For many, it is probably a way to do what they like to do and get paid enough to support their passions. Amping up production probably is not as fun as taking the time to make something that causes such a fuss on MTBR.
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    Dang...

    I've loved the Jones Space Frame ever since I saw the pictures of it from the NAHMBS. It's just so beautiful, especially all the details like the polished and trimmed XTR crank. My roommate thinks that it looks silly, but he is a naive fool... I would love to throw own one of those. I would have to sell my spider, my bianchi SS, my roadie, and my legs to get one though... hey, maybe the 10 year waiting list will work to my advantage though... I could start saving now...

    Congrats on a super amazing bike. I wanna see pics as soon as you have it...
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    If I took delivery of that bike, I'd have a hard time deciding to either ride it or just putting it at my living room as an art piece.

    Dang... Roll on January!!
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    I am near fizzing at the bung....................... January is nearly here............... Yeah baby.....

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    Jeff just sent through some pictures of my completed frame, I am speechless, it is sex on a stick, pure functional art....

    Cannot believe it, 2 frames in one day, am one spoilt Whafe today.....

    Enjoy the pics................... Roll on January 5th
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