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    Ibis Ripley 29er - At last, confirmed


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    Looks nice. Niner better get on the carbon RIP9 asap!
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    Very interesting design, certainly stands out from the other DW-Link 29ers and I like their choice of 120mm...Santa Cruz might want to look at a Tallboy LT soon!

    Funny they used the Ripley name since the originally "Ripley" is still in production...though under the Castellano badge.

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    Thanks God, it is ugly enough and not in the XC racing bike category so I won't have to fight against that invasive desire to replace my current bike

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    These eccentric links are a pretty sweet idea. Stiffer and lighter.


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    What an epic let down.

    More carbon trash, using the names of bikes that truly were nice and unique.

    I excited clicked the link hoping to see a pivotless softtail 29er, and saw another bore-o-matic carbon chi bike.


    As someone noted above, the Ripley name is still used by Castellano Designs, I thought they retained rights to that name, along with the Silk verbage, but I see the new "bought the name Ibis" company is leveraging that as well.
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    At least they beat some of the euros to market with a bike. Too bad it is so generic looking.

    I wish companies weren't just cranking these bikes out of molds but took time to give them some character that doesn't scream "I just popped out of a mold in Asia but it is a slightly different mold than all the rest!"

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    Very non-Dude post, ncj01. Carbon trash? Have you ridden any Ibis bikes lately? They make some seriously fun, efficient bikes. Tough ones, at that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncj01 View Post
    What an epic let down.

    More carbon trash, using the names of bikes that truly were nice and unique.

    I excited clicked the link hoping to see a pivotless softtail 29er, and saw another bore-o-matic carbon chi bike.


    As someone noted above, the Ripley name is still used by Castellano Designs, I thought they retained rights to that name, along with the Silk verbage, but I see the new "bought the name Ibis" company is leveraging that as well.
    Well Castellano uses the Fango name now (he owns the patents to many of the old Ibis models) ...maybe they should make a 29er version to satisfy the softtail desire.

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    I love it! Finally a carbon DW link bike.
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    I think I know what is going to replace my long travel 26er.

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    Oh, most excellent. My wishes might be fulfilled. Blogged about it a while ago on "What is Missing"
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    Awesome bike! Can't wait to see the geo numbers.

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    Rockcrusher, I suggest you look at the photos a bit more objectively. This CF frame has a very long list of design aspects that are different than a generic CF frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ncj01 View Post
    What an epic let down.

    More carbon trash, using the names of bikes that truly were nice and unique.

    I excited clicked the link hoping to see a pivotless softtail 29er, and saw another bore-o-matic carbon chi bike.


    As someone noted above, the Ripley name is still used by Castellano Designs, I thought they retained rights to that name, along with the Silk verbage, but I see the new "bought the name Ibis" company is leveraging that as well.
    Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncj01 View Post

    I excited clicked the link hoping to see a pivotless softtail 29er,
    Not sure if serious. They want to sell 100's of bikes, not dozens.

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    Carbon frame AM? No thanks...

    (mainly because I can't afford it! lol)
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    Quote Originally Posted by paleh0rse View Post
    Carbon frame AM? No thanks...
    All Mountain? Maybe. I was thinking another moniker. All Trail. Yeah, like we need another way to slice the pie, but I hope it is not AM slack.
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    Quote Originally Posted by paleh0rse View Post
    Carbon frame AM? No thanks...
    You tried any of the new Carbon AM frames? I have a 2010 Sworks enduro that would argue/contradict whatever anecdotal commentary is out there and have seen an ibis Mojo live through more rocky crash abuse than Ike Turner could put out...

    A DW link Carbon 120mm w/140mm front would just be a killer all around bike. Fast and capable for everything up to proper FR and DH.

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    I wish they would make a Tranny 29er!

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    I am going to give carbon bikes another 20 years before I trust them. Until then, lugged steel, solid tires and lever-actuated derailleurs will do just fine for my velocipede excursions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMH View Post
    Until then, lugged steel, solid tires and lever-actuated derailleurs will do just fine for my velocipede excursions.



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    Man, what a bunch of negative nellies!! Good on ya Ibis. More sweet 29er Fully options to rock our boats. As for all the carbon trashing, what are you all Amish?.

    I love my Tallboy, but wish it had some of the features of the Ripley. 142mm rear, bb92, 120mm travel.

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    If you want a pivotless softtail 29'er, give John a call. He and Steve Potts can probably help you.

    I really liked my Fango and I like and respect John and his designs, but I don't believe that he ever marketed a Ripley. Even though the Fango is still up on his site, I'm pretty sure than it has been years since any were built. It took as much work to process an order on a Fango as it did on a SilkTi or BowTi, but there was much more profit on the Ti frames, so they were a better target for his time and efforts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ncj01 View Post
    What an epic let down.

    More carbon trash, using the names of bikes that truly were nice and unique.

    I excited clicked the link hoping to see a pivotless softtail 29er, and saw another bore-o-matic carbon chi bike.

    As someone noted above, the Ripley name is still used by Castellano Designs, I thought they retained rights to that name, along with the Silk verbage, but I see the new "bought the name Ibis" company is leveraging that as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frorider View Post
    Rockcrusher, I suggest you look at the photos a bit more objectively. This CF frame has a very long list of design aspects that are different than a generic CF frame.
    I just feel that someone should break the aesthetic of the molded sculpted carbon frames that china is cranking out.
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    Bike looks awesome! On the buy list!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockcrusher View Post
    I just feel that someone should break the aesthetic of the molded sculpted carbon frames that china is cranking out.
    function over form maybe?

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    It's not like Dave Turner, Sherwood Gibson, the Niner gang and others have stopped producing excellent alloy 29er frames, it's just that building in carbon allows a different kind of freedom when it comes to matching material placement with stress pathways. Just as the switch from steel to aluminum made oversize tubing both necessary and available, the switch from metal to composite involves a further step away from the traditional ways that material has been added to or subtracted from the frame structure.

    My take on it is that if/when ALM/3D printing materials and methods are available that can match the strength/weight ratios of those currently in use that we will probably see more frames that look like the new Ibis and Niner carbon frames, both in metallic, nylon-based and possibly even in (non-shattering) ceramic materials.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockcrusher View Post
    I just feel that someone should break the aesthetic of the molded sculpted carbon frames that china is cranking out.
    molded and sculpted is what results when engineers design for good strength:weight.

    most modern cars have aerodynamic shapes to improve fuel mileage and reduce wind noise. sure, it means that many modern cars look somewhat similar, but there are aesthetic differences.

    I find it ironic that you posted this about one of the CF frames that has some unique design features. That large bridge connecting to the rear shock eyelet, for example. The seatube/BB/eccentric mount area is also highly engineered and unique-looking.

    Form follows function and in this case, at least based on the pics, the result looks pretty elegant and will sell well I'm sure.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Serenity Now View Post
    Man, what a bunch of negative nellies!! Good on ya Ibis. More sweet 29er Fully options to rock our boats. As for all the carbon trashing, what are you all Amish?.

    I love my Tallboy, but wish it had some of the features of the Ripley. 142mm rear, bb92, 120mm travel.
    No Kidding. There are gobs of sick carbon am bikes that are stiffer and stronger than their aluminum or steel brethren. Look at the Carbon Nomad, Carbon Enduro, Mojo HD, etc., etc, etc.. Hell, Trek is coming out with a Carbon downhill bike in 12 “the 2012 Session”. I agree, great work IBIS!! I have a Carbon Tallboy and I want another Carbon 29er with more travel. I think a 5” travel carbon 29er would sell like hotcakes. That will be my next bike. Can’t think of anything better than a fox34 140mm on a 5” travel carbon 29er……………….That is a do anything bike that will still climb well! A LT tallboy would be sick as well!

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    Super impressive. The similarities to the SB-66 is very evident.

    That is the smallest DW linkage that can be made huh? Crazy! Love it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by frorider View Post
    I find it ironic that you posted this about one of the CF frames that has some unique design features.
    Agreed. A bike comes along from an innovative company that shows creative thinking and new approaches, yet all some posters can talk about is cosmetics and pathetic materials prejudices. You can only talk about what you know...

    If you want cosmetic innovation there's the JET9 RDO but Ibis seems intent on building a better "carbon RIP9" that Niner fans were asking for. With all the claims of weight savings, I'm eager to see some geometry and weight numbers.

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    Badass build.


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    Ibis confirms HTA: 71 degrees with a 120mm / 69.5 degrees with a 140mm fork.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daner View Post
    If you want a pivotless softtail 29'er, give John a call. He and Steve Potts can probably help you.
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    Looks cool ...can't wait to ride one.....next year!
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    I think it looks great, and really very little like the carbon FS 29ers I have seen, I will say the Direct mount front derailluer on the rear triangle looks interesting.

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    My friend has a Mojo HD and it is really sexy looking bike, I was hoping the 29er version would look similar. The main triangle looks fugly but the rear triangle and short links do look nice though. Not too impressed with the looks but I am sure it will be a great trailbike. I will wait til a RIP carbon comes out to decide.

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    I wrote a short piece on it and put up a ton of photos of the bike and my factory tour a few months back.

    I got the chainstay length and head angles right even as I talked to Heim.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    I wrote a short piece on it and put up a ton of photos of the bike and my factory tour a few months back.

    I got the chainstay length and head angles right even as I talked to Heim.

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    Sorry francois, must have missed your post. Good work on the dimensions you provided though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dry Side View Post
    Ibis confirms HTA: 71 degrees with a 120mm / 69.5 degrees with a 140mm fork.
    71 and 69.5? Sorry - weak sauce.
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    Quote Originally Posted by spadmike View Post
    I wish they would make a Tranny 29er!
    +1

    This but a 29er in the back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cutthroat View Post
    71 and 69.5? Sorry - weak sauce.
    I don't know how "weak" that is, but I'll admit I am somewhat surprised it isn't a bit slacker.

    That said, it will appeal to a wider audience, (I'm thinking Europe), with these numbers.
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    Looks nice to me. Love the geo where the HTA is not too slack for a 29er trail bike. Hope the BB is not too high.

    Moving away from traditional bearings is a great idea, kinda of like Turner.

    Will likely be on my short list of frames for 2012.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    I don't know how "weak" that is, but I'll admit I am somewhat surprised it isn't a bit slacker.

    That said, it will appeal to a wider audience, (I'm thinking Europe), with these numbers.
    ??? I thought Europe was behind the US in terms of 29er acceptance, not to even mention the idea of longer travel FS 29ers. So isn't Europe a smaller audience? I can't see the logic in a 120mm bike with a 71 degree angle, but I suppose someone will like it.
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    Hot Damn! I really like this bike! I wouldn't get into the AM 29er thing....yet. But I can see a really light bike (for a 120mm 29er) with a more XC build.

    It does look a little bit like a rumblefish though....I always thought ibis was gonna keep the 2 oval shape of the mojo with this one. All in all I think it's a Fresh new look for Ibis and it's awesome!

    Wondering if the excentric idea's gonna trickle down to the other bikes ibis has (thinking Mojo HD?)
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    The more I look at it....it lost the IBIS bling...looks like my Tallboy and every other carbon 29er...
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    Quote Originally Posted by nolan17 View Post
    My friend has a Mojo HD and it is really sexy looking bike, I was hoping the 29er version would look similar. The main triangle looks fugly but the rear triangle and short links do look nice though. Not too impressed with the looks but I am sure it will be a great trailbike. I will wait til a RIP carbon comes out to decide.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker72 View Post
    Well Castellano uses the Fango name now (he owns the patents to many of the old Ibis models) ...maybe they should make a 29er version to satisfy the softtail desire.
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    There's a video overview of the frame with Castellano somewhere here on MTBR, as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cutthroat View Post
    ??? I thought Europe was behind the US in terms of 29er acceptance, not to even mention the idea of longer travel FS 29ers. So isn't Europe a smaller audience? I can't see the logic in a 120mm bike with a 71 degree angle, but I suppose someone will like it.
    Was a smaller audience. Eurobike is awash in 29"er entries now, and my thinking is that with a 120mm fork, this Ibis will retain somewhat of a Trail bike handling feel, which is right up Europe's alley. Slacker, longer bikes, not so much.

    So, yeah- It might seem like a weird thought at first, but if you can tailor the Ibis to the Euro market somehow, and Ibis being an American brand with a heritage going back to the early days of mtb, I think it is a good fit for them.

    Not what I would have thought good for the North America market only, but there will be plenty of takers even with the seemingly slightly steep-ish geometry for long travel that is becoming more the norm here.
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    I couldn't be more excited for this bike! Probably one of the most elegant full suspension designs I have ever seen. The eccentric pivot design is so stinking awesome, and you know that you can count on the geo of the pivots by Mr. Weagle to provide a perfectly behaved and balanced ride. Add to that the compact factor, protected from direct spray from wheels, and 130 grams lighter than traditional linkages and it's just a beautiful thing. I can not wait to order this! Ibis guys - y'all killed it!

    P.S. Can I run an angle set in it without exceeding designed FOS for head tube stresses?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dry Side View Post
    Ibis confirms HTA: 71 degrees with a 120mm / 69.5 degrees with a 140mm fork.
    REALLY? Just seems overly steep for that travel...like the shortish CSL though for a DW link bike.
    Last edited by ripley; 09-17-2011 at 08:31 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brownni View Post
    P.S. Can I run an angle set in it without exceeding designed FOS for head tube stresses?
    They specifically mention the CC AngleSet in the overview text on their website. Sounds like a green light to me.

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    Just looked it up. That's a damn nice bike. Have fun riding!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockcrusher View Post
    At least they beat some of the euros to market with a bike. Too bad it is so generic looking.

    I wish companies weren't just cranking these bikes out of molds but took time to give them some character that doesn't scream "I just popped out of a mold in Asia but it is a slightly different mold than all the rest!"

    There old man rant over...wait...get off my lawn!
    You must have missed the awesome concentric pivots and adjustable bushings?

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    When I saw the Yeti SB 66, wow, nice suspension design, then I ask myself, how about two eccentric pivots? How will that work. Now the idea materialized!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by cutthroat View Post
    ??? I thought Europe was behind the US in terms of 29er acceptance, not to even mention the idea of longer travel FS 29ers. So isn't Europe a smaller audience? I can't see the logic in a 120mm bike with a 71 degree angle, but I suppose someone will like it.
    He probably means U.S. + Europe is a larger audience than U.S. alone.

    Still I fail to see the connection between Europe and steep head angles...
    if anything, it's the opposite, many euro-branded 29er are slacker than their U.S. brethren
    scott scale 69,5° HA
    Bergamont 70°
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    and that's for XC hardtails!
    Euros weren't into designing 29er when 72° HA where all the rage, so they're freed from old designing habits.

    Besides, 71° for a 120mm is nothing new, think RIP (OK, it's 70.5), Diplomat, Horsethief...

    but I agree it doesn't really make sense, unless you're a flatland biker that marketing guys (or mtbr forums!) tricked into believing that you need a 120mm full sus 29er...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wedge View Post
    He probably means U.S. + Europe is a larger audience than U.S. alone.
    I would submit that it doesn't matter what I think, but that Ibis sees it that way, (or anybody showing 29"ers there at Eurobike sees it that way), which seems to be the case judging from all the entries into the 29"er market.

    Still I fail to see the connection between Europe and steep head angles...
    if anything, it's the opposite, many euro-branded 29er are slacker than their U.S. brethren
    scott scale 69,5° HA
    Bergamont 70°
    Rose 69,5°
    Ghost 69°

    and that's for XC hardtails!
    Euros weren't into designing 29er when 72° HA where all the rage, so they're freed from old designing habits.
    I wasn't saying that. I am suggesting that Europe isn't all about slack geometry, (slacker than your examples, and not what some folks here are suggesting is "slack" for FS 29), and long travel full suspension bikes in the five inch plus range.

    I wasn't inferring that European designers liked steep angled bikes at all.

    Besides, 71° for a 120mm is nothing new, think RIP (OK, it's 70.5), Diplomat, Horsethief...
    Exactly. Which is why some here are disappointed, and why I was a bit surprised that the Ibis wasn't more relaxed than these models you point out which are seen as too steep by many here.

    but I agree it doesn't really make sense, unless you're a flatland biker that marketing guys (or mtbr forums!) tricked into believing that you need a 120mm full sus 29er...
    Not sure I understand this comment, so I will leave this to you to explain more clearly, should you want to.
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    Be interesting to see how this rides. Love the "feel" of the Mojo but I'm really partial to the big wheels these days. So this could be an answer. The DW link designs are always solid.

    The Yeti Switch is a great design and this is using some of the same thinking.

    If this pedals well it would be a great choice for my 29er full squish that I've been dreaming of.

    I'm with Rockcrusher on the generic look. Maybe the production models will get some cosmetic love

    Anyone heard anything better than "But not in 2011" for delivery?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wedge View Post
    that you need a 120mm full sus 29er...
    We need bikes? We need FS?

    Pretty sure we just need water and a decent calorie intake, the rest is optional... So however people want to accessorize, more power to 'em since its their choice how to allocate their resources.

    If you don't like the options, there are custom builders out there for what you WANT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2dopler View Post
    Anyone heard anything better than "But not in 2011" for delivery?
    I believe I read they're waiting until they have frames ready to announce a date. With the SL-R delays, they probably don't want to commit to a date and not be able to meet it.

    I'm guessing/hoping for early spring 2012.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thefriar View Post
    We need bikes? We need FS?
    No
    Pretty sure we just need water and a decent calorie intake, the rest is optional...
    And some love too!
    So however people want to accessorize, more power to 'em since its their choice how to allocate their resources.
    Actually I think we agree here. I'm just pointing out that people's perception (including me most of the time) of what is adequate equipment (for what they want to do) is often delusional
    If you don't like the options, there are custom builders out there for what you WANT.
    Yes, but a carbon DW-link full susser with a slack HA will have to wait...
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    Quote Originally Posted by wedge View Post

    Besides, 71° for a 120mm is nothing new, think RIP (OK, it's 70.5), Diplomat, Horsethief...

    but I agree it doesn't really make sense, unless you're a flatland biker that marketing guys (or mtbr forums!) tricked into believing that you need a 120mm full sus 29er...
    I think I get your drift - "flatlanders" could probably make do with a hardtail, steep angled XC bike, but for the rest of us in steeper rockier terrain, a 120mm is just at the threshold of the travel and geometry we "need" - my 100mm Sultan is pretty much hanging in the work shop getting jealous as the Behemoth is doing all the work - This Ibis will be competing with designs like the Satori IMO, and losing that fight for the 29er trail/am segment. Curious about the other geo numbers like CS length ST angles, stack and reach - etc. Not to prejudge on half baked info, but this seems like another mixed up tangle of dated 29er geometry forced into a "longer" travel concept. I really like the bushing linkage however.
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    Quote Originally Posted by customfab View Post
    only thing I don't like is the press fit BB.
    I don't necessarily not like it, but it does look odd how the thin looking BB shell lacks structure around it. I'm sure its stronger than it looks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted View Post
    I would submit that it doesn't matter what I think, but that Ibis sees it that way, (or anybody showing 29"ers there at Eurobike sees it that way), which seems to be the case judging from all the entries into the 29"er market.



    I wasn't saying that. I am suggesting that Europe isn't all about slack geometry, (slacker than your examples, and not what some folks here are suggesting is "slack" for FS 29), and long travel full suspension bikes in the five inch plus range.

    I wasn't inferring that European designers liked steep angled bikes at all.



    Exactly. Which is why some here are disappointed, and why I was a bit surprised that the Ibis wasn't more relaxed than these models you point out which are seen as too steep by many here.



    Not sure I understand this comment, so I will leave this to you to explain more clearly, should you want to.
    What I meant is that if anyone is happy with a 71° Head angle for any given trail, having 120mm of cush at the same time is probably a waste.
    But clever marketers (or peer pressure in the case of forums) are always suggesting that more is better and that one's old hardtail with its 71° HA is now obsolete and he really should get a 120mm bike with the same HA.

    I'm not sure I'am any clearer, but so be it...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wedge View Post
    What I meant is that if anyone is happy with a 71° Head angle for any given trail, having 120mm of cush at the same time is probably a waste.
    But clever marketers (or peer pressure in the case of forums) are always suggesting that more is better and that one's old hardtail with its 71° HA is now obsolete and he really should get a 120mm bike with the same HA.

    I'm not sure I'am any clearer, but so be it...
    Okay, I understand you now. Thanks. I don't agree with your premise, but that's another discussion.
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    the Ripley has a nice short 17.5 inch chain stay length and 2 water bottle mounts
    with a 140 fork this thing will rip

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbmitch2 View Post
    the Ripley has 2 water bottle mounts
    Do people still use water bottles?! I'm sold.
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    I've bashed my Anthem X29 on rocks a few times and was wondering what would have happened if the frame was carbon.

    Anyone bash their AM carbon frames on rocks and survived.

    I don't think carbon and rocks get a long too well... I could be wrong though!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtroy View Post
    All Mountain? Maybe. I was thinking another moniker. All Trail. Yeah, like we need another way to slice the pie, but I hope it is not AM slack.
    The only thing I've ridden that's All Mountain slack was my WFO built up with a 2006 Dorado. And while it was slack, it was not 31 pounds Maximum All Mountain light with an 8 pound coil and oil fork.

    I'd say 120mm puts it in "trail' category, and the carbon will allow the bike to be 2.5 - 3 pounds lighter than some of the 120mm aluminum versions in the build.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Pink57 View Post
    +1

    This but a 29er in the back.
    You need a Carbon AirStream trailer.

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    LOL! What a troll.

    Get you troll facts right- Scot Nicol- founder, heart & soul of Ibis.
    Bought his company back after it was run into the ground. New team of forward looking designers. If you thought it was going to be an old school silk ti you've been living under a rock.

    Quote Originally Posted by ncj01 View Post
    What an epic let down.

    More carbon trash, using the names of bikes that truly were nice and unique.

    I excited clicked the link hoping to see a pivotless softtail 29er, and saw another bore-o-matic carbon chi bike.


    As someone noted above, the Ripley name is still used by Castellano Designs, I thought they retained rights to that name, along with the Silk verbage, but I see the new "bought the name Ibis" company is leveraging that as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy View Post
    You need a Carbon AirStream trailer.
    That's the official Ibis Cycles AirStream that they use for races, shows, etc. Classiest support vehicle ever!

    Also, I believe that 69er Tranny is Scot Nicol's personal ride

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shalom View Post
    Sorry francois, must have missed your post. Good work on the dimensions you provided though
    That would be because you beat me on this scoop by several hours. What you doing awake so early?

    I saw this pieces of this bike last year as Hans Heim showed me around the Ibis facility. But he confiscated my camera and erased my memory.

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    Why isn't there a 140mm version on the rear? A nice sleek carbon 140mm 29er would be great. Why do all 29er versions of some renowned bikes always get less travel in the rear?

    Specialized 140mm STJ FSR becomes 130mm in a the 29er variety. I ask why? Wheels are not stroke you know.

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    All mountain? I intend to use mine as an XC racer as I did my Ibis Mojo and now currently my Tallboy. When properly set up for I found the Mojo to be much better for racing than my 3" and 4" travel bikes.

    I have been waiting for this bike and cannot wait to ride it. If it is even close to what they did the the Mojo SL and HD it should be a winner.

    The new arrangement of the DW link looks intersting... very compact.

    My current ride is great... but I a quite sure the new Ibis will be even better
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    I’ve been waiting to see what this bike would be and in my mind had it built up into a pretty big deal… I think it might be better than I imagined.

    I will agree that I would have hoped for something slightly slacker with a hair more travel, similar to my current Stumpy FSR 29er, but with a 140mm fork and maybe an angle head set to tweak to taste, all should be well.

    I think the complaints about looks are unfounded and a bit silly. Sure, I like a pretty bike, but never at the expense of performance. And you can’t see it while you’re ridding it anyway; perhaps some are concerned about how they look to others in the forest. Although I doubt the squirrels and moose really care. Personally I think it’s a great looking bike, less artsy than other Ibis bikes, more purposeful and focused on function.

    As a mechanical engineer I’m impressed with the eccentric pivots. I have penciled a few designs of this type in reference to single pivot suspensions and I would say that if this design proves to be reliable it is verging on brilliant.

    The only down side I see is this bike is WAY out of my price range, especially if it is built up with the carbon wheels and other high end parts that it deserves. But a mans got to have a dream, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn View Post
    They specifically mention the CC AngleSet in the overview text on their website. Sounds like a green light to me.
    Yes, Ibis loves angleset and they prescribe that for those who want slacker head angles.

    link: Cane Creek Cycling Components :: AngleSet Threadless Headset

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    That would be because you beat me on this scoop by several hours. What you doing awake so early?

    I saw this pieces of this bike last year as Hans Heim showed me around the Ibis facility. But he confiscated my camera and erased my memory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by slocaus View Post
    Those New Zealand guys are known early risers!
    Yes. The joys of being the first to see the sun each day.

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    So who wants to wager with all the negative feedback with the steep head angle that it get changed for production to 70°.

    What where they thinking. I have a hard tail 29er with a 71° head angle that I wish was slacker.

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    Anthem X 29er is a good trail bike at 71 degrees but granted it has longer chainstays. Always thought a 120 version of the Anthem X with same geo would be great. I like my 26ers slack [ 67 ish] so have never considered a Mojo . But the Anthem x 29er handling is spot on for carving corners.

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    anyone remember the mojo HD history? Ibis mysteriously focused on a 68 HA during development, and then Lopes came along and said you guys are retarded -- slacken it to 67 at least.

    During all this, I assume that Dave Weagle tapped Ibis on the shoulder and said 'dudes, DW rides high in the travel, so all else being equal you should go for a slacker static HA, not a steeper one'. This is a very real effect. Riding my VP2 nomad, which tends to ride deeply sagged, and then riding a 160 mm fox / mojo HD for a day, proved this to me at least.

    Mojo HD gets released. Pretty soon I notice owners are short-shocking it and converting it to 140 mm rear travel. Not because they want less rear travel -- who would, on an AM bike? -- but because the 140 conversion gives it the kind of angles that work well for what most would consider the riding category/terrain that the mojo HD was intended to target.

    So all in all I'm not surprised that Ibis has announced a 120 mm 29er XC/trailbike with a stock HA steeper than what a lot of buyers would want. The CC anglesets have had their share of issues...creak, creak, creak...but I guess I'd buy a Works COmponents angled headset if I buy the Ripley.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bedell99 View Post
    So who wants to wager with all the negative feedback with the steep head angle that it get changed for production to 70°.

    What where they thinking. I have a hard tail 29er with a 71° head angle that I wish was slacker.

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    I'd like to see that you are right.

    I'd like to add my vote for a slacker head angle. My first 29" bike/hardtail is a Banshee Paradox and has a 69º head angle with a 120mm. fork and short chain stays. I wouldn't want it any steeper. I'm interested in now getting a 29" full suspension. Besides the HA this bike looks really interesting, although I still have some reservations about carbon fiber.
    The trouble with having an open mind is that people will insist on trying to put things in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie View Post
    I'd like to see that you are right.

    I'd like to add my vote for a slacker head angle. My first 29" bike/hardtail is a Banshee Paradox and has a 69º head angle with a 120mm. fork and short chain stays. I wouldn't want it any steeper. I'm interested in now getting a 29" full suspension. Besides the HA this bike looks really interesting, although I still have some reservations about carbon fiber.
    Although I'll be quick to jump on the 'make it slacker' bandwagon, to be fair, it's hard to compare the geometry of a hard tail to a full suspension bike. If you're running a 120 mm fork with your 69 degree head angle, let's just say that you get on the bike with 25% fork sag. That will immediately steepen your head angle a little over one degree, making it 70+ degrees - and that's still just static.

    Your Paradox seems rather XCish to me with only a 69 degree head angle with a 120 mm fork. That's not to far off of what a Specialized Stumpjumper HT would be with that fork.

    On a full suspension bike with nearly equal front and rear travel, the front and rear sag, and the head tube angle may stay nearly the same.

    Where things get really tricky when comparing the FS and HT is climbing and descending (especially super steep stuff), where weight shifts may cause one end to sag considerably more or become unweighted. So I'm just suggesting to be cautious when comparing geometry between FS and HT bikes.

    The HT 29er that I normally ride is 68.5 degrees with the fork at 95 mm, and 67.5 degrees with the fork at 120. YeeHaw! I hated riding 29ers until I rode one with a slack HA, short chainstays, and a low bottom bracket. I just started on another frame with a half degree slacker head angle and slightly shorter chainstays (going to around 16-1/2 to 16-5/8").
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    Everybody keeps focusing on that 71 HA with a 120mm fork and ignoring the 69.5 HA with a 140mm fork.

    If you want slacker than 71, you can have it. I'm guessing Ibis will sell it with both forks as options.

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    Is it compatible with the Angle Set?

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    Right. Set it up for XC with 120mm or Trail with a 140mm. My preference is for the steeper HA for more aggressive steering as I spend far more time climbing.

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    Anyone fancies another frame with 140mm rear travel? I tought this one would be 140mm with fox 140mm. We've gotten another undertraveled 29er frame. Mojo has 140mm so why not Ripley ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidcopperfield View Post
    Anyone fancies another frame with 140mm rear travel? I tought this one would be 140mm with fox 140mm. We've gotten another undertraveled 29er frame. Mojo has 140mm so why not Ripley ?



    Well I could post some nonsense about market forces and minimum units but the truth is they don't give two shits about what you think they should do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidcopperfield View Post
    Anyone fancies another frame with 140mm rear travel? I tought this one would be 140mm with fox 140mm. We've gotten another undertraveled 29er frame. Mojo has 140mm so why not Ripley ?
    maybe you should buy some skillz instead of 20mm more travel...

    the HA looks steep on paper, but my 71' RIP only feels too steep in the worst steep nasty junk, where anything but my full on DH bike would feel steep.
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    HTA: A frame with120mm rear travel looks to me like it is going to be a trail bike, not an AM bike. Slacker HTAs on AM bikes are great for high speed, straight on bombing, and also for hucking. I like a trail bike that is quick and can carve sharp, fast turns. I ride a 130mm dualie with a 69 degree HTA and it takes a lot of body english and a grippy, slow knobby tire up front to stick fast, sharp turns.

    A slacker HTA will surely stablize the front end and give you endo-proofing, and a couch-like ride, but you're already getting a lot of that with a 29" wheel.

    When I ride my friends 26" bikes with HTAs in the 68 degree range they feel twitchy to my 29er with a 70 HTA. I have more endo proofing, and stability with my 70.

    Overly slack HTAs on 29" wheel trail bikes are a problem that is being generated by marketing and the notion of creating "stability through the rough stuff". Problem is it comes at a the price of very slow handling on tighter trails. Take a rider with some skill and a relatively steep HTA and that rider will have no problem hanging with a rider on an equivalent bike with a slack HTA on the downhills. Put those two riders on fast, tight, curvey trails and the rider with the slack HTA will get left in the dust.

    Agreed, you don't want a HTA too steep, especially with a lot of travel. The 71 degrees on a 120mm fork is likely too steep. But lets not push for too much. 70-70.5 would be just about right.

    Yes, most of this is opinion, but some of it is physics. Once a HTA is too slack, the front wheel will "push" and "wash out" on hard cornering too soon at a given speed. Excessive body english and an excessily slow, fat front tire are the bandaids that make up for it. Ever wonder why there is always so much talk on these forums about finding a front tire that "hooks up"? Front tire washout is a product of the overly slack HTAs you see on too many bikes.

    Seriously, what is all the fascination and benefit of a slack HTA on a trail bike?

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    Does anyone know how does the HA changes 1.5 degrees based on either a 120mm or 140mm fork? I thought the general rule is that 20mm-25mm will change the HA by a degree.

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    As I said I asked who fancies another option of 140mm, not replacing 120 with 140mm. Ibis has several stroke ranges for kiddie wheel so why not for 29ers?

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