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    I Beg You, More MONSTERCROSS

    I have dug through all the old monstercross threads and am lusting for more info. I want anything you've got monstercross (less than 2.0 tires and drop bars) related.

    Favorite monstercross gear would be great. Photos and ride reports would be even better. Show me your rigs, tell me your tales, give me something to read while I should be working.

    I'll seriously take whatever you've got on the subject, and if you own one of these beasts and live near Nashville, I'd love to hit you up for a test ride.
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    It'll never be enough monstercross. I'll post some photos from my collection when I'm feeling less lazy. I have an embarrassingly large number of saved photos of drop barred 29er/cross bikes.

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    Did you run across my old pics? Here are some in case you didn't:
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    Nat, you are my HERO!!!!!!

    Is that at dt swiss 240 single speed hub with some gears on it. I posted about a week ago about wanting to run that on a Surly Cross Check. You have just about the exact bike I want.

    Let's see, I want the same:
    Frame
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    Brake Levers
    Hubs

    But I do want some bonty 1.8s for some more cush (coming from front suspension). And about that rear hub, I wanted to run a disc brake version so I could affix a fixie cog for a rear wheel that could serve fixie, single speed, and geared versions. What do you think, as I see you've done at least two of the three combos.

    Oh, and do you live close enough for me to test ride that rig? Wishful thinking I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleeveless
    Nat, you are my HERO!!!!!!

    Is that at dt swiss 240 single speed hub with some gears on it. I posted about a week ago about wanting to run that on a Surly Cross Check. You have just about the exact bike I want.

    Let's see, I want the same:
    Frame
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    Hubs

    But I do want some bonty 1.8s for some more cush (coming from front suspension). And about that rear hub, I wanted to run a disc brake version so I could affix a fixie cog for a rear wheel that could serve fixie, single speed, and geared versions. What do you think, as I see you've done at least two of the three combos.

    Oh, and do you live close enough for me to test ride that rig? Wishful thinking I guess.
    Rock out with your c0ck out! I heart this bike. That is a DT ss hub with a 5 cog cluster. I ran it SS a bit this summer but eventually switched it back to the 10 speed setup. Mostly I like using the old school down tube shifters on friction mode. It's geared 32-36 up front and 12-14-16-18-20 in the back.

    I also have a set of fatter tires (Mythos CX I think) that were nice but the problem there was the front cantis couldn't open wide enough to remove the front wheel. I had to deflate/inflate the tire every time I wanted to take the wheel off, and that got to be too much of a nuisance.

    I don't ride fixed , so I can't comment on that configuration.

    We live a long way from one another but if you were here I'd let you ride it. I bet you won't be disappointed when you build yours up similarly.

    Edit: The Mythos CX tires are what's shown in the above pics. Note the front tire width and how the cantis won't open widely enough. I now have skinnier-yet-cushioney WTB All Terrainosaurus tires on it. 700c x 35 maybe?

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    Is 5 cogs the limit you think?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleeveless
    Is 5 cogs the limit you think?
    If I remember right, 5 cogs took up the entire freehub width. I combined a triplet of cogs from a 9-speed cassette and a doublet from an 8-speed cassette (or was it vice-versa?).

    Sorry my answers are so vague. I built this bike up last winter and I've forgotten the details since I don't really dwell on equipment once I get a bike set up. I can go look at any specific detail you'd like but not now...it's night time...and the garage is dark and cold...and I'm getting sleepy.

    I had a mountain rack with pannier for a bit. I forgot why I took the rack off, but it was pretty great.

    I know I really like riding it. My wife also likes riding it too. She probably uses it more than I do in commuting to her work.

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    number one: your description above the avatar seems to be a little misleading considering this past post

    number two: thanks for the quick answers so far and i look forward to talking to you more about it. i have some questions about sizing and the fact that you aren't running a "super riser" stem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleeveless
    number one: your description above the avatar seems to be a little misleading considering this past post

    number two: thanks for the quick answers so far and i look forward to talking to you more about it. i have some questions about sizing and the fact that you aren't running a "super riser" stem.
    What, "29 and single?" I just use that because every once in awhile I catch someone who actually thinks I'm 29 years old and am looking for a date. I ride other bikes including 26ers, road bikes, and gearies (oh the horror!). I know. I know.

    Right now I can't even recall which size frame it is. I found that stem at JensonUSA (or was it Cambriabike?). Could I be more useless? Jeez!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleeveless
    Is 5 cogs the limit you think?
    I recently asked the helpful guys at Speedgoat this question. This was the response:

    The hub has a 15mm wide freehub body on it. DT Swiss said that dependent upon
    what cogs and spacers are used you can fit between 4 and 5 cogs.

    Thanks!
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    Nat, that's a really cool bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Go Kart Motzart
    Nat, that's a really cool bike.
    Hey thanks. Did you guys note the tennis racquet grip?
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    Nat - what size is that? Lots of headset spacers, but perhaps that is a fact of life with the Surly Crosscheck sizing options.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat
    Hey thanks. Did you guys note the tennis racquet grip?
    I did ! I was just getting ready to ask. Do you have to buy 2 grips worth? Any harder to wrap or finish?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleeveless
    I ...... am lusting for more info. I want anything you've got monstercross (less than 2.0 tires and drop bars) related.

    I'll seriously take whatever you've got on the subject,
    Well, this is 2.0 size tire, not <2.0, but it's as good an opportunity as any to fly Old Glory.

    Giddy up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by MMcG
    Nat - what size is that? Lots of headset spacers, but perhaps that is a fact of life with the Surly Crosscheck sizing options.
    I can't recall. I'll try to look it up later today. I seem to like my bars higher than most so I needed more spacers. The final version has a higher rise stem and fewer spacers than what you see in these pics.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Swami Scott
    I did ! I was just getting ready to ask. Do you have to buy 2 grips worth? Any harder to wrap or finish?
    Two grips worth just barely fits if I stretch it. I ended up using four grips worth and transitioned beneath the hoods.

    I found it about the same as bike tape to put on.

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    Check out the Lalonde brother's blogs...they both just got their custom monstercross bikes from Bob Brown Bicycles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat
    Hey thanks. Did you guys note the tennis racquet grip?
    Seriously? I like that.

    That is a nice looking CC Nat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tamjam
    Seriously? I like that.

    That is a nice looking CC Nat.
    Thanks. Tennis grip feels way better than bike tape, and it's designed for people with sweaty hands. Mine aren't so sweaty but the tape gets tackier when damp.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat
    Thanks. Tennis grip feels way better than bike tape, and it's designed for people with sweaty hands. Mine aren't so sweaty but the tape gets tackier when damp.
    Not to dwell too long on the subject of your grips, but what brand is that? I am looking for similar in red for my commuter build.

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    So has there ever been a monster cross built without a 45 degree stem and 40mm of spacers? Meaning...who's built a custom monstercross eliminating the need for the spacer/stem to gain all the reach?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Padre
    So has there ever been a monster cross built without a 45 degree stem and 40mm of spacers? Meaning...who's built a custom monstercross eliminating the need for the spacer/stem to gain all the reach?
    See the links that I posted above...you have to scroll down through the blog postings, but there are pictures of the bikes. The Lalondes are fairly normal height though so they don't need the bars very high (compared to you at least Padre).

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    Here's my Monster-X coming from the other direction. It's a stock Trek 520 touring bike with the fattest tires I could stuff into the fork.







    I've posted the images before, so I'll take a moment to review the tires. These are Ritchey SpeedMax (iirc) 700x40c tires on the fat touring rims the bike came with.

    They are incredibly quiet and smooth on pavement. I notice the extra weight a bit vs. road tires, and the top speed is somewhat slower. The edge knobs don't inspire the same confidence in turns that my road tires do, so I tend to turn more deliberately when leaning the bike.

    These have been very tough on the trails so far. The first time out I tried airing them down too much and, after snakebiting a couple tubes, road 3 miles back w/o any air in the rear. The tire didn't look worn at all and has held up since. I've had them on some quite rocky and occasionally sharp trails, and they don't show any significant wear yet.

    Some rocks (but smooth ones here):


    There are limits to the dirt traction, but they are surprisingly high, even with 65lbs of pressure. I've only been in hardpack, some loose over hardpack, gravel and some rocky bits; I can't comment on the wet/mud aspects of the tire, though.

    All in all, I've been surprised with their capability on both trail and road.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sleeveless
    I want anything you've got monstercross (less than 2.0 tires and drop bars) related.
    Sorry for the crummy garage pic's. Mine fits 700x44 Mutano's...
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    Go here:
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    Scroll down a bit to "Sparkly and Shiny". More updates comin' soon.

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    My Retrotec, built for Nanos. Maybe I'll try a narrower tire with more aggressive tread in the winter.
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    Yet another CX bike with as big a tire as I can cram in there experiment. Clearly, the fork has more than enough clearance for a Conti Vapor 1.9. The rear will barely, and I mean barely, fit a Ritchey Zed 42c. Still rolls though. A 40c Speedmax would fit for sure. I'll have to get one of them for the rear. Admitedly, the bike rarely sees this set up though. I've got a route planned where bigger tires like this would certainly help. Something Guitar Ted would be interested in(you listening??) participating in. I think Donkey has or had a Kelly set up exactly like this too, but his was that cooool Toothpaste color.
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    So we've got this Trek 700 Multitrack in the garage hooked up to a trainer right now. It is my girlfriend's bike. It features 700c wheels and a entry level SRAM Drivetrain, one of those adjustable stems and some "cruiser" like bars. There is plenty o room for wider tires with more aggressive tread. I was thinking of a stem replacement and some Midge or Space Bars or maybe Inverted Mary's to breathe a little life into it. Worth it or not?

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    Good job!

    Quote Originally Posted by Nat
    Rock out with your c0ck out! I heart this bike. That is a DT ss hub with a 5 cog cluster. I ran it SS a bit this summer but eventually switched it back to the 10 speed setup. Mostly I like using the old school down tube shifters on friction mode. It's geared 32-36 up front and 12-14-16-18-20 in the back.

    I also have a set of fatter tires (Mythos CX I think) that were nice but the problem there was the front cantis couldn't open wide enough to remove the front wheel. I had to deflate/inflate the tire every time I wanted to take the wheel off, and that got to be too much of a nuisance.

    I don't ride fixed , so I can't comment on that configuration.

    We live a long way from one another but if you were here I'd let you ride it. I bet you won't be disappointed when you build yours up similarly.

    Edit: The Mythos CX tires are what's shown in the above pics. Note the front tire width and how the cantis won't open widely enough. I now have skinnier-yet-cushioney WTB All Terrainosaurus tires on it. 700c x 35 maybe?
    Nat:

    That first line has me crack'in up That has to go on a T Shirt somewhere...LOL!

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    here's a few from the archive, these don't belong to me, sorry if posting these here offends the owners.
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    a few more. the gray one is mine.
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    trek 520 offroadies unite!

    Quote Originally Posted by cartographer
    Here's my Monster-X coming from the other direction. It's a stock Trek 520 touring bike with the fattest tires I could stuff into the fork.

    I've posted the images before, so I'll take a moment to review the tires. These are Ritchey SpeedMax (iirc) 700x40c tires on the fat touring rims the bike came with.

    They are incredibly quiet and smooth on pavement. I notice the extra weight a bit vs. road tires, and the top speed is somewhat slower. The edge knobs don't inspire the same confidence in turns that my road tires do, so I tend to turn more deliberately when leaning the bike.

    These have been very tough on the trails so far. The first time out I tried airing them down too much and, after snakebiting a couple tubes, road 3 miles back w/o any air in the rear. The tire didn't look worn at all and has held up since. I've had them on some quite rocky and occasionally sharp trails, and they don't show any significant wear yet.

    Some rocks (but smooth ones here):


    There are limits to the dirt traction, but they are surprisingly high, even with 65lbs of pressure. I've only been in hardpack, some loose over hardpack, gravel and some rocky bits; I can't comment on the wet/mud aspects of the tire, though.

    All in all, I've been surprised with their capability on both trail and road.
    (fairly new poster)

    Rock on! my current steed (for just about everything) is also a trek 520 (maybe even the same year- 2002?), but I stripped out all the gears and run it fixed/single with an ENO eccentric. Also, midge bars with a crazy riser/stem set up. When i'm feeling offroady i shove 700x40 WTB Allterrainasauraus's in there, but i've also been surprised with the amount of stuff you can do with 700x28 slicks.

    picture one is me trackstanding with the fat tires, from denali np in alaska. I rode the gravel road into our campsite instead of paying the outrageous fare for the bus:

    picture two is with slicks, but it gives you an idea of the setup (also from alaska):

    sometime soon i'll buy a casseroll to take over the fixed/ss duties and return the trek to its geared state. If i stick with midge-type drop bars i'll get a hunter custom stem hold them properly.
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    one last image, Rudi Nadler at one with his bike.
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    Man, you guys are making me wish I had never sold my old Voodoo, which ironically, is the bike that got me into 29ers. I loved the speed with which it allowed me to climb, but it was too harsh when the trail got rough. I stuffed the fattest tire I could in (44c) and still wanted more. Sold it to fund my first 29er frame. Would love to have it back. It would definitely have a steeper stem and Midge bars on it by now.
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    A few

    Three of Ye Olde Willits...

    Gone for a few years and only recently replaced.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jtill
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    Rock on! my current steed (for just about everything) is also a trek 520 (maybe even the same year- 2002?), but I stripped out all the gears and run it fixed/single with an ENO eccentric. Also, midge bars with a crazy riser/stem set up. When i'm feeling offroady i shove 700x40 WTB Allterrainasauraus's in there, but i've also been surprised with the amount of stuff you can do with 700x28 slicks.
    --snip--

    If i stick with midge-type drop bars i'll get a hunter custom stem hold them properly.
    Mine is actually a 2000, but it's not like they changed anything in the past couple decades Some year, I might actually take it touring, but up till now it's been a road/dirt/kid-trailer-towing machine. I think it would be great for the Denali road; the fork does a great job handling that kind of surface.

    I'm seriously considering changing out the bars, as it can get rough hanging on with vertical drops. Something like the new WTB dirt drops might give me just enough flare for comfort without killing my road-riding.

    Happy riding in the frozen north!

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    This thread ROCKS!!!!!! Keep 'um comin'...

    Question for you monstercorss folks, how is it trying to bunny hot stuff with drops? I bunny hot stuff all the time on my road bike (because that's how MTBers do it on the road) but always from the hoods. Riding drops with a MTB one rides in the drops and not the hoods.
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    I thought I would join too! Niner MCR w/ midges. Only have about 10 rides on this with minor fit tinkering with stem and stack height every couple of rides. I believe the fit is right on for my intended use and terrain. Very fun to ride!
    After the sb8's wear out I plan on going to a smaller tire. CX or smaller XC with some cornering tread. Something in the 42-48mm range. I will keep lurking on the forums to help choose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hokeypokey3
    I thought I would join too! Niner MCR w/ midges. Only have about 10 rides on this with minor fit tinkering with stem and stack height every couple of rides. I believe the fit is right on for my intended use and terrain. Very fun to ride!
    After the sb8's wear out I plan on going to a smaller tire. CX or smaller XC with some cornering tread. Something in the 42-48mm range. I will keep lurking on the forums to help choose.
    Tim
    Hokeypokey, I am planning on running the Bonty 1.8's (already bought though I don't even have the frame yet) on my Cross Check. They are a sweet tire and apparently the limit of what the CC will take. Right in the middle of your range (45c) so you might want to check them out. I've heard a lot of good things.

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    Here's my old piss off that's no longer with me and a really sweet Hunter that I came across on mtbr.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nat
    Rock out with your c0ck out! I heart this bike.
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    ohhh, that Hunter IS to die for! I've got a sweet spot in my heart for Hunters. Just love the way Rick puts a bike together. I'll have to get me another one here sometime.
    Just a regular guy.

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    my rattlecan sprayed '91 750 multitrack... I need to get pics with the offroad worthy wheelset and mythos cx's still... this pic is her in commuter guise. MMcG, you should be able to fit 45's no problem, I'm not sure if there's more room in the tig'd versions of these, but depending on the size of the meat... Shiggy says 45 firecross's fit in his.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ~martini~
    ohhh, that Hunter IS to die for! I've got a sweet spot in my heart for Hunters. Just love the way Rick puts a bike together. I'll have to get me another one here sometime.
    You and me both Marty. I have actually been talking to Rick about a very similar type of bike the past couple weeks. I called it a Monster Cross/Touring/Commuter road bike when I first started the discussion. Compact geometry frame...matching Hunter straight blade unicrown fork & stem...clearance for 44c tires...disc brakes...rack mounts and fender eyelets...132.5mm rear spacing...semi-horizontal Campy drops so it can be SS or geared. Unfortunately I think I need to hold off until the Spring to order, or at least until I find out what the year-end bonus will look like...

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    Cool-blue Rhythm You Piss Off

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    Here's my old piss off that's no longer with me and a really sweet Hunter that I came across on mtbr.
    Can't believe you sold the Piss Off, I was gonna vote for that as the nicest bike in the thread. What's your stable look like now?

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    Even though I love all the bikes, and an in the process of turning my Ti cruiser frame into a M'cross type bike, I have my doubts about 35-44 mm wide tires in real world use.
    A cross tire is not faster on the road than a smooth- high quality 50 mm tire , and off road inferior to the larger tires.
    Kind of no mans land. I haven't found a light, tubular like -high quality tire with a small diameter, anybody did?

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    It now has Bonty 1.8's on it.

    I live in Chattanooga. If you are down this way somtime, I'd be happy to let you ride it. It is a big bike.

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