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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee
    Smoove, versatile, practical. Fun.
    Well done. Do the smaller DryX tires have the same AR casing of their big brother?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenLightGo
    Well done. Do the smaller DryX tires have the same AR casing of their big brother?
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    Mike... I love the Moots... whatever it may be. I'm sure there's a reason that you put the King lower race in that way but you obviously don't need to tell us why. I've never seen "grip tape" like that. I've never heard of ESL so I don't know where you'd get it either.

    Anyway.... beautiful ride. One of the nicer Moots bikes that I've ever seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1 Speed
    Mike... I love the Moots... whatever it may be. I'm sure there's a reason that you put the King lower race in that way but you obviously don't need to tell us why. I've never seen "grip tape" like that. I've never heard of ESL so I don't know where you'd get it either.

    Anyway.... beautiful ride. One of the nicer Moots bikes that I've ever seen.
    Both King races are reversed. It is just a funky thang riders do..... or a secret society, who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee
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    I think I can fit 29 Mutano Raptors on my monster cross project,but they seem to be discontinued. LBS said QBP no longer lists them.

    Are they still available anywhere?
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    winter CX racing mode... same as everyone else's surly...

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    Mikesee - beautiful looking bike, nice to see it with mud and roadsalt on! I have a stem question - how does that work then?! Looks like the topcap is inside the stem so can't be used to tighten it all down. Also looks like a good solution to the high rise stem thing, but I'm guessing they aren't going into production. Guess I just have to get friendly enough with an out of this world ti builder that they'll do me one off stems, snow bikes, trailers, racks etc! (Only ever so slightly envious...)

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    So, is monstercross defined by a tyre size or a state of mind. I don't know either, but for me THIS is monstercross:

    http://www.sandsmachine.com/a_swa_r1.htm

    SnS coupled drop barred on and off road all round machine. That got hit head on by a Harley and was wrecked. And was then brought back to life. Even if the tyres say it ain't quite monstercross, you can't get much more rock n roll than that!

    ps - I have no way of knowing, but James Annan may well be the James Annan who has gotten most sussy fork manufacturers to go to forward dropouts or through axles in the last coupla years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSBonty
    So, is monstercross defined by a tyre size or a state of mind.
    My understanding of the concept was from this thread.

    I understand it to be a road or cross designed frame with drop bars, that runs bigger tires than the UCI allows in cyclocross races. I think it is a slight to extreme frankenbike that takes a rider into rougher terrain than what the original manufacturer intended the bike to be used.

    That said, a bike is a bike, and I love them all. Just ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slocaus
    My understanding of the concept was from this thread.

    I understand it to be a road or cross designed frame with drop bars, that runs bigger tires than the UCI allows in cyclocross races. I think it is a slight to extreme frankenbike that takes a rider into rougher terrain than what the original manufacturer intended the bike to be used.

    That said, a bike is a bike, and I love them all. Just ride.
    Wasn't Vulture-Wade the guy who first coined the term? Someone should ask him. He's still in town here (I think) but I haven't seen him in 3 years or so.

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    Yeah sorry, I was just stirring a little with that! Glad no-one was offended, and you offered a good explanation (I read the whole thread through last night and pretty much the same concept is in there somewhere too). Just been measuring my generic ally cross frame with generic carbon forks, and whadda you know, there seems to be room for at least 1.8"ers, maybe even 2.0"ers... things is lookin interestin!

    Just FYI, as I'm coming from the MTB tyre sizes in inches perspective, I thought I'd look at what the common mm tyre sizes are in inches:

    35mm (UCI max?) = 1.379" (so near enough 1.4")
    40mm = 1.57599999999999" (so near enough 1.6")
    45mm = 1.773" (so near enough 1.8")
    and 50mm = 1.97" (so near enough 2")

    You probably all know that already, but it helped get my head around what people were talking about. Ain't internet converters brilliant?!

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    So if I want to convert my KM into a monstercross-ish ride...

    Im looking at the Midge bars from On One, but the shifter/brake situation is killing me. I can't justify dropping 300 bucks on something that I know will get beat on. Most of the bikes shown are Single-speed, and I am not that fit. Never will be either. I like the beer too much.

    No way in hell I can afford the SRAM Double-tap either. Nice as it may be.

    If I run say the Cane Creek Drop V levers, what do I do about the gears? (I am running a 1x9 right now, and am exceedingly happy with it. Coming back from a jaunt with singlespeeding which was just too much effort for the lack of fun i was having. I'll keep my fixie for that.) Imnot confortable with the idea of bar-end shifters on something Ill be using off-road, so other options anyone?

    I guess I could keep my XTR shifter on the top, but then it kinds ruins the whole thing, IMHO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crotaline
    So if I want to convert my KM into a monstercross-ish ride...

    Im looking at the Midge bars from On One, but the shifter/brake situation is killing me. I can't justify dropping 300 bucks on something that I know will get beat on. Most of the bikes shown are Single-speed, and I am not that fit. Never will be either. I like the beer too much.

    No way in hell I can afford the SRAM Double-tap either. Nice as it may be.

    If I run say the Cane Creek Drop V levers, what do I do about the gears? (I am running a 1x9 right now, and am exceedingly happy with it. Coming back from a jaunt with singlespeeding which was just too much effort for the lack of fun i was having. I'll keep my fixie for that.) Imnot confortable with the idea of bar-end shifters on something Ill be using off-road, so other options anyone?

    I guess I could keep my XTR shifter on the top, but then it kinds ruins the whole thing, IMHO.

    Thx for any feedback.
    You're not really leaving yourself many options here - The only other thing you could do is see about getting a paul thumbie adapter and a bar-end shifter- that might be your best bet.

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    Thumbies for me for my 1 x 9

    I prefer thumbies but bar end shifters are cheap too. Kelly take offs can be found on ebay sometimes. All work well.

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    I guess my next question would be, does the Midge bar have cable-runs for that sort of shifter? I know my Syntace TT bar does for my bar-end brake (that i no longer use...)

    Thanks. I know I'm limiting myself with my options, but thanks again. I might go with the Cane Creek Drop levers and bar-end shifters. I can always store them or sell them i guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crotaline
    I guess my next question would be, does the Midge bar have cable-runs for that sort of shifter? I know my Syntace TT bar does for my bar-end brake (that i no longer use...)

    Thanks. I know I'm limiting myself with my options, but thanks again. I might go with the Cane Creek Drop levers and bar-end shifters. I can always store them or sell them i guess.
    Are you going to run disc or canti? I've seen posts of others using the Cane Creek for discs, but they did not work for me, and I did not want to have to swap to road BB-7 calipers. The Tektro RL-520 is a linear pull and works great with my BB-7 mountain discs, plus I like the feel of the hoods better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Crotaline
    I guess my next question would be, does the Midge bar have cable-runs for that sort of shifter? I know my Syntace TT bar does for my bar-end brake (that i no longer use...)

    Thanks. I know I'm limiting myself with my options, but thanks again. I might go with the Cane Creek Drop levers and bar-end shifters. I can always store them or sell them i guess.

    Bar-end shifters are fairly inexpensive, even more so if you go with used. I wouldn't be too nervous about used compared to a used STI lever, since there is much less to go wrong on a bar-end. Since you have a TT bar, you may already have these. They also have decent resale with the Tri-Geek crowd. They also work well with the short drop on the Midge, adding just a little extra length to the bar. I downshift using the heel of my palm on the pinkie side of my hand, and upshift with my ring finger. It works well, and becomes second nature.

    The Midge has no grooves, but having a little cable under your tape really isn't a big deal. Have the housing exit the tape just before the first major bend,

    The Tektro RL-520 and the Cane Creek Drop-V should be the same lever, since Tektro makes the Cane Creek levers. Up to you whether you like skinks on your hoods or not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crotaline
    So if I want to convert my KM into a monstercross-ish ride...

    Im looking at the Midge bars from On One, but the shifter/brake situation is killing me. I can't justify dropping 300 bucks on something that I know will get beat on. Most of the bikes shown are Single-speed, and I am not that fit. Never will be either. I like the beer too much.

    No way in hell I can afford the SRAM Double-tap either. Nice as it may be.

    If I run say the Cane Creek Drop V levers, what do I do about the gears? (I am running a 1x9 right now, and am exceedingly happy with it. Coming back from a jaunt with singlespeeding which was just too much effort for the lack of fun i was having. I'll keep my fixie for that.) Imnot confortable with the idea of bar-end shifters on something Ill be using off-road, so other options anyone?

    I guess I could keep my XTR shifter on the top, but then it kinds ruins the whole thing, IMHO.

    Thx for any feedback.
    I just built up my Cross Check and was coming up with the same problems. I didn't want integrated brifters in case (okay, when) I crash and be out a couple hundred bucks. So I was debating between bar end, downtube or thumb shifters.

    For the thumb shifters, you can use Paul Thumbies or go cheap and use the Sun Race thumb shifters for $13 from Rivendell (http://www.rivbike.com/products/list...#product=none). It was designed for mtn bikes, so get a longer bolt and bend the clamp to fit the Midge bars.

    I didn't consider the downtube shifters too long since I didn't want to take my hands off the bars to shift while offroading.

    I ended up going with the bar end shifters since the Midge bar drops have a short straight section below the bend. The bar end shifters adds that extra little 1/2 to 1 inch which is a bit more comfortable. Also nice be able to shift with my hands on the bars.

    For the levers, I was using Shimano Tiagra but ordered the Tektro R200 since I like having the lever release for my canti brakes.

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    Bar end shifters are the way to go I reckon. I normally ride SS but for a recent trip to Switzerland I thought it might be wise to fit some gears.



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    I'd definitely recommend a bar-end shifter having recently converted by cross check from ss to 1x9 and using midge bars. You are in the drops on midges for most of the time and so the bar end shifter is really convenient and easy to use.

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    I am going to build a monster' using a new 2006 Kona Major Jake frame I have found online, its going to be used mainly for commuting, so will run big slicks most of the time, but I have loads of 29er tyres knocking about........ it going to have avid cable discs f+r and a carbon fork that has loads of clearance and is disc compatible. (maybe Pace?)

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    Get the Nashbar Carbon Cross fork. It's a re badged Winwood for like half the price.

    My cross bike will be getting more monsterish this fall, I think. It's currently very road like
    with a saddle to bar drop, road drop bars, and 2x9 gearing. Were it not my road bike as well as my cross bike I would run this:

    -Shallow drop bars, maybe with flare. Salsa perhaps?
    -1x9. Simple. Light. Don't need a double for cross racing, since my sprint is weak.
    -Bar-end shifter. Brifters are great for the road, but in a really muddy cross race friction would be nice...and it's cross. I'd rather be able to dump a bunch of gears than to be constantly clicking back and forth to find the right cadence.
    -MTB rear derailleur

    I would use a mountain cassette for tooling around and the really gnarly races and a road cassette for the other races. The more standard road drivetrain would probably be kept ina bin in case I still want to use the beast as my road bike.

    I only wish the bike had clearance for bigger than ~700x40 in the rear. At least I can run a Panaracer Fire Cross in the front

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    here's my attempt-
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    Salsa La Cruz Monster Cyclocross

    By the size of the tire one could fit in this frame I declare this qualifies as a Monster Crosser. See my ad below.
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    Man, you better keep that wheel *true*. Looks rad. I dig it.

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    Can I be in the club?

    Can't remember if I posted cross pics before but here ya go. 10 YEARS OLD but it still rips. Tires are IRC 42s
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    I've always lamented not buying one of those old Salsa Cyclocross frames when I could've gotten it at EP cost.

    That's a beautiful ride!

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    Thats dope

    Quote Originally Posted by tg
    Can't remember if I posted cross pics before but here ya go. 10 YEARS OLD but it still rips. Tires are IRC 42s
    I especially like the look of the fork with that classic frame geometry.

    Time to go search for an all salsa bike thread in the Retro forum...

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    this is a sick thread! Thanks!

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    Wink XCross = 28 = 29 ...

    ... or what ever

    heres my old faithful Rewel Titanium - jsu updated with some newer parts taking me trough a lot of stuff for years now ....

    even was able to convince my girlfriend to give it a try - building up a VanNicholas Ti shure helped aswell

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    Here's Mine

    Mike made this for me last fall. I usually keep WTB Interwolf tires on it, since most of my "monstercross" rides involve about half pavement. This bike allows me to take my 50 minute commute and turn it into a sweet 2.5 hour adventure ride. I love this bike, maybe most of all of my bikes. I have four others of Mike's bikes that I absolutely love, so that's saying alot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by unoveloce
    I have four others of Mike's bikes
    How about pictures of the others?

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    Genuine Coconino Monster Cross Goodness! Built by the man himself--the Honorable Steve Garro---proudly owned and ridden wayyyyy down south in Wellington, NZ. Adorned with bits from the geniuses of the wonderful world of bicycles--King, Paul, Thomson, Nitto, Alpha Q et al. I love this bike. Have ridden her on 150 mile fixed gear epics, geared over the passes of the S. Island, and as you see her on the great bush tracks of Wellington.
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    Blacksheep Monster

    I''ve been riding this one a lot recently - really enjoy it. Set up as an 8 speed.
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    Thats fab! Do you know if any other BS drop-specifics have been built?

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    Now that is an amazing bike! Love the simplistic, yet elegant lines! Especially the curved seatstays and fork.

    When daydreaming of the next bike (funny how there is always a next bike in my dreams)
    I see a curved seatstay or softtail design instead of my Niner MCR monstercross. Until now it has always been a Curtlo 24 hour or Epic, Moots or when really dreaming a Castellano Silk Ti to match my current XC/AM equipped Silk Ti 29. Absolutely love that bike!
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    Oh snap

    Coconino MonsterX...so fine. How is that brake set-up working for you?

    Quote Originally Posted by abubaka
    Genuine Coconino Monster Cross Goodness! Built by the man himself--the Honorable Steve Garro---proudly owned and ridden wayyyyy down south in Wellington, NZ. Adorned with bits from the geniuses of the wonderful world of bicycles--King, Paul, Thomson, Nitto, Alpha Q et al. I love this bike. Have ridden her on 150 mile fixed gear epics, geared over the passes of the S. Island, and as you see her on the great bush tracks of Wellington.

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    The brakes work well. They're designed for use with road levers. The tt levers use the same leverage, plus they free up a bit more space on the moustache bar for my hands. I also used Nokon cables for a nice positive feel, and plenty of power. It's a very light set up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Clink
    Thats fab! Do you know if any other BS drop-specifics have been built?

    Yep, mine is just such a beast. It's been posted at least twice in this thread, so I hesitate to post it again.

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    I've uploaded as much of my photo collection as flickr allows here:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/2880994...7606306503239/

    Hope they inspire some more neat builds.

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    Nice work - thanks. The hillarious part is that I have nearly all of those in my drop bar photo folder!

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    Glad to hear it, maybe I'm not a psychopath after all.

    The folder has around 400 images total, though. I had to remove all of the repeats of a given bike, as well as a bunch of the vintage rides. It was tough deciding what had to go.

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    make that 3 Psychopaths

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    Nice work - thanks. The hillarious part is that I have nearly all of those in my drop bar photo folder!
    heehee, me too!
    great flickr page, was shocked to see that mine (cries tree sap) made it lots of inspiration has been gleamed from some of the other piccies

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    Just built it... I'll be testing it out, probably get a new fork and canti's on...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ink1373
    I've uploaded as much of my photo collection as flickr allows here:

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/2880994...7606306503239/

    Hope they inspire some more neat builds.

    This is a great collection. I love dropbar-bikes. Anybody seeking any inspiration should definitely visit your site. I don't think there is more variation of dropbarbikes around. I feel honored to find two of my bikes in your collection. One even shows twice (with different paint).

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    Funny, I have two bikes in there as well and my Chester shows up twice with slightly different builds. Here's another shot of my Chester, this time with Pace fork and a Dos ENO setup.

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    This is a great collection. I love dropbar-bikes. Anybody seeking any inspiration should definitely visit your site. I don't think there is more variation of dropbarbikes around. I feel honored to find two of my bikes in your collection. One even shows twice (with different paint).
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    Chesters definitely got preferential treatment during the photo selection process. I consider Matt/Rudi to be the godfathers of this style of bike.

    Really nice setups, all three.

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    more pics of my monstercross with fatter rubber. 1.9 karma up front (sucks as a front tire,need to find a 1.9/2.0 tire that corners better)) and a 1.75 bonty dry x rear set up ghetto tubeless on a aerohead rim.

    frame by eric baar at ground up. steel, stainless steel ss droupouts.internal rear brake routing in the toptube. fork by rick hunter. they both pair for an amazing ride.

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    Here's my monstercross conversion of my Waltworks. Off came the Titec H bar, on went the Midges and that darn stem riser thingy:





    The stem riser is dorktastic, but it's what I needed to get my bars up where I wanted them. I haven't taken this for anything more than a test ride up the block, but I'm looking forward to getting it out soon.

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    If you were getting a custom frame, why not just have a longer head tube?

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    I wasn't thinking monstercross when I ordered it, and this is just an experiment anyway. My bigger custom mistake was getting track ends instead of an EBB or sliders. Stupid no good track ends

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    Whats wrong with the track ends? (are they the Surly ones?)

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    Most of my frustration comes when I try to use my flip flop hub: Open the QR, disassemble the Surly chain tug, slacken the chain, remove the wheel, remove the QR, reassemble the Surly chain tug on the other side, etc. Plus it seems my wheel is never quite centered.

    These are the Surly KM track ends. My original intention was to use Cross Check like forward facing dropouts, which would have been much more usable than the rear opening kind, but there were some builder/client issues there.

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    Get the Sinz or Redline axle tensioners for $10 so you have one for both sides, or another Tuggnut. Convert to a bolt on axle if you swap to the Sinz/Redline variety. This allows you to exactly position the wheel as centered. When removing the wheel, no dissassembly or adjustment of the tensioners is required. Just loosen the nuts/QR, slide the tensioners out of the way, move the wheel forward, flip the chain off, remove the wheel. When reinstalling, the tensioners have already been set to achieve proper tension, so you can just pop them back on without dinking with it. Very quick and easy really. What is disappointing to me is that Walt doesn't do disc compatible track ends, only sliders. I love track ends.

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    Karmas

    Agree that the Karma is rather unenlightening up front in soft corners. Its ok on the rear but my bike looks too dorky with it and a Dry X 1.8 on the front - its just too small in comparison.
    Any recommendations on a good replacement? I could just put on a 2.0 but that's a bit more than I need. Maybe I should just run a set of Bonty 1.8s
    Nice bike, btw

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    [QUOTE=Kam]more pics of my monstercross with fatter rubber. 1.9 karma up front (sucks as a front tire,need to find a 1.9/2.0 tire that corners better)) and a 1.75 bonty dry x rear set up ghetto tubeless on a aerohead rim.

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    Fire Cross ?

    I ran the Fire Cross front and Bonty 1.8 on the rear and it was OK. Cushy, grips great, rolls slow
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    Here is my attempt at a monstercross. Bought it from a friend a month ago and it is slowly morphing into something different. I use it mostly for dirt road commuting, but have done some steep singletrack as well. It has Mary knockoff bars by Origin 8 flipped over. Kenda 700x42 tires, I also have another set of wheels running 29x2.3. On the way are some Midge bars and bar end shifters, I'll give the drop bars a try.
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    ok MX fans, quick query...
    wanted to know how wide some of those drop bars are.
    I've got my soma major taylors, LOVE them... but no hydro lever would fit on them (they're too large in diameter) and besides that they're only 39's.
    great for inner city lane splitting, but in the bush I'm thinking a bit more width might be a good idea.

    I was thinking as a franken-fix for the brakes; I could jam a plug into the ends of the bars that's a smaller diameter, run the hydro levers backwards tri-bike style, and then run banjo fittings on my lines so they angled inwards instead of shooting straight back.

    Bit excessive to engineer, might not be anywhere close to pretty, and I'm unsure about running the lever body on a push-in plug, maybe epoxy it in?

    Suggestions/comments?

    My avid cable discs are being run with my sti's on my commuter-cross thingie, this 29er bike's looking to be a single speeder and I don't want to buy new cable drawn disc brakes when I've got great hydros in the house.
    So don't suggest that, option's been considered and rejected already.

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    You won't be able to achieve proper leverage with the levers reversed. The ergonomics will be all screwed up. It will work, just not well.

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    Machine out the clamp of your brake levers but you can't go back without shims later. There will still be no hoods to ride and reach to lever may be jacked up. Someday there will be a lever like this made.

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    The origin 8 gary bar is the same diameter as a MTB bar and you can go to their website to get the width.... I love'm
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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy
    Most of my frustration comes when I try to use my flip flop hub: Open the QR, disassemble the Surly chain tug, slacken the chain, remove the wheel, remove the QR, reassemble the Surly chain tug on the other side, etc. Plus it seems my wheel is never quite centered.

    These are the Surly KM track ends. My original intention was to use Cross Check like forward facing dropouts, which would have been much more usable than the rear opening kind, but there were some builder/client issues there.
    For whatever it's worth the track fork ends/V-brake specific design is my favorite part of your bike. I've gone from that to disc single speeds and now I long to revert back to the simple original. My reasons are cosmetic preference and simplistic/minimalist technologies. I've gotten to the point personally where I think this is what a single speed should be. I miss my old 1x1.

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    Has anyone MX'd a Raleigh XXIX? I'm thinking it might be awesome since the fork isn't suspension corrected (on '07 and '08 versions), but then again, maybe the front end is just too low to get a dirt drop high enough. Thoughts?

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    I want a bike just like that- only SS. Nice work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unoveloce
    Mike made this for me last fall. I usually keep WTB Interwolf tires on it, since most of my "monstercross" rides involve about half pavement. This bike allows me to take my 50 minute commute and turn it into a sweet 2.5 hour adventure ride. I love this bike, maybe most of all of my bikes. I have four others of Mike's bikes that I absolutely love, so that's saying alot.
    unoveloce,

    How do you like those brakes compared to canti's?

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    Here are a couple of budget monster-x-ers that I completed this spring and summer for my GF and I. Last year we moved out of the city and even further from the XC trails. However, we've got instant access to miles upon miles of clay and gravel roads. Monstercrossers were the obvious choice for the terrain.



    I converted an old Peugeot that was made in Canada first. If anyone is familiar with the UO14 designation, please enlighten me. Most other UO models were tourers, but this bike lacks most of the braze-ons and eyelets that are common on tourers. The only other UO14 I've come across was a mixte. Go figure.



    This bike was made by Procycle (owners of both CCM [Canadian dept. store quality] and Rocky Mountain bikes who have also licensed the Miele, and Velo-Sport names in the past) in Quebec. It features a low-end Reynolds seat-tube and the rest of the tubing is unspecified.

    Sarah's bike was made by Peugeot France with Carbolite tubes. She has lots of clearance on the fork, but the rear stays are tight, and I could only fit a Maxxis Raze 35c. Strangely, I have the opposite problem. Clearance is tight on my unicrown Peugeot fork. A Crosscheck fork might be in my future.



    There's nothing too crazy going on here. Both bikes were originally specced with 27" wheels and happened to fit 700c's with fatties. I scrounged the wheels from the local bike shops' back rooms. Interwolf 38c's front and rear on the red bike, and front only on the black bike. Neither bike has canti mounts, but I haven't encountered any clearance problems with the brakes. My brakes were updated with Tektro 556 loooong reach brakes. Big improvement, but they've got even more adjustment than I need.

    Sarah's running Gary bars, I'm on WTB's due to my xxl gloves. I think we're both happy.I finished both bars with hemp whipping and I shellacked my tan tape for the faux-leather look. My Brooks saddle was a fantastic find. It's weathered and comfortable and was black in a former life. Shortly after these pictures were taken, it actually fell in the brook. How apropos.

    Thanks to the folks that have contributed to this thread and to the Rivendell folks for their help and inspiration.

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    PS- Both bikes now feature cork bar ends for safety and class. Thanks for looking.
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    Wow. Those both look amazing. Super nice job. That red Peugeot looks really dialed. Very nice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CLONG
    Here are a couple of budget monster-x-ers that I completed this spring and summer for my GF and I. Last year we moved out of the city and even further from the XC trails. However, we've got instant access to miles upon miles of clay and gravel roads. Monstercrossers were the obvious choice for the terrain.
    Cool, sweet bikes, built in the true spirit of monster cross. Very well done!
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    I'm really wishing I could find an old bike like one of those Peugeots to make a Monster-X bike out of too. They're everywhere here... well, everywhere but where I need them anyway.

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    Hey, thanks for the props, guys, I really appreciate it. These bikes were a labour of love. My GF and I rode them on a 30-day ride challenge (a la the Old Coot, a ride every day for 30 days) which we finished a couple of weeks ago. It was a great way to get to spend some extra time every day with my girl besides time spent in front of the TV. We had lots of fun and recommend it to others

    Slocaus, I don't want to sound stuck up but I really did feel that this project was somewhat in the 'spirit' of MX. I like to think I took 'road' bikes and made 'dirt-road' bikes out of them. I love the converted frames on this thread (esp. the Salsa and other Peugeots) much more than the ground up builds (pardon the pun) and I was thinking of those while I worked.

    1Speed, just keep you eye out on local used-goods websites, that's where I found my GF's ride. I passed on a few that I didn't think were quite right, and it still only took a few weeks to find the right bike. I wanted something that would not be a nightmare of clashing 'standards' and was mostly functional already so that I wouldn't need to spend a fortune upgrading. Luckily the frames we needed were at either end of the size bell-curve, and were not being bought up by local hipsters for urban fixxies.

    SSSasky, thanks for the compliment, and let me say I love the look of the Tweed that was reviewed in DirtRag. If I ever wear out this old frame I'll probably replace it with a Tweed. What's the tire clearance like on those frame/forks?

    I was considering some custom paint for a home project, but I don't think I can bear to cover the classic colours of these old bikes. They bear scars from their former owners, and I'm sure there are some good stories to go along with them, even though I'll never hear them. They look 'previously loved,' know what I mean?

    Thanks again, guys.

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    the black bike

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    CLONG: the clearance on the Tweed for 2008 was about 45mm. The rear triangle is being redone for 2009, so I'll get some measurements as soon as we have the bikes in hand. I doubt it will change much. Big tire clearance was a priority with these frames.

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    got new WTB mountain drop bars, i cant wait to give them a go this weekend

    next step is some fatter tires once i wear through these puny 30c guys
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    Nice job!

    Very clean job. Is that frame steel? Where did you get it?

    I have been looking for a steel single speed 'cross bike..

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    yep its steel, rides pretty nice. i got it from bikes direct, $400...cant beat it...although i have a bit more into it now with the wheels and handlebars

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    Quote Originally Posted by axcxnj
    got new WTB mountain drop bars, i cant wait to give them a go this weekend

    next step is some fatter tires once i wear through these puny 30c guys
    Is Motobecane making CX bikes again? I love this one! Where'd it come from? My old CX bike (insert regret here) was a real pro race bike from back in the original heyday of CX. I sold it to a buddy because I could only fit a 32 max on the rear. Man, I miss that bike though.

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    Hi
    I'm about to buy a new framset. My brain tells me Singular Swift, but my heart totally felt in love with the Peregrine. However, Sam, from Singular, warned me that the Peregrine is designed for "light offroad", so I obviously have to be carefull with jumps and that kind of stuff. That leaves me curious about how hard do you ride your monstercross bikes. Do you use it as a normal XC bike? Or more like a CX on steroids?
    Thanks in advance for the answers

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    Ride it like an XC bike. I have Cross Check and the frame can handle any thing that I can. (remeber no suspension or cushy tires to soak anything up) The tires and your skills are the limit when it gets rough. If you run a lot of pressure, you can get away with more, but you get beat up in the process, so you have to figure out what works for you.

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    My ideia with the peregrine was to run normal 29er tyres, something like 2.0's, and my current bike is a rigid 26'', so confort is'nt my main concern. I'm much more worried with the resistance of the frame

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    Crosscheck won't fit 2.0" tires though....


    Quote Originally Posted by c_m_shooter
    Ride it like an XC bike. I have Cross Check and the frame can handle any thing that I can. (remeber no suspension or cushy tires to soak anything up) The tires and your skills are the limit when it gets rough. If you run a lot of pressure, you can get away with more, but you get beat up in the process, so you have to figure out what works for you.
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    C_m_shooter's point was that the inherent limitations of most monster-x bikes (thinner tires, drop bars, rim brakes, reduced standover, often fixed gear) which make them unfit for high-speed / highly technical terrain, also help prevent you from getting in over your head.

    If you find yourself inclined toward hitting sweet jumps, or pointing at gardens of baby-carriage-sized rocks, leaning back, and hoping for the best, the Peregrine probably isn't a good choice.

    MX bikes really excel at mixed-terrain (15 miles of pavement, 10 miles of gravel / fire road, 5 miles of buffed singletrack, rinse, repeat) and breathing new life into less challenging loops.

    Everyone has a slightly different notion of "normal xc" conditions but I am capable of riding 80-90% of my typical east coast terrain on a monster-xer, although in a much different manner than if I were on a legit mtb.

    Less speed, no manualing, no foot+ air, no serious drop-ins. Which is fine. Lil' tires, drop bar cockpits, and mandatory pedaling has its own set of challenges and rushes.

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    My IF

    29er that I just took off my Jones bars and put on the Ball Laps, and I do like the setup!
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    Raliegh Monster

    Here is my latest config;

    08 xxix frame
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    LOVE IT!
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    Can we get some more info? Is that a true custom? or one of IF's 29'r mountain bikes with drop bars? This is about perfect for my next bike.

    Ryan.

    Quote Originally Posted by moodster
    29er that I just took off my Jones bars and put on the Ball Laps, and I do like the setup!

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    Quote Originally Posted by scottryana
    Can we get some more info? Is that a true custom? or one of IF's 29'r mountain bikes with drop bars? This is about perfect for my next bike.

    Ryan.
    True custom 29er for me with drop bars and at the time they would not make suspension corrected fork to match for their own reasons so Vicious sent one over to them. It has Boone ti chainring phil wood bash gaurd, I have a number of Boone cogs. As someone noticed powdercoated cranks with CK BB, CK SS hubs. That is about it but it is a great bike and I like it better now w/the drop bars as compared to the Jones. It might have been time for a change?
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    I've been meaning to post this for awhile.

    Fargo: Inspired by dirt drop riders from the 90's to Right Now. Inspires Wanderlust

    Throughout the project of developing the Fargo it was the whole idea of defining what Monstercross was, seeing what the riders of GDR, TransIowa, and other adventure type riders were doing, The trend in custom built 29ers for Dirt Drops, and this thread that helped frame and inspire. I'm in love with this bike and I know there are others out there as well.

    Thank You for contributing and keeping this thread going. Here's on of my favorite photos that I've taken so far, more can be found here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jmeiser/
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    I don't know what monstercross is, but here's my fixed gear road bike with 38s:






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    Niccceee!

    Very clean looking surly. What kind of saddle is that? Love the colors and look.

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    Thanks man, I'm really enjoying this bike. The saddle is a Charge Spoon.

    http://www.chargebikes.com/products/parts/spoon.php

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMKM
    What front rack is that? It looks like something from Velo Orange. You might be interested in the Nitto M12 Randonneur style front rack, http://www.velo-orange.com/nimfrra.html. It's a great place to strap a larger silnylon bag with dense heavy items which are better suited to be placed up front and lower down.

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    This is mine.

    It's not a really monster cross because the wheels are 26", but it's funny
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    Here's the (drumroll please) first Singular Peregrine in the US. I updated my pictures to show it in true monstercross fashion: 2.1 knobbies, disc brakes, dinglespeed setup, and posed off road.





    34x20 off road gear, and 38x16 on road:


    Lugs!



    In MC form, this is the greatest looking bike I own. Problem is, there aren't really a lot of opportunities for the mixed terrain riding around here (Central Ohio motto: "we've paved it!") where a bike like this would shine. So it was a fun build, but it may quickly get turned into my child seat/town/touring bike. That'll still be good.

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    I`m running 42mm schwalbe marathon winters, coverd by Planet Bikes, Cascadia`s.
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    my take on things... for urban LA riding w/ some fireroads.

    Cross Check
    Alfine 1x8 w/ 42T chainring

    Rear tire is a Specialized Borough XC (700x45)
    Front tire is a WTB Vulpine (2.1)

    flipped mary's (double) wrapped to the stem for the extra hand positions.
    (love that Salsa leather bar tape)
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    That's an interesting build

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    Quote Originally Posted by burner
    my take on things... for urban LA riding w/ some fireroads.

    Cross Check
    Alfine 1x8 w/ 42T chainring

    Rear tire is a Specialized Borough XC (700x45)
    Front tire is a WTB Vulpine (2.1)

    flipped mary's (double) wrapped to the stem for the extra hand positions.
    (love that Salsa leather bar tape)
    I have to ask...why not use the Cross-Check fork? Nice ride anyway but I'm curious.

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