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    Oooohhh... nice you got the LEV?! Was looking at the eTen for a budget dropper and the i900r. That will come down the road though. Gonna start with a standard post.

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    Lev dx and it's awesome!

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    [QUOTE=Switchback Bikes;11164648]Just loaded an XT Complete Bike option for the Thumper frames in the Classfieds

    29er FSR Suspension | 130mm Travel | XT Complete Bike: $3,499! - Buy and Sell and Review Mountain Bikes and Accessories


    Just worked out an even better deal on it $3,299 (shipped in the US)....classified Ad updated as well

    Build upgrades:
    Easton Carbon seatpost
    Selle Italia Saddle
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    Price drop $200!

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    Re: HammerHead Thumper, thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switchback Bikes View Post
    Just loaded an XT Complete Bike option for the Thumper frames in the Classfieds

    29er FSR Suspension | 130mm Travel | XT Complete Bike: $3,499! - Buy and Sell and Review Mountain Bikes and Accessories


    Just worked out an even better deal on it $3,299 (shipped in the US)....classified Ad updated as well

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    Price drop $200!
    What a deal!

    Also, I just saw the new X1 11 speed group. I think it just derailed my build plans. An affordable 11 speed group is so tempting.

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    HammerHead Thumper, thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switchback Bikes View Post

    What a deal!

    Also, I just saw the new X1 11 speed group. I think it just derailed my build plans. An affordable 11 speed group is so tempting.

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    Heck yeah!

    Yep! Pumped they are starting to release info on that...been killing me not being able to let the cat out of the bag


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    SRAM X1 1x11


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    Yeah was just reading that... sounds killer but I will wait until they have an x7ish variant of it. $1k for the drivetrain alone is too rich for my blood (Im a state worker so I make crap for money in the first place )

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    Personally, I'd do just the rear Der, cassette, chain, and chainring, and get some lighter cranks for cheaper. (assuming that bcd is a common bcd

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    Re: HammerHead Thumper, thoughts?

    Quote Originally Posted by TwoNin9r View Post
    Personally, I'd do just the rear Der, cassette, chain, and chainring, and get some lighter cranks for cheaper. (assuming that bcd is a common bcd

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    Its not. And the chainring is quite expensive, the XX1 cranks are light for the price though.

    What kills me is the hub. I run shimano hubs bc they are cheap. Also, I only use shimano brakes, and maybe I am weird, but I dont like using shimano brakes with sram shifters. Its odd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoNin9r View Post
    Personally, I'd do just the rear Der, cassette, chain, and chainring, and get some lighter cranks for cheaper. (assuming that bcd is a common bcd

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    Wolftooth makes narrow wide chainrings in a number of configurations. I use the direct mount to my X9 cranks for a 1 x 10 setup on my Thumper. I have over 400 miles between the Thumper and Jet9 set up this way, and I have never dropped a chain.

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    HammerHead Thumper, thoughts?

    Quote Originally Posted by TwoNin9r View Post
    Personally, I'd do just the rear Der, cassette, chain, and chainring, and get some lighter cranks for cheaper. (assuming that bcd is a common bcd

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    It's not common...94 bcd


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    HammerHead Thumper, thoughts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain_America1976 View Post
    Wolftooth makes narrow wide chainrings in a number of configurations. I use the direct mount to my X9 cranks for a 1 x 10 setup on my Thumper. I have over 400 miles between the Thumper and Jet9 set up this way, and I have never dropped a chain.
    Nice....that's a great combo & could be a great config with the other X1 parts


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    Re: HammerHead Thumper, thoughts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Switchback Bikes View Post
    Nice....that's a great combo & could be a great config with the other X1 parts


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    Except that the X9 cranks are 50 bucks withing the pricing of X01 cranks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastBanana View Post
    Except that the X9 cranks are 50 bucks withing the pricing of X01 cranks.

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    It's a good option if you already have X9 cranks like I did. $80 for a direct mount chain ring, and you are done.
    Side note: I found both sets of X9 cranks a few years ago for just over $100 each.

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    Yeah I run my bikes 1x10 with raceface narrow wide rings. Reason you have to go with the xx1 ring is I assume it's compatible with the 11speed chain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoNin9r View Post
    Yeah I run my bikes 1x10 with raceface narrow wide rings. Reason you have to go with the xx1 ring is I assume it's compatible with the 11speed chain.

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    According to Wolftooth their rings work with 11 speed chains.
    This one goes to 11

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    Re: HammerHead Thumper, thoughts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain_America1976 View Post
    According to Wolftooth their rings work with 11 speed chains.
    This one goes to 11
    Oh that's great to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain_America1976 View Post
    According to Wolftooth their rings work with 11 speed chains.
    This one goes to 11
    LOL.... gotta love it!

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    Found something interesting...lots of similarlities between the Unveil 9/Hammerhead Thumper/Caribou Ibex 29 and the Lapierre Zesty 29.

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    While the anti-squat curves seems very similar, the leverage ratios are very different. Lapierre got some criticisms in the earlier Zesty that the leverage ratio was too low, and it happens that it was of similar ratio to what the Unveil 9 is now.

    From what I understand, bikes with lower leverage ratios needs more volume and less stiction, which is why some folks see such dramatic improvements with a coil or something like the Monarch Plus.

    Just thought some folks would be interested.
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    Re: HammerHead Thumper, thoughts?

    Quote Originally Posted by PHeller View Post
    Found something interesting...lots of similarlities between the Unveil 9/Hammerhead Thumper/Caribou Ibex 29 and the Lapierre Zesty 29.

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    While the anti-squat curves seems very similar, the leverage ratios are very different. Lapierre got some criticisms in the earlier Zesty that the leverage ratio was too low, and it happens that it was of similar ratio to what the Unveil 9 is now.

    From what I understand, bikes with lower leverage ratios needs more volume and less stiction, which is why some folks see such dramatic improvements with a coil or something like the Monarch Plus.

    Just thought some folks would be interested.
    I have a Titus FTM, and found a low volume can with Kashima coating to be very smooth. The high volume can made the bike blow through travel at the appropriate sag.

    And a .18 difference in leverage ratio is not much. The fact the Stumpjumper ratio is within that tolerance of the Unveil, is a compliment. Many people hate spesh, but I doubt you'll find someone with time on one that didnt like the ride.

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    From those charts it appears that the Unveil9 is .28 difference from the Stumpjumper. 2.5 vs 2.78

    Either way it seems to get good reviews so no sense looking at the numbers too hard.
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    LOL... glad you guys understand how to read those charts, while I am an analyst I have no clue what is going on there. But I will take your word for it if it is saying good things.

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    Re: HammerHead Thumper, thoughts?

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    LOL... glad you guys understand how to read those charts, while I am an analyst I have no clue what is going on there. But I will take your word for it if it is saying good things.
    Yeah all I have is my happy meter to rely on... The needle is pegged at "sh*t eating grin"

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    What's the shock size and tune on the Thumper? What tune did the CCDBA require?

    What shock size will the Unveil7 be?

    Cane Creek has the Reveal7 and Reveal9 down as 190x51, so I assume the Unveil9 and Unveil7 will be similar even if the travel is different.
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    Re: HammerHead Thumper, thoughts?

    Quote Originally Posted by PHeller View Post
    What's the shock size and tune on the Thumper? What tune did the CCDBA require?

    What shock size will the Unveil7 be?
    Its a medium rebound and medium velocity. I think its a 7.875 by 2, but I would have to go measure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastBanana View Post
    Its a medium rebound and medium velocity. I think its a 7.875 by 2, but I would have to go measure.

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    It is definitely NOT 7.875 x 2. Ask me how I know. The correct shock size is 7.5 x 2.

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    190 x 51

    Quote Originally Posted by FastBanana View Post
    Its a medium rebound and medium velocity. I think its a 7.875 by 2, but I would have to go measure.

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    It's 190 x 51....the Unveil7 is 200 x 57 (7.875 x 2)

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    Our Mistake

    Quote Originally Posted by 12snap View Post
    It is definitely NOT 7.875 x 2. Ask me how I know. The correct shock size is 7.5 x 2.
    Because we made a mistake and had the Unveil7 shock measurements listed in the Thumper SPECS for shock measurements.....you used that as the reference to purchase your Cane Creek DB AIR for your Thumper.

    If anyone is interested in a 7.875 x 2.0 CC DB AIR rear shock, he's trying to sell it. I've been trying to help him sell it because of the mistake on our end.

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    Re: HammerHead Thumper, thoughts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Switchback Bikes View Post
    Because we made a mistake and had the Unveil7 shock measurements listed in the Thumper SPECS for shock measurements.....you used that as the reference to purchase your Cane Creek DB AIR for your Thumper.

    If anyone is interested in a 7.875 x 2.0 CC DB AIR rear shock, he's trying to sell it. I've been trying to help him sell it because of the mistake on our end.

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    Or, maybe he can have a machine shop custom make a rocker to make the CCDB work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastBanana View Post
    Or, maybe he can have a machine shop custom make a rocker to make the CCDB work?

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    hhhhmmmm.....interesting idea

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    How about an "Evo" link to drop the BB and slack the headtube for those looking for a more aggressive ride and longer fork?

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    Edit: I would be willing to beta test one. Just saying.

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    http://www.qbp.com/diagrams/TechInfo/vivid.pdf

    That link would seem to indicate that the Thumper/Unveil9 should get a MM tune. It is a 190x50 with a progressive rising rate around 2.5-2.6:1.

    The Unveil7 should get a MH tune if the leverage ratio is similar. It is 200x57 (7.875 x 2.25)
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    Quote Originally Posted by PHeller View Post
    http://www.qbp.com/diagrams/TechInfo/vivid.pdf

    That link would seem to indicate that the Thumper/Unveil9 should get a MM tune. It is a 190x50 with a progressive rising rate around 2.5-2.6:1.

    The Unveil7 should get a MH tune if the leverage ratio is similar. It is 200x57 (7.875 x 2.25)
    Great job on finding that chart

    The Fox CTD shocks that are on the Thumper & 130x frames were custom tuned for the Thumper. When we transition to the Unveil9 frames they will be speced w/ a MM tune

    The Unveil7 prototype frames (they shipped our way 2-days ago, be here next week!) Will have the Monarch Plus Debonair shocks on them w/ the MH tune

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    I love when theory works out in practice! So far I've had some pretty good guesses!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FastBanana View Post
    Or, maybe he can have a machine shop custom make a rocker to make the CCDB work?
    To get the wrong size shock to work? I'm already losing money on this deal. Why would I want to spend more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switchback Bikes View Post
    The Unveil7 prototype frames (they shipped our way 2-days ago, be here next week!) Will have the Monarch Plus Debonair shocks on them w/ the MH tune
    Are the Unveil9 frames in the same shipping? :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switchback Bikes View Post
    Because we made a mistake and had the Unveil7 shock measurements listed in the Thumper SPECS for shock measurements.....you used that as the reference to purchase your Cane Creek DB AIR for your Thumper.

    If anyone is interested in a 7.875 x 2.0 CC DB AIR rear shock, he's trying to sell it. I've been trying to help him sell it because of the mistake on our end.
    Imho if you f'ed up, he should not be paying the price for it. That is very poor customer service. The right thing to do is buy the shock from him for what he paid, and do you best to get him the right shock asap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maettu View Post
    Are the Unveil9 frames in the same shipping? :-)
    No, sorry.....they may be available later this year though

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    Imho if you f'ed up, he should not be paying the price for it. That is very poor customer service. The right thing to do is buy the shock from him for what he paid, and do you best to get him the right shock asap.
    It's complicated....Switchback didn't make the mistake...someone else did...didn't want to throw them under the bus so said "we". Switchback is doing everything in it's power to help him out. That's why I used the opportunity to post his shock on this thread to try to help out.
    I've also personally been trying to sell it for him via other resources I have at my disposal.

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    Unveil9 frame

    Quote Originally Posted by maettu View Post
    Are the Unveil9 frames in the same shipping? :-)
    You know what....just in case you ride a size Large....I was getting ready to post this frame in the classifieds and on our FB page.

    It was one of the Hammerhead Thumper demo frames....had it Powerdercoated Orange and Decaled it up w/ Switchback Unveil9 logos.

    The PC was really thick and had a heck of a time putting the frame back together, so it has some aesthetic issues.
    Fork is a 2012 Revelation RCT3 Dual-Air, 20mm Maxle, set at 120m travel....works great, only issue is I lost the front brake guide but those are easily replaceable.

    Frame/Fork/Maxle/Seat Collar/FSA Headset. $600 shipped!

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    More pics of the frame w/ close ups of the aesthetic issues and close ups of the fork....here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switchback Bikes View Post
    You know what....just in case you ride a size Large....I was getting ready to post this frame in the classifieds and on our FB page.

    It was one of the Hammerhead Thumper demo frames....had it Powerdercoated Orange and Decaled it up w/ Switchback Unveil9 logos.

    The PC was really thick and had a heck of a time putting the frame back together, so it has some aesthetic issues.
    Fork is a 2012 Revelation RCT3 Dual-Air, 20mm Maxle, set at 120m travel....works great, only issue is I lost the front brake guide but those are easily replaceable.

    Frame/Fork/Maxle/Seat Collar/FSA Headset. $600 shipped!

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    More pics of the frame w/ close ups of the aesthetic issues and close ups of the fork....here

    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8qkz1depx...mCSs2kVv1lEI7a
    Holy crap... Scott you officially suck now!!! LOL I would have taken that off your hands for that price had I known.. Oh well, still happy with my Thumper and the coming Revelation.

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    Re: HammerHead Thumper, thoughts?

    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    Holy crap... Scott you officially suck now!!! LOL I would have taken that off your hands for that price had I known.. Oh well, still happy with my Thumper and the coming Revelation.
    Haha you'll like the revelation. I have that setup exactly. Thumper and revelation xx. I'm at 130mm and it works perfectly though I might bump it up as soon as I find some good instructional videos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoNin9r View Post
    Haha you'll like the revelation. I have that setup exactly. Thumper and revelation xx. I'm at 130mm and it works perfectly though I might bump it up as soon as I find some good instructional videos.

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    LOL! My bad....it was in shambles at the time

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoNin9r View Post
    Haha you'll like the revelation. I have that setup exactly. Thumper and revelation xx. I'm at 130mm and it works perfectly though I might bump it up as soon as I find some good instructional videos.

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    Youtube isn't bad and looking at the manual last night seems like you take the air side apart and on the upper rod there should be a couple spacers. Basically just remove the spacers for 140mm travel, 130mm is 1x10mm spacer, 120mm is 2x10mm & 1x20mm spacer or 2x20mm spacer (spacers apparently can be had through RS).

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    LOL! My bad....it was in shambles at the time
    LOL no worries dude, just bustin' your chops.

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    LOL no worries dude, just bustin' your chops.[/QUOTE]

    Love it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switchback Bikes View Post
    You know what....just in case you ride a size Large....I was getting ready to post this frame in the classifieds and on our FB page.

    It was one of the Hammerhead Thumper demo frames....had it Powerdercoated Orange and Decaled it up w/ Switchback Unveil9 logos.

    The PC was really thick and had a heck of a time putting the frame back together, so it has some aesthetic issues.
    Fork is a 2012 Revelation RCT3 Dual-Air, 20mm Maxle, set at 120m travel....works great, only issue is I lost the front brake guide but those are easily replaceable.

    Frame/Fork/Maxle/Seat Collar/FSA Headset. $600 shipped!

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    More pics of the frame w/ close ups of the aesthetic issues and close ups of the fork....here

    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8qkz1depx...mCSs2kVv1lEI7a
    Oh...and if you don't like the Red Fork Decals w/ the Orange frame...you can purchase different decals for $9.99 here Rock Shox Revalation 2013 Replacement Color Matched Decal Kit | eBay

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switchback Bikes View Post
    Switchback is doing everything in it's power to help him out. That's why I used the opportunity to post his shock on this thread to try to help out.
    I've also personally been trying to sell it for him via other resources I have at my disposal.
    That's news to me. Especially since you asked if I still had it when you tried to sell me the correct size CCDB Air CS 10 days ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 12snap View Post
    That's news to me. Especially since you asked if I still had it when you tried to sell me the correct size CCDB Air CS 10 days ago.
    I apologize if what I was communicating didn't translate correctly. I was trying to communicate that I would sell you the CC DB AIR CS (less than 5 rides on it) for the price you sold your used CC DB AIR shock for...if you had sold it.

    In the end you aren't out any $$ and you have an upgraded shock. That offer is still on the table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switchback Bikes View Post
    I apologize if what I was communicating didn't translate correctly. I was trying to communicate that I would sell you the CC DB AIR CS (less than 5 rides on it) for the price you sold your used CC DB AIR shock for...if you had sold it.

    In the end you aren't out any $$ and you have an upgraded shock. That offer is still on the table.
    My point is that you stated in this thread that "Switchback is doing everything in it's power to help him out" and "I've personally been trying to sell it for him via other resources I have at my disposal". Yet you didn't even know if I still had the shock. How can you be trying to sell something if you don't even know if it's available?

    A proper proposal would be to offer to trade me the correct size shock for my unsold shock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 12snap View Post
    My point is that you stated in this thread that "Switchback is doing everything in it's power to help him out" and "I've personally been trying to sell it for him via other resources I have at my disposal". Yet you didn't even know if I still had the shock. How can you be trying to sell something if you don't even know if it's available?

    A proper proposal would be to offer to trade me the correct size shock for my unsold shock.
    Why don't we take this discussion direct....sure people aren't interested in seeing us bickering back and forth on this thread.

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