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    Oooohhh... nice you got the LEV?! Was looking at the eTen for a budget dropper and the i900r. That will come down the road though. Gonna start with a standard post.

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    Lev dx and it's awesome!

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    [QUOTE=Switchback Bikes;11164648]Just loaded an XT Complete Bike option for the Thumper frames in the Classfieds

    29er FSR Suspension | 130mm Travel | XT Complete Bike: $3,499! - Buy and Sell and Review Mountain Bikes and Accessories


    Just worked out an even better deal on it $3,299 (shipped in the US)....classified Ad updated as well

    Build upgrades:
    Easton Carbon seatpost
    Selle Italia Saddle
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    Price drop $200!

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    Re: HammerHead Thumper, thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switchback Bikes View Post
    Just loaded an XT Complete Bike option for the Thumper frames in the Classfieds

    29er FSR Suspension | 130mm Travel | XT Complete Bike: $3,499! - Buy and Sell and Review Mountain Bikes and Accessories


    Just worked out an even better deal on it $3,299 (shipped in the US)....classified Ad updated as well

    Build upgrades:
    Easton Carbon seatpost
    Selle Italia Saddle
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    Price drop $200!
    What a deal!

    Also, I just saw the new X1 11 speed group. I think it just derailed my build plans. An affordable 11 speed group is so tempting.

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    HammerHead Thumper, thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switchback Bikes View Post

    What a deal!

    Also, I just saw the new X1 11 speed group. I think it just derailed my build plans. An affordable 11 speed group is so tempting.

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    Heck yeah!

    Yep! Pumped they are starting to release info on that...been killing me not being able to let the cat out of the bag


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    SRAM X1 1x11


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    Yeah was just reading that... sounds killer but I will wait until they have an x7ish variant of it. $1k for the drivetrain alone is too rich for my blood (Im a state worker so I make crap for money in the first place )

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    Personally, I'd do just the rear Der, cassette, chain, and chainring, and get some lighter cranks for cheaper. (assuming that bcd is a common bcd

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    Re: HammerHead Thumper, thoughts?

    Quote Originally Posted by TwoNin9r View Post
    Personally, I'd do just the rear Der, cassette, chain, and chainring, and get some lighter cranks for cheaper. (assuming that bcd is a common bcd

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    Its not. And the chainring is quite expensive, the XX1 cranks are light for the price though.

    What kills me is the hub. I run shimano hubs bc they are cheap. Also, I only use shimano brakes, and maybe I am weird, but I dont like using shimano brakes with sram shifters. Its odd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoNin9r View Post
    Personally, I'd do just the rear Der, cassette, chain, and chainring, and get some lighter cranks for cheaper. (assuming that bcd is a common bcd

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    Wolftooth makes narrow wide chainrings in a number of configurations. I use the direct mount to my X9 cranks for a 1 x 10 setup on my Thumper. I have over 400 miles between the Thumper and Jet9 set up this way, and I have never dropped a chain.

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    HammerHead Thumper, thoughts?

    Quote Originally Posted by TwoNin9r View Post
    Personally, I'd do just the rear Der, cassette, chain, and chainring, and get some lighter cranks for cheaper. (assuming that bcd is a common bcd

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    It's not common...94 bcd


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    HammerHead Thumper, thoughts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain_America1976 View Post
    Wolftooth makes narrow wide chainrings in a number of configurations. I use the direct mount to my X9 cranks for a 1 x 10 setup on my Thumper. I have over 400 miles between the Thumper and Jet9 set up this way, and I have never dropped a chain.
    Nice....that's a great combo & could be a great config with the other X1 parts


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    Re: HammerHead Thumper, thoughts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Switchback Bikes View Post
    Nice....that's a great combo & could be a great config with the other X1 parts


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    Except that the X9 cranks are 50 bucks withing the pricing of X01 cranks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastBanana View Post
    Except that the X9 cranks are 50 bucks withing the pricing of X01 cranks.

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    It's a good option if you already have X9 cranks like I did. $80 for a direct mount chain ring, and you are done.
    Side note: I found both sets of X9 cranks a few years ago for just over $100 each.

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    Yeah I run my bikes 1x10 with raceface narrow wide rings. Reason you have to go with the xx1 ring is I assume it's compatible with the 11speed chain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoNin9r View Post
    Yeah I run my bikes 1x10 with raceface narrow wide rings. Reason you have to go with the xx1 ring is I assume it's compatible with the 11speed chain.

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    According to Wolftooth their rings work with 11 speed chains.
    This one goes to 11

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    Re: HammerHead Thumper, thoughts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain_America1976 View Post
    According to Wolftooth their rings work with 11 speed chains.
    This one goes to 11
    Oh that's great to know.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Captain_America1976 View Post
    According to Wolftooth their rings work with 11 speed chains.
    This one goes to 11
    LOL.... gotta love it!

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    Found something interesting...lots of similarlities between the Unveil 9/Hammerhead Thumper/Caribou Ibex 29 and the Lapierre Zesty 29.

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    While the anti-squat curves seems very similar, the leverage ratios are very different. Lapierre got some criticisms in the earlier Zesty that the leverage ratio was too low, and it happens that it was of similar ratio to what the Unveil 9 is now.

    From what I understand, bikes with lower leverage ratios needs more volume and less stiction, which is why some folks see such dramatic improvements with a coil or something like the Monarch Plus.

    Just thought some folks would be interested.
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    Re: HammerHead Thumper, thoughts?

    Quote Originally Posted by PHeller View Post
    Found something interesting...lots of similarlities between the Unveil 9/Hammerhead Thumper/Caribou Ibex 29 and the Lapierre Zesty 29.

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    While the anti-squat curves seems very similar, the leverage ratios are very different. Lapierre got some criticisms in the earlier Zesty that the leverage ratio was too low, and it happens that it was of similar ratio to what the Unveil 9 is now.

    From what I understand, bikes with lower leverage ratios needs more volume and less stiction, which is why some folks see such dramatic improvements with a coil or something like the Monarch Plus.

    Just thought some folks would be interested.
    I have a Titus FTM, and found a low volume can with Kashima coating to be very smooth. The high volume can made the bike blow through travel at the appropriate sag.

    And a .18 difference in leverage ratio is not much. The fact the Stumpjumper ratio is within that tolerance of the Unveil, is a compliment. Many people hate spesh, but I doubt you'll find someone with time on one that didnt like the ride.

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    From those charts it appears that the Unveil9 is .28 difference from the Stumpjumper. 2.5 vs 2.78

    Either way it seems to get good reviews so no sense looking at the numbers too hard.
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    LOL... glad you guys understand how to read those charts, while I am an analyst I have no clue what is going on there. But I will take your word for it if it is saying good things.

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    Re: HammerHead Thumper, thoughts?

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    LOL... glad you guys understand how to read those charts, while I am an analyst I have no clue what is going on there. But I will take your word for it if it is saying good things.
    Yeah all I have is my happy meter to rely on... The needle is pegged at "sh*t eating grin"

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    What's the shock size and tune on the Thumper? What tune did the CCDBA require?

    What shock size will the Unveil7 be?

    Cane Creek has the Reveal7 and Reveal9 down as 190x51, so I assume the Unveil9 and Unveil7 will be similar even if the travel is different.
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    Re: HammerHead Thumper, thoughts?

    Quote Originally Posted by PHeller View Post
    What's the shock size and tune on the Thumper? What tune did the CCDBA require?

    What shock size will the Unveil7 be?
    Its a medium rebound and medium velocity. I think its a 7.875 by 2, but I would have to go measure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastBanana View Post
    Its a medium rebound and medium velocity. I think its a 7.875 by 2, but I would have to go measure.

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    It is definitely NOT 7.875 x 2. Ask me how I know. The correct shock size is 7.5 x 2.

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    190 x 51

    Quote Originally Posted by FastBanana View Post
    Its a medium rebound and medium velocity. I think its a 7.875 by 2, but I would have to go measure.

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    It's 190 x 51....the Unveil7 is 200 x 57 (7.875 x 2)

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    Our Mistake

    Quote Originally Posted by 12snap View Post
    It is definitely NOT 7.875 x 2. Ask me how I know. The correct shock size is 7.5 x 2.
    Because we made a mistake and had the Unveil7 shock measurements listed in the Thumper SPECS for shock measurements.....you used that as the reference to purchase your Cane Creek DB AIR for your Thumper.

    If anyone is interested in a 7.875 x 2.0 CC DB AIR rear shock, he's trying to sell it. I've been trying to help him sell it because of the mistake on our end.

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    Re: HammerHead Thumper, thoughts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Switchback Bikes View Post
    Because we made a mistake and had the Unveil7 shock measurements listed in the Thumper SPECS for shock measurements.....you used that as the reference to purchase your Cane Creek DB AIR for your Thumper.

    If anyone is interested in a 7.875 x 2.0 CC DB AIR rear shock, he's trying to sell it. I've been trying to help him sell it because of the mistake on our end.

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    Or, maybe he can have a machine shop custom make a rocker to make the CCDB work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastBanana View Post
    Or, maybe he can have a machine shop custom make a rocker to make the CCDB work?

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    hhhhmmmm.....interesting idea

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    How about an "Evo" link to drop the BB and slack the headtube for those looking for a more aggressive ride and longer fork?

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    Edit: I would be willing to beta test one. Just saying.

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    http://www.qbp.com/diagrams/TechInfo/vivid.pdf

    That link would seem to indicate that the Thumper/Unveil9 should get a MM tune. It is a 190x50 with a progressive rising rate around 2.5-2.6:1.

    The Unveil7 should get a MH tune if the leverage ratio is similar. It is 200x57 (7.875 x 2.25)
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    Quote Originally Posted by PHeller View Post
    http://www.qbp.com/diagrams/TechInfo/vivid.pdf

    That link would seem to indicate that the Thumper/Unveil9 should get a MM tune. It is a 190x50 with a progressive rising rate around 2.5-2.6:1.

    The Unveil7 should get a MH tune if the leverage ratio is similar. It is 200x57 (7.875 x 2.25)
    Great job on finding that chart

    The Fox CTD shocks that are on the Thumper & 130x frames were custom tuned for the Thumper. When we transition to the Unveil9 frames they will be speced w/ a MM tune

    The Unveil7 prototype frames (they shipped our way 2-days ago, be here next week!) Will have the Monarch Plus Debonair shocks on them w/ the MH tune

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    I love when theory works out in practice! So far I've had some pretty good guesses!
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    Quote Originally Posted by FastBanana View Post
    Or, maybe he can have a machine shop custom make a rocker to make the CCDB work?
    To get the wrong size shock to work? I'm already losing money on this deal. Why would I want to spend more?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switchback Bikes View Post
    The Unveil7 prototype frames (they shipped our way 2-days ago, be here next week!) Will have the Monarch Plus Debonair shocks on them w/ the MH tune
    Are the Unveil9 frames in the same shipping? :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switchback Bikes View Post
    Because we made a mistake and had the Unveil7 shock measurements listed in the Thumper SPECS for shock measurements.....you used that as the reference to purchase your Cane Creek DB AIR for your Thumper.

    If anyone is interested in a 7.875 x 2.0 CC DB AIR rear shock, he's trying to sell it. I've been trying to help him sell it because of the mistake on our end.
    Imho if you f'ed up, he should not be paying the price for it. That is very poor customer service. The right thing to do is buy the shock from him for what he paid, and do you best to get him the right shock asap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by maettu View Post
    Are the Unveil9 frames in the same shipping? :-)
    No, sorry.....they may be available later this year though

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonshonda View Post
    Imho if you f'ed up, he should not be paying the price for it. That is very poor customer service. The right thing to do is buy the shock from him for what he paid, and do you best to get him the right shock asap.
    It's complicated....Switchback didn't make the mistake...someone else did...didn't want to throw them under the bus so said "we". Switchback is doing everything in it's power to help him out. That's why I used the opportunity to post his shock on this thread to try to help out.
    I've also personally been trying to sell it for him via other resources I have at my disposal.

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    Unveil9 frame

    Quote Originally Posted by maettu View Post
    Are the Unveil9 frames in the same shipping? :-)
    You know what....just in case you ride a size Large....I was getting ready to post this frame in the classifieds and on our FB page.

    It was one of the Hammerhead Thumper demo frames....had it Powerdercoated Orange and Decaled it up w/ Switchback Unveil9 logos.

    The PC was really thick and had a heck of a time putting the frame back together, so it has some aesthetic issues.
    Fork is a 2012 Revelation RCT3 Dual-Air, 20mm Maxle, set at 120m travel....works great, only issue is I lost the front brake guide but those are easily replaceable.

    Frame/Fork/Maxle/Seat Collar/FSA Headset. $600 shipped!

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    More pics of the frame w/ close ups of the aesthetic issues and close ups of the fork....here

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switchback Bikes View Post
    You know what....just in case you ride a size Large....I was getting ready to post this frame in the classifieds and on our FB page.

    It was one of the Hammerhead Thumper demo frames....had it Powerdercoated Orange and Decaled it up w/ Switchback Unveil9 logos.

    The PC was really thick and had a heck of a time putting the frame back together, so it has some aesthetic issues.
    Fork is a 2012 Revelation RCT3 Dual-Air, 20mm Maxle, set at 120m travel....works great, only issue is I lost the front brake guide but those are easily replaceable.

    Frame/Fork/Maxle/Seat Collar/FSA Headset. $600 shipped!

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    More pics of the frame w/ close ups of the aesthetic issues and close ups of the fork....here

    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8qkz1depx...mCSs2kVv1lEI7a
    Holy crap... Scott you officially suck now!!! LOL I would have taken that off your hands for that price had I known.. Oh well, still happy with my Thumper and the coming Revelation.

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    Re: HammerHead Thumper, thoughts?

    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    Holy crap... Scott you officially suck now!!! LOL I would have taken that off your hands for that price had I known.. Oh well, still happy with my Thumper and the coming Revelation.
    Haha you'll like the revelation. I have that setup exactly. Thumper and revelation xx. I'm at 130mm and it works perfectly though I might bump it up as soon as I find some good instructional videos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoNin9r View Post
    Haha you'll like the revelation. I have that setup exactly. Thumper and revelation xx. I'm at 130mm and it works perfectly though I might bump it up as soon as I find some good instructional videos.

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    LOL! My bad....it was in shambles at the time

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoNin9r View Post
    Haha you'll like the revelation. I have that setup exactly. Thumper and revelation xx. I'm at 130mm and it works perfectly though I might bump it up as soon as I find some good instructional videos.

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    Youtube isn't bad and looking at the manual last night seems like you take the air side apart and on the upper rod there should be a couple spacers. Basically just remove the spacers for 140mm travel, 130mm is 1x10mm spacer, 120mm is 2x10mm & 1x20mm spacer or 2x20mm spacer (spacers apparently can be had through RS).

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    LOL! My bad....it was in shambles at the time
    LOL no worries dude, just bustin' your chops.

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    LOL no worries dude, just bustin' your chops.[/QUOTE]

    Love it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switchback Bikes View Post
    You know what....just in case you ride a size Large....I was getting ready to post this frame in the classifieds and on our FB page.

    It was one of the Hammerhead Thumper demo frames....had it Powerdercoated Orange and Decaled it up w/ Switchback Unveil9 logos.

    The PC was really thick and had a heck of a time putting the frame back together, so it has some aesthetic issues.
    Fork is a 2012 Revelation RCT3 Dual-Air, 20mm Maxle, set at 120m travel....works great, only issue is I lost the front brake guide but those are easily replaceable.

    Frame/Fork/Maxle/Seat Collar/FSA Headset. $600 shipped!

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    More pics of the frame w/ close ups of the aesthetic issues and close ups of the fork....here

    https://www.dropbox.com/sh/8qkz1depx...mCSs2kVv1lEI7a
    Oh...and if you don't like the Red Fork Decals w/ the Orange frame...you can purchase different decals for $9.99 here Rock Shox Revalation 2013 Replacement Color Matched Decal Kit | eBay

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switchback Bikes View Post
    Switchback is doing everything in it's power to help him out. That's why I used the opportunity to post his shock on this thread to try to help out.
    I've also personally been trying to sell it for him via other resources I have at my disposal.
    That's news to me. Especially since you asked if I still had it when you tried to sell me the correct size CCDB Air CS 10 days ago.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 12snap View Post
    That's news to me. Especially since you asked if I still had it when you tried to sell me the correct size CCDB Air CS 10 days ago.
    I apologize if what I was communicating didn't translate correctly. I was trying to communicate that I would sell you the CC DB AIR CS (less than 5 rides on it) for the price you sold your used CC DB AIR shock for...if you had sold it.

    In the end you aren't out any $$ and you have an upgraded shock. That offer is still on the table.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switchback Bikes View Post
    I apologize if what I was communicating didn't translate correctly. I was trying to communicate that I would sell you the CC DB AIR CS (less than 5 rides on it) for the price you sold your used CC DB AIR shock for...if you had sold it.

    In the end you aren't out any $$ and you have an upgraded shock. That offer is still on the table.
    My point is that you stated in this thread that "Switchback is doing everything in it's power to help him out" and "I've personally been trying to sell it for him via other resources I have at my disposal". Yet you didn't even know if I still had the shock. How can you be trying to sell something if you don't even know if it's available?

    A proper proposal would be to offer to trade me the correct size shock for my unsold shock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 12snap View Post
    My point is that you stated in this thread that "Switchback is doing everything in it's power to help him out" and "I've personally been trying to sell it for him via other resources I have at my disposal". Yet you didn't even know if I still had the shock. How can you be trying to sell something if you don't even know if it's available?

    A proper proposal would be to offer to trade me the correct size shock for my unsold shock.
    Why don't we take this discussion direct....sure people aren't interested in seeing us bickering back and forth on this thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switchback Bikes View Post
    Why don't we take this discussion direct....sure people aren't interested in seeing us bickering back and forth on this thread.
    I'm happy to take it direct. Though I'm sure anybody interested in your bikes will want to find out how you handle customer service issues so it's still relevant to the thread. I'll be sure to add a follow up post letting everyone know how things are resolved.

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    I'd be happy to post regarding Scott's customer service.

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    Hey Scott..... You need to check out the paint schema on the new On-One Parkwood.... What they have going on with the decals would look sick on the Thumper/Unveil9...

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    Hey Scott..... You need to check out the paint schema on the new On-One Parkwood.... What they have going on with the decals would look sick on the Thumper/Unveil9...
    Yeah I like that....looks good

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switchback Bikes View Post
    Yeah I like that....looks good
    The irony isn't lost ;-)

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    I've got a Thumper coming to the UK at the moment which apparently will be the first one to get over here! I'll be testing it out at UK Gravity Enduro Races and taking it out to the French Alps for a couple of weeks for downhill singletrack action using the ski lifts. I was planning on using my old 140mm Revelations but I've pushed the boat out and ordered some new 140mm 51mm offset Pikes. I can't wait for it to arrive and get it built!!

    Here's the build, all parts are off my old hardtail except the frame and forks.

    Forks: RockShox Pike 140mm, 51mm offset, black
    Wheels: Stan ZTR Flow rims on silver Hope Pro2 Evo hubs
    Brakes: Shimano XT
    Chainset: XTR M970 cranks with 22/36t chainrings and silver Hope bashring
    Headset and BB: Both Hope
    Gears: Shimano XT 2 x 10 with clutch mech
    seatpost: Reverb (with silver Hope post clamp)
    Stem: Thomson 50mm in silver
    Bars: Ragley wiser 740mm (black)
    Seat: SDG Bel-Air (all I've used for years)
    Tyres: On-One Chunky Monkey / Schwalbe Hans Dampf condition dependent
    Pedals: Shimano XTR SPDs
    Chainguide: Planning on using a Blackspire Stinger when I'm using the lifts in France

    I've also got a set of Crests with 2.4 Conti X-Kings which can be interchanged to lighten and speed things up if necessary although I think they'll spend most of the time on my other, more XC bike.

    When I first found the frames, there was no delivery available to the UK but I got in touch with Scott and he worked it out for me. He now has UK delivery available for $100 on the frames and the same price to some other European countries - works out at an unbelievable price compared to what we can buy over here. Dealing with Scott has been amazing and from reading what you guys have been writing, I know the frame will be superb. I'll post some photos on here when it's built up and I'll let you know my thoughts once I've had a chance to get to know it.

    Thanks Scott!

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    So pumped to have some in The UK rocking a Thumper! Thanks for the update @bluewhiteblade

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    Woohoo! Just got that exact whesl/hub combo (except red) ordered. What spokes did you go with? I went with the dt 2.0/1.5/2.0 and alloy red nips. Should be under 1900g and pretty strong (except maybe the spokes being the weak point).

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    Re: HammerHead Thumper, thoughts?

    Quote Originally Posted by TwoNin9r View Post
    Woohoo! Just got that exact whesl/hub combo (except red) ordered. What spokes did you go with? I went with the dt 2.0/1.5/2.0 and alloy red nips. Should be under 1900g and pretty strong (except maybe the spokes being the weak point).

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    The thin spokes arent a weak point. Spokes only break in the center if they are involved in an impact.

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    In that case... :happy dance:

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    Sweet to see one going across the pond. Working on getting thing wrapped on mine so that I can get her built up and riding.

    From what my wheelbuilder recommended, he said that for my weight/riding (190lbs and semi aggressive) I should do db 2.0/1.5/2.0 spokes and they will be more than strong enough for me.

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    I have the Flow Ex Hope Pro 2 combo on my Thumper, and they are awesome. Super stiff and the volume on tires is amazing.

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    Ugh I can't waitttt

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    LOL.... looks like I am the only cheap-bastage in our group... Going with Halo 29r (being replaced by the Vapour) rims with Taiwanese hubs (same as Circus Monkey) with DT Swiss db 2.0/1.5/2.0 spokes and nipples. Believe that rear hub is 6pawls with 12points of simultaneous engagement on 3 pawls (effectively 36POE). Current pricing the way I have everything laid out will bring me in under $1900 (sans shipping).

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    LOL.... looks like I am the only cheap-bastage in our group...
    Okay...I confess, I am too. The only reason I'm doing this Bike Brand deal is so I can get sweet OE deals and sell a couple frames so they for my personal bikes


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    Re: HammerHead Thumper, thoughts?

    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    LOL.... looks like I am the only cheap-bastage in our group... Going with Halo 29r (being replaced by the Vapour) rims with Taiwanese hubs (same as Circus Monkey) with DT Swiss db 2.0/1.5/2.0 spokes and nipples. Believe that rear hub is 6pawls with 12points of simultaneous engagement on 3 pawls (effectively 36POE). Current pricing the way I have everything laid out will bring me in under $1900 (sans shipping).
    What hubs?

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    Believe he is getting me these....MOYON INTERNATIONAL CO., LTD.

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    My wheels were built in the Hope factory with whatever spokes they use, so I'm not sure - sorry. Mine are the older Pre-EX rims and they are bomb proof. 2 weeks of downhill riding in the alps on a hardtail last year on some of the knarliest terrain you could imagine and they're still totally true - the rear just has a couple of very small dents.

    Before I splashed all my cash on my Thumper and Pikes, my next purchase was planned to be a set of carbon rims from Light Bicycle. They are apparently as good as anything else out there for a fraction of the cost. My mate lives out in the alps and has a set on his 29er hardtail. He had Flows before and says these are big improvement. Lighter, stiffer, stronger - not to mention much sexier to look at!

    35mm wide 29er rims beadless for bicycle trail or mountain bike enduro with tubeless compatibility Light-Bicycle
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    Sorry, I'm trying to bring in an image from their website on here from the above URL. Can anyone tell me how to get it to show?

    The great thing with Hope hubs is, as well as being impeccably reliable, they take about 30s to convert into any fitment configuration. This will be especially handy for me now as one bike as 9mm rear and 20mm front while the new Thumper will be 12x142 rear and 15mm front - I regularly swap both sets of wheels between both bikes. The problem is, I have 3 sets of tyres (sorry, tires!) that I regularly use so could do with a 3rd set of carbon rims ;o)

    Mind you, changing and re-inflating tubeless tyres with a track pump is pretty fast and easy with the Stans rims - just wastes a bit of sealant each time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blueandwhiteblade View Post
    Sorry, I'm trying to bring in an image from their website on here from the above URL. Can anyone tell me how to get it to show?
    Go Advanced, you will see a little "picture frame" you have to use that and then select the URL tab. Drop the image url in there and bam you are good to go.

    Like so...
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    Thanks Greg. I looked in advanced but obviously not well enough. Nice rim!

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    I have the Light Bicycle XC carbon rims on my Jet9, and they are as advertised. Light, super stiff, and easy to set up tubeless. I will eventually upgrade my Flow Ex to the LB wide hookless carbon rim.

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    Good work Captain AM. I have to admit I had skimmed through the thread but was too excited to write my own thing! I read through it afterwards and saw you'd already mentioned the rims. They do sound awesome and great to hear another devotee. I want some! Your bike looks the business too and I was pleased to read how highly you rated it. Can't wait for mine! Hopefully this coming week.

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    Hey Greg. How much for those hubs? I'd like a set

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    Not sure yet as he is still waiting on them (changed on him at the last minute to the 20mm axle for front). You can get pretty much the same thing from BikeHubStore with convertible front and rear.

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    Nice! Thank you!

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    I've also posted these pictures in 'Post your Hammerhead / Switchback' thread but I said I'd show them here so here they are.

    It weighs 13.3kg / 29.3 lb which is pretty good with a reverb and pikes. It will usually be around a kg (2.2 lb) heavier though with Flows and heavy duty tyres fitted.

    Shifter fitted in photos but no front mech yet as the one I had didn't work so I've got a narrow / wide chainring on until the new front mech arrives.

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    very nice... post up more pics and build specs in the Hammerhead/Switchback Bikes thread in the Other Manufacturers section.

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    Do y'all feel it would be neutering this frame to mount up a Fox 32 120mm fork? I've got a Fox 32 120mm CTD FIT Adj Kashima that I don't want to part with. Should put my HTA right around 70*.

    What I like about this frame is: 31.6 post, BSA bottom bracket, 12x142 rear.

    I don't 'need' 130 of squish in the rear (would be just fine with 4.5-5" of travel)

    The closeout price keeps me coming back. I'd be doing a frame swap from a Giant AnthemX 29 (want a little more beef, but don't need an AM bike) with a lightweight XC/trail build (carbon parts wherever possible).
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Thumper on the Rocks!

    whoops. I posted this already but not on the thread I intended! Forgive me if you've already seen it elsewhere on here:

    I took my Thumper out to the Peak District in the UK over the weekend. The photos below don't do it justice but there's some incredibly steep, incredibly rocky sections out there - tricky riding and very tough on any bike.

    The Thumper blew me away. It climbed superbly with the back end just soaking everything up so I could just sit down and efficiently pedal away.

    Downhill - I've never experienced anything like it. So stable, so plush, yet somehow so accurate to steer and keep on line. I usually feel like I'm slightly out of control down these sections and getting pinged about by the rocks. On the Thumper I had so much confidence the bike would go exactly where I wanted and would just squash everything in it's path - I was looking further ahead, riding much more relaxed , going faster, and most importantly, absolutely loving it!! The pictures below really don't do the terrain justice - you'll have to believe me, it's steep, loose and rocky!


    I've also ridden it at a twisty, rooty trail centre at Sherwood Forest. Much, much more pedal efficient than I expected and the handling is just awesome. The lateral stiffness through the whole bike makes the steering so accurate and predictable. Not barge like at all - I wouldn't need this to turn any faster than it does. Loads of grip and feel from both ends too.

    If I'd paid the same £1800 ish ($3000 ish) on a new frame as a couple of my friends have with their Santa Cruz', if it turned up with the same high quality construction and finish as the Thumper and rode as well also, I would be extremely happy!

    Anyone considering options between a 27.5 or 29er...........

    I competed in a UK Gravity enduro even in Wales the weekend before this. The bikes need to be fast downhill in all situations - including plenty of tight twisty stuff, some timed sections have a reasonable amount of pedaling involved also, and then you have an approx 40 minute climb back to the top of the hill for the next timed section down. A great all round test of a bike and rider. The top 3 riders in the Elite class were all on 29ers. Says a lot more to me than what the magazines and bike companies are wanting us all to believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blueandwhiteblade View Post
    That looks like like some serious fun!!

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    I saw that and instantly puckered.... Looks like fun but I know myself and know that more than likely either the bike would come away with scars or myself (likely both) on something like that!

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    I saw that and instantly puckered.... Looks like fun but I know myself and know that more than likely either the bike would come away with scars or myself (likely both) on something like that!
    Its not so bad, the bike will get you through it.

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    That's wet limestone too - it doesn't get more slippy that that stuff. It's the first time I've ever cleared that section in the wet without a foot down and my friend went over his bars on it and hurt himself a fair bit. I took the photo when I was walking back up looking for him when he hadn't appeared at the bottom!

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    Offset Shock Bushings

    A new customer in The UK just sent me this link:

    Burgtec Titanium Offset Shock Hardware | Burgtec

    Offset shock bushing hardware to slacken or steepen your HA....very interesting

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    Re: HammerHead Thumper, thoughts?

    Quote Originally Posted by Switchback Bikes View Post
    A new customer in The UK just sent me this link:

    Burgtec Titanium Offset Shock Hardware | Burgtec

    Offset shock bushing hardware to slacken or steepen your HA....very interesting
    Thats what I need! It should drop the BB as well!

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    Interesting.. but what is the benefit of slacken or going steeper on then shock angles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    Interesting.. but what is the benefit of slacken or going steeper on then shock angles?
    Changes how the bike behaves. A slacker bike is more stable, but it will corner and climb worse. I like a slack bike.

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    It's like my spark frame had a little chip that you could flip to slacken our steepen the hta and it would raise and lower the bb a bit

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    HammerHead Thumper, thoughts?

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    Thats what I need! It should drop the BB as well!

    Thought you would dig it....if you go for a set you'll have to post up a ride report


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    HammerHead Thumper, thoughts?

    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash View Post
    Interesting.. but what is the benefit of slacken or going steeper on then shock angles?

    It adjusts the Effective Eye to Eye distance of the shock which adjusts the Head Angle & BB height....
    Slacker HA, lower BB...better on the DHs & in the high speed turns (more Enduro)
    Steeper HA, higher BB....better on the climbs and in tighter terrain (more Trailbike)



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    Does anyone know the upper (frame side) shock bushing size? 22x8? 22x6?

    I currently have a Burgtec Ti 22x6, 3mm offset shock bushing. Hoping it'll fit this frame.

    Quote Originally Posted by Switchback Bikes View Post
    A new customer in The UK just sent me this link:

    Burgtec Titanium Offset Shock Hardware | Burgtec

    Offset shock bushing hardware to slacken or steepen your HA....very interesting
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    HammerHead Thumper, thoughts?

    Quote Originally Posted by hokiebrett View Post
    Does anyone know the upper (frame side) shock bushing size? 22x8? 22x6?

    I currently have a Burgtec Ti 22x6, 3mm offset shock bushing. Hoping it'll fit this frame.
    Sorry..... 22 x 2.8...front & rear


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    Quote Originally Posted by Switchback Bikes View Post
    Sorry..... 22 x 2.8...front & rear


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    Assuming you mean 22.2x8?

    Scott, I'll be in Tulsa (specially, BA) next week for work. Do you do yours? Visits? Local pickup options?
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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    Quote Originally Posted by hokiebrett View Post
    Assuming you mean 22.2x8?

    Scott, I'll be in Tulsa (specially, BA) next week for work. Do you do yours? Visits? Local pickup options?
    HA! Yep...typo....traveling next week too....e-mail me, like to coordinate meeting up though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Switchback Bikes View Post
    Working on a Hammerhead Thumper graphics to Switchback Unveil9 Powdercoat/Graphics transition....here's a peak

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    How much to custom Powdercoat one of the remaining Thumpers in XL?
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    Don't think he has any XLs left... If you do Scott send me a quick message as I may have someone that wants one.

    And she is done!!!! Shakedown ride to happen in a couple days!

    Untitled by renofizz, on Flickr

    Untitled by renofizz, on Flickr

    So stoked to get this out! Will take some better photos when I get the chance to actually set her up. And since I got my new Canon EF to EF-M adapter last night I can play with some of my other lenses now! Not that the 22mm on my M was a bad lens. Now I am seriously looking at a good UWA lens but the wife has already made threats against me if I buy anything else before she gets a new paddleboard!

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    How much to custom Powdercoat one of the remaining Thumpers in XL?
    Us getting them powdercoated and updated graphics applied didn't really take off....people have been choosing to do that on their own....a local PCer can give you a quote....the going rate seems to be $150-$200 depending on complexity of the PC

    We have Gry Anodized and the Black Cherry Painted frames in stock in Size XL

    We also have the Unveil9 frames going through the final stages of Anodizing/Decals/Assembly. We are expecting those to be ready to ship in Sept (waiting on the Monarch RC3 Plus Debonair shocks).
    I may be able to work out a pre-order price on one of those if interested

    Here is a behind the curtain look at some of the Ano/Decal/QC process

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