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    Good job! Guerrilla Gravity Trail Pistol Review

    I have two weeks on my trail pistol including the BME race in Steamboat and Apex/Enchanted, which is my goto test trail, so thought I'd post a review... Short answer is that it is noticeably better than the evil following in all areas and rivals my old Remedy 9.9 as the best bike I've ever owned.
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    The GG Trail Pistol is a 120mm travel 29er skewed much more to the aggressive end of the spectrum. The owner of GG told me that they were aiming to make a better version of the Evil Following - and the similarities are apparent. 66 degree head angle and 13.3 BB with a 140mm fork, 16.9" chain stays, progressive suspension and a very stiff frame. It can run 27.5 plus tires as well (Boost!), and there is a flip chip on the shock linkage that can be switched to "plush" mode when running plus tires that lifts the BB to compensate for the smaller wheels, steepens the head tube angle and modifies the leverage curve to suit the big tires. I never tried this mode so I'll have to take their word for it... More info here: Guerrilla Gravity | Trail Pistol | Info, Geometry, and Specs

    About Me
    I'm 5'-10" and 170 pounds and consider myself an aggressive rider. I like climbing but definitely live for the downhills. I race enduro and DH occasionally. I like bike park days and epic days in the back country equally. I'm coming of an Evil Following and a GG Megatrail so my review will be a comparison to these two bikes.

    I typically ride medium frames but I opted to get the small Trail Pistol - my first small frame ever. GG definitely are pushing the limits of slack, long and low and my medium Megatrail always felt a touch long for me. The Trail Pistol has a very steep seat angle so the top tube numbers are a bit misleading - the small has a 23" top tube, which seems short, but the reach is 17.3" and the wheelbase is 46.2" For comparison the Medium Evil following has a 45" wheelbase and 16.5" reach with a 24" top tube. So the small GG has an inch longer front center than the medium following. I also have a negative ape factor in that my wing span is 2" shorter than my height - so the Small just made more sense to me. The small seat tube is 16.5", which is kind of nice because you can run a 170mm dropper if you want. My 150mm dropper only has 3" of post extending from the frame. When setup at my correct ride height I have to push the seat back in the rails about 1" from center to get my preferred butt to hand measurement when seated with a 50mm stem. If you're less than 5'11", I'd strongly recommend looking into getting a small. At least ride both before you buy. The small feels perfect for me.

    My Trail Pistol is built with an X1 drive train, Race Face turbine cranks, MRP stage fork, Lev 150 dropper post, guide brakes, Super Deluxe metric shock, race face cockpit and I splurged and upgraded to the I9 trail wheels . I'm running Maxxis DHF EXO 2.3 on the front and DHR EXO 2.3 on the back. Bike weighs 30 pounds with pedals. You could probably get it down to around 28 with more carbon and lighter tires but you really don't feel the weight while riding. I have the MRP stage set at 150mm (same A-C as a pike at 140mm). I'm running 90psi in the fork with the ramp up a couple clicks more progressive then halfway, and 170psi in the rear (about 30% sag) with an additional volume spacer.

    Climbing
    This has been the biggest surprise to me so far. It climbs incredibly. It climbs much better than the megatrail which was no slouch for a 6" bike. It also climbs noticeably better then the Evil Following, which shares the same geo and travel. I think it has most to do with the steep seat angle putting you in a better climbing position and the suspension is more supportive than the evil. With the 140 fork the evil would sometimes wallow on steeper climbs and the front tire would get very light. Ive never had those problems with the Trail Pistol even with the fork set to 150mm. The steep seat tube angle keeps your weight forward and it likes to stay high in the travel even with the sag set to 30%. With the shock set to climb there is no bobbing while or seated or standing. I've been climbing with it in open because there is still no bobbing while seated, and very little movement while standing but much better traction. Rear pivot is right in line with my 30t ring so I think it was optimized for the 30t but haven't tried it with other sizes yet. There is no pedal kickback or other funny things when climbing up and over ledges. Suspension stays active when climbing but doesn't bob - feels a lot like the newer Yetis when climbing.

    I think it would feel like an XC bike while climbing if you threw a pair of light wheels on there with fast rolling tires, especially with the steep seat tube. The best climbing bike I've ever owned. Better than my Remedy, SB66, megatrail and following without a doubt. My favorite thing about the climbing is that I can stand and sprint and not feel like the suspension is sucking my energy away. Despite the 30# weight I've been PR'ing a bunch of climbs without trying very hard.

    Descending

    Given the previous bikes from GG and the fact that the Evil was the target they were aiming for I knew it would descend well. Question was if they could match the Evils bottomless feel while improving the bottom out (I always bottomed the evil). Short answer is they succeeded. It feels very similar to the following when riding at a normal pace. It's super agile, very poppy, and small bump compliance is very good. I has that same bottomless feel, but definitely more supportive through the whole travel range. The differences really come out when you start to push the speed and choose lines poorly. The super deluxe is a much better shock than the stock monarch on the evil - the damping is more consistent, there is noticeably less stiction and I can't get it to bottom with 30% sag. I just recently raced it at the Steamboat BME and my best stage was the DH course Rawhide where I finished 3rd. I didn't feel like I'd be any faster on my Megatrail. I just turned the ramp up on my MRP and added a couple more PSI to the shock and I was downhilling. Where the evil inspires confidence but then gets you into trouble when you choose silly lines the GG stays composed. It feels like it has 140mm of travel, and the rear feels surprisingly balanced with the 150mm fork. On Apex I felt faster everywhere, compared to both the Megatrail and the Evil. The only time the bike starts to feel unsettled is in high speed large chunky sections with g-outs where all of the travel is being used at every hit - think steep rock gardens with holes and big square edges. I think I'd choose the Trail Pistol over the Megatrail at Winter Park and Steamboat, but not Keystone, if that makes any sense. I'd have no problem riding it at Keystone and Whistler, but It can't match a 6" bike when the speed and amplitude picks up.

    When jumping the bike is super poppy and likes to launch off everything. It has that same playful feel as the following that everyone seems to love. You need to slow the rear suspension down a couple clicks when hitting jump trails because the bike is so poppy you'll overshoot everything.

    When braking there is no brake jack and the rear stays composed even through braking bumps. The fork feels less composed in the braking bumps than the rear, and not as good as the pike or Fox. Braking bumps are the only weakness of the MRP and the only thing it can't do better then the competition.

    It corners as well as the the megatrail and following with the low BB and super stiff rear end. It is a touch quicker than the megatrail on tight switch backs, though not as quick as the following.

    Components
    The MRP stage is amazing. I love the ramp control - I use it all the time. You can dial up the bottom out to suit the speed and flavor of the trail without needed to add pressure. Super low stiction out of box. I love that you can change the travel between 120 and 150 with internal spacers in about 20 minutes. The tradeoff is the fork is heavy. Damper is as good as the pike, except when in braking bumps.

    Super Deluxe shock is also very impressive. Low stiction means small bump sensitivity is really good. It is very supportive and ramps us nicely. Damper is excellent and didn't fade in Steamboat on 15 minute descents. High speed compression tune might be a bit too heavy for the 170psi pressure I run.

    The Lev 150 has been flawless. Setup wasn't bad and the southpaw is a must have upgrade.

    The X1 drivetrain is as expected. I don't like that SRAM has driven a pin into the clutch body now so you can't adjust the clutch tension anymore. Stock clutch tension is too light IMO.

    Race face cranks and cockpit are great - no complaints.

    I still love the guide brakes - no fade and great feel. Bleeding can be touchy to get the feel you want.

    The I9 wheels are amazing and worth the money. Stiffer and lighter than everything else I've ridden. Best upgrade you can make on a 29er.

    Overview
    The good:
    Build kit and price point are great
    Super fun to climb, ride, descend, jump - riding slow or fast
    Fit and finish is pro
    Designed and built in Denver
    Best climbing bike I've ever owned - love the steep seat tube.
    Descends like it has 20mm more travel, and doesn't bottom when you choose silly lines
    Suspension kinematics are on point - would love to try with a coil shock
    Better than my Evil Following
    Faster then my Megatrail for 95% of my riding
    Can run 27.5 plus, if thats your thing
    On track to be the best bike I've ever owned

    Could be better:
    The sizing might catch a few people out who only look at the top tube numbers and not the reach.
    The stock FSA chain was garbage. Made a bunch of noise even when properly lubed and then just fell off my bike in the middle of my race run - the quick links felt loose at installation.
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    Excellent review. Thanks.
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    Great and thorough review. A couple of my thoughts after 1 demo using the B+ wheel version. Would echo many of the sentiments above. I've been keen to try some B+ wheeled bikes and this new rig at top of that list. While I only got 1 ride, there is a lot of goodness going on with the TP! Interesting that Im barely a shade over 5' 6" and found the fit to be great as well.
    - The steeper seat angle indeed made it easy to sit and spin up stuff and do so comfortably - regardless of pitch, technical etc...
    - Comparing geo/numbers i thought it might feel like a big long bike - hardly - only feels long when you want it to. Otherwise nimble to carve the tightest switchbacks.
    - Bike is balanced. Climbs well, descends well.
    - I found the B+ to allow you to look at any rock/tech feature and instead of picking a line, go straight it - up and over.
    - I'm also sure i didn't get the sweet spot on tire pressure - and would be keen to really dial it in against suspension. Yet - for the quick simple setup - the bike worked very very well.
    - I rode it w Bomboloni 3.0. I "believe" the new Minion 2.8 could be the winner on this bike - don't know - just thinking out loud
    - Roots completely disappear and especially dealing over a snakey mess of em - the tire ensures no flinch whatsoever and keeps the bike tracking on course.
    - I really wanted to go back to back and try the 29er wheels as well - but work and weather didn't allow it. I will grab another ride. I like the idea of a multi-wheel capable bike - or 'horse for the course'

    Kudos again to GG for creating a heck of a handmade in the USA bike!

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    Man, that is a sick looking bike......I am reconsidering my color choice.....The None more black looks really good.....Thanks for the write up.

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    Crap - just realized the photos are upside down. They're correct on my computer - anyone know how to make them right side up?

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    Nice little write up!

    Seeing as you raced the TP, do you no longer have the MT?

    Did you race Keystone?

    I ask because I feel like I would still need a 6" bike for the races, in addition to a TP for local front range type rides.
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    this makes me almost second guess my megatrail direction.
    but pretty sure it will be great too.

    maybe try to justify another bike next year....

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    Interesting points about how it compare to the Following. This thing came out right after I picked up my Following, otherwise I would have seriously considered it. One thing I have noticed (and where I disagree with the Evil guys) regarding the Following is that it absolutely requires bottom out spacers in the rear shock. At 170 lbs, I needed 2 spacers at 28% sag to keep it from bottoming regularly. Guys who ride burly terrain absolutely need the spacers in my opinion.

    In my opinion, the aspect of shock selection other than the Monarch that comes with the Following is a major selling point. I can't help but feel that the Monarch on the Following shows its limitations on repeated big hits, and I can only imagine that the larger oil volume and new trickery in the Super Deluxe makes a major difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by esilvassy View Post
    this makes me almost second guess my megatrail direction.
    But pretty sure it will be great too.

    Maybe try to justify another bike next year....
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    Quote Originally Posted by SylentK View Post
    Nice little write up!

    Seeing as you raced the TP, do you no longer have the MT?

    Did you race Keystone?

    I ask because I feel like I would still need a 6" bike for the races, in addition to a TP for local front range type rides.
    Sold the MT to my neighbor ripper dude - so hopefully I can take her out for s spin now and again

    No keystone this year - was out of town. I'd have no reservations racing keystone on the trail pistol - but I think a 6" bike is the best tool for the job at keystone. The TP would be faster a WP no doubt.

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    Quote Originally Posted by zhendo View Post
    Interesting points about how it compare to the Following. This thing came out right after I picked up my Following, otherwise I would have seriously considered it. One thing I have noticed (and where I disagree with the Evil guys) regarding the Following is that it absolutely requires bottom out spacers in the rear shock. At 170 lbs, I needed 2 spacers at 28% sag to keep it from bottoming regularly. Guys who ride burly terrain absolutely need the spacers in my opinion.

    In my opinion, the aspect of shock selection other than the Monarch that comes with the Following is a major selling point. I can't help but feel that the Monarch on the Following shows its limitations on repeated big hits, and I can only imagine that the larger oil volume and new trickery in the Super Deluxe makes a major difference.
    Yeah - that is the limitation that I found with the following as well. The shock was a bit overmatched when the speed and amplitude picked up. I tried it with two volume spacers and I thought it took away some of the playfulness that made the bike so great. It ramped earlier and didn't have the same bottomless feel or pop. I went back to no volume spacers and just added a few psi and lived with a bottom out every once in a while. There is no way I could have raced it that way though - would have needed the volume reducers...

    The super deluxe is pretty amazing and I think it allows the bike to be pushed farther than the following. It's very supple off the top but feels way more supportive. Almost like it has more low and high speed damping. I actually thought it was over damped at first, but I realized that it's the spring curve doing it's magic. Still haven't had a hard bottom out and I run 30% sag. I also like that you can swap volume chips without removing the shock from the bike - just unscrew the can and slot the chip onto the damping shaft. I'm gonna pull my additional chip out and go back to the stock configuration and see if I can bottom it. Also the shaft is 55mm even though it's a 50mm stroke shock. Theoretically you can remove the travel reducer in the shock body and turn it into a 55mm stroke shock and get 133mm of travel. The GG guys said a 29X2.3 will not rub with the 55mm stroke - so Im def trying that as well. Not sure if the damping id different between the 50mm and 55mm so I need to talk to RS first...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dustyduke22 View Post
    n+1 ......
    1 = Trail Pistol.

    What size demos do you guys have? (Assuming GG is following here)
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    Quote Originally Posted by rudeboybl View Post
    Yeah - that is the limitation that I found with the following as well. The shock was a bit overmatched when the speed and amplitude picked up. I tried it with two volume spacers and I thought it took away some of the playfulness that made the bike so great. It ramped earlier and didn't have the same bottomless feel or pop. I went back to no volume spacers and just added a few psi and lived with a bottom out every once in a while. There is no way I could have raced it that way though - would have needed the volume reducers...

    The super deluxe is pretty amazing and I think it allows the bike to be pushed farther than the following. It's very supple off the top but feels way more supportive. Almost like it has more low and high speed damping. I actually thought it was over damped at first, but I realized that it's the spring curve doing it's magic. Still haven't had a hard bottom out and I run 30% sag. I also like that you can swap volume chips without removing the shock from the bike - just unscrew the can and slot the chip onto the damping shaft. I'm gonna pull my additional chip out and go back to the stock configuration and see if I can bottom it. Also the shaft is 55mm even though it's a 50mm stroke shock. Theoretically you can remove the travel reducer in the shock body and turn it into a 55mm stroke shock and get 133mm of travel. The GG guys said a 29X2.3 will not rub with the 55mm stroke - so Im def trying that as well. Not sure if the damping id different between the 50mm and 55mm so I need to talk to RS first...
    That is really interesting about the little bit of extra travel. Sounds like a fun experiment. Hopefully I can try it myself soon

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    Awesome!

    Looking to replace my YT Capra with a super fun short travel 29er and this is at the top of my crazy long list. Thanks for the review and solidifying that this needs to be my next bike! Considering 27.5+ instead of the 29er too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rally Blue View Post
    Looking to replace my YT Capra with a super fun short travel 29er and this is at the top of my crazy long list. Thanks for the review and solidifying that this needs to be my next bike! Considering 27.5+ instead of the 29er too.
    How many wheelsets do you need for this bike? Simple, N+1...

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    The demo fleet has small, medium, and large, and they're all at the Wydaho festival this weekend. So, if you're near Grand Targhee Resort and want to ride one, go find Thomas with the GG demo fleet and take one out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg7aa View Post
    The demo fleet has small, medium, and large, and they're all at the Wydaho festival this weekend. So, if you're near Grand Targhee Resort and want to ride one, go find Thomas with the GG demo fleet and take one out.
    I"ll be there, looking forward to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WKD-RDR View Post
    1 = Trail Pistol.

    What size demos do you guys have? (Assuming GG is following here)
    We have small through large demos in the fleet now, with 29 and 27+ wheelsets.

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    When does the XL drop?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevada 29er View Post
    When does the XXL drop?
    Not sure, but my Medium shipped today!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dustyduke22 View Post
    Not sure, but my Medium shipped today!

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    Dusty, do you think put an avy' shock on it ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by freddok View Post
    Dusty, do you think put an avy' shock on it ?
    Craig is waiting to make a decision on that one. He wants to make sure the leverage curve will pay nice with a coil. I just got the Super Deluxe for now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevada 29er View Post
    When does the XXL drop?
    How tall are you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg7aa View Post
    How tall are you?
    6.5' I meant XL, sizing is like an XXL tho.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dustyduke22 View Post
    Craig is waiting to make a decision on that one. He wants to make sure the leverage curve will pay nice with a coil. I just got the Super Deluxe for now.

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    To be exact, when I say avy' shock, I'm thinking coil... The TP is a really nice frame but the metric shock sizing is reductant

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    A coil spring should work great on a Trail Pistol. As soon as one is available, we'll be trying it, but it was designed to be compatible. I know Push is working on an ElevenSix for 210x50, but I think they are overloaded at the moment, and there is no availability date.

    freddok: I'm not sure what you mean by reductant.

    XL's are coming down the pipeline in a month or so. There's already some in the queue, and we need to get them rolling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg7aa View Post
    A coil spring should work great on a Trail Pistol. As soon as one is available, we'll be trying it, but it was designed to be compatible. I know Push is working on an ElevenSix for 210x50, but I think they are overloaded at the moment, and there is no availability date.

    freddok: I'm not sure what you mean by reductant.

    XL's are coming down the pipeline in a month or so. There's already some in the queue, and we need to get them rolling.
    Sorry, I'm french and my english is maybe approximative... :-) I wanted to say that there not much choice of coil shock for the TP. Push 11-6 is nice but cost a lot... Why metric sizing choice for the TP frame instead of imperial for the MT ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by freddok View Post
    Sorry, I'm french and my english is maybe approximative... :-) I wanted to say that there not much choice of coil shock for the TP. Push 11-6 is nice but cost a lot... Why metric sizing choice for the TP frame instead of imperial for the MT ?
    Ah. The coil sprung shock choices are limited....right now. There are many options coming, and we made the call to use metric sizing due to the fact more people buying a new bike wanted the new shock choices, shock companies are already beginning to phase out the older sizes at the OEM level, and we don't want to redesign the frame next year.
    If you want a coil shock on a Trail Pistol, my recommendation is to get a Deluxe R with it in the near term, which isn't all that expensive, and wait until there are a few options of coil shocks available. If that's your only hangup, we can work with you on the price of a coil shock in the future when available.

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    I'm 6'4"/215#.... I currently have a large Megatrail. I originally ordered an XL frame TP, but switched to a Large. It is only slightly longer reach/stack and wheelbase than my current ride, and I love it so that's why I switched my order. I've been see sawing back and forth over my decision, but figure why mess with it if It works well for me. I think if I was taller I'd go XL.

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    Quote Originally Posted by azfishman View Post
    I'm 6'4"/215#.... I currently have a large Megatrail. I originally ordered an XL frame TP, but switched to a Large. It is only slightly longer reach/stack and wheelbase than my current ride, and I love it so that's why I switched my order. I've been see sawing back and forth over my decision, but figure why mess with it if It works well for me. I think if I was taller I'd go XL.
    Ah, I saw your name tagged on a large frame, and it confuddled me. Makes sense now.

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    Yep. Very close to the MT, which I'm comfortable on. Finally figured out the build/color. Can't wait!

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    @ dusty, really looking forward to your thoughts when it comes to comparing to the Riot. Especially if Craig decides to tune something for the TP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigcrs View Post
    @ dusty, really looking forward to your thoughts when it comes to comparing to the Riot. Especially if Craig decides to tune something for the TP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dustyduke22 View Post
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    Do you have a similar build planned?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigcrs View Post
    Do you have a similar build planned?
    Yup. Robbing my Avy cart out of my non boost 36 to put in the new 140mm 36. Blue Hope kit, Super Deluxe shock etc. Should be a fun build.

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    Send Craig my way if he wants to build coil shocks for the Trail Pistol. I can work with him to get it dialed in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dustyduke22 View Post
    You and me both! T minus 2 days. ..

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    Can't wait. You should come out and check out my new trail once it's built.


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    Quote Originally Posted by mtg7aa View Post
    Send Craig my way if he wants to build coil shocks for the Trail Pistol. I can work with him to get it dialed in.
    Will do.

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    Keen to get your impressions of the TP Dusty! Have you got er built up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kamper11 View Post
    Keen to get your impressions of the TP Dusty! Have you got er built up?
    I have and only have 1 ride in so far. It's very similar to my Riot in some ways, and not very similar in others. I want to get a little more time in so I can have a better idea of how it behaves.



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    Interested to hear your thoughts on the riot vs the trail pistol. I currently own a riot but used to live 15 min from the GG shop. They built my wheels for the riot (also cut my steerer tube down, installed the headset, and cut my brake lines). Great group of guys there! I would love to support them and purchase a trail pistol, but I am trying my absolute hardest to keep any bike for more than a year. The riot I find awesome, but I have been going through more shock eyelet bushings than I have on any other FS bike. Also, I feel like the super short chainstays while fun, make the chainline real bad in the easiest gear (42t rear). I have broken/bent quite a few links on several chains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrniceguy42 View Post
    Interested to hear your thoughts on the riot vs the trail pistol. I currently own a riot but used to live 15 min from the GG shop. They built my wheels for the riot (also cut my steerer tube down, installed the headset, and cut my brake lines). Great group of guys there! I would love to support them and purchase a trail pistol, but I am trying my absolute hardest to keep any bike for more than a year. The riot I find awesome, but I have been going through more shock eyelet bushings than I have on any other FS bike. Also, I feel like the super short chainstays while fun, make the chainline real bad in the easiest gear (42t rear). I have broken/bent quite a few links on several chains.
    Here is a quick pic.

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    Guerrilla Gravity Trail Pistol Review-pce1.jpg

    Once I can beat on this bike for more miles, I'll put together a more complete review. Still, I wanted to share my initial thoughts on the matter (that, and I wanted to get this picture up). Sharing what I posted on another forum this morning.

    I'm pleasantly surprised at how well this bike pedals! I didn't feel any wallow while mashing the pedals, but it wasn't so supportive that it let trail chatter through. I wasn't disappointed at all by running an air shock out of the starting gate. I didn't get more than a couple of dozen miles on the bike this weekend (was helping lead a mtb skills clinic, in the rain), but the sections of trail I rode were all PRs. I expected it to be very stable due to the geometry and wheelbase, but at the same time, it wasn't slow at all to turn through switchbacks and tighter sections. I'm 235 lbs. with gear right now, and never came close to bottoming out the Super Deluxe shock- but it will be for sale once Push finishes their work on the 11.6 for this application (I have one on my other bike that will get converted).

    I did expect my actual cockpit set-up to be a tad longer than what it turned out to be on the Trail Pistol, but a few factors could lead into that: I'm 6'3" with monkey arms, my other bike has a much slacker seat tube, and 800mm bars are new to me. My last bike has more than an inch longer effective top tube on the TP, but I'm not looking for a new front triangle just yet. I'm going to get comfortable with it, and let my riding position acclimate, but I kept trying to slide back on the seat while I was hammering smoother sections of the trail. I think the frame is probably right for me, but I might mess around with a longer stem after a month or two (if winter holds off long enough).

    I'm riding 29" wheels currently, and nothing stood in my way. I do have a Plus wheelset built up to test out as well, just to see how both sides of the coin look, but I want to beat on the wagon wheels while the trail is pristine.

    I'll get out on more technical trails this weekend, and we will see how well this Pistol shoots!

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    Maybe a dopey question but- do you have to run a side load water bottle cage? Does a large (16oz+) bottle fit? Thanks!

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    There's not much clearance once the bottle is in there- but it will hold a 20oz. Purist bottle that the LBS gave me. I don't think a conventional cage works with the space.If you purchase the N.U.T.S. kit, it comes with a GG water bottle.

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    Gotcha.

    How do you guys think the TP would handle lift service duty? Obviously its not a DH bike, but for enduro racing etc. Does the 120 rear get overwhelmed easily or is it ok?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mdc View Post
    Gotcha.

    How do you guys think the TP would handle lift service duty? Obviously its not a DH bike, but for enduro racing etc. Does the 120 rear get overwhelmed easily or is it ok?
    Compared to my Riot, it won't do as well on the lift trails. You will be able to do it, but it will beat you up pretty good

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    Quote Originally Posted by rudeboybl View Post
    [...] the shaft is 55mm even though it's a 50mm stroke shock. Theoretically you can remove the travel reducer in the shock body and turn it into a 55mm stroke shock and get 133mm of travel.
    Does the travel reducer exist simply to allow more shock specs from a given number of bodies (i.e. reduce inventory) or to ensure adequate IFP pressure chamber volume? Insufficient IFP chamber volume (especially on the old 200 mm x 57 mm) was one of the reasons to create the new shock length standards, so it would be a shame to recreate the prior performance and reliability issues with a new shock.

    If there is adequate IFP chamber volume with the reducer removed, this could be a fun modification. Perhaps it would be simple enough to create a slightly thinner reducer that could preserve 29" x 2.5" clearance while gaining a tiny bit of travel?
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    How is everyone finding the wheelbase?
    Looking at their specs. online it is 40-50mm longer than other bikes in the 27.5 category.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Apache1 View Post
    How is everyone finding the wheelbase?
    Looking at their specs. online it is 40-50mm longer than other bikes in the 27.5 category.
    Too bad the Trail Pistol is a 29er?
    I like 'em long, low, slack and playful

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