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    GEAX AKA TNT and Stans flow hoops?

    Anybody have any experience with the GEAX AKA TNT 29er tire and a Flow rim? Do they fit any better than the Saguaro TNT or is it the same ol story? I would like to try the AKA's but not if they fit ( or dont fit ) like a TNT Saguaro. I am sure the non-TNT fit just fine.

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    I have heard that the TNT style tires from GEAX are the problem, not the specific model. If you have not gotten them yet go for the Folding as I have read they seal up just as nicely as the TNT do on other rims without problems like the TNT on the Flows.

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    Hey guys... what does TNT mean? Sorry for the dumb question.

    I use the Sagurao on Arch rims and they are the best set up I have ever used? whife uses one for the front on here Crest wheels..again 100% zero problems.
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    My American Classic 29 tubeless wheels have Geax Barro Race TNT tires mounted and they fit extremely well.
    Mount and fill them with no problems sealing.
    They aren,t as light as I,d like though at 675g and 687g.
    The TNT label is Geax version of UST, it refers to " Tubes No Tubes"

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    Quote Originally Posted by DAVE LEVETT
    My American Classic 29 tubeless wheels have Geax Barro Race TNT tires mounted and they fit extremely well.
    Mount and fill them with no problems sealing.
    They aren,t as light as I,d like though at 675g and 687g.
    The TNT label is Geax version of UST, it refers to " Tubes No Tubes"

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    Roger that, thanks. Mine are the folding bead standard model.
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    TNT stands for Tubes. no tubes. The TNT are there tubeless version with a tougher sidewall. They are only TNT if they say somewhere on the side.

    I was hoping that the good folks at GEAX would have listened to the feedback on the TNT saguaro tires and fixed the problem with the new AKA Was hoping to find someone who has tried it first hand. there is always the chance they did......

    For those who have never had the pleasure, fitting a TNT 29er tire to Stans rims is almost like trying to fit a 26 onto a 29. No Joke, Most other rims work just fine. there is something with the stans design that dose not jive with the TNT. I have a picture somewhere i will try to find and share. Dont be mistaken, the non TNT tires fit just fine on stans rims.

    Thanks-JF

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    This is about as good as it gets with the TNT, broke 2 irons getting it past this point. Yes the bead is at the bottom of the rim.
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    Most UST beads are too tight for Stan's from what I hear.
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    jmfab - I bought some park steel tire levers which work but I ended up scratching rim. it was the hardest tire I've ever put on.

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    I ended up with the spin doctor steel core levers, I also scratched up my rim pretty good. I really like the GEAX TNT tires, but the fit is a deal breaker. I may try the Bontrager FR3 next. The team edition is said to fit the stans rims and is not much more weight than the TNT.

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    My TNT AKAs came in @740gm and my Team FR3s @900gm. The FR3s mount up well to Flows and lose very little air. The TNTs were a B to get on my Enve rims, but the AKAs were a little easier than the Sagauros. The AKAs are noticeably faster, because of weight are tread design.

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    Is it just a problem with the Stans hoops?

    It ended up being about a 20 minute wrestling match, to put a TnT Saguaro on my Bontrager Dusters, which wasn't too different from other tubeless tires I've mounted.
    Definitely worth it too.

    EDIT: I saw you answered my question in post #6.

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    I never had any problems mounting the Tnt saguaros to my flows, wasnt that impressed with the tires though, wore out too fast. the FR3s are good, the Specialized purgatorys are even better (2.2 version)

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    I ordered some TNTs and was shipped the regular tube-type version.
    I can tell you the casing seems identical to TNT... burly as hell. They aired up no problem, never weep, and don't lose pressure.
    I don't have stan's rims on the bike they're on, but as far as Geax tubetype tires and tubeless, it works great.
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    Thanks everybody for all the good info! I think i have decided to give the team FR3's a go around this time. I LOVE LOVE the GEAX tires, and 95% of the time the TNT's are bulletproof. However i have some remote trips planed that require that I be able to fix a flat on the trail. In 5 attempts to put a tube in a TNT on a stans rim i have failed and destroyed the tube. For local rides where the longest walk was 10 miles this is fine with me. But what i have planned walking is not an option. I considered using the non TNT, they are normally pretty tough, but I need more on this trip. I currently am running non TNT ( tubeless ) on both my bikes and i love em. I am glad to hear the AKA's are a bit better than the saguaros, I will give them a go on my next local set of tires.

    BTW... How come it is a common deal to order TNT's and get standard? That has also happened to me and a friend. I Am guessing it is because QBP last i checked does not have a separate PN# for the TNT????? It is also vague on most popular web sites..... That is my best guess.

    Thanks again- JF

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimfab
    Thanks everybody for all the good info! I think i have decided to give the team FR3's a go around this time. I LOVE LOVE the GEAX tires, and 95% of the time the TNT's are bulletproof. However i have some remote trips planed that require that I be able to fix a flat on the trail. In 5 attempts to put a tube in a TNT on a stans rim i have failed and destroyed the tube. For local rides where the longest walk was 10 miles this is fine with me. But what i have planned walking is not an option. I considered using the non TNT, they are normally pretty tough, but I need more on this trip. I currently am running non TNT ( tubeless ) on both my bikes and i love em. I am glad to hear the AKA's are a bit better than the saguaros, I will give them a go on my next local set of tires.

    BTW... How come it is a common deal to order TNT's and get standard? That has also happened to me and a friend. I Am guessing it is because QBP last i checked does not have a separate PN# for the TNT????? It is also vague on most popular web sites..... That is my best guess.

    Thanks again- JF
    I have had this same problem too on ordering TNT and getting the std ones. I chatted with one of their local reps at a swap meet and he said TNT version of tires are in real short supply right now. He wasn't sure what was going on though.

    I love the Geax TNT tires. Tough, respectable weight, and grippy compounds.

    For what it's worth, TNT tires are hard to put on my Mavic 819 rims, but not impossible. You have to make sure you get the bead all the way in the "UST channel" on the rim. Otherwise, it isn't happening...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by ziscwg
    I have had this same problem too on ordering TNT and getting the std ones. I chatted with one of their local reps at a swap meet and he said TNT version of tires are in real short supply right now. He wasn't sure what was going on though.

    I love the Geax TNT tires. Tough, respectable weight, and grippy compounds.

    For what it's worth, TNT tires are hard to put on my Mavic 819 rims, but not impossible. You have to make sure you get the bead all the way in the "UST channel" on the rim. Otherwise, it isn't happening...........
    weird... sounding less like a coincidence.
    i didn't know about the QBP thing.
    so there is even variation among "standard" tires with ETRTO-spec (tubeless) beads, not surprising i guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather
    weird... sounding less like a coincidence.
    i didn't know about the QBP thing.
    so there is even variation among "standard" tires with ETRTO-spec (tubeless) beads, not surprising i guess.
    why would a standard tire have a tubeless bead?
    I dont know how much faith I put into any of the "tubeless standards" seems like UST is getting a bit vague , someone mentioned Bontrager rims being UST with the strips?? wouldnt that make any ghetto setup with a rim strip UST?
    some of the tires lately have been pushing the limits as well. Dont get me wrong, I prefer tubeless ready tires and a true UST rim , but especially for 29" there isnt much selection for UST

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan0
    why would a standard tire have a tubeless bead?
    it wouldn't... that's not what i meant, i meant the tubeless "standard" as in conforming to a standard specification, which is published by the European Tire and Rim Technical Organisation (ETRTO).
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    I dont know how much faith I put into any of the "tubeless standards" seems like UST is getting a bit vague , someone mentioned Bontrager rims being UST with the strips??
    it's not vague... it's a very specific quantitative description of the bead shape published by the ETRTO. there is no requirement that the rim not have holes or not use a strip or tape to seal it... never has been, Mavic has just been successful in creating that illusion, whether knowingly or not.
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    wouldnt that make any ghetto setup with a rim strip UST?
    no. the bead has to conform to certain dimensions, and for clarity, "UST" is just a trademarked logo, the actual specification of tubeless tires is published by the ETRTO. Mavic published the standard for free, but requires a licensing agreement if you want to use the UST logo.
    Quote Originally Posted by dan0
    some of the tires lately have been pushing the limits as well. Dont get me wrong, I prefer tubeless ready tires and a true UST rim , but especially for 29" there isnt much selection for UST
    the 29er UST selection is limited to two models from Maxxis and maaaybe some NOS Geax tires from ~2 years ago that are no longer in production.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather
    it wouldn't... that's not what i meant, i meant the tubeless "standard" as in conforming to a standard specification, which is published by the European Tire and Rim Technical Organisation (ETRTO).

    it's not vague... it's a very specific quantitative description of the bead shape published by the ETRTO. there is no requirement that the rim not have holes or not use a strip or tape to seal it... never has been, Mavic has just been successful in creating that illusion, whether knowingly or not.

    no. the bead has to conform to certain dimensions, and for clarity, "UST" is just a trademarked logo, the actual specification of tubeless tires is published by the ETRTO. Mavic published the standard for free, but requires a licensing agreement if you want to use the UST logo.

    the 29er UST selection is limited to two models from Maxxis and maaaybe some NOS Geax tires from ~2 years ago that are no longer in production.
    I wasnt commenting on the etrto standard, I was commenting on the Mavic UST standard
    if you have a copy I'd like to see it, so far no one has been able to provide one

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan0
    I wasnt commenting on the etrto standard, I was commenting on the Mavic UST standard
    if you have a copy I'd like to see it, so far no one has been able to provide one
    there is no "UST standard." UST is a trademarked logo, that's it. The standard that UST tires are constructed to is ETRTO.
    I don't have a copy of it. I've asked a few times if anyone was interested enough to throw in some cash to buy it, but haven't gotten enough bites. You can buy it here. If you can find enough people interested enough to throw in USD$20, I'm game.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather
    there is no "UST standard." UST is a trademarked logo, that's it. The standard that UST tires are constructed to is ETRTO.
    I don't have a copy of it. I've asked a few times if anyone was interested enough to throw in some cash to buy it, but haven't gotten enough bites. You can buy it here. If you can find enough people interested enough to throw in USD$20, I'm game.
    you and me , thats $40, shiggy?

    I do think there is more to it than just a logo, otherwise anyone could license the logo and call any wheel or tire UST

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan0
    I do think there is more to it than just a logo, otherwise anyone could license the logo and call any wheel or tire UST
    well... with a logo comes a license agreement that the licensor has to sign off on, and any imaginable condition could come with that, so you can't just license the logo if you want to... Mavic's got to agree to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather
    well... with a logo comes a license agreement that the licensor has to sign off on, and any imaginable condition could come with that, so you can't just license the logo if you want to... Mavic's got to agree to it.
    so , in order to use the UST logo you have to pay Mavic a fee and follow their standard for tubeless

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan0
    so , in order to use the UST logo you have to pay Mavic a fee and follow their standard for tubeless
    i guess if you want to confuse things by collectively calling a bunch of individual license agreements a "standard" without really knowing that they are a standard, since they are more than likely confidential, individually negotiated, and could therefore easily be different, sure.
    Mavic does a pretty good job of confusing standards on their own (e.g., ERD & hub spacing), but if you want to help in that... why not?
    my guess is that the UST licensing agreements reference the ETRTO standard, which is actually a standard and is not "theirs."
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather
    i guess if you want to confuse things by collectively calling a bunch of individual license agreements a "standard" without really knowing that they are a standard, since they are more than likely confidential, individually negotiated, and could therefore easily be different, sure.
    Mavic does a pretty good job of confusing standards on their own (e.g., ERD & hub spacing), but if you want to help in that... why not?
    my guess is that the UST licensing agreements reference the ETRTO standard, which is actually a standard and is not "theirs."

    hard to say without seeing each standard.
    All I know is that Mavic has THE UST standard that everyone uses, everything else is a grab bag. Thats why there are so many different styles of bead on tires, other than the bead what else defines a "tubeless ready" tire ? The ETRTO standard defines sizes but as far as UST or tubeless you're just guessing

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan0
    hard to say without seeing each standard.
    exactly, and there's probably no knowing whether a mavic UST license agreement includes anything specific about the tires/rims, or just covers business-type stuff and references the ETRTO standard specification. it would be silly for them to have gone to the trouble to publish the specification and relinquish control of it only to spell it out again in the license agreement, and stupid for them to change the spec after publishing. publishing of the ETRTO standard allowed anybody to use the design.
    in an area where what's what is confusing, my point is just to differentiate between the actual physical dimensions associated with the bead design and a business agreement with a company that has a branded version of it. many people think that to be "UST" a rim can not have holes, which is incorrect. many people also think that to be "UST" you can't use sealant, which is suspect (see below).
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    All I know is that Mavic has THE UST standard that everyone uses, everything else is a grab bag.
    Not everyone uses it. Bontrager's TLR system uses the ETRTO specification and not the logo.
    Other than ISO and ETRTO, there are no standards for bike tire design and/or sizing.
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    Thats why there are so many different styles of bead on tires,
    how many different bead styles do you know of?
    AFAIK there is ISO (regular tubetype) and ETRTO for tubeless. the only outlier i can think of is stan, and since he designed his rims to work with ISO-spec tires, my guess is that his tires probably meet the spec, even though his rims don't.
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    other than the bead what else defines a "tubeless ready" tire ? The ETRTO standard defines sizes but as far as UST or tubeless you're just guessing
    i don't think there is a set definition of "tubeless ready" other than the colloquial "ETRTO bead+casing designed to be run tubeless with sealant."
    i don't even know if UST disallows sealant, since Geax has a graphic on their "TNT technology" page that says TNT+latex(sealant)=UST
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather
    exactly, and there's probably no knowing whether a mavic UST license agreement includes anything specific about the tires/rims, or just covers business-type stuff and references the ETRTO standard specification. it would be silly for them to have gone to the trouble to publish the specification and relinquish control of it only to spell it out again in the license agreement, and stupid for them to change the spec after publishing. publishing of the ETRTO standard allowed anybody to use the design.
    in an area where what's what is confusing, my point is just to differentiate between the actual physical dimensions associated with the bead design and a business agreement with a company that has a branded version of it. many people think that to be "UST" a rim can not have holes, which is incorrect. many people also think that to be "UST" you can't use sealant, which is suspect (see below).

    Not everyone uses it. Bontrager's TLR system uses the ETRTO specification and not the logo.
    Other than ISO and ETRTO, there are no standards for bike tire design and/or sizing.

    how many different bead styles do you know of?
    AFAIK there is ISO (regular tubetype) and ETRTO for tubeless. the only outlier i can think of is stan, and since he designed his rims to work with ISO-spec tires, my guess is that his tires probably meet the spec, even though his rims don't.

    i don't think there is a set definition of "tubeless ready" other than the colloquial "ETRTO bead+casing designed to be run tubeless with sealant."
    i don't even know if UST disallows sealant, since Geax has a graphic on their "TNT technology" page that says TNT+latex(sealant)=UST
    that is exactly my point, we dont even know If ETRTO has a tubeless standard
    I cant believe that no one has a copy, even one a year or two old.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dan0
    that is exactly my point, we dont even know If ETRTO has a tubeless standard
    yes we do:
    "HAVERHILL, Mass - Mavic... announced today the establishment of the UST Tubeless Standard by the European Tyre and Rim Technical Organization (ETRTO). The ETRTO was founded in October 1964 for the alignment of national standards, to achieve interchangeability of pneumatic tires and rims and establish common engineering dimensions, product characteristics and operational guidelines.

    The new "Norm" establishes a set of standards regarding the shape, profile, diameter, and other necessary dimensions for tire and rim makers to produce UST Tubeless compatible products. Furthermore, it is announced today the compatibility of standard mountain bike tires with the UST Norm by the ETRTO, ensuring traditional tires and tubes can be run safely on UST Tubeless wheels.

    This opens the door for others to manufacture to the [new]standard, the same way the 700c high-pressure clincher norm was established by Mavic and Michelin back in 1975.... Approval by the ETRTO... (assures) compatibility of standard ATB tires with UST Tubeless rims, allowing consumers to run the best wheels with their favorite tread, tubeless or not."

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    i think it's important to note the ETRTO's purpose from the first paragraph, which is to ensure "interchangeability" (rim-tire fit), characteristics, and operational guidelines.
    you may be right about Mavic including additional technical conditions for a branded "UST tubeless" tire, since they may want more than what the ETRTO offers in establishing the standard. In that sense, the UST logo is no different from the Mavic logo, in that it is a brand that they want to control production of... much like many compaies out-source production of branded products based on a specification, whether it be proprietary or standard (i.e., i could tell a tire manufacturer that i want X tread pattern with Y casing and an ETRTO bead and they could produce it).
    if you talk to tire manufacturers, they'll tell you that they use the ETRTO standard for tubeless tires. example from schwalbe (e-mail direct to me):
    "Our ust-ready tires have a ETRTO bead. The ust-ready tires are designed to be used with sealant."
    I think it's clear that he means "tubeless ready," but you might take issue with his choice of words.
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    I cant believe that no one has a copy, even one a year or two old.
    somebody's got one... they're just holding out or don't want to share it for free.
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    On the mounting note, I got a set of Geax Barro Race TnT and fought furiously to mount them up on a set of Stans Flows.
    That was in a garage with perfect conditions! IMPOSSIBLE to do on the trail. I did run them though, and they have surprising traction are FAST and durable as hell. (should be at 700gms for a 1.9ish tire)

    I have since mounted and unmounted them a couple of times and they are still quite a bugger but doable with a "quick stick" and a slicked up bead now. So some stretching has occurred.
    Still the dam tightest bead EVER, so no worries it ever "blowing" off!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimfab
    Anybody have any experience with the GEAX AKA TNT 29er tire and a Flow rim? Do they fit any better than the Saguaro TNT or is it the same ol story? I would like to try the AKA's but not if they fit ( or dont fit ) like a TNT Saguaro. I am sure the non-TNT fit just fine.

    Thanks- JF

    I am running the ZTR Flow 29er with the GEAX AKA TNT 29er.
    Fit is awesome!
    Slippery Pig has them in stock.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yetisurly
    I am running the ZTR Flow 29er with the GEAX AKA TNT 29er.
    Fit is awesome!
    Slippery Pig has them in stock.
    GTK
    The only hesitation I have with getting flows would be incompatibility with tubeless ready (ETRTO-bead) tires, however I've found Geax tubetype tires to be pretty damn burly & tubeless friendly.
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    Why do you need an expensive manual to figure out if a tire fits your rim? It either fits or it doesn't. Why does it matter that much if a standard has been met?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Ranger
    Why do you need an expensive manual to figure out if a tire fits your rim? It either fits or it doesn't. Why does it matter that much if a standard has been met?
    Well, dood... you don't... and that wasn't my point. Don't let an acronym confuse you. I guess I could buy a pair of flows for $160 and lace them up to some hubs I have for ~$80 in spokes and nipples only to find out they don't fit my favorite tires.
    However, that would be stupid.
    There's documented difficulty fitting ETRTO (tubeless & tubeless ready) tires on flows, specifically one of my favorite tires: the geax saguaro TNT. that's kinda the point of this whole thread, in case you didn't notice. Why don't you bash the OP?
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    Why would I bash the guy for asking if anyone had experience with this tire/rim combo? That wouldn't make any sense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Ranger
    Why would I bash the guy for asking if anyone had experience with this tire/rim combo? That wouldn't make any sense.
    uh... you asked me why i would "need an expensive manual figure out if a tire fits your rim," which i didn't say and doesn't make sense, so why would it need to make sense for you to bash someone else?
    the OP and I basically said the same thing for the same reason, i just put "ETRTO" in because that's the common standard that all tubeless ready tires are manufactured to with the exception of stan's.
    i like the tires. i'm interested in a pair of flows. some people have had issues mounting them on flows. get it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather
    i like the tires. i'm interested in a pair of flows.
    Oh ok I get it now. I thought you were just over analyzing something simple again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Space Ranger
    Oh ok I get it now. I thought you were just over analyzing something simple again.

    Carry on.
    glad to know you're just trolling with a grudge... mtbr needs more of that. welcome to the forums.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather
    The only hesitation I have with getting flows would be incompatibility with tubeless ready (ETRTO-bead) tires, however I've found Geax tubetype tires to be pretty damn burly & tubeless friendly.
    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather
    ...i just put "ETRTO" in because that's the common standard that all tubeless ready tires are manufactured to with the exception of stan's.
    i like the tires. i'm interested in a pair of flows. some people have had issues mounting them on flows.
    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather
    There's documented difficulty fitting ETRTO (tubeless & tubeless ready) tires on flows, specifically one of my favorite tires: the geax saguaro TNT.
    "meltingfeather", I have used a few of your comments as I assume you have researched the question, namely that the variously labeled (TNT, TLR 2Bliss etc.) tubeless ready tires have beads that are ETRTO standard and are compatible with UST. If this is the case, then perhaps the Geax tires are out of spec. and the problem is not shape of the bead but rather the internal diameter of the bead. Although there seem to be conflicting reports that the tires actually fit fine, including one in this thread.

    I have a pair of Stan's Flow rims but have limited experience with tires, having only used one type thus far (Specialized Purgatory 2Bliss). These tires were very easy to mount by hand and were easy to inflate with a floor pump. I have a pair of Schwalbe Nobby Nics TLR which I'll try soon and it should be interesting to see how they fit. I have heard though that Stan's rims have a marginally larger diameter bead seat. I don't know how true that is. I find it strange though that some fit easily and others not.

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    I have flows and have used 2bliss, tnt and bonty tlr. The only tire that was near impossible to mount was the tnt. I eventually got it on after about 30 minutes, but took it off after one ride. The thought of having to deal with a tire issue trail-side was to much for me to bear. It was almost as hard to take off as it was to put on.
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    What seems to make these tires a pain to mount? Is the bead a little too small in circumference, or the bead just not stretchy enough, or a little bit of both?
    Would a person choose tubeless ready (regardless of brand) for a stiffer sidewall that the tube-type version of the same tire would not have? I just got a set of Sun-Ringle Black Flag Pros with a Stan's licensed rim and might want to go tubeless in the future. Thanks.
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    mounting geax to flows is tough like a ukulele.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimfab
    This is about as good as it gets with the TNT, broke 2 irons getting it past this point. Yes the bead is at the bottom of the rim.
    So, you've got the bead down in the trough of the rim as far as possible, but are you finishing at the valve stem? Can't see the stem in the picture, which is why I'm asking. If not, the valve stem is holding the bead out, and no matter how much of the rest of the bead is within the trough, you'll still have problems.

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    That's the problem. The valve should be the last section you try to get the bead over. In post #7 above the valve has already had the tire mounted(in 7-8 o'clock position). You think you're in the channel but you're not. I have 3 sets of Stan's wheels. All three have valve stems opposite of the large rim type, ARCH, FLOW, CREST decal. I can install and remove tires without using levers if I hold off to mount the valve last.

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    I went with the FR-3 team edition tires. Mounted up GREAT!!!! Seal great! I will try to report on there ride and how well they hold up after a few hundred miles.

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    Geax AKA's TNT - 26" - Stan's ZTR flow on the front.... it was a B-I-T-C-H to get that sucker mounted on the Flow rim.
    I finally got smart and sprayed the bead with some soap/water and was able to get it mounted using tire levers.
    Make sure - as with all UST tires - that the tire bead is in the rim well when you mount them.

    I've been riding the AKA in the desert for a couple of weeks and I'm just loving the tire...
    great traction on desert loose over hardpack. I like it so much that I'm going to get an AKA for the front for my 29'er.

    B/t/w I'm running UST Kenda Small Block Eights on the back of both of my bikes and I'm just loving the low air pressure traction there.
    The Small Block on the back and the AKA up front seem to work VERY well in the desert.

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    I just mounted a pair of AKA TNT on some Stans Arch's. What a B****! I'm no pro, but the hardest mount ever. The trick for me was to push the valve up into the tire out of the center channel. If I did not do this, the tires would not get out of the center channel. Then, I would keep tightening the valve stem as more of the bead popped onto the rim. Probably an hour and a half for both rimes and sealant everywhere and I have a compressor. Forget it with a pump. They are just so tight. On the positive, once I got them seated they seem to be holding air well and I can't wait to ride them on my new Niner EMD build.

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