Full suss version of my TransAm29
I'm seriously considering a new 29 full suspension. I freaking love my TransAm29 but I do ride my Yeti ASR5 when I'm not in the mood for the HT. Lately when I'm on the Yeti I'm longing for the big wheels. There's just something about the 29 which has me hooked. Yes, after many 26 bikes the TA is my first foray into big wheels.
So, to my question... other than the Bandit 29, which isn't exactly a clone of the TA, what FS 29ers have similar geo to the TA? I'd love to keep it to a 4 inch rear but with the whole industry moving further towards the "more travel=better" philosophy, a 5 inch bike will suffice. The old and new Salsa Horsetheif (edit) was on my radar.
FWIW, I get by well on the Yeti ASR5 despite the 26 wheels and very progressive rear suspension. I'm not looking for a plush sofa, I'm just wanting to take the sting off a bit. I keep both wheels on the ground most of the time but love bombing thru rocky and rooty sections.
What should I be looking at? Thanks!
Last edited by mnigro; 07-07-2014 at 06:12 AM.
How much do you want to spend and what material do you want, carbon or alloy? Actually in the 29er field there are a lot of good bike in the 100-130mm range.
Full suss version of my TransAm29
I ride my nimble steel 29 hard tail (Honzo) more than I ever thought I would so I think I get what you're looking for.
A playful dual suspension 29? Check out the geometry and verbiage on Banshee Phantom and Kona Process 111. I've tested Trek Remedy 29 and it was more slack and very confidence inspiring in ways but not pumpable like an AM hard tail. The lower rear travel and short chain stay of the first two or similar might do it for you.
Last edited by bitflogger; 07-07-2014 at 05:37 AM.
Mtb pilot, had t thought much about frame material. My biggest problem is that most 29ers with desired geo are longer travel bikes. My main objective is geo.
Bitclogger, I think you're on the right path. I'll check those out.
Check out the Satori=big fun factor!
I tested 2014 Trek Superfly 100 and loved it, than a 2014 Salsa Spearfish and really liked the Split Pivot design and the way rear feels and how they climb and brake. Than the tested the 2014 Pivot Mach 429 carbon and bought it. The frame has more weight than the others but you will think its lighter on the trail, the transfer of power with DW suspension is so smooth. I can get out of the saddle and climb like a hardtail, it breaks with no hop going fast down hill. This bike handles like a 26er, the frame is stiffer than any other 29er FS frame on the market. No creaks or rattles on this bike, this bike just makes me want to ride more, its that good!!
+1 on the Pivot 429 carbon. Demoed one last week. Fun, playful and climbs really well, in fact better than the Pivot Les carbon HT I took out right after my first ride. The best part is it pedals really well with shock in the open position, just shoots uphill.
,,,and it is FAST! on the flats and downhill........I'm having a hard time riding my 2011 STJ FSR now, upgrade time.
Thanks dgw. I made a mistake in my OP and mentioned the spearfish. I had intended to write the Horsetheif. That's very close to what I'm after. I've had horrible experiences with my old El Kaboing, to the point that I sold it. Not sure I'm ready to give Salsa another shot but maybe.
Another thing about the Pivot with 120mm up front and 100mm rear, you will think the rear has more than 100 travel and no need to adjust the rear while riding just keep in open position like rushman3 said. Also someone told me that 'Pivot" one of fasted growing company's in mtb, only been around for 6 years. Everybody staring to talk about "Pivot", hard to get a frame right now is the only problem. I always call a company before I buy, one call to them that sealed the deal!! Great people!!
Sounds to me like a Banshee Phantom is exactly what you're looking for - 105mm rear travel, designed around a 120mm fork, adjustable geo between 67.5*/68*/68.5* HTA, 17.3-17.5" stays, BB <13.75". Ride is efficient and spritely, but when you point it DH or at some chunk, you'd be hard pressed to tell you only have that little travel out back. Been loving mine now for just a smidge over 3 months, absolutely most amazing bike for me and my trails, has not let me down, has really encouraged me to push harder all over, but especially more so on the fast DHs where I wouldn't have before. Here's mine below enjoying some Caribbean sunshine.
and a report from a new Phantom owner.....
Originally Posted by shackleton
Last edited by LyNx; 07-07-2014 at 11:21 AM.
Damn Lynx. That phantom looks promising. I'll start to investigate.
Re: Full suss version of my TransAm29
Contact Scott at switchbackbikes.com they're closing out the thumpers for nothing. Best bike imaginable for the money.
It's a Kona Satori front triangle with an fsr rear suspension.
I would say the closest thing to a Trans Am 29 (I used to own one) would be the Phantom of the Transition Bandit.
Not sure how much work you do on your own bikes, but i do all of my own work and refuse to buy a bike with a press fit bottom bracket which limits which bikes I'll even consider.
I am currently riding a Banshee Prime, which has very similar geometry to the Trans Am and rides similarly as well.
The problem is that most 100mm bikes are built more for xc than trail/AM, but the transition and banshee bikes are perfect for what you are looking for.
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I'm in a similar situation as the OP. I have a 6" travel 26" bike and both the Canfield YS and N9. I'd love an aggressive shorter travel 29er.
Just some random bikes that I'd like to check out...
Nicolai Helius TB
Lenz Behemoth Punkass
Kona Process 111
I have never ridden any of these and some are a little out of the "shorter travel" realm.
I only ride bikes to fill the time when I'm not skiing.
Nice bike! I really like that color.
Originally Posted by tg
Last edited by Max24; 03-07-2015 at 08:43 PM.
Your killing me, i have the same stump jumper.... and going on a road trip soon.... maybe ill need to get a new bike
Originally Posted by rushman3
Another Pivot 429c fan here. Had been on a 2011 SJ fsr as above. The medium fits my 5' 11" body perfectly. Was able to demo the Santa Cruz Tallboy c and the Pivot. Santa Cruz= great bike. Pivot=my dream bike. My ignorance will not allow me to discuss the technical details of these bikes. The Pivot fit me better, allowed me to ride faster-up an down, and had me giggling like a 10 year old when I handed the LBS my money. A few have commented on the trail that the green is "cute". I just smile and ride off on my *****in green bike.
I demoed the Ripley a couple weeks back and what a fun bike. It has short chain-stays and is very poppy.
The Rip9 would be my other choice. Maybe the WFO.
Ok. Looks like I've got a few contenders...
WFO is not a good choice for a long-travel XC bike (It has 160mm of travel and 29" wheels= overkill).
Originally Posted by marathon dave
Rip 9, Rocky Mountain Instinct, Trek Fuel EX 29 are some more great bikes to look at.
Thanks for the help cdale. You're 100% right about the WFO. WAY too much travel.
Originally Posted by CannondaleF9
I'm actually not looking for a XC bike either. I'm looking for a short travel 29 trail/AM bike. Slack, low and short CS. the travel on the Trek and RM fit the bill but I'm not sure they'd ride anything like the TransAM.
Short travel AM bike = long travel XC bike.
Originally Posted by mnigro
You'd never know how the bikes ride until you do ride them, so still give them a shot.
Whoops, didn't read the whole first post. I came here to say Bandit 29.
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That build looks nice.
Originally Posted by dgw7000
I have a YS too and an Atlas.
Originally Posted by OldHouseMan
The Atlas is a fun bike indeed, but no way it can handle the DH like the YS can. Oh, I've a 150mm fork on the YS and an angle headset to slacken the Atlas.
I'm keeping the YS and selling the Atlas, I bet the Process or the Phantom would be good choices for a short travel AM 29er, but I'm waiting for the somehow announced Canfield's FS29er.
This might also help answer some of your questions and add a few more bikes to the list...
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Originally Posted by CannondaleF9
Itís easy to draw that conclusion since marketing depts pigeonhole bikes all the time based on suspension travel, but a long travel XC bike is definitely not the same as a short travel AM bike.
I owned a 1st gen RIP 9 (115mm rear travel), and now own a Canfield HT. Both are 29ers but the Canfield HT w/ zero rear travel is way more capable on technical trails than the Niner RIP 9 that had nearly 5Ē rear travel.
Call it semantics, but bitflogger, unrooted, lynx, oldhouseman, savo, and mnigro all get itóa short travel AM frame will have the geometry (slack HA, low BB, and short CS) as well as burliness that is designed to handle trails that an XC bike canít, regardless of how much travel the XC bike has.
I'm also anxious to see what the bros Canfield are busy cooking up, but until their FS 29er comes out, I agree that Kona's Process 111 and Banshee's Phantom are the closest short travel-FS versions of the OP's Trans Am 29.
I also had a 1st gen RIP9 and it's the only thing I've owned that I've ont regretted selling, not one bit. Like you, I went from the rip9 to a Banshee Paradox and my confidence improved drastically because the geo was just loads better and more capable. I lent that bike to people and they've ridden stuff they'd never have considered on their "XC" bikes, straight up flat told me so and that they couldn't believe it. Loving my Phantom more and more with every ride and can't wait until I've finished the new trail with some jump/drop features as this thing just begs to be launched and thrown about.
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