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    Frame ID 120mm

    Wondering if anyone can ID this frame. I have seen a few painted different ways. It is not the same FM036 that is everywhere. If you look at the seat tube, it is straighter than the FM036. There is a 27.5 and a 29 version that both have 120mm rear travel.

    There is also another similar one with a completely straight seat tube, but it really doesn't look as good as the ones below and I have only only seen it on eBay.

    There is also no front derailleur mount on the seat tube either.

    The yellow one is a branded frame from a shop in Oregon. The other is branded as a Grammo. The green one has a different real triangle on it, but also labeled a Grammo.

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    I believe there are pics of that posted earlier in this thread

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    Dual Suspension Chinese Carbon 29er

    Just bought a DT Swiss XMM 120 OPM, Syntace FlatForce 55mm stem and Low10 Vector Carbon 740mm bar, XX1 RD and shifter, and Cane Creek headset.

    Next: IP-036 and a RS Monarch.


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    Is it possible to run an angleset on any of these frames? I'd love to have a 29" with a 120mm fork, 67-68 head angle, and about 110mm travel in the rear.

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    Probably easier (and cheaper) to just run an offset bushing or two. With the 22.2xM8, you can get 2mm offset bushings. Running 2 of those would easily drop your HTA by 1*
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    Quote Originally Posted by breakjnky View Post
    Wondering if anyone can ID this frame
    You are talking about ltk-088 (27.5) and ltk-098 (29) cheers

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    My ip036 from peter

    Here's my IP036 from Peter. Used old components from my previous IP098 build. These came a little heavier at 11.8kg but I like the looks and fit of this better!

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    Not sure what you are asking
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    Quote Originally Posted by Padyakero View Post
    Here's my IP036 from Peter. Used old components from my previous IP098 build. These came a little heavier at 11.8kg but I like the looks and fit of this better!

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    What big gear are you running on the cassette? Better yet, how about full specs?

    I'm thinking of going from my X0 2x10 to a 1x10 with the Wolftooth 42 and 16.

    When I built mine, the XX1 just came out and it was out of my price range, plus I built the bike for a ~250 mile 7-day ride across Colorado, so I wanted the gear selection. I'll never do a trip like that again so dropping the extra weight would be perfect. Going with the 42 with a 26 up front would give me the exact same coverage minus 2 top gears, which is no loss.

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    Has anyone seen or built up one of the WCB-M-098 frames. They are mostly advertised as 29er's but some are advertised as 650b although quite clearly they are the same frame. I was wondering if I built up this frame with 650b wheels and used a 200x57/56mm rear shock as apposed to using 29inch wheels with a 200x50mm rear shock would it increase the rear wheel travel a little.
    Kind regards Gary

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    @hidperf,
    I am using Wolftooth 42T at the rear. Did exactly as instructed to install it in my XT 11-36T cassette for a 1x10 set-up. In the front, I used XT 165mm + raceface 36T and it got me almost all gear combination I needed for hills and flats. I found out if the climb is too high for my lowest gear combo 36t front and 42T rear, I just better dismount and walk the bike I'll be even faster On flats and when I really-really need speed, my 11T rear and 36T front is just enough for my cadence and power. Can't go more comfortable than that. I believe you won't go wrong with a 1X10 set-up


    Frame: IP036, tapered head tube, size 19, BSA 142X12
    RS: Rockshox Monarch, 165mm eye-to-eye
    Fork: Fox Talas, 95/120mm
    Wheelset: Fulcrum Red Metal XL29 with Michellin Wild Grip'r 2.25 tubeless tires
    Headset: Neco from Peter
    Seatpost: Chiner Carbon
    Saddle: SelleRoyal Selva Saddle
    Handlebars: 780mm crankbrothers carbon
    Stem: 50mm Kore
    Brakeset: Avid9
    Rotors: Ashima superlight rotors
    Rear shifter: XT barmount (w/ gear indicator)
    Crankset: XT double chainring converted to single chainring using race face 36T. surprisingly the weight of the assembly (crankset + 36T chainring without BB) came only at 620grams!
    Chain: XT
    Cassete: 11-36XT without 17T plus 42T wolf tooth
    Rear dereileur: XT midcage
    Pedals: Venzo pedals (at 400g for the pair it's lighter than most clipless!)
    Grips: ODI Yeti design

    Total build weight: 11.8kg

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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! WCB-M-098 suspension frame

    Has anyone seen or built up one of the WCB-M-098 frames. They are mostly advertised as 29er's but some are advertised as 650b although quite clearly they are the same frame. I was wondering if I built up this frame with 650b wheels and used a 200x57/56mm rear shock as apposed to using 29inch wheels with a 200x50mm rear shock would it increase the rear wheel travel a little.
    Kind regards Gary
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    @garyalanlane,
    I have built that frame but on 29er wheel and my experience is good except that I should have gone one size higher as the top tube length is short.

    With your question I think indeed you can fit a 27.5 wheel on the 29er frame and the tire gap to the seat-tube will indeed increase by 1.5 inch maybe depends on your tire. but putting a rearshock that is 200x56/57 instead of what geometry recommends (200x50) I am not sure if it will still be within the upper pivots reach. you have to check carefully the geometry, maybe ask Peter for the detailed drawing so you can calculate more carefully.

    I can tell you though that frame's internal cable routing is far more advanced and cleaner than the new build I have now which is IP036.

    Goodluck on your project

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    Quote Originally Posted by Padyakero View Post
    @garyalanlane,
    I have built that frame but on 29er wheel and my experience is good except that I should have gone one size higher as the top tube length is short.

    With your question I think indeed you can fit a 27.5 wheel on the 29er frame and the tire gap to the seat-tube will indeed increase by 1.5 inch maybe depends on your tire. but putting a rearshock that is 200x56/57 instead of what geometry recommends (200x50) I am not sure if it will still be within the upper pivots reach. you have to check carefully the geometry, maybe ask Peter for the detailed drawing so you can calculate more carefully.

    I can tell you though that frame's internal cable routing is far more advanced and cleaner than the new build I have now which is IP036.

    Goodluck on your project
    Thanks for the kind reply. I would be interested to know more about your build. What head set size do you need to accommodate a tapered steerer column folk and what type mount is the front derailleur. What is the travel in mm of the rear suspension. Would be great if you could post some pics…….and who is this Peter to ask him for detailed drawings. Thanks again

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    I posted my last post in the wrong thread, so here again:

    I'm from Germany, so my English is not the best ;-) Last week I tested the Speci Stumpjumper FSR 29 and I quite liked it. I read a lot about the Chinese Carbon Frames in German and English forums the last days and I'm thinking of building my own bike. There is a lot of information and I still don't have a good overview.
    Is there any Chinese Carbon All Mountain Frame similar to the Stumpjumper with around 130 mm travel?

    Thanks in advance

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    This was my previous build.

    Dual Suspension Chinese Carbon  29er-my-build-29er-008.jpgDual Suspension Chinese Carbon  29er-my-build-29er-002.jpg

    With Peter from xamiplay they call this frame IP098. In my case I used Neco headset coming from the supplier of the frame but you can use branded ones as long as it is for tapered head tube with integrated cups.

    FD is direct mount and top-pull. About the rear travel, I can't exactly recall but I used recommended-sized rearshock so the fox CTD 200x50mm found it's place.

    If you scroll back on this thread, you'll see lot's of post from Peter. He's been active in this thread and transacted with quite a lot from different people.

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    Thanks for the pics……..bike looks great, how did it ride?

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    Re: Dual Suspension Chinese Carbon 29er

    Quote Originally Posted by charlesrg View Post
    For the ones curious if the IP-036 is race proof.
    Started last, had to pass 34 guys, could have taken 2nd but I spent lots of time passing others and could not catch before the end.Attachment 902888Attachment 902889
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    I know the guy in orange.
    Met him last week in Windham NY.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torio View Post
    You are talking about ltk-088 (27.5) and ltk-098 (29) cheers
    I don't see the resemblance in the LTK-098 -

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    Choosing 29" frame for XC bike.

    Quote Originally Posted by Padyakero View Post
    @garyalanlane,
    I have built that frame but on 29er wheel and my experience is good except that I should have gone one size higher as the top tube length is short.

    With your question I think indeed you can fit a 27.5 wheel on the 29er frame and the tire gap to the seat-tube will indeed increase by 1.5 inch maybe depends on your tire. but putting a rearshock that is 200x56/57 instead of what geometry recommends (200x50) I am not sure if it will still be within the upper pivots reach. you have to check carefully the geometry, maybe ask Peter for the detailed drawing so you can calculate more carefully.

    I can tell you though that frame's internal cable routing is far more advanced and cleaner than the new build I have now which is IP036.

    Goodluck on your project
    Hi! Could you please share your knowledge and experience, since you have dealt with both frames: IP-098 and IP-036 (actually everybody are welcome if they have anything to say on the topic).

    IP-098:
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    IP-036:
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    I think about ordering one of these to build an XC 29er, but haven't decided which yet (tend to IP-098). So, to systemize all the questions I'll make a list:

    1) I think the first question in any case would be: in general from your experience can you justify (and why?) a purchase of one of these carbon (but still Chinese frames) over an aluminium frame from a well-known non-chinese manufacturer? Over Merida Big Ninty Nine XT-M frame for instance. There is not that much of a difference in price (considering that Merida’s price include quite good rear shock). Or Cube AMS frame as another example?

    2) Which of these two frames would you recommend and why? Why did you switch from your IP-098 to IP-036? I personally like the shape and appearance of IP-098 more. Plus completely internal routing makes it look neater. And the frame looks more XC (I’m interested in XC mostly) and less trial than IP-036. At the same time I clearly understand, that appearance is not the most important part.

    3) What is your opinion specifically on the build quality of these frames, because, you know, it IS what usually scares people away from buying Chinese something… Overall stiffness? Bearings’ quality? Play in links?

    4) How do suspensions feel? They are both 'Faux bar' design, but of different geometries. How do they behave? Pedal bob? Pedal kickback? Behaviour under braking?

    5) It is sort of a supplementary question, but nevertheless. There are a lot of these frames on Aliexpress and Alibaba and lots of suppliers. And almost every single offer lists different model number. Are IP-098 and IP-036 the official model numbers? Maybe anyone knows who really does produce these frames in China? Or are there many factories, that build frames using one pattern? Who is it better to deal with, when ordering a frame?

    It’s a wall’o’text, sorry, but I really look forward to your response and opinion of other fellow mtbrers
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    Answers to your questions:

    1) Yes, why do you think there are 350+ pages of discussion on the topic of Chinese carbon frames between this thread and the Chinese Carbon thread on MTBR? They are a great value.

    2) I have the IP-036, it's a good frame. I don't have the IP-098, this is a newer frame. Have not seen any picture of one build yet or anyone providing feedback. You could be the first.

    3) See answer (1).

    4) If you have a good shock, the suspension is fine. Basically a single pivot design, works like any other single pivot suspension.

    5) Those are the common model numbers on the frame. I'd recommend ordering from Peter@Xmiplay.com, he speaks good English and provides shipping information.

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    The IP098 looks like the LTK098 from LT Bikes. And I believe that LT Bike is the manufacturer.

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    @Epic_Dude
    Thanks for response, mate!

    Actually Padyakero did build IP-098 bike. See post 1366 and pics (Dual Suspension Chinese Carbon 29er - Page 55).
    And he did build it before his IP-036 bike. Would be nice to hear from him.

    These two suspensions are tecnichally more complex, than single pivot ones. They are 4-bar suspensions. Not Horst Link, of course, but 4-bar design allows some engineering to counter forces.
    Here is a useful article on the suspesion types:
    Part 1: Buyer's guide to mountain bike suspension, part 1 - BikeRadar
    Part 2: Buyer's guide to mountain bike suspension, part 2 - BikeRadar

    I think IP-098 and IP-036 fall under the (2) 'Faux bar' design. If I'm not mistaken.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Epic_Dude View Post
    Answers to your questions:

    2) I have the IP-036, it's a good frame. I don't have the IP-098, this is a newer frame. Have not seen any picture of one build yet or anyone providing feedback. You could be the first.
    But hey! To a certain extent you are right! I've just closely compared IP-098 frame and the one Padyakero used to build his IP-098 bike. They are similar, but have a bit different shape of the front triangle.

    Look:
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    Are they different sizes of the same frame? Or newer and older revisions?

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