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    I removed the shock and measured i2i on the frame fully extended and it was roughly 185mm, that's a big difference between that and a 165mm shock?
    Has anyone tried a 184mm shock?
    I'm worried about running a 165mm shock and being too slack?
    Anyone else measured there frame i2i?

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    Quote Originally Posted by two-one View Post
    Could you make some pictures of the (disassembled) suspension pivots if possible? I'd like to know if there is any way to put a delrin bushing in there.
    Second on additional pics of the pivots if possible. Some of the discussions about the pivots have me concerned.

    I'm tempted to order one of these for the price to get me through the season till I can splurge for a carbon Tallboy build. I have a shock of my broken canzo which has the same eye to eye and should be close on the tune which should work. If they would offer a shock mount kit I'd prob give it a try but I don't want to deal with scrounging for parts to make the bike usable.

    Doesn't seem like many have bought or had much to say about this frame...

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    If you look at my previous posts it's not such a big deal

    I agree the lack of shock hardware is really annoying. I should probably talk to the folks at ICAN about it.

    That said, the shock hardware isn't such a big deal. Two off the shelf hardware kits from UniversalCycles.com a couple of m8 socket head bolts an m8 lock nut and something to hold the lower bolt. If you ask nicely for $10 plus shipping I'll make you one. I wish I had stainless steel then I could try anodizing.

    I really wish I had a lathe then I could be cranking these things out. I bet if someone knew what they were called we could find them online, or see if you can find a bike with m8 shock mounts and see what they used. I'm guessing something from Intense or Fisher would probably work.

    Eric loves his dually and is working hard to lighten it. The weight to dollar ratio of this frame is hard to ignore especially if you have a shock laying around.

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    I used the kit from a yetti, its the same as ones from my Gary fisher 292 if that helps

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    Thanks for the replies regarding the hardware. That and the pivots have me concerned. In the past budget options generally end up being more of a headache and causing more problems than money saved so I'm def hesitating. Although at $800 shipped with a headset and having a shock that should work makes it tough to pass up, I could swing a new road frame and single speed frame too for that price...

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    If you go to www . Flyxii . Com its only $700 posted

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    Quote Originally Posted by vwsurfbum View Post
    If you go to www . Flyxii . Com its only $700 posted
    There website doesn't seem to want to open for me right now. I'll have to try again later. I was quoted $700 for the frame, $15 for the headset and $85 for shipping from Hungfu.

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    I'll pm you the link. As im a newbie it won't let me post links yet

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    Sorry it won't let me pm yet either! Lol

    if you do manage to get on to the site, go to bike parts, mtb frames, 2nd page.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vwsurfbum View Post
    Sorry it won't let me pm yet either! Lol

    if you do manage to get on to the site, go to bike parts, mtb frames, 2nd page.
    Page is working now. I'm going to assume it's going to be pretty much all the same pricing and details as hungfu but I'll email them too. Thanks!

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    It was $700 delivered inc headset to the UK

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    OK i have measured my shock again

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    i also got hold of a 165mm shock. has anyone else checked their i2i yet?

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    Right so today i was going to try a 184mm shock, but did get to try a few other things.
    First off measured again the i2i

    picked up a 165mm shock off a friend, as thats what you lot are using.


    before swapping them over i measured the head angle, 75'
    so i put the 165mm shock on.

    so not only does it have to move quite a long way in (so loosing travel) it decreases the head angle by 5'

    So i'm going to order the Monarch 184mm shock

    In the mean time i took some photos in the snow.




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    75 degrees headtube angle? Thats a bit excessive, isn't it? I'd stick with the 165 shock!

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    Quote Originally Posted by vwsurfbum View Post
    It was $700 delivered inc headset to the UK
    So do their prices listed include shipping? I did email them but didn't hear anything back from them yet. If it can get it for $700 delivered I might just have to give it a try.

    Your build looks good. How did you fair out with the shock mounting?

    I agree with the 75 degree head angle being a bit much. Any ride comparison with the 165mm and 184mm? What are your thoughts on the build overall?

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    Quote Originally Posted by finny1999 View Post
    So do their prices listed include shipping? I did email them but didn't hear anything back from them yet. If it can get it for $700 delivered I might just have to give it a try.

    Your build looks good. How did you fair out with the shock mounting?

    I agree with the 75 degree head angle being a bit much. Any ride comparison with the 165mm and 184mm? What are your thoughts on the build overall?
    yes the prices include shipping.

    It bugged me that much about the head angle, just went out to the shed.
    Right measured it on the sanctions at 72' with the longer shock. so withe the 184 I would guestimate at 71' ish??

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    Sorry. The shock mounting is easy, normal 8mm Allen headed bolts and 20mm fixxings

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    Thanks for the info and updates. Looks like if I can't find a decent deal on a Tallboy over the next few weeks I'll order one of these to get me by.

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    After todays ride in the snow we managed to weigh all our bikes. So Inc 2.4 big ass mountain kings (with tubes) V8 pedals and light fittings it comes in at

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    Are the headtubes on these tapered or stright 1 1/8th?

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    tapered

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    Sorry for the noobish questions but im new to full suspension biked and am wanting to build one off this frame. Will a 2x7.5 fox rear shock work with this bike?

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    No thats too long, thats what i'm using until i get my new one.

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    so i'm guessing a 6.5 is what i should be looking for?

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    I think its a 7.25, but i havent had a chance to try it yet.

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    I think

    Chinese frame it resembles that of the spark rc 29. angle is also similar.
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    And the Chinese one

    Dual Suspension Chinese Carbon  29er-imageuploadedbytapatalk1329260768.672920.jpg

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    Ok so I ordered a 184mm fox RP2 so I'll update you if it fits or not

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    sorry, but why do you insist on putting a different length shock as what it was intended for...I don't get it???

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    I couldn't get the correct information.(I already had this frame before stumbling across this site) I was measuring it i2i on the frame.
    But as the new shock arrived today, it definitely didn't fit, about 2mm too big.
    So now going to get the Scott nude shock as that's 165 and all the internal routing is there for it.

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    I see.

    Is it possible to get the nude shock alone?

    all the internal routing for it? that's further proof that this "mystery frame" is in fact a Scott Spark copy...

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    Quote Originally Posted by wedge View Post
    I see.

    Is it possible to get the nude shock alone?

    all the internal routing for it? that's further proof that this "mystery frame" is in fact a Scott Spark copy...
    It's actually more of a superfly100 copy without the ABP... the geometry matches up pretty well. But I will stay away from this frame for next couple of months, untill I know how it holds up. I'm still unsure which pivots contain bearings, and which don't.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vwsurfbum View Post

    In the mean time i took some photos in the snow.

    If you have a bike where the brake and gear cables are routed underneath the bottom bracket there needs to be a loop of cable beneath the bottom bracket, so that when the suspension is fully compressed the cables don't pull tight. The cables need to be long enough so that they don't touch the frame at full compression.

    If the cables pull tight when the suspension compresses then it will wear a groove in the bottom bracket shell. It can also cause ghost shifting and possibly damage the cables too.

    The picture below shows the cable routing beneath a Specialized Epic's bottom bracket. It looks like your frame probably needs similar cable routing also.
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    you can buy this one on German ebay! looks familiar!

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    one more post

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    here the colored versions! 1799€. WOW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boseta View Post
    here the colored versions! 1799€. WOW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WR304 View Post
    If you have a bike where the brake and gear cables are routed underneath the bottom bracket there needs to be a loop of cable beneath the bottom bracket, so that when the suspension is fully compressed the cables don't pull tight. The cables need to be long enough so that they don't touch the frame at full compression.

    If the cables pull tight when the suspension compresses then it will wear a groove in the bottom bracket shell. It can also cause ghost shifting and possibly damage the cables too.

    The picture below shows the cable routing beneath a Specialized Epic's bottom bracket. It looks like your frame probably needs similar cable routing also.
    The cables to the rear mech is fine with its internal routing but the rear brake hose needs to be about 2-3" longer. thats next weeks job.

    Quote Originally Posted by wedge
    I see.

    Is it possible to get the nude shock alone?

    all the internal routing for it? that's further proof that this "mystery frame" is in fact a Scott Spark copy...
    There is a guy selling a new one with switch gear on ebay.co.uk
    Its closer to the scott than the GF with its internal cable routing and 165mm rear shock
    I have a Fox RL on there at the moment and it works a treat.
    Once i'm off death row (i have man flu) i will get some pictures up of the pivots etc.

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    hmmm, this Santa Cruz is making these "cheap chinese 29er duallies" look not so cheap. $1050 frame with shock

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    I don't think that is for the carbon SC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LowOnO2 View Post
    I don't think that is for the carbon SC.
    It's not, but at 5.9 lb frame weight and dual suspension, does it matter that it's not carbon?

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    Quote Originally Posted by emu26 View Post
    It's not, but at 5.9 lb frame weight and dual suspension, does it matter that it's not carbon?
    Salsa already had that covered with the Spearfish

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    Quote Originally Posted by emu26 View Post
    It's not, but at 5.9 lb frame weight and dual suspension, does it matter that it's not carbon?
    Yes, or at least for some of us. I haven't looked at this thread solely because of price or weight, but because i'm interested in the durability and ride qualities that carbon has to offer at a reasonable price.

    If weight is your primary objective as mentioned there is the spearfish for the same money and the anthem x for not much more. From the talk on the $1050 Santa Cruz offering it is a budget option with a single pivot and if its anything like it's 26er version a flexy bike especially in the larger sizes. I'm not sure if the carbon frames in this thread are any better or not as there has been much feedback or comparisons but in theory this carbon frame should be much stiffer and more durable that what other $1000 offering are. Only time will tell on that one though.

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    yep. people need to start realize that light weight is not the only thing carbon has to offer.

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    3300 € on ebay. Specialized pricing on chinese frame. not bad!!! 29er Full Suspension Carbon 29 Zoll MTB- 11,6kg - 17,5" NEU | eBay

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    FYI, this has already been reported.

    EDIT: Incase you are wondering what this is about, there were three spam posts above it. Why this post was not removed with them, is anybody's guess.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wedge View Post
    yep. people need to start realize that light weight is not the only thing carbon has to offer.
    Wedge I am well aware of that but I started this thread more from a price point than a carbon point of view. My 26" hardtail is carbon not al or steel because it is complient where I want it to be and stiff as a board where it should be.

    The compliance of carbon is lost here because it is a thread about duallies as opposed to the other 29er cheap chinese carbon thread which is about hardtails.

    The mistake I have clearly made in my last post is not appreciating how flexy the santa cruz is feared to be and if it is flexy then obviously the carbon frame will trump it. From a price perspective though my last comment stands true, at $800 + shock + pivot bearings etc, the chinese carbon duallie is no longer "cheap" in comparison to the $1050 Santa Cruz that comes with a warranty that I think most of us would trust.

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