• 05-20-2012
    thehotrodpig
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by vwsurfbum View Post
    Try FLYXI $700 posted

    Thank you.

    Does anybody know the aproximate standover height of the large (19" I think)? Where the little seat tube brace meets the toptube?

    Thanks
  • 05-20-2012
    vwsurfbum
    I can measure my 17.5 if that helps?
  • 05-20-2012
    vwsurfbum
    Just measured mine, 31" but remember mine a 17" frame and running 120mm forks
  • 05-20-2012
    thehotrodpig
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by vwsurfbum View Post
    Just measured mine, 31" but remember mine a 17" frame and running 120mm forks

    Thank you. Are you pretty happy with the frame?
  • 05-20-2012
    vwsurfbum
    Love it!
  • 05-22-2012
    the-milkybar-kid
    Hi whats the mud room like on the rear?
  • 05-22-2012
    vwsurfbum
    Very good and I run 2.4's
  • 05-23-2012
    the-milkybar-kid
    Cool cheers
  • 05-24-2012
    eibbed
    I was thinking of buying one of these frames and making up a really decent spec bike instead of buying a carbon stumpjumper fsr. I have no real bike building experience and I was wondering if some one could post all of the components needed to build a complete bike once I'd secured a frame. The stumpy is nearly 9k dollars here in my neck of the woods so this looks like a do-able option.
  • 05-24-2012
    vwsurfbum
    Have you got a doner bike that you could Use? Or doing it from fresh?
  • 05-24-2012
    connolm
    Handle bar
    Grips
    Shifters
    Brake lever
    Stem
    Stem spacers
    Headset
    Cables brake and shifter
    Wheels (hubs, rims, spokes)
    Tires
    Tubes or tubeless setup
    Disc rotors
    Disc brakes
    Bottom bracket
    Crankset
    Chain
    Cassette
    Seat post
    Seat post collar
    Saddle
  • 05-24-2012
    connolm
    Derailleurs
    Chainstay protector
    Handlebar end caps
    Chain rings

    Also

    Carbon grip paste
    Torque wrench
    Crown race setter tool

    You may need a star nut and cap too.

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  • 05-24-2012
    connolm
    You'll also need a special tool to setup the cassette on the rear hub.

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  • 05-24-2012
    connolm
    Did i get it all? I can't think of anything else at the moment.

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  • 05-24-2012
    Adroit Rider
    Bearing press and bb30 installation cups
    Steer tube holder/cutter
    Hack saw
  • 05-24-2012
    emu26
    cable housings
    fork, unless you get a carbon one from the frame supplier.
  • 05-24-2012
    vwsurfbum
    Its not a bb30 frame.
    Why would you put carbon forks on a full suss frame?
  • 05-25-2012
    donjc451
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by connolm View Post
    Derailleurs
    Chainstay protector
    Handlebar end caps
    Chain rings

    Also

    Carbon grip paste
    Torque wrench
    Crown race setter tool

    You may need a star nut and cap too.

    Sent from my DROID BIONIC using Tapatalk 2

    This is where the math get's fuzzy for me. Unless you already have parts you want to swap over it doesn't seem to make sense to buy one of these Chinese frames, FS or HT. A good spec of parts (XT or XO) all in with Fork and Shock is going to cost about $4,000, maybe less if you can find some deals add in the frame and you're at $4,750. A Scott Spark 10 is $5,000 with a pretty good spec. For an extra $250 you get an assembled bike with a warranty and shop to stand behind anything else that may go wrong. It's a different story if you're swapping parts or can get a super deal on a build kit but otherwise it doesn't seem like a great deal.
  • 05-25-2012
    Adim_X
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by donjc451 View Post
    This is where the math get's fuzzy for me. Unless you already have parts you want to swap over it doesn't seem to make sense to buy one of these Chinese frames, FS or HT. A good spec of parts (XT or XO) all in with Fork and Shock is going to cost about $4,000, maybe less if you can find some deals add in the frame and you're at $4,750. A Scott Spark 10 is $5,000 with a pretty good spec. For an extra $250 you get an assembled bike with a warranty and shop to stand behind anything else that may go wrong. It's a different story if you're swapping parts or can get a super deal on a build kit but otherwise it doesn't seem like a great deal.

    Not sure where you are buying your parts. I can get a XT group with brakes, all day on ebay or from online sources like BikerBob for $800 or less. You can also get forks for $500 on ebay,amazon, anywhere. Wheels can be had for $300. Plus you get to spec the whole bike yourself. These bike can be built for way less and it is your bike, your spec. Plus some people just get their rocks off building bikes.
  • 05-25-2012
    donjc451
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Adim_X View Post
    Not sure where you are buying your parts. I can get a XT group with brakes, all day on ebay or from online sources like BikerBob for $800 or less. You can also get forks for $500 on ebay,amazon, anywhere. Wheels can be had for $300. Plus you get to spec the whole bike yourself. These bike can be built for way less and it is your bike, your spec. Plus some people just get their rocks off building bikes.


    I'm totally down with wanting to build a bike yourself and getting it exactly how you want. The point of my post however is if your solely doing this to get a great deal you may want to think twice. Look at at what a comparably spec'd Scott will cost you versus going Chinese and building it up from scratch. Here is a spec that might be considered comparable to a spark 9 (XT vs XO/X9 mix), these are good internet prices, yes if you went to 5 different shops online and e-bay you may be able to get better prices but most folks don't want to deal with that. This build would cost you $4,300 before any shipping costs, A Spark 9 goes for $4,200 and certainly has some cheaper parts like an aluminum stem and seatpost but it's a decent build. Not to be forgotten if the frame goes kablooey on your first ride your not SOL.

    Fork Float RLC $760
    Brakes XT $320
    Cassette XT 11-34 $80
    Chain XT $50
    Crankset XT $320
    F Derail XT $55
    R Deral XT $99
    Grips ESI $8
    Handlebar EC-70 $110
    Headset FSA $69
    Pedals C $110
    Saddle WTB $125
    Seatpost EC70 $140
    Shifters XT $160
    Stem EA90 $75
    Tires Rac Ralphs $120
    Wheels Stans $600
    Rear ShockFox RP3 $350
    Frame $750

    BTW, I'm not pushing Scott or any other big brand. I thought long and hard about buying Chinese and building it up which is why I have all these quotes handy but at the end of the day it didn't seem worth it to me. Ended up getting Scalpel 29er which I love and is a whole different topic.
  • 05-25-2012
    Beij
    Great to get your perspective but I agree with Admin_X, you can get a lot more for $4,000 off Ebay and other's online than the build you have suggested and my assumption from reading these forums is that most who buy these frames do enjoy shopping around for the best deals. Not sure what your referring to SOL re the frame. Haven't heard of any frames exploading and they come with 2 yr factory warranty. I've purchased a hardtail from Hongfu and after 6 months no problems with the frame. Granted a dually has more parts that can fail but so far I have experienced nothing to suggest that their frames are any less trail worthy than brand names (ie Scott) or that they won't honour their warranty if there is a problem. By the way, how do you find the Scalpel 29er?
  • 05-25-2012
    vwsurfbum
    The reason I bought it was because I snapped any Garry fisher and had all the parts.
    Buying all fresh parts will be an expensive way of doing it.
    Buy a second hand doner bike and swap all the stuff.
  • 05-25-2012
    donjc451
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Beij View Post
    Great to get your perspective but I agree with Admin_X, you can get a lot more for $4,000 off Ebay and other's online than the build you have suggested and my assumption from reading these forums is that most who buy these frames do enjoy shopping around for the best deals. Not sure what your referring to SOL re the frame. Haven't heard of any frames exploading and they come with 2 yr factory warranty. I've purchased a hardtail from Hongfu and after 6 months no problems with the frame. Granted a dually has more parts that can fail but so far I have experienced nothing to suggest that their frames are any less trail worthy than brand names (ie Scott) or that they won't honour their warranty if there is a problem. By the way, how do you find the Scalpel 29er?

    Didn't know Hongfu came with a warranty so my bad, though it will certainly be easier to deal with an LBS than an internet retailer if something goes wrong. I'm not implying that the quality is any worse or better either, they may even be made in the same factory since virtually all Carbon MTB frames are made in China these days. Bike frames do break though and how much hassle you want to deal with if it happens is something to consider in the equation when buying from an e-tailer based in China.

    As for the Scalpel I think it's awesome. It is absolutely the best climbing FS bike I've ever ridden if it has a negative I'd say it has mediocre small bump compliance. I've written a more thorough review on the Cannondale Forum.
  • 05-25-2012
    bt
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by donjc451 View Post
    though it will certainly be easier to deal with an LBS than an internet retailer if something goes wrong. How do you know this?

    since virtually all Carbon MTB frames are made in China these days. Are you sure?

    sources?
  • 05-25-2012
    vwsurfbum
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bt View Post
    sources?

    check the labels when you next go to a lbs
  • 05-25-2012
    bt
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by vwsurfbum View Post
    check the labels when you next go to a lbs

    try again...


    Quote:

    Virtually all carbon fiber bicycle component manufacturing for various bike brands occurs in China and Taiwan
  • 05-25-2012
    vwsurfbum
    So where do you think Taiwan is?
    Taiwan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
  • 05-25-2012
    bt
    Taiwan also is a member of the International Olympic Committee and sends its own team to the Olympic Games.
  • 05-25-2012
    meltingfeather
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by bt View Post
    Taiwan also is a member of the International Olympic Committee and sends its own team to the Olympic Games.

    Under the Chinese Taipei Olympic flag as a territory of the Republic of China.


    :skep:
  • 05-25-2012
    TR
    Some of the factories are also in Hong Kong (again part of China though).
  • 05-25-2012
    meltingfeather
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TR View Post
    Some of the factories are also in Hong Kong (again part of China though).

    but... but... they have their own olympic team. :D
  • 05-25-2012
    TR
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    but... but... they have their own olympic team. :D

    Oh yeah.
    My mistake. :p
  • 05-28-2012
    Timbo83
    any further updates from anyone who's put one of these together?
  • 05-28-2012
    henry9419
    any one try one of these?
    has anyone tried one of these? im thinking of saving for one of these possibly but id like to know how it will hold up first
    FLYXI 29ER dualie MTB Frame
  • 05-28-2012
    TR
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by henry9419 View Post
    has anyone tried one of these? im thinking of saving for one of these possibly but id like to know how it will hold up first
    FLYXI 29ER dualie MTB Frame

    Same frame as all of the ones posted here except from a different supplier.
  • 05-28-2012
    Pau11y
    Some clarification on Trigon CF 29er frame...


    This thing looks a bit different than the Hong Fu and FlyXi... Looks like a full FSR rear end to me, yeah?

    Here are some linkyz:
    Has geo: [ TRIGON ]
    Claims "4-linkage": :::: Welcome to TRIGON Bicycles ::::

    I'm a 29er n00b. But are those angles looking a bit steep or is it just me and my 26er bias?
  • 05-28-2012
    Perfect Gentleman
    Trigon's 29er is far more interesting that Flyxii & co.
    would like to know the price.
  • 05-29-2012
    vwsurfbum
    Your right its a different frame, but very similar. The rear brake is different and top tube is quite different
  • 05-29-2012
    Perfect Gentleman
    vwsurfbum, all of them are similar.
  • 05-29-2012
    vwsurfbum
    Well yes in that they are all bike frames lol
  • 05-29-2012
    MagicCarpet
    4 1/2" of rear travel and 490mm front axel to crown. I'd like to know what's going on there.
  • 05-29-2012
    Perfect Gentleman
    MagicCarpet, maybe it's misprint or for small size.
  • 05-29-2012
    emu26
    or they have used the same geo drawing from their carbon hardtail 29er here

    EDIT:
    then again maybe they haven't given one has linkages drawn and the other doesn't, sorry ;)
  • 05-29-2012
    Pau11y
    So, I got a response from someone named Stella from Trigon. That frame (SQC01) is $1305, + $396 UPS shipping. No clarification if it comes w/ a rear shock.
    At that price, I'd be looking at a Titus El Guapo or even a Kona Satori...yeah, it's not carbon but whatev. Email below:

    We don’t have any distributor in US and we can sell the SQC01 frame to you directly.
    The price for the frame is US$1305.
    The delivery fee via UPS express is US$396

    Please let us know if you have any question,



    Best Regards,

    Stella Chen
    Conviva Marketing Co., Ltd
    Team Leader, Sales Dept.
    11F.-9, No.20, Dalong Rd., West Dist.,
    Taichung City 403, Taiwan
    Tel:886-4-23209798#14
    Fax:886-4-23208848
    [ TRIGON ]
    Welcome to Intrepid Bicycles

    Edit: I mean, as a carbon frame, it's still a deal (kinda). Looking at Stella sig, I think they might be sourcing it from the mainland somewhere... Let's find out where and if there's a better price, yeah? :D
  • 05-29-2012
    Adroit Rider
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by henry9419 View Post
    has anyone tried one of these? im thinking of saving for one of these possibly but id like to know how it will hold up first
    FLYXI 29ER dualie MTB Frame

    My experience with Flyxii on their FR211 is they appear to be the "left over" or "second" or "discarded" distributor for Dengfu. Several who has taken delivery of the FR211 and matching fork have had small cosmetic issues. Mine had a chip in the seat tube collar area and a uneven finish carbon layer at the seat tube collar. Another recent poster had to sand down his steer tube to install the headset.

    You can save a little cash with Flyxii and if you can deal with cosmetic issues then I recommend them. If you want a closer to perfect product I would pay the premium for Dengfu.
  • 05-29-2012
    vwsurfbum
    I disagree with this, maybe with the HT not with the Full suspension models.
  • 05-29-2012
    Perfect Gentleman
    I think that 1800$ is for frame w/o shock. it's rather expensive. SC TB is more attractive in that case.
  • 06-02-2012
    Timbo83
    BUMP!! Updates on built bikes? Ride and reports? Anyone?
  • 06-02-2012
    vwsurfbum
    What would you like to know?
    I'm racing mine tomorrow, weighed it during the week, with Joplin and 120mm forks.
    No wheels it was 9kg.
  • 06-02-2012
    Timbo83
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by vwsurfbum View Post
    What would you like to know?
    I'm racing mine tomorrow, weighed it during the week, with Joplin and 120mm forks.
    No wheels it was 9kg.

    Have you got the suspension dialed nicely? Pedal vs bump compliance? Any issues with the rear suspension pivot or anything else?
  • 06-02-2012
    vwsurfbum
    I got it dialled after I got the fox shock, took a few rides to get the pressure right.
    Pivots are ace and they get used in all weather and conditions.
  • 06-02-2012
    sonic_W
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Pau11y View Post
    So, I got a response from someone named Stella from Trigon. That frame (SQC01) is $1305, + $396 UPS shipping. No clarification if it comes w/ a rear shock.
    At that price, I'd be looking at a Titus El Guapo or even a Kona Satori...yeah, it's not carbon but whatev. Email below:

    We don’t have any distributor in US and we can sell the SQC01 frame to you directly.
    The price for the frame is US$1305.
    The delivery fee via UPS express is US$396

    Please let us know if you have any question,



    Best Regards,

    Stella Chen
    Conviva Marketing Co., Ltd
    Team Leader, Sales Dept.
    11F.-9, No.20, Dalong Rd., West Dist.,
    Taichung City 403, Taiwan
    Tel:886-4-23209798#14
    Fax:886-4-23208848
    [ TRIGON ]
    Welcome to Intrepid Bicycles

    Edit: I mean, as a carbon frame, it's still a deal (kinda). Looking at Stella sig, I think they might be sourcing it from the mainland somewhere... Let's find out where and if there's a better price, yeah? :D

    Trigon also seems to have a Carbon triangle/alloy rear model and an all alloy model...it seems like those will be more reasonably priced.
  • 06-03-2012
    Timbo83
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by vwsurfbum View Post
    I got it dialled after I got the fox shock, took a few rides to get the pressure right.
    Pivots are ace and they get used in all weather and conditions.

    Good to hear.

    Anyone else got one built up? Still a little concerned about the rear pivot. Ive tried reading through this thread but still cant find definitive detail of what the issue is?

    Am i right in saying that the pivot consists solely of a whole thats been formed in the frame and a bolt that acts as the pivot through it? that would mean its straight up metal-on-carbon yeah?

    Also, what bottom bracket does this thing take?
  • 06-03-2012
    vwsurfbum
    Nope its a sealed bearing pivot.

    Std BB not that BB30 nonsense
  • 06-03-2012
    Timbo83
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by vwsurfbum View Post
    Nope its a sealed bearing pivot.

    Std BB not that BB30 nonsense

    Haha, i didnt think there such thing as standard BB anymore? Does that mean external threaded type, bb92, bb38 etc?

    Sorry for all questions, I'm planning a new build based around one of these frames, just want to make sure I know what I need prior to purchasing!
  • 06-03-2012
    Timbo83
    Awesome! I can run my xt cranks then

    Cheers
  • 06-03-2012
    vwsurfbum
    Yep std external type?
  • 06-05-2012
    Beij
    AUTUORI 874 CARBON 29R FULL SUSPENSION | Edge Design. - not sure if this is same frame but looks very similar, $1800 hope that includes shock!
  • 06-05-2012
    vwsurfbum
    looks like it. Shock included but that's a $1100 more for a bit of paint and a shock????
    Also it says BB30 and 1.5" headtube. Easily changed I guess, mine was tappered and std threaded BB
  • 06-05-2012
    Perfect Gentleman
    i think headtube is tapered in real.
  • 06-05-2012
    kraiza
    Better ways
    I don't see the economics on this either. There are at least 2 better ways which will save you time, money & hassles.

    1- Buy a mint used bike. There are 83 ads here alone. Many are mint & <$2500, like mine..;)

    Niner Jet 9 large - Buy and Sell and Review Mountain Bikes and Accessories

    or

    2- Buy a used "name brand" frame for $1000approx. & start there.


    Either way, a year from now you have a bike that can be sold for alot more than one of these & you will probably spend less & not have to "re-engineer" the bike.:madman:
  • 06-05-2012
    Beij
    You may be right but there is a certain emotional appeal to building these frames up from scratch. I can't comment on these duallies but I have built up 3 Chinese carbon hardtails and the experience has been no less difficult than building up a brand name hardtail. In any case I suspect some will enjoy the re-engineering and the reviews so far have been very positive for built up frames.
  • 06-05-2012
    finny1999
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kraiza View Post
    I don't see the economics on this either. There are at least 2 better ways which will save you time, money & hassles.

    1- Buy a mint used bike. There are 83 ads here alone. Many are mint & <$2500, like mine..;)

    Niner Jet 9 large - Buy and Sell and Review Mountain Bikes and Accessories

    or

    2- Buy a used "name brand" frame for $1000approx. & start there.


    Either way, a year from now you have a bike that can be sold for alot more than one of these & you will probably spend less & not have to "re-engineer" the bike.:madman:

    A lot of the appeal here is a carbon full suspension bike frame for around $1000. You are talking apples and oranges here by comparing you Jet 9 to the builds listed here. If we are talking $1000 full suspension frames sure there are plenty of options and you can get some near mint frames for that but 99% of them are going to be aluminum. Personally any 1K carbon frames I have seen are pretty whaled on .

    As far as arguing resale generally for what you save resale is a mute point. If you purchase a Tallboy C or Niner Rdo for lets say $2500 new, ride it for a year and sell it a year later you'd prob be lucky if you got $1500 out of it. Either way you would be looking at a $1000 loss which I believe that these frames will have more than a value of zero after a year. So why a "name brand" frame may have better resale you are still losing more money.
  • 06-05-2012
    TR
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kraiza View Post
    I don't see the economics on this either. There are at least 2 better ways which will save you time, money & hassles.

    1- Buy a mint used bike. There are 83 ads here alone. Many are mint & <$2500, like mine..;)

    Niner Jet 9 large - Buy and Sell and Review Mountain Bikes and Accessories

    or

    2- Buy a used "name brand" frame for $1000approx. & start there.


    Either way, a year from now you have a bike that can be sold for alot more than one of these & you will probably spend less & not have to "re-engineer" the bike.:madman:

    No offense but I would never buy a new Jet9 let alone a used one.
    And you must have had a lot better result from selling used bikes than I have.
  • 06-05-2012
    sonic_W
    if a frame depreciates 50% i'd rather lose $150-200 than $500-1000. i'm sure you can still sell a used chinese carbon frame in good condition locally for >$150. It's almost impulse buy territory.
  • 06-05-2012
    finny1999
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by sonic_W View Post
    if a frame depreciates 50% i'd rather lose $150-200 than $500-1000. i'm sure you can still sell a used chinese carbon frame in good condition locally for >$150. It's almost impulse buy territory.

    I'm kind of lost on your post here...Are you saying you only buy $300-400 frames? I would guess if someone was to sell their fs chinese carbon they would be able to get at least $400-600 for.

    Personally I buy bikes to ride and don't worry about resale. I think one of the advantage of these chinese frames are you can ride it for a season or two and throw it out and it still won't lose as much as riding name brand bikes and selling them.
  • 06-05-2012
    JoeKing
    Fruit salad
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by finny1999 View Post
    A lot of the appeal here is a carbon full suspension bike frame for around $1000. You are talking apples and oranges here by comparing you Jet 9 to the builds listed here. If we are talking $1000 full suspension frames sure there are plenty of options and you can get some near mint frames for that but 99% of them are going to be aluminum. Personally any 1K carbon frames I have seen are pretty whaled on .

    As far as arguing resale generally for what you save resale is a mute point. If you purchase a Tallboy C or Niner Rdo for lets say $2500 new, ride it for a year and sell it a year later you'd prob be lucky if you got $1500 out of it. Either way you would be looking at a $1000 loss which I believe that these frames will have more than a value of zero after a year. So why a "name brand" frame may have better resale you are still losing more money.


    I believe the discussion is about $2500 FS bikes. Sure we can debate the differences between aluminum & CF but from a $ to $ perspective the comparison is valid. Can you tell the difference in performance between 2 comparably equipped bikes..1 carbon & the other aluminum?

    I think bringing in $ 2500 Tallboys & RDOs isn't appropriate here. No one (in their right mind) would be choosing between a Chineese carbon & a new Tallboy to begin with. The more appropriate comparison would be...What would you rather start a build with..a new Chinesse or a 1 yr. old Tallboy if they both cost the same?

    Not to get all geo-political..BUT...don't you have a problem knowing these frames are being sold out the back door of companies basically "stealing" American co's frame designs? People comment.."it looks like a cross between a ____ & a ____" Duh, I wonder why..perhaps the Chineese co. thats making it also makes it for_____ & is tweaking the mold to make their own "original" (?) design. Not cool, especially for the American co. that spent the time & money developing the "real" frame & isn't profitting from their efforts.

    What about technical support.....what do you think "Jennie" knows about rake & trail or carbon lay-ups? Do you think you really have a 2-year warranty from a company you can't find on a map & has only a secretary that speaks english? Yeah right.
  • 06-05-2012
    finny1999
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JoeKing View Post
    I believe the discussion is about $2500 FS bikes. Sure we can debate the differences between aluminum & CF but from a $ to $ perspective the comparison is valid. Can you tell the difference in performance between 2 comparably equipped bikes..1 carbon & the other aluminum?

    I thought this thread was about chinese carbon full suspension frames. Sure there are plenty of $1000 frames and $2500 bikes available and there are more than enough threads about them.


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JoeKing View Post
    I think bringing in $ 2500 Tallboys & RDOs isn't appropriate here. No one (in their right mind) would be choosing between a Chineese carbon & a new Tallboy to begin with. The more appropriate comparison would be...What would you rather start a build with..a new Chinesse or a 1 yr. old Tallboy if they both cost the same?

    I think this is appropriate. Again we are talking about carbon full suspension bikes here. When I was shopping for a frame I did make a decision between these chinese carbon frames and the tallboy. Luckily I caught a good price on a new tallboy and had the money to spend on it so that's what I purchased. Considering what the few used tallboy i saw sell for 1k looking pretty used and abused I think i would gamble on the new chinese frame...

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JoeKing View Post
    Not to get all geo-political..BUT...don't you have a problem knowing these frames are being sold out the back door of companies basically "stealing" American co's frame designs? People comment.."it looks like a cross between a ____ & a ____" Duh, I wonder why..perhaps the Chineese co. thats making it also makes it for_____ & is tweaking the mold to make their own "original" (?) design. Not cool, especially for the American co. that spent the time & money developing the "real" frame & isn't profitting from their efforts.

    What about technical support.....what do you think "Jennie" knows about rake & trail or carbon lay-ups? Do you think you really have a 2-year warranty from a company you can't find on a map & has only a secretary that speaks english? Yeah right.

    Not about to get into the whole geo political debate. Personally I can appreciate that some of us are on budgets and can't afford the newest and greatest and have to look at other options. To me it comes down to most of these frames are coming from the same place and same quality and your paying a fraction of the cost because it doesn't have a big name sticker on it. I think a good majority of us have gotten poor customer service from a big name manufacturer, retailer or lbs. I wouldn't expect much for customer service from chinese carbon goods but i'm also not paying for it.
  • 06-05-2012
    TR
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JoeKing View Post
    Not to get all geo-political..BUT...don't you have a problem knowing these frames are being sold out the back door of companies basically "stealing" American co's frame designs? People comment.."it looks like a cross between a ____ & a ____" Duh, I wonder why..perhaps the Chineese co. thats making it also makes it for_____ & is tweaking the mold to make their own "original" (?) design. Not cool, especially for the American co. that spent the time & money developing the "real" frame & isn't profitting from their efforts.

    What about technical support.....what do you think "Jennie" knows about rake & trail or carbon lay-ups? Do you think you really have a 2-year warranty from a company you can't find on a map & has only a secretary that speaks english? Yeah right.

    Nice post with a heap of nonsense about someting you have no real idea on.
    If this is what you really think is happening then you need to go away, read up and then come back and post when you actually have a clue.

    Oh and awesome 1st post.
  • 06-05-2012
    JoeKing
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TR View Post
    Nice post with a heap of nonsense about someting you have no real idea on.
    If this is what you really think is happening then you need to go away, read up and then come back and post when you actually have a clue.

    Oh and awesome 1st post.


    OK, then give me a clue. Since you obviously are aware of the goings on in factories on the other side of the world. Where did you "read up" about these frames? The websites I saw didn't describe their R&D. Sure they build ALOT of frames, Hersheys makes ALOT of chocolate BFD, but the design is what costs.

    Who designed the frames? What races have they won?

    How is buying one of these frames benefiting any American..or doesn't it matter..you still have a job. Everyone else can go away, right?

    Glad you liked my 1st post..love to impress the shut-ins.
  • 06-05-2012
    Timbo83
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JoeKing View Post
    OK, then give me a clue. Since you obviously are aware of the goings on in factories on the other side of the world. Where did you "read up" about these frames? The websites I saw didn't describe their R&D. Sure they build ALOT of frames, Hersheys makes ALOT of chocolate BFD, but the design is what costs.

    Who designed the frames? What races have they won?

    How is buying one of these frames benefiting any American..or doesn't it matter..you still have a job. Everyone else can go away, right?

    Glad you liked my 1st post..love to impress the shut-ins.

    From my point of view, as someone from Australia, a similar carbon frame (santa cruz, niner etc) would cost between $3300-3900 (yep, prices are a lot higher here). I can buy 4 of these frames and still come out on top. even if a frame only lasts me a year of XC riding, i could still get more value out of it than a santa cruz or niner.

    im not bagging the big named guys, i totally appreciate the effort that goes into research and testing frames. but i have a tight budget ,and a wife that doesnt care about brand loyalty when there is a $3000 difference in price. thats our entire savings for holidays for a year, and i'll be pretty hard pressed to convince ger that this year we arent having a holiday because i want a niner frame intead of one of these.

    i guess what im saying is in a utopian world we would all have the cash to spend on bikes like SC, Niner, Scott etc, but we just dont. and if i want to compete at local elite level against sponsored guys that do have these big name bikes, i have to cut corners where i can!
  • 06-06-2012
    Beij
    JoeKing, my impression from your post is that you are implying people who buys these frames are not supporting the people who do the r&d, I assume if we bought a name brand you would be happy. I've bought three of the Chinese carbon hardtail frames and will probably get a dually. I don't know about supporting American jobs as I also live in Australia. But in addition to the $20,000+ I have spent at my lbs on name brand bikes over the years (Santa Cruz Blur xc, Pivot Mach 4, Voodoo Sobo, Trek Road bike, multiple rebuilds etc) I will keep going back to them to fix my re-engineering mistakes on these carbon frames. Is that good enough? P.s. I drive a crappy $700 car to pay for my passion, now I feel guilty for not supporting the local car industry.
  • 06-06-2012
    TR
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JoeKing View Post
    OK, then give me a clue. Since you obviously are aware of the goings on in factories on the other side of the world. Where did you "read up" about these frames? The websites I saw didn't describe their R&D. Sure they build ALOT of frames, Hersheys makes ALOT of chocolate BFD, but the design is what costs.

    Who designed the frames? What races have they won?

    How is buying one of these frames benefiting any American..or doesn't it matter..you still have a job. Everyone else can go away, right?

    Glad you liked my 1st post..love to impress the shut-ins.

    So basically you are saying that if it aint made in the Good Ol' USA it aint worth having.
    Luckily for me I am not an American and dont share this common insular American mindset.
    The Chinese are the largest suppliers of bicycles and Carbon Fiber products in the world.
    Where did you "READ UP" that Jenny DOESN'T understand carbon fiber lay up and head angles.
    Where on the internet did you "READ UP" that she DOES NOT do R&D and DOES NOT know about layup and design.
    Where did you "READ UP" that the cooperative of companies that produce these frames DID NOT research, develop, design and create these frames?
  • 06-06-2012
    bt
    Joe tried to hit on Jenny and was shut down, apparently.
  • 06-06-2012
    Adim_X
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TR View Post
    So basically you are saying that if it aint made in the Good Ol' USA it aint worth having.
    Luckily for me I am not an American and dont share this common insular American mindset.
    The Chinese are the largest suppliers of bicycles and Carbon Fiber products in the world.
    Where did you "READ UP" that Jenny DOESN'T understand carbon fiber lay up and head angles.
    Where on the internet did you "READ UP" that she DOES NOT do R&D and DOES NOT know about layup and design.
    Where did you "READ UP" that the cooperative of companies that produce these frames DID NOT research, develop, design and create these frames?

    Not all Americans share that mindset. Some of us understand economics and globalization. Please try not to stereotype the masses for the words of the few.:)
  • 06-06-2012
    TR
    Agree it is not ALL Americans.
    But it does seem common.
  • 06-07-2012
    kimare
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JoeKing View Post
    Who designed the frames? What races have they won?

    How is buying one of these frames benefiting any American..or doesn't it matter..you still have a job. Everyone else can go away, right?

    Who designed these frames? I guess the same who designed the frames which are sold in thousands by in-house brands sportswarehouses.

    What races they have won? According to the partner of a former WC silver winner in XC, took Victor Koretzky gold in the junior men’s cross country race of the 2011 UCI Mountain bike World Championships on noname chinese carbon hardtail.

    Why does these Americans compaies supports chinese workers instead of supporting american workers. Their bosses still have a job. Everyone else can go away, right?
  • 06-08-2012
    Gabe3
    how much does flyxii charge for shipping to the US? and how much does the FLX-FR-210 weigh?
  • 06-09-2012
    Timbo83
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Gabe3 View Post
    how much does flyxii charge for shipping to the US? and how much does the FLX-FR-210 weigh?

    I believe there is a picture of a large on scales in this thread, I think it came in at 2056g. That's without the shock and hardware. And I think shipping is free, I've sent an email to flyxii about shipping.

    What finish does everyone think is best for showing up frame damage in the future? Clear or matte, and which weave 3k, 12k or UD?
  • 06-09-2012
    vwsurfbum
    Flyxii postage is free, both times on the HT and the full suss. I did have to pay a minimal charge to customs on the HT though.

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  • 06-09-2012
    Elacrosse7
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by TR View Post
    Agree it is not ALL Americans.
    But it does seem common.

    After living abroad for three years and traveling to more than 40 countries, I have seen a coo on theme - ignorance in the literal sense. Most other cultures are so homogeneous that they do not have the opportunity to see, learn, understand, and then value the perspective of others. This isn't isolated to Americans like myself as I believe that mindset is more prevalent in other cultures. By the way, both Aus and NZ have been impacted more than the US from Chines economics around currency influences on the import and export markets.

    With that said, these frames are intriguing and a great value. The economics behind them do not necessarily make them a great long term value as the price advantage is not sustainable for the long term (separate discussion).

    As for the bike and a review, it appears that you should just read the reviews of the Scott Spark or the Scott bike posted earlier in the thread.

    They appear to be the exact same bike.
  • 06-09-2012
    Adroit Rider
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Elacrosse7 View Post

    With that said, these frames are intriguing and a great value. The economics behind them do not necessarily make them a great long term value as the price advantage is not sustainable for the long term (separate discussion).

    Interesting, I would think cutting out the brand and dealer would provide significant cost savings and allow price to remain low. Do you think others will enter this space and force brand and service to provide advantage?
  • 06-10-2012
    Timbo83
    I tried sending these questions to flyxii, but i think the language barrier might be a bit of an issue as the reply was hard to understand. hoping someone can answer on here -

    -does the FLX-FR-210 frame come with a derailleur hanger?
    -which model derailleur hanger does the FLX-FR-210 use, as i would like to get 2 spare ones?
    -which headset does the frame come with, and does the frame ship with the headset installed?
  • 06-10-2012
    vwsurfbum
    Headset and hanger comes with the frame.
  • 06-10-2012
    vwsurfbum
    Its a neco headset and it just fits together, cups are already installed
  • 06-14-2012
    Timbo83
    So, I had an email from Flyxii confirming that they can do a matte 3k finish, and that the bottom bracket is a bb30 type!

    Anyone else got a bb30 from flyxii? I see that hongfu do this as an option, but the frame on the flyxii site looks like a threaded type
  • 06-14-2012
    vwsurfbum
    Mine from flyxii was threaded, but my HT came through as BB30 but was stated as threaded, so just bought a FSA adapter.
  • 06-14-2012
    Timbo83
    Hmmm. Maybe I should just order it and wait to order the cranks when it gets here!!
  • 06-14-2012
    vwsurfbum
    Yep :lol:
  • 06-17-2012
    bowseruni
    how tall are you guys and what size frames are you getting?

    i'm 6" and trying to determine what size i need
  • 06-17-2012
    vwsurfbum
    5'10" I went for the 17.5"
  • 06-17-2012
    Boyonabyke
    Anyone preferred for looking at an XL with a 21 inch frame?
  • 06-17-2012
    Timbo83
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RandyBoy View Post
    Anyone preferred for looking at an XL with a 21 inch frame?

    I'm 180cm and went 19" frame. Its closer to my current ride geometry, - giant anthem -just a little longer top tube
  • 06-20-2012
    the-milkybar-kid
    Hi i have 19" matt on order i have a fox rp23 for it can anyone tell me what size mount kit & the size of the bolts i need to fit it please.
  • 06-20-2012
    vwsurfbum
    22mm bushes and 8m bolts, just can't remember the lengths I think 35mm?
  • 06-20-2012
    nbwallace
    The answer is in my previous post
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by the-milkybar-kid View Post
    Hi i have 19" matt on order i have a fox rp23 for it can anyone tell me what size mount kit & the size of the bolts i need to fit it please.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/8835610-post98.html

    I ended up making a brass part to act as a nut on one of the mounts.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/8926369-post140.html
  • 06-23-2012
    Timbo83
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by the-milkybar-kid View Post
    Hi i have 19" matt on order i have a fox rp23 for it can anyone tell me what size mount kit & the size of the bolts i need to fit it please.

    From info in this forum from previous posts, ive ordered;

    -1 of these FTC Titan M8 x 36 Dämpfer - Achse | bikehardest
    -1 of these FTC Titan M8 x 31 Dämpfer - Achse | 299-Kappen - Hülsen | 16-silber | 1-Titan & Al | bikehardest
    - and 4 of these Titan Schraube M6 x 10 Linsenkopf Iso 7380 Grade 5 | 366-M6 | 43-ISO 7380 Linse | 17-Ti-Schrauben | 16-silber | 1-Titan & Al | bikehardest

    and the 22mm wide x 8mm diam bushing spacers for your shock
  • 06-24-2012
    Barteos
    the real cost of ownership...
    There was a time when I was very tempted with Chinese frames but then I've done the math and I've realised that they turn out to be quite an expensive option. Some other problems aside, considering the resalable(?) "value", the moment you buy it, you effectively throw away most of your money.

    I'm NOT in any way criticising anyone's decisions as I used to find the Chinese carbon offering very tempting myself.
    I'm just wondering how many people really have an idea of how much it's going to cost them in a longer run.
  • 06-24-2012
    Beij
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Barteos View Post
    There was a time when I was very tempted with Chinese frames but then I've done the math and I've realised that they turn out to be quite an expensive option. Some other problems aside, considering the resalable(?) "value", the moment you buy it, you effectively throw away most of your money.

    I'm NOT in any way criticising anyone's decisions as I used to find the Chinese carbon offering very tempting myself.
    I'm just wondering how many people really have an idea of how much it's going to cost them in a longer run.

    Can you give an example of why this is not cost effective? My math isn't that good but a $700 frame + max $400 for shock and hardware is still far less than current prices for name brand 29er carbon duallies. Resale on any bike will represent a huge loss on your initial purchase so you may actuall lose less if you have to sell a Chinese frame, even if you part out and sell the components individually?
  • 06-24-2012
    Gabe3
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Barteos View Post
    There was a time when I was very tempted with Chinese frames but then I've done the math and I've realised that they turn out to be quite an expensive option. Some other problems aside, considering the resalable(?) "value", the moment you buy it, you effectively throw away most of your money.

    I'm NOT in any way criticising anyone's decisions as I used to find the Chinese carbon offering very tempting myself.
    I'm just wondering how many people really have an idea of how much it's going to cost them in a longer run.

    people have already done the math on chinese frames, thats why they are buying them over a name brand, lol. I've seen the 26" chinese used frame sell for $300, $400 is what it cost new, so $100 loss is not bad at all. my 21# chinese carbon 29 HT cost me $1900 total, a name brand would cost $3000+. I don't see how thats "an expensive option".