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    https://dengfu.en.alibaba.com/produc..._165_38mm.html

    Less pricey.
    Geometry is great for modern XC, but i have a doubt on the main pivot location. It seems a bit too low (compared with the new LCFS902 from yishun) so we must expect degraded antisquat with big chainrings...

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    I am not seeing a whole lot of difference between a 036 and the FM06
    I copied and pasted a transparent image of the FM06 on top of the 036 image.

    The head angle is different on the FM06
    The rear stay has no pivot on the FM 06

    The frame size is a bit larger in the FM06 image but you can move the transparent FM06 image around and line up the BB and fame tubes to do a compare

    Dual Suspension Chinese Carbon  29er-bothframes.pngDual Suspension Chinese Carbon  29er-036.pngDual Suspension Chinese Carbon  29er-fm06.png

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    I would argue that a 1.5 degree change in HTA and no Pivot near the axle are very significaht changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    I would argue that a 1.5 degree change in HTA and no Pivot near the axle are very significaht changes.

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    I'd agree. Not to mention shorter chainstays. The FM06 is clearly more up to date.

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    That said, if you're considering paying $1400 on eBay for that frame, just buy a Yeti ASRc on CC/BB for $2200 and get a warranty AND a Fox DPS Factory shock.

    Buying a shock for that frame puts you most of the way towards the Yeti, which this frame is clearly trying to replicate.
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    $1,400 is way too much for a Chinese FS frame. I think that eBay listing is about double what you should be able to find it selling for through places like XMcarbonspeed, Workwell, HungFu, etc. I would expect the price to be closer to $700, like the IP/FM/CS-036 (which is even cheaper these days).

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    the price in Hong Fu its 660 -700 usd

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    Has anyone installed a BB30 bottom bracket on the 036 frame?
    Is it actually BB30 (circlips and bearing pressed into BB housing)?
    Or, are they actually PF30 - which uses pressed in cups?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr4fox View Post
    Has anyone installed a BB30 bottom bracket on the 036 frame?
    Is it actually BB30 (circlips and bearing pressed into BB housing)?
    Or, are they actually PF30 - which uses pressed in cups?
    Mine was a normal BB30 with circlips... but PF30 didn't exist back then

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    Quote Originally Posted by two-one View Post
    Mine was a normal BB30 with circlips... but PF30 didn't exist back then
    Thanks two-one,

    Ever had any creaking/problems with it?

    I'm.sure mine must be the same. They said BB30 when I bought it but as I was running Shimano cranks I never bothered to look to see if it had grooves for the circlips or measure the diameter of the housing to confirm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mr4fox View Post
    Ever had any creaking/problems with it?
    Ehmm... i've had to replace the bearings more often than my older hollowtech cranks, but luckily they can be ordered cheaply online (its just a simple 6806-2RS bearing). BB30 sealing is always poorer than modern cups. It also depends on the preloading system. My FSA crank has a preload collar that has to be turned to reduce sideways play.
    One trick is by buying aftermarket enduro seals for BB30 that creates an extra sealing layer, and mount with loads of waterproof grease.

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    Quote Originally Posted by two-one View Post
    Ehmm... i've had to replace the bearings more often than my older hollowtech cranks, but luckily they can be ordered cheaply online (its just a simple 6806-2RS bearing). BB30 sealing is always poorer than modern cups. It also depends on the preloading system. My FSA crank has a preload collar that has to be turned to reduce sideways play.
    One trick is by buying aftermarket enduro seals for BB30 that creates an extra sealing layer, and mount with loads of waterproof grease.
    Thanks for the tips.

    Just ordered a BB30 power2max S-type power meter so guess I'm stuck living with it for a while. Will have to keep an eye on the bearings and maybe a spare pair on hand.
    Cheers

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    Hi all

    Got my main pivot replacement bolt this week from hongfu.Got 3 just incase.
    Thinking about it Hongfu are likely creators of fm036 if those production photos are to be believed. No one else could source replacement bolts.

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    Custom LaMere Boost 148 Rear for HM036

    Dual Suspension Chinese Carbon  29er-20161010_132156-copy.jpgWe just had a Boost 148 custom carbon rear end made for the popular open mould 29er full suspension HM036 (and many other names) frames..... fits 3" tires, we beefed it up made it super stiff and burly with nicer pivot points.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jplamere1 View Post
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ID:	1104305We just had a Boost 148 custom carbon rear end made for the popular open mould 29er full suspension HM036 (and many other names) frames..... fits 3" tires, we beefed it up made it super stiff and burly with nicer pivot points.
    I like it! Looks like it will be a popular choice as 29+ gains popularity.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jplamere1 View Post
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ID:	1104305We just had a Boost 148 custom carbon rear end made for the popular open mould 29er full suspension HM036 (and many other names) frames..... fits 3" tires, we beefed it up made it super stiff and burly with nicer pivot points.
    What do you mean by nicer pivot points?


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    In order to accommodate 3 inch tires, I am guessing that only the lower chain stay section is what you are talking about replacing on the 036 frames?

    The upper section that leads up to the shock pivot is the stock one?

    Also, more detail on the nicer pivot point statement?
    Different bearings?

    Are you selling the lower section?

    We need more detailed info please

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    Imo, the upper section looks beafier too and the flex comes from the main pivot, being quite narrow basewise. Same issue with the upper links...
    I'm critical about the custom-Lamere-rear feeling stiffer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dikkie View Post
    Imo, the upper section looks beafier too and the flex comes from the main pivot, being quite narrow basewise. Same issue with the upper links...
    I'm critical about the custom-Lamere-rear feeling stiffer?
    Possibly Lamere would like to quantify how much the lateral stiffness is improved, possibly by side loading the frame and measuring the amount of deflection, then comparing that to the deflection in the stock -036.

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    hey guys,

    does anybody has this frame and any experience about the frame?
    What do you think about the geo?
    Thank you very much for your informations.

    29er Full Suspension XC Carbon Frame LCFS903-Yishunbike

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    Have you guys seen the new one from Peter at XMCarbonspeed?

    The FS27 bears resemblance to the new Scott Spark 710 Plus.

    Some notable differences though: XMCarbonspeed claims that the bike can only be ran with 275x2.8, no 275x3.0 or 29x2.2 for this bike. This is classic "how close is the copy to the original?" I was really hoping I could run something similar with 275x2.8 most of the time or 29x2.3 for long days.

    The other difference is in the chainstay length. Scott has the Spark set at a quite short 428, while XMCarbonspeed is another 10mm at 438.

    How a bike with 10mm extra chainstay length can't fit a slightly bigger tire is beyond me, but whatever.
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    Same chainstay length, actually. The head tube is a bit shorter on the XM frame, or so it's written. The stack and reach measurements are identical, though, so that may be in error. The two are functionally identical.

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    wow, that thing looks identical, except for the headtube... maybe the front triangle was redesigned, and they use a previous mold?

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexdi View Post
    Same chainstay length, actually.
    Sorry I think I missed that Scott appears to be making two different Spark frames. Check out the differences in geometry between:

    Scott Spark 700 Premium

    Scott Spark 900 Ultimate

    Scott Spark 710 Plus Tuned

    Enduro Mag kinda covered these differences in a table at the bottom of this preview.

    The tricky part, from what I understand, will be obtaining a shock to fit the FS27, as currently the 165x45 Metric sized shocks are not available aftermarket yet.
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    rear brake mount

    Wonder how much having the brake mounted on the seatstay will effect performance vs it being a floating mount like on the scott.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blurbikerider View Post
    Wonder how much having the brake mounted on the seatstay will effect performance vs it being a floating mount like on the scott.
    Seeing as it's a one piece rear triangle, I'm guessing it won't matter in the slightest.

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    Selling my CS-036 build. Very low mileage. 1600 plus 100 for shipping. You can see a pic of it here. bushcat's CS-036 chinese carbon fs build

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    OMFG!

    https://www.alibaba.com/product-deta...838.0.0.ntkTgN

    this frame has same geometry of spark 29 120mm with rear triangle for 27.5+

    likes foocking amazing!

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    HERE SAYS THAT IT WORKS FOR A 29X2.25 TIRE TOO!
    https://www.alibaba.com/product-deta...580326587.html, But For a more XC ride I think that Denf Fu FM06 with an 120mm 51mm offset Sid, it will rise the BB about 10 mm and will be a rocket on singletrack! Now we have to see how it performs in real life, the flexstays need to work as the original frame that they copied

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    Quote Originally Posted by Don Ticho View Post
    HERE SAYS THAT IT WORKS FOR A 29X2.25 TIRE TOO!
    https://www.alibaba.com/product-deta...580326587.html, But For a more XC ride I think that Denf Fu FM06 with an 120mm 51mm offset Sid, it will rise the BB about 10 mm and will be a rocket on singletrack! Now we have to see how it performs in real life, the flexstays need to work as the original frame that they copied
    the difference is the rear triangle with more clearance for 27.5+ tires

    the pure 29er use 12x142m rear axle, and the 27.5+ version use 12x148mm boost

    the geometry is a lot of similar.. but I personality in 27.5+ version

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    As far as I can see, there is no cable routing for remote rear shock. Or if the cable port on the right side should be for the remote shock, there is no cable routing for a dropper post. It's hard to see on the pictures...

    The pictures show a shock with manual lever. But this lever will be damn far down to reach with the trunnion shock mounted upside down.

    Also the rear brake cable routing along the top tube is a little bit annoying because the cable will move when the suspension is working. Why not route the brake cable along the down tube the same way the rear derailleur cable routes?

    The devil is always in the datails. But the frame is very interesting...

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    I see three holes in front of the frame, but only two exit holes. I assume one of the entry holes is intended for an internal dropper?

    This frame should have pretty decent anti-squat figures. Given that it's very much a trail bike, I don't think I'd miss a rear lockout.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bushcat View Post
    Selling my CS-036 build. Very low mileage. 1600 plus 100 for shipping. You can see a pic of it here. bushcat's CS-036 chinese carbon fs build

    Pm sent

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    If anybody needs derailleur hangers for a CS-036, give me a shout. I've got three of them, two new. $20 shipped for all of them.
    Last edited by alexdi; 2 Weeks Ago at 09:17 AM.

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    If anyone is getting ready to sell there 036 frameset, let me know! I'm in need of a size large frame

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    Here's something interesting:

    The Miracle FS029 XC 29er on Alibaba is listed as a 100mm rear travel with 12x142 rear axle. It says it's max tire is 29x2.25 which sounds a lot like the 2017 Spark RC.

    The Miracle FS027 650B Plus is listed as 120mm rear travel with a 12x148 rear axle and 275x2.8 max tire. Which sounds a lot like the 2017 Spark 700 Plus. The Scott can fit a 29x2.35 tire or larger, but we're not sure whether the Chinese version can.

    The geometry charts are identical for the Alibaba Miracle bikes, which is not the case with the Sparks, which have quite few differences between models.

    This is one of those situations where I wish Peter at Xiamen Carbon Speed or another reseller would just send us the CAD drawings so we could determine exactly how much tire clearance we have.

    Or someone can just buy one and see if they can't fit a 29x2.35 in the rear triangle.
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