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  1. #1851
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    It wonder when the designers will get with the times and get a frame with modern geo.. They rock with road frames and their hardtails kickass too.. that dual link frame is a start but not that great. I would of thought by now they would have some new stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panzer103 View Post
    It wonder when the designers will get with the times and get a frame with modern geo.. They rock with road frames and their hardtails kickass too.. that dual link frame is a start but not that great. I would of thought by now they would have some new stuff.
    I think the only answer to that is when an open mold is created like that which in theory will be when the copyrights run out....

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    Hey guys, after about 500 miles I took apart my IP036 rear triangle and found some washers that needed attention.
    I never took it apart to grease anything and some washer are making contact aluminum to aluminum.
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    Wondering if anyone replaced them with DELRIN or PTFE washers as I cannot find those for sale on the standard suppliers (mcmaster/fastenal/grainger).
    2 washers 8x12x2.5mm
    2 washers 15x8x2.5mm

    The remaining 4 washers were fine and I don't see a need to replace.

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    Which pivot do those washers belong to?

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    Top pivot, close to seatpost to hold the dogbone. I believe those are the ones with most movement.

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    Also going to need to replace the shock bolts. The 35x8mm ones.
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    So far no luck with mcmaster o fastenall.

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    Shame on me. After taking it all apart and understanding how it works, I learn there is no need for Delrin washers which by the way are too soft. The only reason those 2 washers are worn is because when I built the bike a shaved a bit of the main pivot bolts to get through the needle bearing body.
    The new RWC needle bearings come with multiple body options which eliminates the need to shave anything and help eliminate play. So I got a new pair and now just need to wait for the original bolts to come from china.

    Quote Originally Posted by charlesrg View Post
    Hey guys, after about 500 miles I took apart my IP036 rear triangle and found some washers that needed attention.
    I never took it apart to grease anything and some washer are making contact aluminum to aluminum.
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    Wondering if anyone replaced them with DELRIN or PTFE washers as I cannot find those for sale on the standard suppliers (mcmaster/fastenal/grainger).
    2 washers 8x12x2.5mm
    2 washers 15x8x2.5mm

    The remaining 4 washers were fine and I don't see a need to replace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charlesrg View Post
    Shame on me. After taking it all apart and understanding how it works, I learn there is no need for Delrin washers which by the way are too soft. The only reason those 2 washers are worn is because when I built the bike a shaved a bit of the main pivot bolts to get through the needle bearing body.
    The new RWC needle bearings come with multiple body options which eliminates the need to shave anything and help eliminate play. So I got a new pair and now just need to wait for the original bolts to come from china.
    Hey Charles, please post which RWC bearings you ordered.

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    I ordered the : NBKRWC2220 - RWC Shock NB Kit, 22.2mm and also the NBT3 - RWC DU Bushing Pilot.
    I believe it's the same as yours.

    I've absolute 0 play however I still want to get a pair of washers as mine were too thin in the main to pivot.

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    Anyone with the CS-36 frame managed to stealth the seatpost? I PM'd someone on this thread who has apparently done so but he hasnt replied?

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    I posted a pic showing a cable going from the seattube to the downtube through the BSA BB shell.
    That was possible because the BB shell in my frame had cut-outs (1 hole in the direction of the seattube and another to the downtube).

    However, I discovered that the cable guides inside the downtube were tubes glued to the 'in and out-ports'.
    To route the stealth cable through an exit-port on top of the downtube I would have to cut a hole through this innertube.
    I decided not to go that route and went with an 'outside-cable-activated'-dropper.

    It should be possible:
    - If your alu BBshell has the cutouts.
    - If you're willing to drill a hole through the inner guide-tube via the upper porthole, a slip of your drill-machine could cause ugly damage.
    - Dont' forget to use the sleeve of your BB, I've seen some crankaxles that were almost cut in half by the stealth hose!

    Quote Originally Posted by thargs View Post
    Anyone with the CS-36 frame managed to stealth the seatpost? I PM'd someone on this thread who has apparently done so but he hasnt replied?

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    Does anyone have flex in their CS or IP-36 rear triangle? Do you see flex when you push or pull the top part of the wheel from side to side? I feel I have to much flex.

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    I think many of us have flex, not sure if it really compromises the riding. I've raced on this frame many times and got several podiums on it sometimes against much more expensive bikes.
    I would suggest we use a gopro mounted to the saddle to check if it really does create an issue.

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    While there is a bit of flex in my -036, I don't find it objectionable and I don't think it affects the ride of the frame. Possibly some are worse than others.

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    Dual Suspension Chinese Carbon 29er

    Yes if I grab my wheel and pull it back and forth the triangle flexes.

    I do notice it cornering sometimes on long twisty descents. Straightline I can't tell.

    I still keep up with the s-works epics just fine. Sometimes leaving them behind. So I dont worry about it.

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    Thanks for the info. Ill see how it goes. Will update how the ride is on the trails. Below are some photos of the build.
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    thargs, for improved cable routing, you could flip your shock 180 deg. like I did. Here is a picture:

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    I assume it works just as well in that position?

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    The Fox shock works fine, I confirmed with Fox Tech Support that there is no problem using the shock in that orientation. I've also seen other brand name bikes with the shock flipped around like that from the factory.

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    I flipped mine as well for better lever access. Feels identical to other direction.

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    Took the CS-36 out for its first spin on the dirt and loved it. 1.5hr ride and not an issue with anything on a wide range of easy to technical. The whole bike felt solid and true throughout. Definitly climbing better on this bike compared to the Merida 96 26" I had. Highly recommended.

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    Hi all, I have just purchased a 036 from Peter and am expecting it in the next few weeks, just wondering if anyone could confirm the front deraulier is an e2 type before I order one? also what bearing kit has everyone replaced the standard ones with?
    And finally what's the largest travel fork people are running on this frame?
    Thanks in advance

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    Help

    I managed to brake this. Is there a replacement to get hold of?

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    Have anybody tried CFM035 from Carbonbikekits, how is this?
    Looks very light!
    What do you think about this geometri?
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    Hello,

    I've broken the main pivot bolt on my fm036. This is the large pivot behind the bottom bracket shell. Does anyone know of an equivalent bolt made for a name brand or should I just ask a Chinese vendor.
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    My broken bolt
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    The head breaking off an aluminum bolt probably means it was tightened down way too much.

    There is really not much stress on the bolts side to side
    So either the bolt material has a stress crack or it was tightened down too much

    You can contact the seller and see if they can get you one from the frame maker

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    The IP-036 Seems to be the flavor in this thread, but how do you guys feel about this one?

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    This will be my first DS bike. I ride AM and I'm pretty big, coming in at 225lbs.

    Thanks for any information!

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    A 70 degree HTA probably isn't the best idea for actual AM riding...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    A 70 degree HTA probably isn't the best idea for actual AM riding...

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    IIRC, the IP-036 is 69.5.

    Is that .5 a big deal? (not being sarcastic, teach!)

    Thank you btw

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    Yes. Most bikes in that category have head tube angles in the 67 or lower range.

    Check out the Ican P8 instead.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PHeller View Post
    Yes. Most bikes in that category have head tube angles in the 67 or lower range.

    Check out the Ican P8 instead.
    Gotcha!

    Thanks, (to you as well, Duke).

    That Ican P8 is a 27.5". They have a comparable 29er, the "AC036", which I assume is the same as an IP-36.

    Thanks for the catch, back to the drawing board, I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by panzer103 View Post
    Thats about it. I have great luck with my chinese hardtail. Stiff, light and awesome and even my road bike is awesome but this thing is a piece of ****. $800 down the drain
    Think of it as a life lesson. A cheap carbon F/s bike is like going to a bar and finding a cheap girl friend. Sooner or later you're going to find out about kids she had in the past, a bad FICO score, perhaps a couple STD's, etc.
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    If anyone needs a spare derailleur hanger I have extras after selling my bikes. New, never used. Fits the -057 or -036. PM me for details. 12x142 Thru Axle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Epic_Dude View Post
    If anyone needs a spare derailleur hanger I have extras after selling my bikes. New, never used. Fits the -057 or -036. PM me for details.
    Hey Epic_Dude, what thru-axle where you using the these hangers? I'm having a hell of a time finding a 142x12 axle that will work with these Chiner dropouts. The nut seems to be the biggest challenge. I'd like to use an X-12 system but have no idea which Nut to get that will fit the dropouts. I've tried searching but haven't found any clear answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nico Allen View Post
    Hey Epic_Dude, what thru-axle where you using the these hangers? I'm having a hell of a time finding a 142x12 axle that will work with these Chiner dropouts. The nut seems to be the biggest challenge. I'd like to use an X-12 system but have no idea which Nut to get that will fit the dropouts. I've tried searching but haven't found any clear answer.
    I use this one: https://www.bike-components.de/en/Sh...-12-mm-p40818/

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    i might be confusing things but ''X-12'' is a Syntace standard and these frames are made for Shimanos 142x12 standard, not Syntaces.

    here is a cheapis lightweight alternative MT ZOOM Ultralight SHIMANO E-THRU REAR AXLE - Only 34.99
    extralight and Carbon Ti do expensive lightweight options.

    the nuts can be difficult to find but i got mine here
    https://r2-bike.com/SHIFT-UP-Nut-M12...le-12-x-142-mm

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    I notice flex too. With each pedalstroke I can see the rear triangle shift to the right and feather back to the centerposition.(Estimate at least 0.5cm).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nico Allen View Post
    Hey Epic_Dude, what thru-axle where you using the these hangers? I'm having a hell of a time finding a 142x12 axle that will work with these Chiner dropouts. The nut seems to be the biggest challenge. I'd like to use an X-12 system but have no idea which Nut to get that will fit the dropouts. I've tried searching but haven't found any clear answer.
    The axle type you need is Shimano E-thru. Available many places. One of the nicest is the DT Swiss RWS (DT Swiss RWS E-Thru Alloy | Chain Reaction Cycles)

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    More recent full-suspension bikes have raised the bar for rear-triangle stiffness. The combination of Boost, aluminum, and one-piece stays is immensely stiff. However, when I compared my CS-036 to a high-dollar Trek of similar vintage with carbon two-piece stays and the same geometry, there wasn't much difference in flex. I do notice it a bit when I'm in the saddle and the rear shock is compressed, but I don't think it's a limiting factor for XC riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sixstroke View Post
    The IP-036 Seems to be the flavor in this thread, but how do you guys feel about this one?

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    This will be my first DS bike. I ride AM and I'm pretty big, coming in at 225lbs.

    Thanks for any information!
    Stay away from these.
    A friend has one, very poorly put together. I've got a FM036, so I'm no China 29er hater, but it's a bit of a dog. The pivots a junk it pedal bobs like anything. The 70HTA is crazy, he runs a 140mm fork and it's just stupid.

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    Does anyone know what the minimum Q factor cranks that will work ok (without smashing into stays) on the 036 frames?

    Would an XTR M9000 race cranks with a 158mm Q factor work, for example...or am I dreaming?

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    Q158 would most likely clear, I think I saw one build a year or two back that used a Q156. However, you will not have but a few millimeters clearance between the crank arm and the chainstay, not to mention the heals of your shoes may also be close to rubbing. Although you may be able space out your pedals with some washers, or get longer spindles, to help your shoes clear.

    Any reason why you don't want to go with a Q168 crank?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epic_Dude View Post
    Q158 would most likely clear, I think I saw one build a year or two back that used a Q156. However, you will not have but a few millimeters clearance between the crank arm and the chainstay, not to mention the heals of your shoes may also be close to rubbing. Although you may be able space out your pedals with some washers, or get longer spindles, to help your shoes clear.

    Any reason why you don't want to go with a Q168 crank?
    I'm a roadie (Don't hate me!!) and often use the 29er for interval training in bad weather. Doing long climbs and intervals feels a bit weird with the wider Q factor. But im currently using XT M8000 cranks have a 176mm Q factor. Maybe 168 would be close enough

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