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    Quote Originally Posted by tskubi View Post
    I have 5mm left for each side between the frame and my ardent 2.25 @ 1,4b
    tskubi, what did you need to mount your shock to your frame? Or did all the necessary mounting hardware come with your frame? Was it cheap plastic parts or can you buy better stuff online?

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    The 7007 does fit 29er, its on their website, cad drawings and on their invoice.
    The 9007 has the brakes mounted in the seatstay which I would disagree unless I see someone that has the frame and confirms no flex in the seatstay with the travel.
    Also the 9007 accepts larger chainrings as they probably squeezed a bit of the chainstay and that might lead to less space for larger tires.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sissypants View Post
    The descriptions of M7007 and M9007 are very confusing on their website, but if I remember correctly, the agent at Pro-Mance told me M7007 is not compatible with 29" while M9007 is designed for 29" and that there was a real difference in the rear triangle design. A little bit head-scratching, but why not just play it safe and get the M9007? I believe they have boost and non-boost options available for both models. Ask about the details, and I'd only get what is in stock, otherwise you'll be waiting a while.
    My previous reply was in regards to this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sissypants View Post
    How's your build looking? I ordered the SL version on January 31 from Pro-Mance and just got a picture from the agent today. Ready to send out! It took longer because of the Chinese new year holiday in February, paint decal order, and on-demand manufacturing. But it should be lighter. Can't wait! Good deal at $800 all said and done (frame, shipping, painting, fees).Attachment 1192018.
    Have you received your frame yet ? Haven't seen you posting in a while, looks like you received, built and went for a really long ride.

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    I got my bike completely built up on Saturday and have only managed to get in one short ride so far. I'll photograph and write up an initial review tonight and post here. All first impressions are very positive. Weight was 20.9 pounds with Maxxis Ikon 29x2.25" tires. Total build cost ~$3500 from new or lightly used parts online. It's a rocket!

    In regards to your question about the brake mount on the seat stay, it makes routing awkward, as the internal routing port is quite far down the side of the chain stay towards the axle. Apart from looking awkward, however, I haven't noticed any changes to suspension feel or any flexing in the seat stay beyond normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sissypants View Post
    I got my bike completely built up on Saturday and have only managed to get in one short ride so far. I'll photograph and write up an initial review tonight and post here. All first impressions are very positive. Weight was 20.9 pounds with Maxxis Ikon 29x2.25" tires. Total build cost ~$3500 from new or lightly used parts online. It's a rocket!

    In regards to your question about the brake mount on the seat stay, it makes routing awkward, as the internal routing port is quite far down the side of the chain stay towards the axle. Apart from looking awkward, however, I haven't noticed any changes to suspension feel or any flexing in the seat stay beyond normal.
    I thought you had ordered the version with the brake mounted in the chainstay. That's the one I ordered.

    Before building did the rear triangle moved freely ? If yes then there should not be any flex. On the M06 for example it does not move freely. The seatstay act as a spring.

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    I finished my M9007 build at 21lbs and have 30 singletrack miles on it so far--absolutely amazing.

    I've reviewed it in depth in a separate post here:

    21lb FS 29er build (Pro-Mance M9007)

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    Nice build!

    Looks like the Hongfu Spark model in boost is now available. Very close geo to RC 900. 1950g. $806 shipped.

    https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2018...854379761.html

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    Wow, amazing build there! Curious how those wheels hold up.

    I ordered the Tideace FM-DH181 some two weeks ago, they needed 4 days extra prep time for the 21" model "in order to guarantee quality".
    I will share first impressions when I receive it!

    Edit, link: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/2017...02190393.html?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sissypants View Post
    tskubi, what did you need to mount your shock to your frame? Or did all the necessary mounting hardware come with your frame? Was it cheap plastic parts or can you buy better stuff online?
    Standard Dt Swiss mounting hardware.

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    How do you pick a rear shock for a single pivot bike? Don't namebrands typically put a pedaling platform on a shock for a single pivot bike? I know Trek does. How do you arrive at a suitable aftermarket shock for a single pivot bike?

    Always been confusing to me..

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    Quote Originally Posted by givemefive View Post
    How do you pick a rear shock for a single pivot bike? Don't namebrands typically put a pedaling platform on a shock for a single pivot bike? I know Trek does. How do you arrive at a suitable aftermarket shock for a single pivot bike?

    Always been confusing to me..
    Why is this confusing? I don't mean to be rude, but Trek does nothing different than get a shock, put some hardware in there, and make some proprietary changes so they can pull marketing BS over your ears. You just go get the shock, buy the hardware kits, and put the shock in there. Yeah typically namebrands will sell framesets with shocks. That's not economical for the Chinese, but compare a Trek/Scott $3500 frameset with a shock to a name-brand and a $600 frameset without a shock from China and you will never see Trek or Scott in the same light again.

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    Just curious really, You see VPP or dw-link bikes running stock shocks but a lot of the single pivot players have some proprietary bullshit on their shocks to compensate. If the stock shocks from Fox or RS or whoever give good performance then that's great..

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    Quote Originally Posted by givemefive View Post
    proprietary bullshit
    Amen. My Fox DPS Factory shock is awesome even though it lacks Brain and Nude "technology". Please keep it stupid and clothed.
    Last edited by sissypants; 05-03-2018 at 11:29 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sissypants View Post
    That is a nice looking frame! I like the specs and design and all, but I will say the folks at Tideace can be a bit sleazy. I ordered 5 hardtail frames of 2 different models in December and January that were supposedly in stock (I asked), and only just recently got 3 of them. Communication was awful, excuses were questionable, and I will not be ordering via Aliexpress from them again.

    If you want a steeper HA there are other options which are lighter as well.
    Well, I ordered the frame on 18 April, and they said they had it in stock. Only last week they sent me a picture of the frame painted and all, and it really did look good (see below). But they had many unreasonable excuses for taking so long.
    Now, they are not shipping it. I asked a Chinese friend to send them a message in Chinese, threatening to cancel me order. They replied that the frame has a break in the chain stay...
    So I am considering to open a dispute now. They really are sleazy indeed.Dual Suspension Chinese Carbon  29er-htb1dv44hnqwbknjszfxq6aplpxam.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by olivierhacking View Post
    Well, I ordered the frame on 18 April, and they said they had it in stock. Only last week they sent me a picture of the frame painted and all, and it really did look good (see below). But they had many unreasonable excuses for taking so long.
    Now, they are not shipping it. I asked a Chinese friend to send them a message in Chinese, threatening to cancel me order. They replied that the frame has a break in the chain stay...
    So I am considering to open a dispute now. They really are sleazy indeed.Click image for larger version. 

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    Nice looking frame indeed! Looks like a pleasure to ride, were it not for the "broken chainstay". DUDE WTF! No pics of the "broken chainstay"? Looks solid to me. I'd bet a lot that they lied about it being in stock just to keep your business.

    They understand you, they use Aliexpress translate (powered by Google). That's not the issue.

    How many days do you have left to open a dispute? Better keep an eye on that because after that expires they could get away without ever shipping it. If you open a dispute you will get your money back.

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    They always say it's in stock. They get your money then take their sweet time knowing it's a pita to get it back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sissypants View Post
    Nice looking frame indeed! Looks like a pleasure to ride, were it not for the "broken chainstay". DUDE WTF! No pics of the "broken chainstay"? Looks solid to me. I'd bet a lot that they lied about it being in stock just to keep your business.

    They understand you, they use Aliexpress translate (powered by Google). That's not the issue.

    How many days do you have left to open a dispute? Better keep an eye on that because after that expires they could get away without ever shipping it. If you open a dispute you will get your money back.
    They extended purchase protection so I still have 30 days of protection.
    They sent a picture of the fracture, it looks to me like paint only. Anyway, I still have enough faith in them to hold off of opening a dispute. They did make the frame after all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by olivierhacking View Post
    They extended purchase protection so I still have 30 days of protection.
    They sent a picture of the fracture, it looks to me like paint only. Anyway, I still have enough faith in them to hold off of opening a dispute. They did make the frame after all.
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    Well at least their QC department is holding it up. It would be sleazier if they just sent it out as is.

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    ican p8 build done

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    There was a very valid question about shock choice posted earlier that got blown off. Most manufacturers typically apply a specific tune to their bikes based on the suspension design properties. Is there any resource that one can reference that shows these properties for the chinese frames? The pro mance 9007 or similar bikes are very interesting to me but I am somewhat concerned that I would not enjoy the ride from a shock with the stock tune.

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    I received my frame from Tideace a week ago or so and have started building it. Right off the bat, I was impressed by the frame's structure. Also happy a wide 2.2" tire on a 30mm ID rim has plenty of clearance in the 27.5+ boost frame!

    However, there were some issues.

    1. Derailleur hanger was broken during shipping. They sent a new one, so now I need to wait 2 weeks again.

    2. No bushings included (which is OK), but with the correct ones installed (50mm bottom and 21.8mm top) there is some play in the system. Dropping the bike on the rear wheel results in some rattling. Will have to look into this.

    3. Seat angle is NOT as steep as it should be. It should be around 74* with a 100mm fork. I am running a 130mm fork, which means it should be 72-73*. But right now it is pretty much 68*. This is not good for me, as I have long legs! The saddle in the picture is quite a bit lower than it should be for me still.

    Will keep you updated.
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    Are you measuring the angle of the imaginary line that is the straight line between the centre of the BB and the centre of the saddle rail clamp?

    Or are you measuring the angle of the seatpost?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sclyde2 View Post
    Are you measuring the angle of the imaginary line that is the straight line between the centre of the BB and the centre of the saddle rail clamp?

    Or are you measuring the angle of the seatpost?
    My mistake, I measured only the seatpost itself. I will let you know the actual angle at my riding height later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Brodon View Post
    There was a very valid question about shock choice posted earlier that got blown off. Most manufacturers typically apply a specific tune to their bikes based on the suspension design properties. Is there any resource that one can reference that shows these properties for the chinese frames? The pro mance 9007 or similar bikes are very interesting to me but I am somewhat concerned that I would not enjoy the ride from a shock with the stock tune.
    Yeah this is a valid question, but here's my humble opinion FWIW. Every rider is different and has different needs, so no matter how frame-optimized kinematics may be, they are assuming every rider is the same. Ultimately it's how *YOU* want your suspension to feel. I took my setup on dozens of rides on dozens of trails while experimenting with different setups. I enjoyed the process, and ultimately was very satisfied with how my shock was working with the frame.

    I ride the Pro mance 9007 and settled in on a shock tune on my Fox Factory DPS 6.5" x 1.5" at around 160 psi, that's the way I like it and it fit my weight, style, and local trails really well. It felt just like my buddy's Spark. No worries there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by olivierhacking View Post
    2. No bushings included (which is OK), but with the correct ones installed (50mm bottom and 21.8mm top) there is some play in the system. Dropping the bike on the rear wheel results in some rattling. Will have to look into this.
    Great looking start to your build! It looks to be a sweet frame and you're definitely solid on the specs.

    I had the same issue with some play in the shocks. First off, kudos on getting the right bushing kits (first time around, I'm assuming). Took me 3 tries and $30 of wasted money in Fox bushing kits. I'll blame my naievety, not much excuse from my side.

    Anyway, I still had a very small amount of play between the Fox bushing and the pocket bolt provided with the frame. It's like it wasn't a true M5 bolt. One thing I always wanted to try was getting the M5 titanium pocket bolts from Aliexpress (Risk brand), but I sold everything off and am on to another build project. Hope you can solve that play issue, and post up when you do!

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    anyone got info in the wcb m 145 ?WCB-M-145-workswellbikes

    I wish it could fit a 34 oval chain ring (32/36 curvature)

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    Stealth dropper mod on fm036

    hi all,

    Just an update on my well worn Fm036, which i've now modded with a dropper post.

    First step was too feed plumbers tape from head tube through to seat tube exit with aid of a hoover. The bottom bracket stays put because the shell is a sealed unit and the tape passes through the hollow juncture of seat tube and downtube just above.

    Next, attach cable outer to plumbtape and pull through frame.

    I then marked out the position and profile of the pushfit grommet i was going to use to run the internal cable. Next was to drill 3 small pilot holes within the area marked progressively making them bigger with different drill bits until they merged as one.

    Smooth out the rough hole to fit your grommet and remove burrs.

    Fish out the cable outer and set up your grommet before feeding the wire cable through outer for your dropper set up. Push home grommet for a tight fit.

    Grommets are Orange Bicycles internal cable guide spare parts.

    I don't feel the frame is compromised as i've done the coin tapping for fracture test before and after a ride and all is well. This is all I have to go on plus I don't envisage this being a stressed area for a small hole.
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    Quote Originally Posted by olivierhacking View Post

    However, there were some issues.



    ) there is some play in the system. Dropping the bike on the rear wheel results in some rattling Will have to look into this.



    Will keep you updated.
    hi

    For me ,solving rattling back end of my FM036 when you lift bike up or set it down meant adding shims alongside the bushings at each shock eyelet.

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