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    Quote Originally Posted by sclyde2 View Post
    impressive weight. I am a little hesitant with the frame due to the low tyre clearance.

    I had a look at your thread. I struggled a bit with the french.

    About 9 pages in (of 22), you show a few photos of the tyre clearance. Does "RK 2.2" mean race king 2.2? Am i correct to interpret that you had a 57.7mm (measured) width tyre on there, and still had over 6mm clearance on each side? (from the tyre to the chainstays)

    the technical drawing posted in that thread showed much less tyre clearance.

    i see that your latest photos have a maxxis ardent 2.25 on the rear. what is the tyre clearance like with that tyre?


    Iam also curious about how much space it really is. For me this is the only issue why I have not order this frame.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eriklanden View Post
    Iam also curious about how much space it really is. For me this is the only issue why I have not order this frame.
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    I have 5mm left for each side between the frame and my ardent 2.25 @ 1,4b

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    First time long time...planning for a big 2018 and need to swap out my HT for a FS. I have narrowed it down to a FM058SL or a NOS Tallboy CC. I am leaning toward the FM058SL with the Monarch XX.

    Couple of items I have learned during research:
    - FM058SL now has a max tire size listed of 2.3 on the Alibaba site
    - The SL adds $100 to the frame cost
    - tskubi's thread has a lot of good data on the thru axle and pivots to support easy upgrade over stock decisions

    I haven't purchased yet, but should pull the trigger soon as I am still debating paint.

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    What frame is that?

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    Has this frame been discussed or reviewed?

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/29er-T800-F...mZfh-iybL50dKg

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    Has this frame been discussed or reviewed?

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/29er-T800-F...mZfh-iybL50dKg

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    Quote Originally Posted by anarkhos View Post
    Has this frame been discussed or reviewed?

    https://www.ebay.com/itm/29er-T800-F...mZfh-iybL50dKg
    70 degree hta. 71 degree sta. Not what I would look for in a bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by endo_alley View Post
    70 degree hta. 71 degree sta. Not what I would look for in a bike.
    That's based on an axle-to-crown height of 514mm. A 140mm fork would push that to 550-560mm slackening both angles.

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    According to my calcs a 550mm crown height would translate to a HFA of 68.26 which is kinda like the transition bandit

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    Regardless of geometry, that's an ugly frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    Regardless of geometry, that's an ugly frame.

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    Would it look better with several hundred dollars glued around the top tube?

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    BTW, why are you shilling for the Motorola DROID Turbo 2? I hope you're getting paid.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anarkhos View Post
    Would it look better with several hundred dollars glued around the top tube?
    There are plenty of Chinese carbon FS bikes that don't look terrible AND are in the same price range.

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    LOL, OK this is getting autistic. Bowing out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anarkhos View Post
    LOL, OK this is getting autistic. Bowing out.
    I would look into the Ican P-8, P-9, or A-7 before this frame. I have a P-8 built up with a 140mm Fox fork. Pretty nice bike. Rear suspension is similar to Transition suspension. This is kind of an old school 4 bar suspension.

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    Heh, these guys don't like advertising model numbers, do they?

    https://www.amazon.com/ICAN-Carbon-T...ame&th=1&psc=1

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    Looks like none of those are 29ers? I can't even see a link to the "A-7" (assuming that's supposed to be hyphenated. The others aren't, at least from what confusing blurb I'm reading).

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    This looks more appropriate, but WTF is that thing in front of the BB? Some kind of compartment?

    https://www.alibaba.com/product-deta...513233864.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by anarkhos View Post
    Looks like none of those are 29ers? I can't even see a link to the "A-7" (assuming that's supposed to be hyphenated. The others aren't, at least from what confusing blurb I'm reading).
    They are 29ers and will easily handle a 29" x 2.4" tire with plenty room to spare. I think it is S7. Sorry bout the mixup.
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    Ican P8 built with 29" x 40mm rims and 2.4" Mountain Kings.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Dual Suspension Chinese Carbon  29er-img_0784.jpg  

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    Here is another of their 29er frames. (I think Imust and Ican are the same). 67 degree hta 29er FS frame.
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Dual Suspension Chinese Carbon  29er-imust-29er.jpg  


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    Hm, someone claimed they put a 29x2.4 on a P8 frame:
    29" tires on ICAN P8 frame

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    I mailed them to see if the P9 takes 29x2.4 wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by endo_alley View Post
    Here is another of their 29er frames. (I think Imust and Ican are the same). 67 degree hta 29er FS frame.
    They appear to be allergic to using model names or numbers. So odd

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    Quote Originally Posted by anarkhos View Post
    They appear to be allergic to using model names or numbers. So odd
    https://www.ebay.com/itm/IMUST-29er-...IAAOSwjS9Zgtvw

    I don't know the model number. But a ten second search (Imust 29er frame) brought up this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by endo_alley View Post
    I don't know the model number. But a ten second search (Imust 29er frame) brought up this.
    Yeah, and the same store sells several frames, none of which have model names or numbers. Sometimes they mention travel, sometimes not. It's like they're purposely making it difficult. They may as well put all the frames in one of those claw crane games at the arcade.

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    Anyone reported on the "S7" frame (which is sold in various other web sites but without any mention of the model "S7" because reasons)?

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...m=222135463032

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    Interesting responce from ican (I asked if I could mount a 29x2.4):

    "Sorry ,for P9 frame ,max tire 29*2.3''tire ,USD590/set (frame,headset,hanger)"

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    Quote Originally Posted by anarkhos View Post
    Interesting responce from ican (I asked if I could mount a 29x2.4):

    "Sorry ,for P9 frame ,max tire 29*2.3''tire ,USD590/set (frame,headset,hanger)"
    There are plenty of posts of people using 29x 2.4" tires on the P8, P9 frame. Why don't you ask them? Or take their word for it. The S7 frame has 440mm chain stays. Similar to the P8 and P9. So if the P8, P9 can handle 29er wheels the S7 probably can also. The P8 has more BB drop. And so even after upping to 29er wheels, the P8 BB will probably be lower than the S7 BB. I don't know that for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by endo_alley View Post
    Why don't you ask them? Or take their word for it.
    Just in case you missed it: I did ask them and I posted their reply. Are you asking me to ask them a second time?

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    Quote Originally Posted by anarkhos View Post
    Just in case you missed it: I did ask them and I posted their reply. Are you asking me to ask them a second time?
    You asked owners of the frame if it will handle 29" tires/ wheels? I didn't see any P8 or P9 owners responding.

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    endo_alley, you should probably stop now. Unless your patience knows no bounds, this is only going to end in frustration...

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    Quote Originally Posted by sclyde2 View Post
    endo_alley, you should probably stop now. Unless your patience knows no bounds, this is only going to end in frustration...
    Thanks. I thought I might have misspoke earlier and wanted to clarify any obscurity. But really it doesn't matter either way. I really don't care what choice anybody makes. Others have given me good council in the past. I wanted to pass on the favor with what little I know on the subject. There are no doubt others with more knowledge than me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sclyde2 View Post
    endo_alley, you should probably stop now. Unless your patience knows no bounds, this is only going to end in frustration...
    You can say that again. Hurts my head just reading it. Endo good on you for providing the information. How are you liking the P8 btw?

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    Quote Originally Posted by R_Pierce View Post
    You can say that again. Hurts my head just reading it. Endo good on you for providing the information. How are you liking the P8 btw?
    It has really turned out to be a great bike. It took a while trying different length stems and stem spacers, and adjusting the seat forward and back a few times till I got the fit the way I like it. I like this particular application of the Horst link rear pivot. The first inch or so of travel seem to resist pedal bobbing. Once you get into the middle of the travel the suspension really opens up. The bike is light. It seems to remain reasonably stable at speed. But will turn on a dime at lower speed. The P8 is more of an all around trail bike than it is an enduro bomber. Unfortunately the bike sits in the garage for now. And out came my fat bike (and skis) for a few months.

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    Quote Originally Posted by endo_alley View Post
    You asked owners of the frame if it will handle 29" tires/ wheels? I didn't see any P8 or P9 owners responding.
    Quote Originally Posted by anarkhos View Post
    Interesting responce from ican (I asked if I could mount a 29x2.4):

    "Sorry ,for P9 frame ,max tire 29*2.3''tire ,USD590/set (frame,headset,hanger)"
    I asked ican and got a response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by anarkhos View Post
    I asked ican and got a response.
    The truth is out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adroit Rider View Post
    First time long time...planning for a big 2018 and need to swap out my HT for a FS. I have narrowed it down to a FM058SL or a NOS Tallboy CC. I am leaning toward the FM058SL with the Monarch XX.

    Couple of items I have learned during research:
    - FM058SL now has a max tire size listed of 2.3 on the Alibaba site
    - The SL adds $100 to the frame cost
    - tskubi's thread has a lot of good data on the thru axle and pivots to support easy upgrade over stock decisions

    I haven't purchased yet, but should pull the trigger soon as I am still debating paint.
    I was also interested in the FM058SL. However the guy at HongFu scared me off with what sounded like a 3 month wait for the lighter frame. Yesterday I ordered the normal non-SL frame, which they have in stock. I think there is a slight delay in the finishing (getting gloss coat), but hopefully it will be shipped out this week. When I get it, I will update this thread with weights etc, and document the build.

    I am building it up mostly with parts I already have.
    2014 Fox fork (ctd, factory, normal 46mm offset, remote)
    xx1 11 speed drivetrain
    Xtr M980 cranks, m985 pedals, m9000 brakes, CL rotors
    240s hubs, new 30mm Chinese rims. Yet to build wheels, but reckon they'll go just under 1300g (even with brass nips)

    I haven't totally decided on a shock yet. While I like remote lockouts, and quite like the hydraulic action of the xx WC fork on my 26er, I am not sold on the xx shock - it seems a Little bit old tech, and haven't found a great deal on it. Where do you think you'll get yours from? I am currently leaning towards the McLeod, which gets rave reviews, is quite cheap, but I am not sure it if is appropriate for a dedicated race bike.

    I hope to get it built up under 10kg, which is what my 26er is. While the frame is reasonably light, my wheels will be light, and it will have a lot of carbon stuff on it (bars, post, saddle rails etc), I don't like to go too light on tyres (looking at tyres around 650g), or get any of that super exotic (prohibitively expensive) stuff, so i am not super confident that it'll turn out sub-10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sclyde2 View Post
    I was also interested in the FM058SL. However the guy at HongFu scared me off with what sounded like a 3 month wait for the lighter frame. Yesterday I ordered the normal non-SL frame, which they have in stock. I think there is a slight delay in the finishing (getting gloss coat), but hopefully it will be shipped out this week. When I get it, I will update this thread with weights etc, and document the build.

    I am building it up mostly with parts I already have.
    2014 Fox fork (ctd, factory, normal 46mm offset, remote)
    xx1 11 speed drivetrain
    Xtr M980 cranks, m985 pedals, m9000 brakes, CL rotors
    240s hubs, new 30mm Chinese rims. Yet to build wheels, but reckon they'll go just under 1300g (even with brass nips)

    I haven't totally decided on a shock yet. While I like remote lockouts, and quite like the hydraulic action of the xx WC fork on my 26er, I am not sold on the xx shock - it seems a Little bit old tech, and haven't found a great deal on it. Where do you think you'll get yours from? I am currently leaning towards the McLeod, which gets rave reviews, is quite cheap, but I am not sure it if is appropriate for a dedicated race bike.

    I hope to get it built up under 10kg, which is what my 26er is. While the frame is reasonably light, my wheels will be light, and it will have a lot of carbon stuff on it (bars, post, saddle rails etc), I don't like to go too light on tyres (looking at tyres around 650g), or get any of that super exotic (prohibitively expensive) stuff, so i am not super confident that it'll turn out sub-10.
    Three months!!! Oy vey!!!

    The Monarch XX is being sold on eBay by 365cycles for $288.

    Hongfu does not make a XL in the SL or non SL even though they advertise it. I am dragging my feet because I would have to run a 110mm stem on the large...

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    Quote Originally Posted by lisacycle View Post
    You should also look at Pro-Mance. 29er*2.1'' M9007. I got a very competitive quote from them and they have "super-light" Toray 800 frames in stock.

    Nobody makes this frame in anything larger than a 19" btw, pure marketing inaccuracy.

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    evolvebikes.ca/collections/framesets/products/alpha-29-carbon-frameset

    What frame is that? Or is it one of those frames that cant be bought on ebay?

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    I recently built a size 20.5" Ican S8 and found to my great displeasure about 2mm of side-to-side play in all of the pivot bearings on the frame. I disassembled them and found that instead of Loctite, they were secured with c-clip springs.

    I've never seen, heard of, or read about c-clips being used to hold suspension pivot bearings into a frame. Unfortunately, the bike is in the shop, so I don't have any pictures at the moment. Has anyone ever experienced this with a frame? I've browsed every build thread I can find, but everyone else's bearings seem to be properly installed in their frames.
    I decided to go with the S8 based on the geometry and other users' positive experiences with their P8 frames, which seems to be as close to a trail bike as the major Chinese manufacturers produce.

    I had my local shop loctite the bearings into the frame, but that has only solved about 75% of the flex in the back end of the bike. It's also interesting that KHS is selling the S8 as a "Team 29 FS." TEAM 29 FS - KHS Bicycles I wonder if their frames have this problem. Other than the weird back end looseness, the bike rides great and absolutely rips downhill. This frame is certainly one of the most progressive XC bikes on the market at the moment.

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    I rode my P8 all last fall with no bearing problems. Very tight. In fact the suspension is very quiet so far. No squeaking, creaking, or clicking the way other bikes sometimes do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by endo_alley View Post
    I rode my P8 all last fall with no bearing problems. Very tight. In fact the suspension is very quiet so far. No squeaking, creaking, or clicking the way other bikes sometimes do.
    what do you think if 150mm fork with 29 wheels on p8? you have 140? what is you head angle?

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    Quote Originally Posted by panzer103 View Post
    evolvebikes.ca/collections/framesets/products/alpha-29-carbon-frameset

    What frame is that? Or is it one of those frames that cant be bought on ebay?
    Thats an Ican P9. It can be bought directly from Ican.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _boo View Post
    what do you think if 150mm fork with 29 wheels on p8? you have 140? what is you head angle?

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    It would be just fine. Ill measure my HA here in a minute on my P8 with a 140mm travel fork. Give me a few minutes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by _boo View Post
    what do you think if 150mm fork with 29 wheels on p8? you have 140? what is you head angle?

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    Mine on a plus tire with a 140mm travel fork is a measured 67.8 degrees at static height. I am hoping to put an 18mm spacer under the bearings on the steerer tube to get it a little slacker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R_Pierce View Post
    Mine on a plus tire with a 140mm travel fork is a measured 67.8 degrees at static height. I am hoping to put an 18mm spacer under the bearings on the steerer tube to get it a little slacker.
    thanks. so i assume 150mm fork would give me 67 degrees. may be a bit less with 200x57 rear shock so i'll get around 135 rear and 150 front. hope the frame will handle this

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    Quote Originally Posted by _boo View Post
    thanks. so i assume 150mm fork would give me 67 degrees. may be a bit less with 200x57 rear shock so i'll get around 135 rear and 150 front. hope the frame will handle this

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    Im running the same travel shock in the back as you are. And I weighed in at about 300 lbs last year and rode this bike all year without a single issue. So based on my experience I dont think you will have an ounce of issue!

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    Quote Originally Posted by _boo View Post
    what do you think if 150mm fork with 29 wheels on p8? you have 140? what is you head angle?

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    I am not sure of the head angle. I have a 140mm front fork, and offset bushings in the shock to decrease the shock eye to eye down about 5mm or so. Probably a little slacker than 68 degree specification of the frame. It rides nice as an all around trail bike. I am sure the difference between a 140mm fork and a 150mm fork will not be night and day. And I am sure the bike will handle it. If I was to with a 150mm in the front, I would use a 200 x 57mm shock in the rear to increase the rear travel by 3/4 an inch or so. Bike can handle it, even with 29" wheels.

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    Thanks for the input, i will use 200x57 rear for sure, but regarding the fork still hesitating between 150 and 140

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    140mm fork seems fairly well balanced for the bike. If you want to go big, maybe another choice is to consider the P-9. But if you want to put a 150mm fork on this bike I am sure it will handle it. As long as you are ok with a bike that has a lot more front than rear travel. It never bothered me that much. The BB height is low on this frame. So a slightly taller fork won't get your BB height too far out of whack. Main thing is it will slacken the seat tube angle a little.

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    Has anyone ordered from icancycling.com? Is it a reputable site or should i contact icanbikes.com? The P8 (27.5+ boost Carbon) looks like it will work for a nice 29 xc/trail with all the parts I already have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 96Turner View Post
    Has anyone ordered from icancycling.com? Is it a reputable site or should i contact icanbikes.com? The P8 (27.5+ boost Carbon) looks like it will work for a nice 29 xc/trail with all the parts I already have.
    Contact them through icanbikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R_Pierce View Post
    Contact them through icanbikes.

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    i bought from icancycling.com no problems at all. fast replies on all my questions. and you can negotiate the price. ask for a discount.

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    Which model is for XC and a full suspension 29'er?

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    Quote Originally Posted by J_Bone View Post
    Which model is for XC and a full suspension 29'er?

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    There are a lot of them. What are you looking for, geometry-wise?
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    I'm looking for XC, not an all mountain. Something with 120mm of rear travel and locks out good.

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    There are many. Check out the Ican P8 or the XM carbon speed FS27.

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    Has your experience with the FM058 frame been positive so far? Is there any strange flex or play in the bearing assemblies or under hard pedaling? I am considering Hongfu's updated FM258, but want to be sure that the frame won't have any small issues. The Ican S8 I own has too much flex around the pivots from poor manufacturing tolerances.

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    Whos got a xmcarbon fs29? It says 100mm rear, and front, looks like a scott spark with the upsode down shock, however it says 66 head tube angle. I could see if it was the 120 rear. Does this seem right, or a typo?

    http://www.xmcarbonspeed.cn/full-sus...ame_p0090.html

    They have a 110 rear, 120 front with 68 that reminds me of a Camber when i look at it. I would think it would have the slacker hta than the 100mm bike.

    http://www.xmcarbonspeed.cn/29er-ful...ber_p0215.html

    Im going to ask Peter if its a typo on the fs29, is anybody riding one of these?

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