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    Dream Bike: Carbon or Titanium?

    What is your Dream Bike frame made of?

    I am dreaming about my next bike, and I am debating between a Titanium or a super light Carbon setup.

    Of course 29er (and SS).

    Titanium build would be focused on durability (including finish): Titanium Frame, Bars, Seat Post, Arch or Flow wheels

    Carbon build would be focused on ligthweight: Carbon frame, Carbon most everything, Stans Race wheels or 355s, Light tires, 17.X lbs target.

    Anyway, if you were to build a dream bike, would that be Titanium or Carbon?
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    Theoretically Ti, but judging by many of the Ti owners, the dream bike eventually ceases to be a dream and they move on. Now, they may move on to a a newer Ti bike ... but still.

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    I just made this decision and am waiting for my 29er ss eriksen. for endurance and xc usage/durability,comfort/ride quality I decided ti was better for me... also custom geometry i think is essential for it to quality as a "dream" bike. carbon was available to me at the same value.

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    I just went Ti. I don't care if carbon is lighter, stiffer, stronger etc. I have wanted Ti forever and carbon just doesn't scratch that itch.

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    Titanium!

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    Why do you have Steel and Cromoly?...That's like putting 3/2.5 Ti and 6/4 Ti

    I vote True Temper OX Platinum which is CroMoVan Steel

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker72
    Why do you have Steel and Cromoly?...That's like putting 3/2.5 Ti and 6/4 Ti
    I did not think (and I don't know much). I thought Cromoly was the low grade steel used in Walmart style bikes.

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    I'd say Ti but I'll be going with Scandium/Carbon (Selma) for the better price.

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    carbon, because it has come a long way since it's early days.

    Cannondale, Niner, maybe a new On-One...something along those lines.

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    I tend to think of "dream bikes" as bikes I will have for the rest of my life. For that reason, titanium would be my choice. Carbon doesn't have that longevity and steel isn't as light. Although steel would be a good choice. Aluminum is good too, but there is nothing "cool" about aluminum. You have to be able to brag about your dream bike, right?? Nobody cares about aluminum. My soda can is aluminum.

    BUT I would paint some of it because I think plain old titanium is boring. I like a little color to break up the titanium.

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    I've finally had my first ti bike (On One 29er) after more than 15years of riding mountainbikes. I must say the wait has been really worth it.

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    Ti would be for my dream bike but steel is what I will probably buy when I go with a custom build.

    Carbon does not do it for me on a mtn bike. I know it is durable but a "dream bike " would be something I would like to keep for years and years. Carbon has less of a shelf life than Ti.
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    I have Ti coming and am looking at a CF bike too for next years race season.
    Absolute no compromise dream bike would have to be a Blacksheep Eon with Faith fork, Moots stem and seatpost and Jones H-bar like this one that belongs to my friend Shannon.

    IMO this is one of the most beautiful bikes I have seen.


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    Ti for sure. Carbon just doesn't do it for me. There may be others out there like me, and as get further on through the years I may get rarer, but I've never ridden carbon, and honestly don't have an urge to. No real reason I guess. Just not a priority.
    Just a regular guy.

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    Scandium
    Sit and spin my ass...

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    Damn..gotta luv the bike porn. That bike is SCHWEEEET.

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    Hmm...I like Aluminum. It's stiff, it's light, it's metal. Perfect.

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    Why not bamboo? Light, strong, resilient and organic!

    Calfee Design out of La Selva, CA, ftr.
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    Damn... that blacksheep is amazing. Just amazing...
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    Titanium!


    I've been riding this Ti frame for the past few months since my Jet9 has been recalled. I ride this and my friends superfly back to back. They both have their positives and negatives, but the Ti is by far smoother while the Superfly is stiffer. This Ti bike is 22.33lbs as it sits and my friends superfly is 23.3 which is all stock execpt for a wheelset swap for 355s/kings. If superfly had the same build as the Ti frame it would be about .5lbs lighter. My friend on the Superfly loves to swap as he prefers the handling of the Ti frame especially while climbing steep sections.
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    Quote Originally Posted by flafonta
    I did not think (and I don't know much). I thought Cromoly was the low grade steel used in Walmart style bikes.
    Actually, Walmart bikes are usually Aluminum but if they are steel, they are Hi Tensile (usually 1020) which is LOWER grade than CroMoly steel.

    High end steel uses many different alloying metals such as Chromium, Molybdenum, Nickel, and Vanadium to name a few.

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    I've owned a bunch of Ti bikes over the years. I love Ti for the looks and its longevity, but realized that my carbon road bike rides a whole lot better than my Ti road bike. Despite curved seat stays the Ti frame beats me up and has not nearly the bottom bracket stiffness the carbon frame has. My next MTB frame will be carbon.

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    Ti would be my dream bike, steel or aluminum is realistic and what I have.

    I will most likely never own a carbon bike.
    I only ride bikes to fill the time when I'm not skiing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OldHouseMan
    Ti would be my dream bike, steel or aluminum is realistic and what I have.

    I will most likely never own a carbon bike.
    Ditto, although I may someday own Ti.

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    My head says Ti, my wallet says steel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chumbox
    My head says Ti, my wallet says steel.
    My head says Ti, my wallet says steel, and my wife says you don't need another f'ing bike!

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    I'll repeat the idea that a dream bike might be one that you own longer than the usual. But even w/ that in mind it's like trying to find a static solution to a dynamic problem.

    No matter what bike you dream of (even swoopy bent Ti w/ colored cufflinks) it will one day be old. You might still own it, and love it, but it's human nature (well the nature of us consumers anyway) to start dreaming of something else.
    The BlackSheep might be the Euro Supermodel but you still may think of cheating on it.

    Me though? When I dream, it's more Ti. I have a Ti geared and SS and absolutly love them. I try other bikes from time to time but man I LOVE getting back on the ride I like.
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    Jeff Jones. I don't know why?
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    What about bone... lol




    Really though, I think mine would be steel. Something about a RetroTech or maybe even a Groovy that gets me all warm and fuzzy. Maybe because its because I've ridden a Retrotech and still have dreams about it.

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    Definately Ti.

    Lets face it, Carbon bikes are throw-away bikes.

    After a carbon bike has been used for a couple of years, it's basically worthless. Zero appeal.

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    While side-by-side NEW Ti vs Carbon bikes have near same bling appeal, try them 2, 4, 6, etc years used, and repeat the side by side excersise. The Ti endures. The carbon, not so much.
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    IMO; Carbon is for road bikes. Ti seems to be a good fit for mountain.


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    Make mine Ti, though the 953 stainless is pretty appealing. Thing is, I like carbon, too. And my experience with CF has been very positive - had a Trek CG hardtail for 8 yrs with no issues. But my dream bike involves custom geo - is anyone doing this in CF for MTB? Of course, even with that option I'd probably go Ti.

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    IMO those black sheep/jones bendy bikes are the most hideous things ever to be ridden by a middle aged dentist.

    My vote is alloy. Light, cheap, strong, crash-proof. IMO a bike is a tool, like running shoes, not jewellery.

    Other than that, i'd go carbon, for a racing bike. Carbon is pretty good these days as far as taking hits.

    If it was just a trail bike, probably steel, since it rhymes with real, or Ti, since bike people go "oohh" when they see it.

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    Definately Ti!

    Carbon might be good for a superlight race bike, or for a bike that will be replaced in a year or 2, but that is about it. Carbon is just too fragile for real mountainbiking. Sure it's strong and stiff and all that, but it will still break if dropped the wrong way on a rock.

    My definition of a Dream Bike is one with custom geometry and options and one that the rider will still want to ride 5 years down the line. The whole custom experience just cannot be had in carbon. I have been riding my dream bike for the last 1.5 years, and yes, I still dream about it! I made sure it was versitale enough to run geared, SS, or IGH, rigid or with front suspension, rack mounts for touring, etc.:
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    Custom Steel Waltworks 29er, more money leftover than with Ti for good parts (no ridiculous bling, just great function) and money to ride it hard and far bikepacking in cool places.

    And a Ti Fatback tricked out!!

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    Ti frame with a healthy dash of carbon parts for me

    Yes - I do own Singular Cycles

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    Quote Originally Posted by Singular
    Ti frame with a healthy dash of carbon parts for me
    WHOA!!

    I liked your frames before but now you just BLEW MY MIND!!

    I would still take a steel frame of yours or OS bikes also...my two fav builders right now!
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    Quote Originally Posted by jbflyfshr
    WHOA!!

    I liked your frames before but now you just BLEW MY MIND!!

    I would still take a steel frame of yours or OS bikes also...my two fav builders right now!
    I love the frame...but my mind is not blown by the build. The term Blown or a version of it does apply though - to my aesthic palate.

    I am pretty firm (in my own preference/guidelines) that one does not put Alum hardware on a Ti frame. Further, one minimizes mixing of Ti and Carbon on the same bike. This bike breaks both of those rules to live by.

    Frame is very nice though, I'd have it in a second. Just with a different build.
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    Ti, for many of the reasons already mentioned:
    -Durability: mountain biking is about being out in the elements. No frame material is as impervious to the elements as titanium.
    -Customization: you don't see many carbon frames like this:
    ''It seems like a bit of a trend, everyone trying to make things longer over the last couple of years" Sam Hill

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    Ti would be sweet, but....I could'nt believe the weight of the Moots Mooto XZ tested in MBA Sept 09. That bike had full XTR and slightly heavy wheels and a $3425 frame price. 28lbs!

    How about something like the Misfit Psycles diSSent (Fe) - weighs 3oz less than the Al version and is made of True Temper OX Platinum. I spun one around Sea Otter but did not get to go on a ride with it.

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    Scandium... very happy with my dream bike, Niner AIR 9. We'll have to see about the CARBON AIR9 though, at least demo one to see how it feels.

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    [QUOTE=ncj01]
    I am pretty firm (in my own preference/guidelines) that one does not put Alum hardware on a Ti frame. rules to live by.

    or BB7s

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    [QUOTE=Padre]
    Quote Originally Posted by ncj01
    I am pretty firm (in my own preference/guidelines) that one does not put Alum hardware on a Ti frame. rules to live by.

    or BB7s
    Or BB7's... Makes me wonder when I saw a set of those on a Jones... taking retro hipster to a new level?

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    Quote from above:
    I am pretty firm (in my own preference/guidelines) that one does not put Alum hardware on a Ti frame. Further, one minimizes mixing of Ti and Carbon on the same bike. This bike breaks both of those rules to live by.


    How do you avoid mixing these parts? Seems like most pedals are alum, cranks, hubs. Then you throw on the non-mixing of carbon and I don't know what handlebar you run. Guess you seek out a custom flexy Ti bar that looks like a Star Wars fighter ship.
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    [QUOTE=Padre]
    Quote Originally Posted by ncj01
    I am pretty firm (in my own preference/guidelines) that one does not put Alum hardware on a Ti frame. rules to live by.

    or BB7s
    What do you run for cranks and bearings? Balls of steel or ceramic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Chicken Bones
    Quote from above:
    I am pretty firm (in my own preference/guidelines) that one does not put Alum hardware on a Ti frame. Further, one minimizes mixing of Ti and Carbon on the same bike. This bike breaks both of those rules to live by.


    How do you avoid mixing these parts? Seems like most pedals are alum, cranks, hubs. Then you throw on the non-mixing of carbon and I don't know what handlebar you run. Guess you seek out a custom flexy Ti bar that looks like a Star Wars fighter ship.
    check out his profile ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wish I Were Riding
    My head says Ti, my wallet says steel, and my wife says you don't need another f'ing bike!
    +1 Sound very familiar!
    If money was no object, TI. Realistically it would be a steel ByStickel. For the time being, it's going to have to be my new, unbuilt OS Blackbuck frame.

    Carbon is nice, but you can go TI for the same money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ncj01
    I love the frame...but my mind is not blown by the build. The term Blown or a version of it does apply though - to my aesthic palate.

    I am pretty firm (in my own preference/guidelines) that one does not put Alum hardware on a Ti frame. Further, one minimizes mixing of Ti and Carbon on the same bike. This bike breaks both of those rules to live by.

    Frame is very nice though, I'd have it in a second. Just with a different build.
    I completely agree with you! While it's impossible to eliminate aluminum completely, it should be minimized. Carbon should definately be eliminated from a Ti build. I have the following parts in Ti on my build:

    Frame
    Fork
    Crankset
    Chainring
    Cog
    Seatpost
    Seat rails
    Seatpost clamp
    Pedal spindles
    handlebar
    Headset spacers
    And a stem in on the way.

    Yes I have a problem!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmilliron
    IMO; Carbon is for road bikes. Ti seems to be a good fit for mountain.
    Then your fork choice is the definition of puzzling.

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    Ti all the way for me, have done the steel and scandium so had to have one, call me a luddite but still not convinced about carbon for a mountain bike frame.


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