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    Dirt drops - Soma's take anyway

    Was perusing the handlebar thread by FatWeasel, Handlebar options..., he posted a link to Soma's site so I popped on over - and behold - they have bars 'like Midges' with more length in the drops. EXACTLY what the Midges needed.

    Called the Junebug. 31.8 clamp too - good if you don't need a lot of rise but the bad if you've invested in a nice riser stem and now can't use it.


    What it is:

    Drop bar designed with off road use in mind. Roomier in the drops than the On-One Midge. Shallower drop than WTB Dirt Drop. Slightly narrower than both. 31.8mm only.
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    Meh! They lost me when the text said "...narrower than both." Narrower than a Midge? That isn't good.

    I like the longer drop section, that is good, but the fact that these are narrower and come in white , (and from Soma) lead me to believe that this is more "urban hipster" than off road drop bar.

    It probably will work for smaller riders though, so it isn't a total miscue.

    Keep waiting GLG, there is something in the works from a well known off road drop bar designer that will address all of our concerns and be off road specific. Coming soon...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Meh! They lost me when the text said "...narrower than both." Narrower than a Midge? That isn't good.

    I like the longer drop section, that is good, but the fact that these are narrower and come in white , (and from Soma) lead me to believe that this is more "urban hipster" than off road drop bar.

    It probably will work for smaller riders though, so it isn't a total miscue.

    Keep waiting GLG, there is something in the works from a well known off road drop bar designer that will address all of our concerns and be off road specific. Coming soon...........
    56cm is still pretty wide yo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Meh! They lost me when the text said "...narrower than both." Narrower than a Midge? That isn't good.
    Agreed.

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    Keep waiting...
    How much longer?!


    Interesting additions to the lineup over at Soma. Very familiar additions.

    I like Soma and I'd consider a few of their bars, but in this case, I'm gonna keep waiting on Brant. Hopefully not much longer. I wish he'd come along and give us a bit of a hint.

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    If Soma starting making really high rise 31.8 stems to go with it'd work great. Even on my Peregrine, which is designed for drops, the fork is uncut and I have a 135mmx35d stem on it. For this type of bike a little narrower would be just fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Schmucker
    If Soma starting making really high rise 31.8 stems to go with it'd work great. Even on my Peregrine, which is designed for drops, the fork is uncut and I have a 135mmx35d stem on it. For this type of bike a little narrower would be just fine.
    That's one of the problems I see, most of the high rise stems I'm tracking are 25.4.


    Quote Originally Posted by GuitarTed
    Meh! They lost me when the text said "...narrower than both." Narrower than a Midge? That isn't good.

    I like the longer drop section, that is good, but the fact that these are narrower and come in white , (and from Soma) lead me to believe that this is more "urban hipster" than off road drop bar.

    It probably will work for smaller riders though, so it isn't a total miscue.

    Keep waiting GLG, there is something in the works from a well known off road drop bar designer that will address all of our concerns and be off road specific. Coming soon...........
    True - little narrower is not good, though I'm thinking the longer drops might make up for that and this might be killer on a Crosscheck SS build or Peregrine I'm coveting . Oh, I'm waiting....

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    # Width: 58cm at the drops
    # Reach: 64.5mm
    # Drop: 112mm
    # Center section: 375mm

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    - Width 56cm
    - Drop: 112mm
    - Reach: 65mm
    - Center section: 340mm
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    Yep....

    Quote Originally Posted by Schmucker
    If Soma starting making really high rise 31.8 stems to go with it'd work great. Even on my Peregrine, which is designed for drops, the fork is uncut and I have a 135mmx35d stem on it. For this type of bike a little narrower would be just fine.
    Or frame makers can just spec longer head tubes. When was the last time you saw a non-racer CX bike _without_ a truckload of spacers under the stem?

    Salsa makes a nice 135d in a 25.4 and a 31.8 in a 115d but no 135d in a 31.8. I don't get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J
    Or frame makers can just spec longer head tubes. When was the last time you saw a non-racer CX bike _without_ a truckload of spacers under the stem?

    Salsa makes a nice 135d in a 25.4 and a 31.8 in a 115d but no 135d in a 31.8. I don't get it.
    It really bugs me that I have to go custom just to get a long head-tube these days.

    Hear, Hear! I have 2" of spacers and a 35 degree stem on my La Cruz and the tops are still an inch lower than the saddle. Seems to me that bikes targeted at non-racers should be designed so that a 0" drop is achievable using common parts. Of course I'm sounding dangerously like a retro-grouch (plus being off-topic), so I'll shut up now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CLONG
    I'm gonna keep waiting on Brant. Hopefully not much longer. I wish he'd come along and give us a bit of a hint.
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    It's called the Luxy bar, and it'll be here in a couple of months.

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    Please someone start making taller head tubes so my bikes can stop looking like this:



    (yes, the frame is a bit small, but it's the biggest (60 cm) they made at the time. I just bought a 62cm Crosscheck, and its headtube is only 20mm taller.)


    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J
    Or frame makers can just spec longer head tubes. When was the last time you saw a non-racer CX bike _without_ a truckload of spacers under the stem?

    Salsa makes a nice 135d in a 25.4 and a 31.8 in a 115d but no 135d in a 31.8. I don't get it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brant
    It's called the Luxy bar, and it'll be here in a couple of months.

    Oop, I meant to say, "I wish he'd give us a sweet pic."

    Thanks, Brant. I can't wait.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Keep waiting GLG, there is something in the works from a well known off road drop bar designer that will address all of our concerns and be off road specific. Coming soon...........
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    Quote Originally Posted by ink1373
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    Well, like Brant posted- it'll be here in a couple months. Called the "Luxy Bar". (Or whatever it ends up being).

    There is another one just around the corner ready to come out too. (Different company)

    Yes: Two off road drop bar designs by the end of summer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Well, like Brant posted- it'll be here in a couple months. Called the "Luxy Bar". (Or whatever it ends up being).

    There is another one just around the corner ready to come out too. (Different company)

    Yes: Two off road drop bar designs by the end of summer.
    Got to be Salsa?
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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenLightGo
    Got to be Salsa?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    It makes sense.
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    My buddy is getting the Somas rather than the WTBs because they're narrower, he's not that big.
    I'm using the WTBs on a SS CX and I love them.
    The widest drop bar that I'd ever used was 44cm and the 60cm width felt funny at first but after using them a while I could never go back.
    One of the best things about bars like these is how much easier it is to brake in the drops.
    Also, how easy it is to climb in the drops.
    One criticism I have of the WTB and Soma bars is the way the bars taper in the handlebar clamp area. It limits the placement of cyclocross brake levers. They end up being farther apart than I'd like them and I find I can't use them as much as before.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy
    Please someone start making taller head tubes so my bikes can stop looking like this:



    (yes, the frame is a bit small, but it's the biggest (60 cm) they made at the time. I just bought a 62cm Crosscheck, and its headtube is only 20mm taller.)
    Some people are (check the extension above the top tube), but sometimes still it isn't enough for some people....

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    Quote Originally Posted by somacisco
    Some people are (check the extension above the top tube), but sometimes still it isn't enough for some people....
    Wow. And that's just to get the tops of the bars level with the saddle, or maybe +1". There's a guy around here the commutes on a CrossCheck with a way sketchy homemade stem extender. The thing is like a foot long, and gets the drops to a very upright almost cruise-rish position.

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    Just an opinion here, but the problem with the Pake' and Gunnar shown isn't so much the head tube as it is the stem selection for drop bars that pretty much sucks today.

    Take a look at the stems being used here: Both instances are stems meant for a much lower handle bar position, not for drop bars.

    Here's a great thread on the subject: Voodoo Nakisi is a go for production? Looks like it...

    Check it out, the subject of the drop bar design and proper stems is discussed fully there.
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    So when Salsa comes out with their new drop bar, will we see some MTB drop-bar specific stems as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by the_eleven
    So when Salsa comes out with their new drop bar, will we see some MTB drop-bar specific stems as well?
    Salsa solved their issue, (or potential issue) in regards to the Fargo by designing the Fargo with a severely sloping top tube and a bit shorter top tube in relation to an El Mariachi, or any of their other rigs. Will they do a stem that is high rise? An "Erecto-stem"? No- I think the 40 degree rise stems that Salsa and Dimension sells through QBP is enough for a Fargo. Maybe I'm wrong, but I think that is all you are going to see from them.

    Now a horizontal top tube frame, like a VooDoo Nakisi, a Surly CrossCheck, or Vassago's Fisticuff needs a really erect stem. VooDoo is doing one, which will be available through BTI. I do not know if there will be different lengths or rises.

    Of course, a custom stem is always an option here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by justinb
    Wow. And that's just to get the tops of the bars level with the saddle, or maybe +1". There's a guy around here the commutes on a CrossCheck with a way sketchy homemade stem extender. The thing is like a foot long, and gets the drops to a very upright almost cruise-rish position.
    The top of the bars are way above the saddle (at least 3"). The top cap on the steerer clamp is saddle height.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the_eleven
    So when Salsa comes out with their new drop bar, will we see some MTB drop-bar specific stems as well?
    I use a Salsa Moto Ace S.U.L. 130 degree (40d) x 135 on my Big Mama with 10mm of spacers to set the bar top level with the saddle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy
    Please someone start making taller head tubes so my bikes can stop looking like this:



    (yes, the frame is a bit small, but it's the biggest (60 cm) they made at the time. I just bought a 62cm Crosscheck, and its headtube is only 20mm taller.)
    Word! Starting to sound like Grant Pederson of Rivendell here, but that's my pet peeve with modern frames as well. Think the biggest reason why I got my D440 is, it's the only bike I've gotten on and ridden that already had the grips level with the saddle, without having to resort to ridiculous riser stems, or add on's, or the like, and that with a steerer tube cut to a sane length. It just felt...right from the get go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Doggity
    Word! Starting to sound like Grant Pederson of Rivendell here, but that's my pet peeve with modern frames as well. Think the biggest reason why I got my D440 is, it's the only bike I've gotten on and ridden that already had the grips level with the saddle, without having to resort to ridiculous riser stems, or add on's, or the like, and that with a steerer tube cut to a sane length. It just felt...right from the get go.
    Again, if you draw an imaginary line, using the top tube, to get rid of all the spacers on that Gunnar you would lose all of your standover height. If you extended the head tube, it would look just as goofy. So, either way, the problem in this specific example isn't the headtube, it isn't the top tube, it is the stem that was chosen to do this job. It is the wrong stem.

    Going back to the discussion on the thread I referenced in my last post, there are two ways to accomodate drop bars for off roading. (Something Grant Pederson isn't doing much of anymore, at least in terms of mountain biking as we are referencing to it.) You can design the frame to accomodate the bars, or use a really upright stem. Some frames work with 40 degree rise stems. Others, like this Gunnar, really should have a custom stem.

    Rivendell's bar height is achieved by the designers insistance that you don't need much standover clearance on a road bike, (true) and by use of Nitto's fine quill stem which can be adjusted up or down easily. This combination of parts and frame design/fit philosophy is why Rivendell's bikes can get the drop bar up so high. (bike pic: Grant Pederson's personal rig. Courtesy of the Rivendell site)
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    Sounded great up until "31.8 only"

    Who in the hell thinks "31.8 only" is a good idea? A big, burly DH specific bar I can understand, but for a drop bar?

    Most people still use 25.4 with no reason to change, and besides you can always shim-up a 25.4 to work in a 31.8 stem
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    I am now using a stretched up CInelli bar. I would not recommend this for anyone (safety hazzard). And certantly not when you want to take it offroad. I have been using it for three years and am looking to replace it. I build this frame with a longer headtube to accomodate flared drops.

    http://www.flickr.com/photos/3398426...7612094197267/



    The Soms might do the job. I have a Midge and just find it not deep enough. Bars like the NItto and Ritchey (bio...something) are just to narrow.

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    I'd like to see a sloping top tube version of my Gunnar: I'd be willing to give up some standover to lose some spacers. But yes, I could also use a taller stem. Actually, Riv's Sam Hillborne frame looks pretty good. Here it is in a 60cm size:



    But I've had the Gunnar so long, it would be hard to part with for a new frame. Plus the money thing. Then again, it would be nice to have that quill stem for easy adjustment, and since my Gunnar is my child seat bike now... but I may wait and see if Riv comes out with a Taiwan version of the A Homer Hilsen. Caliper brakes would be a nice change of pace.


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    Again, if you draw an imaginary line, using the top tube, to get rid of all the spacers on that Gunnar you would lose all of your standover height. If you extended the head tube, it would look just as goofy. So, either way, the problem in this specific example isn't the headtube, it isn't the top tube, it is the stem that was chosen to do this job. It is the wrong stem.

    Going back to the discussion on the thread I referenced in my last post, there are two ways to accomodate drop bars for off roading. (Something Grant Pederson isn't doing much of anymore, at least in terms of mountain biking as we are referencing to it.) You can design the frame to accomodate the bars, or use a really upright stem. Some frames work with 40 degree rise stems. Others, like this Gunnar, really should have a custom stem.

    Rivendell's bar height is achieved by the designers insistance that you don't need much standover clearance on a road bike, (true) and by use of Nitto's fine quill stem which can be adjusted up or down easily. This combination of parts and frame design/fit philosophy is why Rivendell's bikes can get the drop bar up so high. (bike pic: Grant Pederson's personal rig. Courtesy of the Rivendell site)

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    LD stem?

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    Quote Originally Posted by brant
    LD stem?
    I bet over half the posters here have no idea what that stands for.
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    Given a photo of one I'm sure most could figure it out.

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    I bet over half the posters here have no idea what that stands for.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    I bet over half the posters here have no idea what that stands for.
    I might have another go at them. Found a few cool factories that do things I didn't know.

    I mean, my frame factory and agents - they make this - http://www.elliptigo.com/

    "Your stuff is not so crazy, Brant"...

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    Quote Originally Posted by brant
    I might have another go at them. Found a few cool factories that do things I didn't know.

    I mean, my frame factory and agents - they make this - http://www.elliptigo.com/

    "Your stuff is not so crazy, Brant"...
    Point taken.

    It would be cool to get that look again. Hopefully you can make that work out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    I bet over half the posters here have no idea what that stands for.
    I do
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    I bet over half the posters here have no idea what that stands for.
    Maybe we should start calling it an ED stem?
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    I do too. Some extra info:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NL3Roz3IOH4

    Nice tune!

    Can't wait for the new drop bars!

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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    The top of the bars are way above the saddle (at least 3"). The top cap on the steerer clamp is saddle height.
    You are probably right, but FWIW, I was also referring to the Gunnar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy
    Please someone start making taller head tubes so my bikes can stop looking like this:



    (yes, the frame is a bit small, but it's the biggest (60 cm) they made at the time. I just bought a 62cm Crosscheck, and its headtube is only 20mm taller.)
    Quill stems don't have that problem.

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