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    Custom build....

    So I have narrowed down my selection to getting a 29er and am now thinking of building something myself. My brother has been gracious enough to let me borrow his Rocky Mountain Element 5.0 for the rest of the season or until I get myself something. I am really into DIY and getting the best bang for the buck and I am now looking at building a custom 29er from different sites like Pricepoint, Unreal Cycles, Ebay, JensonUSA, BlueSkyCycling, BikeIsland, etc.

    I guess my question is, is this a wise decision?

    Here is what I have looked at building so far....
    Motobecane Fantom Trail 29er - $165
    Marzocchi 44 TST2 Air 29 Q15 - $311
    SRAM X7 Disc Group - $340
    Cliff 29 -WTB SpeedDisc with Kenda - $200

    This would leave me with stem, saddle, bb, headset, handlebars and grips (I think) with a total of $1016 so far.

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    I do have time to build this until next season so I will definitely look for deals on things. Like right now BlueSky has a set of WTB Dual Duty with Shimano Deore M525 hubs on sale for $60 each so I could get those and find a pair of Kenda/WTB/Panaracer on sale somewhere that will give me a bit more savings...

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    I've always considering building up a bike before I end up buying one "off the shelf"... even though I get parts at cost. IMO, you need to want something VERY specific, or have a ton of cash laying around to justify it. Maybe the motobecane is your dream frame, but something tells me that's not the case :P

    For example, the Trek X-Caliber comes with a fork that's around $1100 retail, for around $1500 retail... and that includes everything (it's amazing how quickly the "small" parts add up). You just can't compete with the volume prices that the big manufacturers pay. If you can find a decent deal on a previous model etc, it gets even cheaper. Then you can ride it, upgrade parts as you go.

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    If you want the best bang for your buck, I don't think this can be beat:
    http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...om29pro_SL.htm

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    bang for the buck is still gonna be buying a complete bike I think. but if you like the DIY aspect, getting all the parts and building your own bike can be rewarding so I don't want to dissuade you but in my experience it just hasn't been the cheapest route (example: last bike was a custom frame, king hubs and headset, thomson bits, etc). if you're patient maybe you could ebay some parts too. i'd also recommend learning to build wheels since you enjoy DIY. that's DEFINITELY not cost effective (time) but rewarding.

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    I guess I need to do some more thinking on this. I would enjoy the DIY portion of it and definitely have the help available between my brother and his buddies. But budget is always a concern and I know that off the bat I would not get the best parts. Maybe I will stick with the new Felt and then upgrade that slowly.

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    It is WAY cheaper to buy a bike than to piece it together unless your budget is several thousand dollars. Get into the high end everything and you won't save much if any buying a complete bike over building from a frame.

    The bike I bought this year has a $2000 retail frame cost, the entire bike including X9/X0 drivetrain, Fox F29 RL fork, XT cranks, Elixer CR brakes, DT Swiss wheelset, etc retails for $3300. $1300 for that build kit would be a STEAL. The big bike companies buy thousands and thousands of everything, they get incredible pricing doing so. You just cannot compete with that kind of buying power, not even buying used parts in most cases.

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    Well for the time being I am going to keep playing with different things on this while I wait for the Felt site to be updated with their new line-up. From what I have read, the Nine Sport will be the $599 model but comes with sub-par items (XCM V3 fork, Tektro discs, Felt branded stuff where applicable, 8-spd drivetrain) and really I see it that I would be spending $600 on a frame that I am not sure about. With my brother letting me use his back-up this gives me time to 1) save for more budget 2) try and build/fit something that will be geared for me specifically.

    Did some reading and apparently the RST M-29 fork that a lot of these frames come with from Motobecane and KHS is actually a good all around fork and have found (even on here) that some people actually like it better than the Reba. So that would save me some money buy getting the frame and fork for $385 v. frame for $165 and fork for $311....

    So with the WTB Dual Duty and Shimano Deore XT hubs for $60 from above I think I will add these Continental CST tires for starters at $15/ea. Seems like there are some people that have been impressed with them for a price/performance comparison basis.

    So that gets me to:
    Motobecane Fantom Pro 29er frame with RST M-29 fork and headset - $385
    SRAM X7 Disc Group - $340
    Shimano Deore XT Hubs with WTB Dual Duty Rims - $120
    Continental CST Tires - $30
    Pricepoint 29er Tubes - $4/ea or 5 tubes for $19
    Total so far: $894 and all that is missing is saddle, seat tube, stem, handlebars and grips.
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    Just pointing out an overlooked aspect of building your own bike. Unless you buy all your parts from one place at one time, you're going to pay $10+ shipping like what, 20 times??? $200 for a conservative estimate is a LOT just to get stuff in the mail! Just sayin...

    It might not be as much fun as building your own but the Motobecane Ti Fly Team is a SICK bike for the money and will probably cost you less than building your own "budget" aluminum bike with just so-so components. It will also most likely ride a lot better too I've never ridden Ti but I hear it's dreamy

    http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...TI_29_2010.htm

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    Didn't really read anything but the OP, so sorry if I repeat something, but that Marzocchi fork is not designed to work with that frame. It's a 140mm fork whereas that frame is built for a max of 100mm. Just make sure you look into compatibility as well when looking for stuff. Just cause it seems like a good deal doesn't necessarily mean your bike is going to ride well.

    Also, are you having a shop build this? Or will you be purchasing all of the tools to build it yourself? Factor all of those costs in before you buy too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amnesia
    Didn't really read anything but the OP, so sorry if I repeat something, but that Marzocchi fork is not designed to work with that frame. It's a 140mm fork whereas that frame is built for a max of 100mm. Just make sure you look into compatibility as well when looking for stuff. Just cause it seems like a good deal doesn't necessarily mean your bike is going to ride well.

    Also, are you having a shop build this? Or will you be purchasing all of the tools to build it yourself? Factor all of those costs in before you buy too!
    Yeah I did actually catch that hence why I changed to the RST M-29 fork that comes with it from BikeIsland. My brother has a friend that builds all their bikes and apparently is a part-time wrench at one of the local shops. I am building myself a spreadsheet (I know I am a dork) that has everything I need in it, trying to see what the final outcome would be. Again, waiting until the 1st to see what comes out on everyone's sites then will make the decision from there...

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    How do you guys feel about this combo kit (SRAM X.9 29er Build Kit) from PricePoint?? I tried building a similar setup from scratch and ended up being about $40 more with lesser equipment? Shipping is only $20 for everything and then I would be looking at $350 plus tax for the Motobecane frame with M-29 fork from Bike Island (they don't charge shipping). So comparatively I would be looking at my kit ($797.87) v. their kit ($761.21) with shipping and insurance, so my savings would be $35+.

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    have you looked at the spec list on the complete $1000 motobecane? http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...om29pro_SL.htm . Much better parts than anything else in that budget. For the DIY aspect, you can just take everything apart that came attached, and put it back together again .

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    I enjoyed specing and building my last two bikes. They were expensive though. The only thing more expensive would have been:

    1. Buying top of line Spez, Trek, etc ...
    2. Building something I didn't like and not riding it.

    I would never go through the process unless I had a chance to ride the frame/shock combination first.

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    So I think that I have decided to go with the custom build... Felt released it's new site tonight and looking at the specs of the Nine Trail I am not impressed. While I am sure that I could ride it and be happy enough I would be upgrading a lot of things comes next season. With that thought process and talking with my brother it seems that building something myself would 1) be more rewarding, and 2) be a bit more cost effective because there is no guarantee that I would have a large sum of cash to put towards the bike at one time. I will do my best to try and purchase as many items at once as possible to minimize shipping costs and will use coupons/price matching where possible but overall I am liking the build....

    Frame: Unbranded 29er Multi-speed Frameset 4130 Cro-Moly Steel BikeIsland $349.95 1 $0.00 $349.95
    Fork: RST M-29 29er 80mm Air fork BikeIsland 1 $0.00 $0.00
    Stem: Easton EA70 Stem GearScan $15.99 1 $7.44 $23.43
    Headset: Cane Creek S-3 PricePoint $32.98 1 $32.98
    Seatpost: Easton EC70 Carbon Seatpost '08 JensonUSA $49.00 1 $49.00
    Handlebar: Easton Monkeylite XC Riser Bar '08 JensonUSA $68.00 1 $68.00
    Brakes: Avid BB7 Combo Kit (rotors, calipers, levers, cables) BlueSkyCycling $120.98 1 $10.25 $131.23
    Crank: Shimano SLX M600 Crankset w/ Bottom Bracket BlueSkyCycling $129.98 1 $129.98
    Bottom Bracket: Shimano SLX M600 Crankset w/ Bottom Bracket BlueSkyCycling 1 $0.00
    Left Shifter: Sram X.9 Trigger shifter Set 2009 w/ X.9 rear derailleur PricePoint $149.98 1 $10.25 $160.23
    Right Shifter: Sram X.9 Trigger shifter Set 2009 w/ X.9 rear derailleur 1 $0.00
    Cassette: Shimano XT CS-M770 Cassette OEM 11-34T JensonUSA $50.00 1 $5.95 $55.95
    Chain: 1 $0.00
    Front Derailer: Shimano XT M770 Front Derailleur, top swing dual pull JensonUSA $34.98 1 $34.98
    Rear Derailer: Sram X.9 Trigger shifter Set 2009 w/ X.9 rear derailleur PricePoint 1 $0.00
    Wheels/Hubs: Shimano Deore M525 Disc hubs w/ Mavic 317 rims PricePoint $174.98 1 $174.98
    Tires: CST Caballero Amazon $13.00 2 $6.00 $32.00
    Grips: 1 $0.00
    Saddle: 1 $0.00
    Pedals: 1 $0.00
    Tubes: Stan's No Tube Tire Sealant JensonUSA $12.00 1 $12.00
    Bike Stand: Sette ST 7 DLX Foldable workstand PricePoint $89.98 1 $89.98
    $1,344.69

    If there is a better "budget" item for something specific feel free to speak up. First thing probably coming in the next month will be the stand, frame and fork! Will update as soon as I can.

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    Ok I am looking for recommendations on a good saddle, white preferably, within the $50 or so dollar range? I dropped the SLX M600 crankset for the LX FC-M582 for $85 and did a couple other changes here and there to bring the price down.. Wife just told me that she is picking up the tab on the frame/fork for my bday so that will give me some more money to play with initially.!

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    So I ended up picking up one of the last XT M770 cassettes from Jenson on Friday and should have it today. Also, checking local craigslist found a pretty good deal on a handlebar (Race Face XC riser) and XT 771 Front derailleur for $40. Both are slightly used but in good condition. Bike is starting to come together slowly.

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    I really enjoy building my own bikes as well, and find it fun, rewarding, and very worthwhile. As you get further into the sport, your parts bin will start to fill up making each subsequent build cheaper. The last time I bought a complete bike was like 1995!

    My one suggestion would be to take a deeper look into your frame/fork choice. That will be the heart and soul of the bike, and is not easily/inexpensively changed. The frame you have selected is certainly cheap, but I fear you will outgrow it, and I'm sure it's a boat anchor!

    Another option for a project like this is to buy a complete bike and then sell of most of the new parts that you don't want. It's a good way to get a nice frame and fork at a very reasonable price. You do have to lay out the cash beforehand, but if you start selling the parts right away, you can pay the credit card down with the part-selling proceeds.

    Good luck!
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    Have you checked Chainlove? I just saw sets od Avid Elixer 3s going for < $60 ea. Some great deals there.

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    Yeah that I have done some research on the frame and it is the same as the KHS Tuscon. While not the best all around frame it will last me as a good hardtail for a while. As I am just getting into the sport I feel that the frame is the one place that I can make some compromises in regards to weight, geometry. However, I am building up the components so that if I find that I truly enjoy the sport and I am doing it more often then not, I will then upgrade to something like a Turner Sultan or Niner Jet/Rip 9 frame and have a good base of components to start with. I am a research whore by nature/title and have looked into it and began studying about geometries/etc. From the looks of it the frame/fork is a good jumping off point, the frame and fork are a bit heavy but solid with good traction and absorption of the fork. While I would love to spend more money on the frame/fork combination at this point in time, I would rather have a good "part bin" to make my next bike that much better.

    Well just talked with the guy and the X0 set is actually little over 4yrs old so that is out of the question. While it was an good deal for the parts, that is a bit older than I am comfortable with so I will stick with the X9 group from pricepoint.

    UPDATE: Just received my first part from JensonUSA.. was lucky enough to get in on the OEM Shimano XT cassettes they had for $50.
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    My brother was nice enough to pick up the craigslist stuff for me this evening, and ends up he knew the guy. The guy was an wrench from the shop my brother uses so he felt safe getting me the stuff.. At $180 for the 4yr old XO RD and Shifters I may still consider them now knowing they were taken care of properly by a wrench and he gave my bro the same story that he put them on a bike and then ended up not using the bike because he started focusing on a SS/Rigid. He is now selling off all his misc parts because he is going to buy a full, expensive, setup instead of building his own this time. Will have the XT M771 FD and Race Face Evolve XC Low Riser tomorrow!
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    Got my next set of parts today...
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    I am one of the pickiest, perfectionist, and cheap people i know and i will build exactly what i want way before i would buy a built bike and then spend more money making it the way i want it. Take my fuji belt drive 29er for instance, i did not like any of the belt drive bikes out there so i built my own my way. Im just saying know yourself and if you want it your way then build it, if you are cool with a stock off the shelf bike then awesome but know the difference.

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    Question on geometries.....
    So I was looking at the geometry of the Unbranded (Motobecane) frame on BikeIsland and then the Access XCL 9r frame from Performance Bike. I noticed that the head and seattube angles are slightly (like 1 degree) different. I was wondering how much this would play into how the frame rides. Both frames have good reviews, etc. but I was just curious.

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    +1 on what m-t said. i've done nothing but "roll my own" since april of 09, and I'll never go back. i've built 6 bikes for myself, and i've spec'd them the way i want them, and i've done it cheaper than off the shelf for the same spec. i've had to be verrrry patient, and i've made lots of calls, done lots of bargaining, and done lots of looking around. i have 2 29ers, but i've had to build, ride, and sell, 3 others to get what i want. i'm there, and it feels great to have 2 bikes that i've built cheaply and in the way i wanted to.

    when you get it built, if you don't like any part of it (inc the frame), sell it off and get the parts you want. oh, have fun!

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    Well, just stopped by my LBS to talk to the owner about the local trails and found the next piece to the puzzle. Found a stock Giant saddle from one of his bikes for, get this, $10!... So far not doing too bad, Giant saddle $10, Race Face Evolve XC Handlebar $20, Shimano XT FD-M770 (only 30 miles) $20, Shimano XT CS-M770 Cassette $56.. So far only $106 into the bike.. Gonna pull the trigger on a frame this weekend, thinking of the Access XCL 9'r instead of the Motobecane, for $107 (with coupons).

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash
    Question on geometries.....
    So I was looking at the geometry of the Unbranded (Motobecane) frame on BikeIsland and then the Access XCL 9r frame from Performance Bike. I noticed that the head and seattube angles are slightly (like 1 degree) different. I was wondering how much this would play into how the frame rides. Both frames have good reviews, etc. but I was just curious.
    I haven't looked at the specs of either frame but in general (and this is probably an over generalization), slacker angles will ride more stable at speed but tend to be less responsive at slower speeds. Steeper angles will be more responsive at low speeds but less stable at higher speeds. Again, this is a gross generalization. There's many other factors to consider like Axel to Crown measurement and offset of your fork, stem length, ETT, and wheelbase. Each of which will effect how the bike handles. It's very difficult to determine how a bike will handle on paper. For example, the last bike I built has parallel 74º head tube and seat tube with a 51mm offset fork. On paper it should be the twitchiest bike you've ever seen but on the trail it's amazing. A bike is a system and as such, everything effects everything else. That's one of the joys of building your own. You won't quite know what you'll end up with until you've built it. Enjoy the process.

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    What did you need explaining on? I have been digging around so I have an idea about a few things (I think).

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    Well my bday is tomorrow so things started a bit early!!!
    Purchased the following today through ebay!!!
    - BB7 caliper set with 6" rotors ($87)
    - Avid Speed Dial 7 levers ($22)
    - Jagwire Ripcord Brake Cable kit ($22)
    - Race Face Ride XC crankset w/ bb ($98)

    Got a few other things I have bids going on so waiting for those to finish tomorrow and Sunday!! Will post pics once I get the stuff.

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    Well first set of parts started showing up today!!!!! God wish I had the frame now!
    Also, put in an order for stem, seatpost, grips, and chain from Cambria and did a price smash on the chain. Everything was authorized today while talking to a tech and got them to throw in a free CBO water bottle with the shipment before it went out.

    Boxes at the door when I got off work!!
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    New Speed Dial 7s
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    Used (but in good shape) X9 trigger shifters!!
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    And a quick mock-up on the bar!!!!!
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    Should be getting my Jagwire Ripcords and X9 derailleur in the next couple days, then the stuff from Cambria should show up probably early next week.
    Didn't realize it but the X9's dont come with shift indicators? Guess I will just have to get used to shifting and knowing where I am.

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    Delivery fairy showed up again today!!!
    Avid BB7 with 6" rotors!
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    Parts fairy again today!!

    So looks like my Cambria order got delayed and will be here monday from the big brown truck. That leaves me to get my derailleur and then I will only be waiting on info from the company that I bought my crankset from...

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    Well the big brown truck showed up today with a batch of stuff from Cambria. Have to say, talking with the Cambria people was awesome!!! Super helpful and ended up finding an old coupon for a free waterbottle that they threw in.

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    Well just about got everything now only have to purchase the big stuff; Frame, Fork, Wheelset..

    Here is the build stats with costs so far...
    Race Face Evolve XC 31.8mm stem - $17.96
    Race Face Evolve XC Seatpost 31.6mm - $29.95
    Race Face Evolve XC Low Rise Handlebar 31.8mm - $20.00
    Avid BB7 calipers with rotors - $78
    Avid Speed Dial 7 levers - $21.95
    Jagwire Ripcord Brake Cable Kit - $21.49
    Race Face Ride XC 175mm crankset with bb - $99.57
    Sram X9 shifter set - $56.94
    Shimano XT CS M770 Cassette - $55.95
    Sram PC-971 Chain - $19.98
    Shimano XT FD-M770 Front Derailleur - $20.00
    Sram X9 Rear Derailleur - $57.99
    Lizard Skinz Moab grips - $8.95
    Giant branded Saddle - $10.71
    Total: $519.44

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    Update?
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    Its still just the push of a button away...
    I am no longer a hardtailkid. 2012 Trek Remedy 9!

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    Decided to return the Race Face Ride crankset. Just didnt feel right about it so I am returning it and going to pick up a Shimano SLX 3x9 crankset.

    Frame, I will probably wait for the Access XCL 9r to come back into stock and then see if I can pick up a Reba Race for cheap off ebay. Probably will try and pick up the fork first then the frame. If I cant find a good frame for cheap then I will get the Moto unbranded.
    Wheels will be something that I will buy when I have the money.

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    Ok so been a while since I updated this thread... I have decided to go with the On-One Inbred 29er frame instead of the Access purely for aesthetic reasons. I will plan to wait until the new revisions to the Inbred are released in the spring and then purchase the frame from there.
    Was actually able to pick up a used XT crank and brand new XT bb from ebay (separately) for a total of $130. Got lucky with the crank as the guy was selling it locally on ebay and was able to meet-up with him and not have to pay shipping. And have lined up an RST M29 fork from a member here to pick up in a few weeks when he gets his new bike! So really, after that I will just need the headset, frame, wheelset, and tires to finish her off.

    In the meantime here is the crank and bb
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    You are a very patient person.

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    The Access is a good frame. I did the opposite of what you are doing and bought the Access 29er when it was on sale for the package of components and now am swapping those out over time to get the ideal set up. The access frame is nice, responsive and stiff. I've moved my components over to a steel frame.
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    Congrats on the project. I built two carbon bikes this year, one for my wife and for myself. The budget was around $1500 each. On top of that I have decided to build my first 29er. I bought a brand new Scott Scale 29er L frame for $500 on ebay. I do feel very sentimental about Scott since my first MTB was a Scott Peak in 1993. The frame was the S...T!!!! It was a chrome molybdenum one. My mom bought it form me when I graduated from the primary school.

    Enjoy your new project!

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    Yeah patience is definitely something that I am learning with this. I really wish I could just put in the order for the last few things and get it done with so I can start playing. I know in the long run though it will be well worth the wait.

    I am really digging the purple frame and here is to hoping for a white frame. We will see though!

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    I like what you are doing! Even though custom builds are more about getting the right parts on the first time rather than buy a complete package and replacing a bunch of stuff later. The DIY portion, and the fact that you are doing it yourself adds sentimental value, and you learn stuff about your bike. I wouldn't have it any other way (except in the parts kit) but it is your money, and you have to buy on your budget, huge props on that even if it does come out a little more than a complete! On-One is a good choice, it shows a bit of custom. Nothing wrong with the Access or the Sette Rizzo, but I have appreciate your bike more than one of those, its custom, its your parts kit, and its yours! You will enjoy the bike a lot more, and be able to be a part of a unique and small community of On-One! Congratz man!
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    Thanks dub.. much appreciated!
    I have learned a lot and have also learned that sometimes waiting that little bit for that better part to come around can make a difference. Believe me I was ready to just dump the money on Felt Nine Trail (and so was my wife) and have everything done with. But luckily I have a brother that has been in the sport for quite some time and has helped guide me. He even is letting me borrow his custom (though too small) Rocky Mountain Element 50 in the meantime since he just build himself a nice, new carbon Titus. By chatting here, reading, and most of all learning, I can make educated decisions on what parts I want and hopefully pick ones that will last a bit longer.

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    Yep, don't forget the product review section! That can be pretty handy as well. Any part you are unsure, google it w/ "review" at the end, someone somewhere has first hand input. I take the opinions for what they are, and take how it would apply to me to determine if its the right product, but I do trial and error myself, but I don't make uneducated purchases.

    Once I finish my next project, I am thinking about doing one of those funky china 29 carbon bikes with a neat paint job..have to see if I can afford it though, but I think it would be fun..but we'll see, bikes I ride 100% of the time come first.
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    Well haven't updated in awhile. Next part should be coming pretty soon. Worked out a deal with a very gracious member here who was nice enough to hold on to a fork for me for the last month off of a purchase he got. So hopefully by the end of this week or mid next week I will have the money to him and have a new 80mm RST M29 fork coming to me!!! Then that leaves the headset, wheelset, frame, and tires. Asked for some tires from the wifey for Christmas but things are a bit tight so the fork may be the only Christmas present I get on the day of (or close there of at least).

    Still debating on whether I want to hold out for the 3rd Gen Inbred frames with swap-outs or just go for a 2nd Gen frame?! Any real benefits to having swap-outs v. horizontal drop-outs?

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    I have a WTB Momentum Headset that I can donate to the cause. It is second-hand by me, but only has 2 30min rides on it while I waited for the Chris King to arrive. I bought it from Chainlove. If you pay the shipping, you can have it for free.
    http://www.mtbr.com/cat/controls/hea...22_124crx.aspx

    I actually have a friend that bought a Doner Motobecane Fantom29, and he will be Ebaying the frame and most likely the WTB wheels (gravity FSA hubs) They are stout wheels, but have a heft around 2100g...but he may part those items at a reasonable price..PM me if interested, and what kind of pricepoint you looking at...

    Like I said, the headset is free if you pay for shipping.
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    Hell I will take you up on that!!! I will pm you my address to let me know how much shipping is. Then will you let me know if you have paypal! Thanks Dub!!!

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    Ok so here is a question for everyone. Just realized that the seatpost I had was the wrong size so it had to be returned. What is a good, cheap seatpost in, 27.2mm size? Don't think I necessarily need carbon and had ordered and OE Race Face Evolve XC seatpost and like the adjustability of the angle. Is that something that is really necessary (the angle adjustment) or is that just a "nicety?" Oh and by cheap, I mean no more than like $30-$40 shipped.
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash
    Ok so here is a question for everyone. Just realized that the seatpost I had was the wrong size so it had to be returned. What is a good, cheap seatpost in, 27.2mm size? Don't think I necessarily need carbon and had ordered and OE Race Face Evolve XC seatpost and like the adjustability of the angle. Is that something that is really necessary (the angle adjustment) or is that just a "nicety?" Oh and by cheap, I mean no more than like $30-$40 shipped.
    pm sent

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    PM replied...
    Thanks guys for all the help!

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    Well looks like I will be getting the headset in a day or so and the fork and seatpost will be coming around the New Year.
    Here is to dreaming that Santa shows up with a pretty new Inbred 29er in the 19.5" size for me!!!

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    Sucks, just got done talking with Dub and apparently someone switched the headset in the mail. Ended up getting a BowFishing DVD instead of the headset. I really feel bad for dub because he was trying to do a good deed and got shanked in the end!

    Also, just found out that Santa will be dropping off a Purple 19.5" Inbred 29er frame sometime next week!!! (Wife was trying to order and couldn't figure it out, LOL)
    So that makes the headset, wheelset, and tires the last things before this baby can roll! Will post pics once I get everything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash
    Sucks, just got done talking with Dub and apparently someone switched the headset in the mail. Ended up getting a BowFishing DVD instead of the headset. I really feel bad for dub because he was trying to do a good deed and got shanked in the end!

    Also, just found out that Santa will be dropping off a Purple 19.5" Inbred 29er frame sometime next week!!! (Wife was trying to order and couldn't figure it out, LOL)
    So that makes the headset, wheelset, and tires the last things before this baby can roll! Will post pics once I get everything.
    niiice! methodical builds can be fun too!

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    PMs replied. Got to love the Christmas spirit around the forums!
    Thanks again for everyone that is offering help.

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    Yah that is completely BS on the Headset...very unfortunate..but kind of funny too! Maybe its a calling..for bowfishing. No seriously, there was a WTB Momentum Headset in that package

    Congrats on the Inbred frame! That should be pretty sweet!!!
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    Yeah I agree... Will have to put the disc to good use though, maybe the White Elephant gift for next year's Christmas party.

    BikeNY decided to step up to the plate, sending me a Cane Creek S-3 with a pair of used tires!!!!

    Got to love the Christmas Spirit on this forum!!! I will definitely pay it forward guys! Thank you so much! God bless you!

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    If I had a part to give you, I would have sent it. Is there anything else you might want/need? I have plenty of stuff laying around.
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    Thanks for the offer Hardtailkid but I think I have everything. Last thing will be the purchase of the wheelset and then to have the bike built.

    Thanks again everyone and Merry Christmas!!

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    Well the latest part has arrived!!!! Thanks again Boomn! Frame should be here today as well (shipped that to the house) and headset from BikeNY should be here soon!!

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    I think this is the best thread I've read all year...

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    Thanks, went home at lunch to see if frame had been dropped off but no dice. On the way back to the office saw the brown truck going up into my area of town so will probably be there when I get home tonight?!

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    Just got home and frame was waiting on the door step. Awesome people at Unreal even sent me an Unreal Cycles insulate coffee travel mug.

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/gfisicaro/5304659915/" title="Untitled by renofizz, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5162/5304659915_761a9f133d_z.jpg" width="478" height="640" alt="" /></a> <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/gfisicaro/5304746663/" title="On-One Inbred 29er by renofizz, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5285/5304746663_fc72525fa2_z.jpg" width="478" height="640" alt="On-One Inbred 29er" /></a>
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    sweeeeeet! Can't wait to see it all built up (and dirty!)

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    Damnit!! Just realized that the frame does not come with a seatpost clamp... Gonna have to pick one of those up too along with a shock pump!

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    Ok so talked with On-One and the seatpost clamp size is 28.9mm?? I cannot find one that size anywhere but On-One's website. Any suggestions?

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash
    Ok so talked with On-One and the seatpost clamp size is 28.9mm?? I cannot find one that size anywhere but On-One's website. Any suggestions?
    They sound mixed up to me. It's supposed to be 29.8mm, and for that you can use the commonly available 30.0mm size. There used to be a typo on the website but it looks like that's corrected and their site says 29.8mm now too

    I have a Salsa 30.0mm on mine and it fits great

    edit: looks like they transferred the typo over to the front mech clamp, which is 28.6mm not 29.8mm

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    Really? ok perfect! Yeah maybe just a mistype or something. I will look at 30s then. Thank boomn

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    Huh... just came across this.. Woodman makes a 29.8?!

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    Small update..
    Finally got the stuff from BikeNY (thanks again Mark) and now really all I need is the seatpost clamp (like $20) and the wheels. Wheels are currently lined up with Orion_Cycles per recommendation from Boomn, they will be Stan's Flow rims with M629 hubs and DT Swiss Comp spoke and brass nips.

    The tires that BikeNY sent over (which initially I thought one we not long for this world) ended up being in great shape. He sent me over a pair of Halo Choir Master 29er tires (which are very hard to find in the US) and have received some stellar reviews.

    Here is a pic of the tires... sorry no pic of the headset (Cane Creek S3 Plus 5)
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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash
    Small update..
    Finally got the stuff from BikeNY (thanks again Mark) and now really all I need is the seatpost clamp (like $20) and the wheels. Wheels are currently lined up with Orion_Cycles per recommendation from Boomn, they will be Stan's Flow rims with M629 hubs and DT Swiss Comp spoke and brass nips.

    The tires that BikeNY sent over (which initially I thought one we not long for this world) ended up being in great shape. He sent me over a pair of Halo Choir Master 29er tires (which are very hard to find in the US) and have received some stellar reviews.
    Glad you finally got the stuff, that took a while! The tires perform very well, but the weight weenie in me won out eventually and I swapped them out.

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    Yeah at nearly 800g each they are a bit on the heavy side, but then again so am I! I will give them a try out and see how thing "roll" once I finish the bike. After a while I may go with only one on the front and something smaller and faster like an AKA, IKON, SB8 or Ignitor in the rear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DFYFZX
    Just pointing out an overlooked aspect of building your own bike. Unless you buy all your parts from one place at one time, you're going to pay $10+ shipping like what, 20 times??? $200 for a conservative estimate is a LOT just to get stuff in the mail! Just sayin...

    It might not be as much fun as building your own but the Motobecane Ti Fly Team is a SICK bike for the money and will probably cost you less than building your own "budget" aluminum bike with just so-so components. It will also most likely ride a lot better too I've never ridden Ti but I hear it's dreamy

    http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/...TI_29_2010.htm
    I agree. This bike looks great for the money. I've considered pulling the trigger on this several times. Only one concern holding me back: how flexy is that front end w/ 1.125" steerer and quick release? Tapered and thru-axle seems to be the direction things are headed.

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    Don't go with an Ignitor on the rear, you will witness lateral slippage on roots and rocks. I currently run Ikons EXOs front and rear and love it! SB8s are good but don't last long and aren't very durable, so if you are looking at it from a financial perspective, it is not a good buy. I would suggest Ikons EXOs front and rear, they are fast and supple and so far very durable. Since you are on a hardtail, assuming you have the clearance maybe if you could find a deal on a set of Racing Ralph 2.4s to give you that extra cushion. I would definitely take your time finding the best deal because RRs are expensive but worth the investment. I think the Maxxis Ikons will last a bit longer though.
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    Well ended up getting promo from Rocky Mountain Cycles on ebay for their 2day 99cent auctions and picked up a set of Shimano LX SM-RT62 rotors fro $21 with shipping! That solves my problems right there of trying to find an adapter for the centerlock rotors. Looks like it is going to be a bit for the wheels but we will see.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash
    Well ended up getting promo from Rocky Mountain Cycles on ebay for their 2day 99cent auctions and picked up a set of Shimano LX SM-RT62 rotors fro $21 with shipping! That solves my problems right there of trying to find an adapter for the centerlock rotors. Looks like it is going to be a bit for the wheels but we will see.
    I can't believe how patient you are...

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    I actually have another bike to keep me occupied for the time being. Believe I look at it everyday longingly!!! Soon my sweet! Soon.....

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    Ok so I have a question for everyone.... Recently I was able to go riding and realized that on downhill sections (techy or not) I seem to forget to unlock the fork. So I did that this last time and dont know how much I like the "squish" the fork gives you? I guess my question is, is this a shadow of things to come? Have you done this before? This is riding my brothers RM Element with a Fox F100 in front and RP23 in the back. I am sure that it is not setup properly for me but Wondering if I am going to get out there and then never end up unlocking the fork.

    So looking at my sheet the last things I need to get are as follows..
    - Seatpost Collar
    - Bottle cage(s)
    - Wheelset (hopefully this deal with Orion works out)
    - Derailleur cable housing (wondering if I should just buy a new DIY Kit of XTR or Jagwire Ripcord)
    - Carbon Fiber head spacers
    - BBG BashGuard (took off the big ring as I noticed I dont use it even when on the road)
    - Pedals???? (debating on gong with Wellgo MG-1s or just starting out clipless)

    Once I get all that stuff taken care of she will be ready to assemble. Thinking of making her maiden voyage be something grand up in Lake Tahoe, but that all depends on how well the snow has melted off.

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    Picked up a Woodman Deathgrip Seatpost collar from CBO with a 20% off code today and grabbed a BBG Oval 104 bashguard to replace my big ring. CBO usually gets to me in about a day or so and hoping to have the BBG by next week! I will post pics when I get them.


    In the mean time here is the rotors I grabbed....
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    Get it built already!!!

    For cables, I would go with a DIY kit, Ripcords are good and come in neat colors, you can pick them up cheap on Ebay, but Pricepoint has really good prices on Alligator DIYs if you don't care about color (black or carbon braid) which I feel are a little bit better quality housing than the Ripcords.

    I have a pair of Shimano M-540s that still have miles left on them, and brand new cleats...msg me if you are interested...unless you are going platforms.
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    Think I am just going to go with the platforms for now since I do not have shoes for the clipless. Maybe later in the year I will move to clipless but $40 for the MG-1 on ebay, I cant go wrong!

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    She is looking so forelorned sitting in the corner with no wheels!!! Soon my precious, soon.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash
    She is looking so forelorned sitting in the corner with no wheels!!! Soon my precious, soon.....

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    You could at least oblige her by doing some assembly while you what for the last parts! Get the headset installed and then mount the fork, stem, bar, shifters, brake levers, and grips. Also mount up the bottom bracket and crankset, and then start working on the brake and shifer cables. You should be able to have it pretty much completely built and then just through the wheel on and adjust brakes and shifters.

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    I would but I have zero tools other than metric allen wrenches. Was thinking about taking it to my LBS to have the headset pressed in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash
    I would but I have zero tools other than metric allen wrenches. Was thinking about taking it to my LBS to have the headset pressed in.
    The headset is the only thing I have my LBS install. The rest is easy to do yourself, and shouldn't cost you too much in tools.
    On the bike I just finished I did everything but the headset. As I was finishing up I realized the headset had been installed wrong, a piece had been installed upside down. Yet another reason to buy the tools and do your own labor.
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    I'd recommend your LBS press in the headset and install the BB if you are limited on tools. It would be money well spent. Might consider letting them set up your shifting and brakes if your not confident in doing so.

    Is'nt building your own bike fun? My first bike was a complete. Ever since then I have searched classifieds and auctions building up my bikes. Winter time is an excellent time for building bikes. Parts get clrearenced out. People sell used stuff. Keeps us sane when you cant ride.

    Looking forward to seeing finished pics. Excellent thread. See ya on the trail.

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    Thanks guys... Thinking I might run the bike up tonight with the headset and bb and have it put in.

    Mojo - Well seeing as I believe I am the only one in the area with an On-One Inbred in Purple I will probably be pretty easy to spot! Normally ride Ash Canyon but plan to start venturing out once I get the bike finished so if you see me flag me down!

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    Rather than paying your LBS $40 or whatever to do this, why not invest in something like this:

    http://www.performancebike.com/bikes...0_20000_400154



    For a couple of bucks at the hardware store, you can build your own headset press:



    If you're not going to learn to work on your bike now, when will it happen?



    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash
    I would but I have zero tools other than metric allen wrenches. Was thinking about taking it to my LBS to have the headset pressed in.

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    The trusty wooden block headset press!

    Hey seat boy, just curious--got any DIY way to remove the crown race? I haven't started brainstorming or even looked at it, but I have a feeling it's going to upset me.

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    Get a few razor blades (maybe 5, because they will break) and a tap hammer.
    I've done this a bunch and it never damages anything on the fork or the crown race. Just put a razorblade between the race and the fork crown and tap it, and do the same on the opposite side of the fork. Then you will have a teeny bit of space under the crown race. Just fiddle around with it with the razor blades and it will come off in max. 5 minutes. DO NOT use a standard screwdriver and try prying the race off; that just beats the hell out of the fork crown.
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    Yeah I guess that I could do everything myself, just feel real bad for the LBS because I had promised to buy a new Felt Nine Trail from him and then went a completely separate direction. I know businesses like that live and breath by their customers so just feel bad doing something like that!

    So I have kind of a weird question.... I picked up a Cane Creek S3 Plus 5 from BikeNY. It seems like everything is there but when I pulled it out of the box there were some small parts that came off. I am assuming these are like the crown race and what-not. Should I/Do I need to pick up a separate crown race? How can I tell if anything is missing? I can post pics if needed.
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    Some forks have a little slot or ident in the crown just below the race, allowing you to get a screwdriver in there and hammer it out. Otherwise, I just use a smaller screwdriver.

    I haven't tried the razor blade method, but I haven't really had an problems with screwdrivers.

    Quote Originally Posted by ollyisk
    The trusty wooden block headset press!

    Hey seat boy, just curious--got any DIY way to remove the crown race? I haven't started brainstorming or even looked at it, but I have a feeling it's going to upset me.

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    It should come with a crown race, that's probably one of the loose parts in there. There should also be instructions that show how it all stacks together.

    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash
    Yeah I guess that I could do everything myself, just feel real bad for the LBS because I had promised to buy a new Felt Nine Trail from him and then went a completely separate direction. I know businesses like that live and breath by their customers so just feel bad doing something like that!

    So I have kind of a weird question.... I picked up a Cane Creek S3 Plus 5 from BikeNY. It seems like everything is there but when I pulled it out of the box there were some small parts that came off. I am assuming these are like the crown race and what-not. Should I/Do I need to pick up a separate crown race? How can I tell if anything is missing? I can post pics if needed.

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    If you bought it used and don't have the directions, just go to the Cane Creek website - they'll have a little diagram there for you to follow. Of course, if you bring it to the LBS, they'll be able to tell you in an instant.

    FWIW, I have that exact tool kit from Performance and also use the wood block headset press. Never had any problems. The trickier part is removing a headset - the installation is the easy part.
    Enjoy the ride!

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    By the way, I can't get over the color of your frame. It is soooo sweet.
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    Thanks Hardtailkid! Yeah I was debating between the orange and the purple and the purple just seemed so sweet. It will look bad ass with some black components on it!! Just talked to the guy that is building my wheels and we are doing a trade!!! So no money changing hands, just exchanging trades! Got to love the ability to barter and trade!

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    but $40 for the MG-1 on ebay, I cant go wrong!
    These pedals are half the weight of the primos platforms I had before. the metal is soft and salt will kill them but I love them.

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    No real salt here to eat at the pedals like that.. I know that the metal is rather soft for the pedal but these will probably not be on forever as I am sure I will eventually move to clipless.

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    Didn't realize I had something sent to the office, so got a nice little surprise when I got back from lunch today.

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/gfisicaro/5396597950/" title="Woodman deathgrip by renofizz, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5292/5396597950_5d8fc0ace6.jpg" width="374" height="500" alt="Woodman deathgrip" /></a>

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    BBG Bashguard showed up today.. damn this thing is well made and LIGHT! Installed perfectly and anodizing looks perfect.

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/gfisicaro/5398944219/" title="BBG Bashguard by renofizz, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5133/5398944219_dcea559b47.jpg" width="374" height="500" alt="BBG Bashguard" /></a>

    Installed on my XT 770 crank...
    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/gfisicaro/5398969587/" title="BBG Bashguard on XT crank by renofizz, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5173/5398969587_82edac2834_z.jpg" width="478" height="640" alt="BBG Bashguard on XT crank" /></a>

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    Get the bike done already!

    Hey Greg,

    I have loved checking back in on this thread over the last few years to see how your bike is progressing. I tell you what, man, you gotta get this bike done! The anticipation is killing me! It's like watching a movie in 30 second increments every two months. You have got to be close, right?

    Good luck, and I love the build so far!

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