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    Cracked weld on my 2011 Jamis Exile 2!!!!!!!!!!!

    Found this crack while cleaning my bike. Its the weld on the right seat stay where it is welded to the seat tube. Took it to the bike shop I bought it at, they confirmed the crack and will be sending it off this week.

    The only thing is, I'm not sure what it will replaced with? They aren't making this frame any more, so unless they have some 2014 frames left over, I'm not sure what I'll get back. I'm hoping that the components from the Exile will fit another frame, should that end up being an option. We'll see!


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    I think its great they are replacing it. Let us know what you get back.

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    They probably have a few leftover stock of the bike. If not then you will get what the new, comparable model is. As for the parts fitting, that is going to be a hit or miss but most companies will not suddenly change a lot of standards on their bikes within a specific category or group (like seattube size, BB shell, etc.).
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    That weld must have not penetrated through enough, Im not a welder but it would say it was the weld that failed and not the aluminum. Glad they are replacing it for you.
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    Drummerboy... you will see. Sounds like they're going to take care of you, which is good.
    Know that a warranty replacement rarely if ever means they are going to set you up with a new frame built up and ready to ride with your existing components, etc. at no cost to you. Probably not going to happen.
    It sounds like you didn't use as many exclamation points when you went to the bike shop.

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    That weld must have not penetrated through enough, Im not a welder but it would say it was the weld that failed and not the aluminum. Glad they are replacing it for you.
    way off... as you probably already knew, since you're not a welder and you just made that up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    Drummerboy... you will see. Sounds like they're going to take care of you, which is good.
    Know that a warranty replacement rarely if ever means they are going to set you up with a new frame built up and ready to ride with your existing components, etc. at no cost to you. Probably not going to happen.
    It sounds like you didn't use as many exclamation points when you went to the bike shop.


    way off... as you probably already knew, since you're not a welder and you just made that up.

    Um, huh?

    So what are you saying? They're going to charge me to disassemble, ship, and reassemble my bike?

    The bike shop said that once they talk to Jamis and send them photos and info, my new frame will be shipped to the store at no cost to me, and the bike shop said they would reassemble at no cost.

    So it sounds like your not a customer Service Representative and you just made that up.....

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    Cracked weld on my 2011 Jamis Exile 2!!!!!!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Drummerboy1975 View Post
    Um, huh?

    So what are you saying? They're going to charge me to disassemble, ship, and reassemble my bike?

    The bike shop said that once they talk to Jamis and send them photos and info, my new frame will be shipped to the store at no cost to me, and the bike shop said they would reassemble at no cost.

    So it sounds like your not a customer Service Representative and you just made that up.....
    That's great for you... it is also unusual. And I didn't say any of those things, I was just trying to set your expectations realistically for the normal experience.

    If the headset or bottom bracket isn't the same standard, do you expect that they'll throw those in too?

    Do you appreciate the WAG misinformation provided by the non-welder analyzing a structural aluminum failure?
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    That's great for you... it is also unusual. And I didn't say any of those things, I was just trying to set your expectations realistically for the normal experience.
    If the headset or bottom bracket isn't the same standard, do you expect that they'll throw those in too?
    Do you appreciate the WAG misinformation provided by the non-welder analyzing a structural aluminum failure?
    Actually I'm a Machinist and a welder and, the information/opinion of the above poster was pretty spot on. The weld did not penetrate at the joint. This is called a "Toe Crack" and is due to low current during the weld. Using a higher current will create more heat, thus penetrating the filler material into the stock itself. Normally the root cause is moister in the material being fused and can be eliminated by a higher current(more heat).

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    Cracked weld on my 2011 Jamis Exile 2!!!!!!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Drummerboy1975 View Post
    Actually I'm a Machinist and a welder and, the information/opinion of the above poster was pretty spot on. The weld did not penetrate at the joint. This is called a "Toe Crack" and is due to low current during the weld. Using a higher current will create more heat, thus penetrating the filler material into the stock itself. Normally the root cause is moister in the material being fused and can be eliminated by a higher current(more heat).
    We can all google stuff, holmes. MTBR is full of Wikipedia experts.
    Low current has a very typical look. Your frame doesn't show it, which of course you know, being a welder and all.
    Toe cracks can have multiple causes, most frequent in aluminum welding is lack of adequate pre-heat, especially in production welding where people are in a hurry.
    I don't think I can offer much else. Sorry if you didn't like what I said to your buddy, but I disagree and it's pretty basic stuff we're talking about.
    Glad everything is working out better than average for you. Stick with that shop for sure.
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    Yea because you opinion is way more valid than his.

    And who's talking about Wikipedia? I know my ****.

    And why hijack my thread with negative useless comments? Treat this place like you would someone's shop or garage. Would you go into another guys garage, while he's BSing with a few buddy's over his cracked frame, and start spouting your knowledge of frame building and metallurgy all over the place?

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    The interwebs is a hell of a drug... Hope your new frame shows up quick and you can get back to riding ASAP! I think it's quite obvious that otherwise imperceptible alien deathrays are to blame for the crack, I looked into it on numerous filipino porn sites.

    Have fun and stay cool!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummerboy1975 View Post
    Yea because you opinion is way more valid than his.

    And who's talking about Wikipedia? I know my ****.

    And why hijack my thread with negative useless comments? Treat this place like you would someone's shop or garage. Would you go into another guys garage, while he's BSing with a few buddy's over his cracked frame, and start spouting your knowledge of frame building and metallurgy all over the place?
    You hijacked your own thread by getting your panties twisted about something I said to someone else and spouting your "machinist and welder" credentials.

    Thanks for the advise on how to treat this place, mom.

    Here's a free tip for you in return: if forum banter, especially when it doesn't even involve you, gets under your skin, find something else to do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    You hijacked your own thread by getting your panties twisted about something I said to someone else and spouting your "machinist and welder" credentials.

    Thanks for the advise on how to treat this place, mom.

    Here's a free tip for you in return: if forum banter, especially when it doesn't even involve you, gets under your skin, find something else to do.
    Its my thread, one that you replied to multiple people, including me and Andyfloyd, in the same post. So it does involve me.

    Go away now. Please and thank you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Drummerboy1975 View Post
    Its my thread
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    Got my replacement frame! Jamis replaced it with an Exile 3 rather than the 2 I had. So I went from burnt orange brushed aluminum.

    Free shipping and assembly!


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    Cracked weld on my 2011 Jamis Exile 2!!!!!!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Drummerboy1975 View Post
    Got my replacement frame! Jamis replaced it with an Exile 3 rather than the 2 I had. So I went from burnt orange brushed aluminum.

    Free shipping and assembly!
    That is awesome!! Incredible customer service. Congrats & enjoy.
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