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    Clyde needs a good 29er to jump, 300 pounder

    Hi you all I need a good bike to jump off steps and ledges,any help would be great.

    Right now I am running a Specialized 23 inch 26er with Sun MTX 29's and 42 CM tires for my do it all blaster bike to get from point A to point B but everybody tells me not to start jumping it and if I start to jump I need a rear shock bike.

    I want a bike I can jump off ledges that are like 3 to 4 feet going fast and it will take it, I like to make my own trail when I go from point A to point B and get slowed down because I am afraid to jump my Rock Hopper HT.

    I want a bike where it has a lock out on the shock that can be engaged and disengaged at the handle bar,

    Any help would be great and can a HT jump good? for what I want and is being 300 pouinds a big problem?

    I come from MOTOX and 300 is no problem for the old trusy CR 500 motor so I am just curious.

    Thanks for any help.

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    IMHO, being a big guy, you need to look for a DJ (Dirt Jumper) specific bike. Something with a heavily re-enforced frame that can handle what you're wanting to do. An XC bike like that Kona Honzo won't cut it. Good luck
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    Let me know what you find. I'm 300-330lbs. and I've broken my full-sus frames on the street. I'd look at Ventana and get them to reinforce everything. I haven't talked to them yet, but that is the way I am leaning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mellow Yellow View Post
    IMHO, being a big guy, you need to look for a DJ (Dirt Jumper) specific bike. Something with a heavily re-enforced frame that can handle what you're wanting to do. An XC bike like that Kona Honzo won't cut it. Good luck
    Hardly an XC bike.

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    Ive heard good things about the yeti sb-95. supposed to be very strong.

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    Thankyou all for the help, so if you are a cow that likes to fly you need a special bike made specificly for domesticated farm animals ?

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    Seriously, bikes just aren't designed off the shelf for people like you, you need to either drop some weight or admit to the fact that you'll need a coil sprung FS of the XM/FR orientation.
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    Must it be a 29er?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Varaxis View Post
    Must it be a 29er?
    No it does not have to be 29, my ride right now is a 26er XXL with 29 DH wheels on 42 CM tires but I am afraid to jump it.

    I ride high speed road with the trail short cut and jump what I can but I want a rear shock.

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    So, you jammed "DH" 29er wheels into a 26er frame, with skinny little tires?

    Why? What's the point?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Le Duke View Post
    So, you jammed "DH" 29er wheels into a 26er frame, with skinny little tires?

    Why? What's the point?
    It's convenient and it works for me, I like the look and feel of a 26 for what I do. It is a road trail cruiser you can jump and beat the crap out of it. I like the speed of the smaller tires plus they are cheaper.

    It is a XXL RH,I was thinking about putting a 650 on the rear and running a 29er up front?

    I want a real bike now,I was looking at the Specialized StumpJumper with the Brain shock,how good would that be with my DH MTX 33's with Hope Pro hubs?

    Any help is welcome and I will build if I can land a frame setup.

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    Well, you've got what should be some pretty bomb proof wheels there, they should hold up just fine. As to the Stumpy, there's some big guys riding them, but you have to remember air shocks can only be pumped up so high and at your weight you're close to or above that Max PSI that shocks can take, def would be better looking at something that can use a coil shock.

    Quote Originally Posted by Realslowww View Post
    want a real bike now,I was looking at the Specialized StumpJumper with the Brain shock,how good would that be with my DH MTX 33's with Hope Pro hubs?

    Any help is welcome and I will build if I can land a frame setup.
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    Thanks for the help you all,Yaa I have 2 set's of MTX 33's one with hopes and one with Shimano's hubs.

    I will look at the Horse Theif, I would never steal a horse, however cows are a different story thay taste so much better.

    Which Stumpies work best for larger riders, the shock layout I noticed can be different. Some have the shock positioned by the bottom bracket and others on the top tube.

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    My friend built a custom 29er from Engin and it was made with Heavy Metal Steel tubes form the UK (not sure about the mfgr and i could not find online)- apparently a bit beefier than the standard steel tubing. Bike is rock solid. Worth asking about if you can afford it.

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    I have been on Ebay looking, I do not know what to look for ?

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    I just reread the op. Wow- good luck finding something to handle the riding you described with the mass you have to manage. Custom sounds like the way to go. Try transition bikes- maybe they can help....with some extra goodness on this sweet lookin bike!!!

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    To truly handle your weight and intended use I'm pretty sure you are going to need a custom frame, for a 29er.

    Like someone else posted, a 26er DJ bike could probably deal with it...but I don't think you're going to get 29er wheels on there.

    For a FS 29er, I'd look to either a semi-custom build from Ventana, maybe a stock Banshee Prime (biiig maybe, contact Banshee), or a full custom job from someone like Waltworks.

    Good luck!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bear View Post
    To truly handle your weight and intended use I'm pretty sure you are going to need a custom frame, for a 29er.

    Like someone else posted, a 26er DJ bike could probably deal with it...but I don't think you're going to get 29er wheels on there.

    For a FS 29er, I'd look to either a semi-custom build from Ventana, maybe a stock Banshee Prime (biiig maybe, contact Banshee), or a full custom job from someone like Waltworks.

    Good luck!
    Do you mean a 26 DH bike? 29's fit on my 26 XXL RH but you have to run small tires. I really like what I have but want to jump more.

    I come off of riding 25 years of MOTO X motorcycles and rode 500 2 smokes so like this is a shock to me because all I had to do on a CR 500 was spring and valve suspension and I was there.

    So like is mountain biking for fat old hogs like me and women?

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    Have you considered a Surly Karate Monkey? Not a FS but a bomb proof hardtail designed around 29er wheels. Would certainly fit your wheels and allow a larger tire for some cush. Get yourself some schwable big apples and go to work. You could then source out a good fork and probably be in for $1000-1500 or so depending on what you could swap over (cranks, derailleurs, headset).

    I am with every one else's opinion that if you can't get a custom FS bike (lenz?) for your weight, everything else is just going to be overstressed. Alternately look around your locale and see if there is a custom builder that will do a custom frame to meet your needs. Troll the MTBR classifieds to see if you can pick up a fork that meets your needs and then assemble the Ultimate you bike. And this time lock the daylights out of it.
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    Are you looking for a full suspension bike or a hardtail?

    The trek stache would be a suitable hardtail.

    Talk to me in the spring and I'll probably have one for sale with 36 hole all mountain 29er rims laced to Azonic Recoil hubs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Realslowww View Post
    Do you mean a 26 DH bike? 29's fit on my 26 XXL RH but you have to run small tires. I really like what I have but want to jump more.

    I come off of riding 25 years of MOTO X motorcycles and rode 500 2 smokes so like this is a shock to me because all I had to do on a CR 500 was spring and valve suspension and I was there.

    So like is mountain biking for fat old hogs like me and women?
    For a DJ bike I was thinking 26er, with 36 spoke wheels (so they are more resilient).

    I'm wary of thinking you'll find sturdy 29er tires that hold up well for you, that fit on a 26er frame, I don't think. Not for the very aggro use anyway. Factoring in jumping and related stuff I'd want at least a 2.2" tire that has a solid build. Probably stick with UST tires just for the extra tight bead and built-up sidewalls.

    You can't really compare moto vs bikes as the moto have a TON more "budget" for heavier components, which in turn hold up for heavier riders.

    Lenz Sport is a great company, like Rockcrusher mentioned, they also do custom/semi-custom work and could probably help you out. They have been making "trail" to "aggro" to "DH"-friendly 29ers for a while now - you should really look at what they have available.

    It's also a very good point that most air-spring bikes and forks may be a hard fit for your mass, You'll likely be better off with coil-spring based stuff, and you'll probably need some custom tuning on the compression damper too in order for it to work best for you.

    Most bikes are NOT made with 300# rides in mind, especially for 300# riders who want quality air time ... you're really not main-stream so you gotta expect a bit more challenge finding something that's going to ride the way you want it, and hold up.

    FWIW, back in '02 I weighed about 240, probably over 250 all geared up, and I got a 5" trail bike. I broke the frame five times in nine months of use, and both dropouts on the fork once too. I was not into big jumping at all - largest jump was maybe 3' but to a good landing - I just put a good amount of miles on it. Time and materials have advanced, I'm sure the equivalent bike is now much more durable, but still that was an 'all day ride aggro' bike *not* an "XC" bike - it should have held up better IMO. After the last time it broke (and the vendor replaced the frame and fork...great service!) we sold it off and found me a better built machine. The better machine served me for 7 years and I'm pretty sure it only failed because I literally started using it for DH and FR at bike parks ( Diablo/Mountain Creek in NJ, Plattekill in NY, etc. ). The second machine was up to the task.

    I have 100% faith there's the right bike for what you want, but I only have 60% faith that it's available in stock from from any builder ... it will take research though on your part to find it.

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    Thanks for all the help, I will keep the bike I have with small tires and build one with a shock for launching with the hopes and bigger tires.

    If what I have now this style had a lockout shock and bigger tires that would be for me.

    Road riding but with brutal shortcuts. After riding moto x I like high speed blasting with light jumps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Realslowww View Post
    After riding moto x I like high speed blasting with light jumps.
    I don't blame you.

    That's one of things I like about bike-park riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bear View Post
    For a DJ bike I was thinking 26er, with 36 spoke wheels (so they are more resilient).

    I'm wary of thinking you'll find sturdy 29er tires that hold up well for you, that fit on a 26er frame, I don't think. Not for the very aggro use anyway. Factoring in jumping and related stuff I'd want at least a 2.2" tire that has a solid build. Probably stick with UST tires just for the extra tight bead and built-up sidewalls.

    You can't really compare moto vs bikes as the moto have a TON more "budget" for heavier components, which in turn hold up for heavier riders.

    Lenz Sport is a great company, like Rockcrusher mentioned, they also do custom/semi-custom work and could probably help you out. They have been making "trail" to "aggro" to "DH"-friendly 29ers for a while now - you should really look at what they have available.

    It's also a very good point that most air-spring bikes and forks may be a hard fit for your mass, You'll likely be better off with coil-spring based stuff, and you'll probably need some custom tuning on the compression damper too in order for it to work best for you.

    Most bikes are NOT made with 300# rides in mind, especially for 300# riders who want quality air time ... you're really not main-stream so you gotta expect a bit more challenge finding something that's going to ride the way you want it, and hold up.

    FWIW, back in '02 I weighed about 240, probably over 250 all geared up, and I got a 5" trail bike. I broke the frame five times in nine months of use, and both dropouts on the fork once too. I was not into big jumping at all - largest jump was maybe 3' but to a good landing - I just put a good amount of miles on it. Time and materials have advanced, I'm sure the equivalent bike is now much more durable, but still that was an 'all day ride aggro' bike *not* an "XC" bike - it should have held up better IMO. After the last time it broke (and the vendor replaced the frame and fork...great service!) we sold it off and found me a better built machine. The better machine served me for 7 years and I'm pretty sure it only failed because I literally started using it for DH and FR at bike parks ( Diablo/Mountain Creek in NJ, Plattekill in NY, etc. ). The second machine was up to the task.

    I have 100% faith there's the right bike for what you want, but I only have 60% faith that it's available in stock from from any builder ... it will take research though on your part to find it.
    Doesn't a rear shock relieve alot of stress? and how bout a 69ner or a 650b 9er? with the smaller wheels in back and a 9er fork on a 26 frame? I love to experiment with toy's, should have seen my custom 500 CR 500's. I was probably the first person to shoehorn a 500 2 smoker in a CRF 450 frame back in 02.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Realslowww View Post
    Doesn't a rear shock relieve alot of stress? and how bout a 69ner or a 650b 9er? with the smaller wheels in back and a 9er fork on a 26 frame?
    Rear shocks change the stress points, but in the end the bike - however built - has to support you and handle the impacts of riding.

    To me, it's a trade off - simpler/larger elements ( frame tubes, bb shell, welds ) vs more/smaller elements ( pivot bolts and axles and bearings ).

    Some can be changed to be more robust - for example the "standard" rear shock mounting hardware is a two piece aluminum pair that leaves you with a great stress point on the bolt/axle passing through them - where they meet. I've bent bolts there. I've always had faster wear on the rear-most shock mount point. Replacing that with hardware that uses a 1 piece sleeve that goes the full width of the mounting bolt does a great job in making it more durable. I choose to believe this works because the impact/load stresses are spread across the whole thing instead of focused at the middle.

    The thing the rear shock CAN do with the whole jumping / bump thing is take the hard immediate impact out, so long as you never bottom out the shock of course. This goes right back to having the correct spring weight / air pressure and the correct compression damping settings.

    And landing skills. ;^)

    as to the wheel size discussion - that is a HUGE can of worms to open - but one short view (only one!) goes kind of like this..

    - as wheel radius increases, wheels are less durable, assuming same weight of components

    - thus to have the same durability and stiffness wheel at different radii, larger wheels will be heavier

    - lastly, as rear wheel radius increases, minimum chain-stay length increases, the longer the rear chanstay the less agile the bike (some believe, not me, there's more to bike design than just that)

    If you want to see more of the pros and cons, dig deep on the 650b forum - I *think* it has the most recent / most active discussions comparing wheel sizes. ;^)

    For what it's worth, these days, you can have an appropriate wheel built to any of the three primary sizes (and a few others to boot), even for your intended use. Don't worry about that too much.

    Money, of course, will be a factor.

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    I'll leave this here for my input on what you should get. That's if you go 29er. You would be better off with a HT at your weight regardless of wheel size.

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    But won't a HT break,how tough is a RH? Somebody posted you could get left over fuel Trek's for 1/2 price but I have been unable to find them.

    I like the idea of a smaller rear wheel for strength, I would actually run a 42 to 45 CM up front and a big tire with a 26 or 650B in rear but 650's are limited and they do not make a MTX 33 in that size.

    Thanks for the help.

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    Hey Realslowww, I replied to your posting in the Clyde section about getting a Stumpy. Don't do it.

    Now, as to all the opinions of little people on here that think they know what works for clyde riders, so many of your ideas are ridiculous. There are plenty of full suspension bikes out there that work for guys over 300. I am proof of this as I'm 6'5" and 330 and ride both a Niner WFO and a Knolly Chilcotin. Now, I know The Butcher on here broke his WFO on the street, which I am amazed at, but I have ridden mine now for a year, and while I don't do big drops or jumps, I do take it on 18 mile rides up at Tahoe, I've mobbed it through Soquel Demo Forrest and routinely do 10-12 mile rides with 2000ft of elevation gain and that bike is rock solid. I'm running Stans Flows laced to CK stainless hubs, 32 front/36 rear and they've been bullet proof. Not even a broken spoke. (I'll get the Flows EX next) And, I'm running a Fox DHX Air on it. The only problems I've had with it, which happened after 8 months and hundreds of miles is I blew the GXP BB and both the fork and shock have been into Fox for warranty stuff which was unrelated to my weight.

    On my Chilcotin, which I've had since April, I'm running the CCDB Air and although it's at the max psi, dude it rocks! For wheels I'm running Mavic 823's laced to CK stainless hubs 32f/36r and dude, they are so bullet proof. There's been so many times I though I would taco them and nope, not even a slight bend. I do small jumps on this bike and have no worries. If you are going to be hucking any bike at your weight, you will probably need a coil shock with a spring rated for at least around 800lbs (good luck finding this). I did have to get the fork custom tuned for my weight and it's amazing.

    Take a look at that thread I told you about in the clyde section and it will answer many of your questions.

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    I've been following your thread with interest. What I can't recall seeing is a budget you have in mind. Are you stuck around $2K, or is $4-6K realistic?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Butcher View Post
    I've been following your thread with interest. What I can't recall seeing is a budget you have in mind. Are you stuck around $2K, or is $4-6K realistic?
    I will or do not want to spend 4 to 6, I will Ebay shop and try and get a good deal. I might if I get into it big time but 4 to 6 is like a motorcycle purchase and I cannot see it for a bicycle.

    I will spend money on good wheels and suspension and just beat the rest and exchange and upgrade as I go. Does this make any sence?

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    jUst curious,what about the Zenn 2 on Ebay?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Realslowww View Post
    I will spend money on good wheels and suspension and just beat the rest and exchange and upgrade as I go. Does this make any sence?
    Good wheels == 500-1000 for the pair
    Good fork == 600-1200
    Good rear suspension == frame + shock == 1800+

    All new prices.

    The rest of the bike (drivetrain, brakes, h-bars, etc.) would easily add another 1000 or more.

    So, new bits, you're talking 3900 + - bone stock stuff, no custom builds. NOT high end parts - mostly not even middle-end parts.

    Best way to buy a new bike is a *whole* new bike, where you can come in under that because of savings from the seller (e.g. Giant, Specialized, Trek, Kona, etc.) getting stuff in bulk.

    Used?

    Totally depends upon what you find, but I'd be surprised if you find anything truly decent and in good shape of commensurate quality for less than 1500-2000.

    Yes, bikes these days cost a major portion of what motos these days cost, and much more in many cases.

    It sucks, but that's the reality.

    The best way to save money on bike purchases is to take heavy+durable stuff (as opposed to heavy+crappy, which just fails quickly IMO) and nut-up to dealing with the weight. In the bike-weight-vs-rider-weight comparison you should have an easier time keeping a favorable ratio. Sorry, but true.

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    I already have the wheel set,hopes with MTX33's they cost 500 and that is better quality than I have seen on practically all bikes that come complete turn pedal.

    I hunt Ebay for a XL or XXL frame with fork and shock but you are saying a find for a 300 pounder is tough. I have seen a few but everybody says I need spring suspension.

    Thanks for helping.

    I will not spend alot of money for something I have not riden before hand, I will take a gamble on something priced cheap on a send it in the mail lets try it kind of thing.

    I bought a Trek 4300 and RH 23 inch on comfort the more expensive bikes I demoed were set up in race mode and did not do it for my lazy a$$,I like to ride along straight up style riding going like 20 MPH and when something comes up just launch off it.

    I just want a cruiser I can jump and run over stuff and possibly fly to Mars on
    thats not asking to much is it?

    I am stuck on the XL or XXL,each company makes the frame differently that is why I will not spend alot before demo. MY 4300 22,5 Trek was perfect but the Trek 24 inch was to big and I had to reach to far. My 23 inch RH is perfect in XXL, I am a goofy build even on a 23 inch I have the seat post up a foot because of long legs and on most XXL Frames the steering stem is to far forward for my short torso,so I like a tall short bike.

    What about a Cannondale Scapel 4000 22 inch XL? there is a frame on ebay with shock for 249?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockcrusher View Post
    Have you considered a Surly Karate Monkey? Not a FS but a bomb proof hardtail designed around 29er wheels. Would certainly fit your wheels and allow a larger tire for some cush. Get yourself some schwable big apples and go to work. You could then source out a good fork and probably be in for $1000-1500 or so depending on what you could swap over (cranks, derailleurs, headset).

    I am with every one else's opinion that if you can't get a custom FS bike (lenz?) for your weight, everything else is just going to be overstressed. Alternately look around your locale and see if there is a custom builder that will do a custom frame to meet your needs. Troll the MTBR classifieds to see if you can pick up a fork that meets your needs and then assemble the Ultimate you bike. And this time lock the daylights out of it.
    That may work but I have it in my head I want a shock,I will be launching off 3 to 4 foot drops and my old A$$ may want a shock.

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    I got the message on this by looking around and 4 to 6 thousand I will not pay that, I was looking at a frame called the Zinn 2 in Xtra large. It looks to the eye well built does anybody know just out of curiosity how well made a design like that is.

    The older Cannondale Scalpel looks to be a different rear shock design. I am curious because on Moto X motorcycles they are all about the same but on bicycles the engineneers seam to take alot of different approaches to design.

    And what is a WFO and how much are the bikes when done building, is that considered a top clyde bike?

    Any help would be great but if I need to spend that much I cannot afford a good bike to jump,I will just wait for a deal if one comes.

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    What about a Rocky Mountain flatline and can you get it in XL or bigger. That looks like a tough bike!

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    I got the message on this by looking around and 4 to 6 thousand I will not pay that, I was looking at a frame called the Zinn 2 in Xtra large. It looks to the eye well built does anybody know just out of curiosity how well made a design like that is.

    The older Cannondale Scalpel looks to be a different rear shock design. I am curious because on Moto X motorcycles they are all about the same but on bicycles the engineneers seam to take alot of different approaches to design.

    And what is a WFO and how much are the bikes when done building, is that considered a top clyde bike?

    Any help would be great but if I need to spend that much I cannot afford a good bike to jump,I will just wait for a deal if one comes.
    Like Bear said, you're looking at $4K entry level for something that MIGHT hold up to what you want if you are looking at something new. Retail on my WFO spec'd with X0 was around $5K +/-.

    Cannondale has come out with a new Trigger 29 that MIGHT be an option for you, but I'm not sure how some of the components would hold up. The plus side is a lifetime frame warranty.

    Running the pros and cons, personally I'm leaning towards a Ventana doing a full custom build. I've looked at doing a $2K-3K bike, but by the time you get a wheel set that will hold you, etc, you are back up north of $4K anyway. I'd rather have a frame I can trust as well. It's not just about the warranty on the frame. A collapsed frame at speed probably means bodily injury, which I would prefer to avoid...

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    That is why I will not go off anything over 18 to 24 inches on my RH,I do not want to break my a$$. I have a good wheel set, I will work out from there and talk to Ventana. There are so many options on bicycles, motorcycles were much easier to select.

    Bang for the buck there is no comparison you get way more when buying a MOTO X motorcycle. It takes way more technology to build that and way more everything for roughly the same price.

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    [QUOTE=Realslowww;9829535]... I am curious because on Moto X motorcycles they are all about the same but on bicycles the engineneers seam to take alot of different approaches to design....[/url]

    Reading material:

    Buyer's Guide To Mountain Bike Suspension, Part 1 - BikeRadar

    Buyer's Guide To Mountain Bike Suspension, Part 2 - BikeRadar

    Buyer's Guide To Mountain Bike Suspension, Part 3 - BikeRadar

    WFO == Niner WFO, 5.5" rear travel => clicky this linky ($2100 for frame+shock, ~$4700 for full bike MSRP)

    I know not of the "Zinn 2" that you mention, share a link, eh?

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    yo , im about 230-240 pounds with my riding gear , i ride a surly karate monkey xl, with the rear wheel slammed i can manouver it almost like a bmx bike, manuals,wheelies, bunnyhops, its a real solid ride and im sure it will hold ur weight, just get some beefy wheels and ur set
    you might also take a look at the surly krampus, its a sick new bike from surly that fits really fat 29 tires

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    [QUOTE=bear;9830563]
    Quote Originally Posted by Realslowww View Post
    ... I am curious because on Moto X motorcycles they are all about the same but on bicycles the engineneers seam to take alot of different approaches to design....[/url]

    Reading material:

    Buyer's Guide To Mountain Bike Suspension, Part 1 - BikeRadar

    Buyer's Guide To Mountain Bike Suspension, Part 2 - BikeRadar

    Buyer's Guide To Mountain Bike Suspension, Part 3 - BikeRadar

    WFO == Niner WFO, 5.5" rear travel => clicky this linky ($2100 for frame+shock, ~$4700 for full bike MSRP)

    I know not of the "Zenn 2" that you mention, share a link, eh?
    That WFO is a really nice bike,just go to Ebay and pull up ZEN II XL frame. It looks like it is well made and some guy's are doing builds with it. The frames were boughten from a company that went out of business so what you get is what you get. Take a look and tell me what you think and thanks Big Bad Bear!

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    Quote Originally Posted by O.G View Post
    yo , im about 230-240 pounds with my riding gear , i ride a surly karate monkey xl, with the rear wheel slammed i can manouver it almost like a bmx bike, manuals,wheelies, bunnyhops, its a real solid ride and im sure it will hold ur weight, just get some beefy wheels and ur set
    you might also take a look at the surly krampus, its a sick new bike from surly that fits really fat 29 tires
    I will take a look thanks, I really like the RM flatliner!

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    [QUOTE=Realslowww;9830845]
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    ... Ebay and pull up ZEN II XL frame. It looks like it is well made ... boughten from a company that went out of business so what you get is what you get.
    Why not go with the current model zen ii, from Mountain Cycle, instead of the prior-gen model...it's MSRP for a complete bike is only 1800$

    Mountain Cycle - Zen II

    From the specs it's a "5 inch trail" bike, so should be designed with some romping-around in mind, but you should consider contacting Mountain Cycle to see if they think the bike is suitable for your intended purpose, for you ...

    Contact Mountain Cycle Inc.

    ... along with the MTBR forum for Mtn Cycle ...

    Mountain Cycle - Mtbr Forums

    I'd be inclined to think the San Adreas 2 to be more appropriate though...

    Mountain Cycle - San Andreas 2.0

    ... it's much more burly "6 inch all mountain" bike and the MSRP is only 100 bucks more for a complete bike.

    Of course, finding a vendor to buy it from, that I dunno about.

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    Try Zinn bikes, makes them for large and big riders, or lenzsport too.

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    Does the Zen 2 look Beefy?,


    Zinn has a nice product but very pricey? are they good for the money and is his support good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Realslowww View Post
    Does the Zen 2 look Beefy?
    It doesn't *look* flyweight on the inter-tubes, and the only weight measure I can find online for it puts the frame+shock(air)+post+cranks at over 11 lbs, so it's *not* a light frame, but it's not really *heavy* either, in other words, not a freeride bike ,but not an XC racer either.

    For comparison, the large Titus SuperMoto that I use for downhill/freeride comes in at about 10 lbs frame+shock(coil).

    You'd have to see it in person to make more of an assessment I would think.

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