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    Civilian Young Turk....anybody???

    Ok, there have been plenty of Luddite responses. Anyone have the Young Turk? If you do, post up some pics!
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    Agreed, I would love to hear a actual ride review.

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    Same here. Looking for somebody who actually has a Young Turk to post some pics and their thoughts. Also, looking to see if the fork is QR or actually 15mm as advertised. Thanks in advance.

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    The Young Turk is back on huck n roll and has 4 or 5 little reviews listed.

    This is just speculation on my part but I think the fork has to be 9mm qr. The wheels are the same as the Luddite's and I am sure they bought/built them in bulk.

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    I agree Zakman. The qr is a lot cheaper than a 15mm TA and i dont see one being offered at the bike's price point, BUT it would be a nice feature.
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    It appears like only a handfull of people here at MTBR have this ride, Luddite seems more popular. I am still happy w/ mine, still wishing it came w/ 15mm axle though. Not sure my ride reports would be helpful as I don't have anything but a ten y.o. FSR to compare to. Again, very happy w/ the bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pachaugbrad View Post
    It appears like only a handfull of people here at MTBR have this ride, Luddite seems more popular. I am still happy w/ mine, still wishing it came w/ 15mm axle though. Not sure my ride reports would be helpful as I don't have anything but a ten y.o. FSR to compare to. Again, very happy w/ the bike.
    Your bike looks awesome and if your happy, that's all that matters.

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    That's a sweet ride. And yes, who cares, if you like it, then it rocks.
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    Is that the XL? and have you weighed it? I really dig the retro vibe of the frame. I bet it rides as good as it looks.

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    Nice whip. I dig the grips.
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    It is the XL & fits very well (35.5 inseam). TTL seems perfect, not bent over like a racer or as upright as beach cruiser. The TTL is about .5" longer than fit calculator on Comp. Cyclist suggested, standover gives me about 3.5" clearance.

    I have not weighed and am in no hurry to. Sealant is on the way and looking at lighter tires, probably the only place I'll try to shave some weight. Its a trail bike, so other than this obvious bulk rotating, I'm not going to sweat ounces.

    I said in some other thread that it's a great deal at the 1399 I paid, now they're marked down to $1125ish and have a 60 day return policy - Get One!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pachaugbrad View Post
    It is the XL & fits very well (35.5 inseam). TTL seems perfect, not bent over like a racer or as upright as beach cruiser. The TTL is about .5" longer than fit calculator on Comp. Cyclist suggested, standover gives me about 3.5" clearance.

    I have not weighed and am in no hurry to. Sealant is on the way and looking at lighter tires, probably the only place I'll try to shave some weight. Its a trail bike, so other than this obvious bulk rotating, I'm not going to sweat ounces.

    I said in some other thread that it's a great deal at the 1399 I paid, now they're marked down to $1125ish and have a 60 day return policy - Get One!
    Can you return it and get one at the lower price? Might be worth the phone call if you are still within 60 days. They may give you $275 in credit towards gear.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pachaugbrad View Post
    It appears like only a handfull of people here at MTBR have this ride, Luddite seems more popular. I am still happy w/ mine, still wishing it came w/ 15mm axle though. Not sure my ride reports would be helpful as I don't have anything but a ten y.o. FSR to compare to. Again, very happy w/ the bike.
    What color is this one? I ordered a 15" for my wife.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakman View Post
    Can you return it and get one at the lower price? Might be worth the phone call if you are still within 60 days. They may give you $275 in credit towards gear.
    Thanks for bringing that up. Called and asked about returning and re-ordering to get back some $ - was asked to hold & after about a minute the rep came back & bluntly told me he just credited my card $275! (after already getting back $100 for the mistake of advertising w/ 15mm). So I got my sweet ride for the sale price - KICK ASS!

    Looking for front wheel w/ 9mm thru axle & OS caps to stiffen ms. Reba

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    I got my wife's Young Turk and was putting it together and noticed too things: this is the best packaging you could ever hope for and the guy or gal that put it together did a great job. The tires are a joke and do indeed weigh 980+ grams. I slapped on some others I had sitting around and lost a pound with no work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    I got my wife's Young Turk and was putting it together and noticed too things: this is the best packaging you could ever hope for and the guy or gal that put it together did a great job. The tires are a joke and do indeed weigh 980+ grams. I slapped on some others I had sitting around and lost a pound with no work.
    Which tires saved that much weight? Have a total weight for bike?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pachaugbrad View Post
    Which tires saved that much weight? Have a total weight for bike?
    I put some WTB Prowler SL 29ers I had sitting around that were another take off item. They weighed in at 730 each, which is not light by any standard. I could have gone to 600 gram Small Block 8s, but this is my wife first mountain bike and we want to keep her off the ground.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pachaugbrad View Post
    Thanks for bringing that up. Called and asked about returning and re-ordering to get back some $ - was asked to hold & after about a minute the rep came back & bluntly told me he just credited my card $275! (after already getting back $100 for the mistake of advertising w/ 15mm). So I got my sweet ride for the sale price - KICK ASS!

    Looking for front wheel w/ 9mm thru axle & OS caps to stiffen ms. Reba
    Awesome! So you got the bike for even cheaper than the sale price.

    You can get a set of Stan's arch ex's with ztr hubs from pro bike supply for $485 and then buy the 9mm thru conversion kit from the no tubes website for $20. Those wheels should save you about 800 grams for the set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakman View Post
    Awesome! So you got the bike for even cheaper than the sale price.

    You can get a set of Stan's arch ex's with ztr hubs from pro bike supply for $485 and then buy the 9mm thru conversion kit from the no tubes website for $20. Those wheels should save you about 800 grams for the set.
    Honestly, I'm not sure 1 lb is worth $500. Hoping to find a front wheel w/ 9mm thru axle to stiffen the fork and setting up SB8s tubeless to save maybe 700g?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pachaugbrad View Post
    Honestly, I'm not sure 1 lb is worth $500. Hoping to find a front wheel w/ 9mm thru axle to stiffen the fork and setting up SB8s tubeless to save maybe 700g?
    It would actually be more like 1.7 lbs. You could probably save close to 700 grams just switching the tires and going tubeless. You can also buy just a front Stan's wheel and conversion kit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakman View Post
    It would actually be more like 1.7 lbs. You could probably save close to 700 grams just switching the tires and going tubeless. You can also buy just a front Stan's wheel and conversion kit.
    If you go to SB8s alone, you'll lose 1.5 (760 grams) just in tires. The tube are a little heavy too; the wheels aren't bad, but not that light either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakman View Post
    It would actually be more like 1.7 lbs. You could probably save close to 700 grams just switching the tires and going tubeless. You can also buy just a front Stan's wheel and conversion kit.
    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    If you go to SB8s alone, you'll lose 1.5 (760 grams) just in tires. The tube are a little heavy too; the wheels aren't bad, but not that light either.
    Can't believe the weight difference between the Nevegal and SB8, hopefully the SB8 agrees with my trails, road sections will be quicker. Do think it's worth going tubeless or is the weight of a 29" tube close to the weight of the required amount of sealant?

    BTW SB8s on sale @ PricePoint for $33

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    Quote Originally Posted by pachaugbrad View Post
    Can't believe the weight difference between the Nevegal and SB8, hopefully the SB8 agrees with my trails, road sections will be quicker. Do think it's worth going tubeless or is the weight of a 29" tube close to the weight of the required amount of sealant?

    BTW SB8s on sale @ PricePoint for $33
    The tubes in mine weighed 210 grams each. Four ounces of Stan's weigh 120 grams.

    Even though some people run them tubeless, not all Kenda tires are meant to be used that way. The ones marked SCT (sealant compatible tires) are designed to be run tubeless with sealant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pachaugbrad View Post
    Can't believe the weight difference between the Nevegal and SB8, hopefully the SB8 agrees with my trails, road sections will be quicker. Do think it's worth going tubeless or is the weight of a 29" tube close to the weight of the required amount of sealant?

    BTW SB8s on sale @ PricePoint for $33
    There are a few light tires out there to check out. SB8s are very fast and light for the money, but not that grippy on some trails. Your local forum may have some recommendations for tires that work in your area.

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    I finally put one together yesterday for my wife and it appears to be a nice bike for the money. The 1x10 set is slick, shifts very smoothly (disclaimer: I haven't ridden gears in many years) and was perfectly tuned out of the box. Most parts seem decent other than the super heavy steel belted tires and the wheels are a little heavy. The build was impeccable and the packing perfect. There was a nice checklist that showed everything that was done to the bike and they even trued the wheels and test rode it.

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    That's a h3ll of lot of bang for the buck

    At a number of stores this bike is selling for $1124, at least one has free shipping at that price. For comparison my kinda comparable 2007 Salsa El Mariachi sold for $1349 in 2007 at my LBS with a rigid fork and I think the msrp was around $200 more than that. This has a tapered headset frame and tapered 100 mm Reba and a pretty decent parts kit, nothing blingy but definitely very serviceable and upgradable as needed. I love the look of the bike and both colors too.

    By comparison the Salsa El Mariachi 3 is generally similar but somewhat less well equipped and with a lesser fork and goes for around $1500. Though Salsa did go to a 2 ring crank with front derailler though and the Turk is single ring. I'm pretty tempted to buy one just for the frame and fork but I love the old Mariachi a lot and it might be offended. I'll be watching with interest how people that buy these steel framed Turks like them.

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    Thinking of getting one for my 5'6.5 to 5'7 girlfriend. What size do you think? The TT on the 15 seems tiny and the stand over on the 17 suspect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by appleSSeed View Post
    Thinking of getting one for my 5'6.5 to 5'7 girlfriend. What size do you think? The TT on the 15 seems tiny and the stand over on the 17 suspect.
    I got the 15 for my 5"-7" wife. It comes with a 80mm stem (I'd guess) and wide bars, it seems like a good fit for her. Lots of stand over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tl1 View Post
    At a number of stores this bike is selling for $1124, at least one has free shipping at that price. For comparison my kinda comparable 2007 Salsa El Mariachi sold for $1349 in 2007 at my LBS with a rigid fork and I think the msrp was around $200 more than that. This has a tapered headset frame and tapered 100 mm Reba and a pretty decent parts kit, nothing blingy but definitely very serviceable and upgradable as needed. I love the look of the bike and both colors too.

    By comparison the Salsa El Mariachi 3 is generally similar but somewhat less well equipped and with a lesser fork and goes for around $1500. Though Salsa did go to a 2 ring crank with front derailler though and the Turk is single ring. I'm pretty tempted to buy one just for the frame and fork but I love the old Mariachi a lot and it might be offended. I'll be watching with interest how people that buy these steel framed Turks like them.
    Maybe you just need one geared and one SS. Take your pick.

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    Quote Originally Posted by appleSSeed View Post
    Thinking of getting one for my 5'6.5 to 5'7 girlfriend. What size do you think? The TT on the 15 seems tiny and the stand over on the 17 suspect.
    If it is not going to be a surprise, you could use the fit calculator on competitive cyclist. I hear it is pretty accurate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    I got the 15 for my 5"-7" wife. It comes with a 80mm stem (I'd guess) and wide bars, it seems like a good fit for her. Lots of stand over.
    Did you get the sky blue color?

    Could you measure stand over for me and maybe post a pic of the small?

    Thanks! I will try to use the fit calculator too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pachaugbrad View Post
    Honestly, I'm not sure 1 lb is worth $500. Hoping to find a front wheel w/ 9mm thru axle to stiffen the fork and setting up SB8s tubeless to save maybe 700g?
    You'll save way more than a pound with the archex set up tubeless with decent tires. My Luddite went from 27lbs and some change to 23.6lbs just from swapping those wheels and tires. Very worthy upgrade IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by appleSSeed View Post
    Did you get the sky blue color?

    Could you measure stand over for me and maybe post a pic of the small?

    Thanks! I will try to use the fit calculator too.
    We got the blue - it's reminiscent of the sea foam blue/green popular on 50s Chevys. The stand over is around 28" to 29" depending on where you measure. I'll post up a photo when I can. The bike looks quite nice in person.

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    Anyone put a bash guard/ guide on your bike? And if so, which one?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluidworks View Post
    Anyone put a bash guard/ guide on your bike? And if so, which one?
    My Turk came with guide and plate. Chain is going nowhere. Really want to stiffen front wheel / fork, maybe used 15mm wheel and 9mm thru bolt reducer?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pachaugbrad View Post
    My Turk came with guide and plate. Chain is going nowhere. Really want to stiffen front wheel / fork, maybe used 15mm wheel and 9mm thru bolt reducer?
    The one I got for my wife was also setup this way. Chain seems secure. Are you finding the fork is noodlely (sp?) or something? My wife is like 125, so it won't matter to her ...

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    I don't know if I would say noodely (Sp? as well) more a flex of fork when pulling rim to crown area. Naturally, there will be some flex - probably just an issue in my head as the tapered tube seems to put the bike where I want. BTW I'm about 200# geared up. Curious if others with similar reba setups find the fork flexy as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pachaugbrad View Post
    I don't know if I would say noodely (Sp? as well) more a flex of fork when pulling rim to crown area. Naturally, there will be some flex - probably just an issue in my head as the tapered tube seems to put the bike where I want. BTW I'm about 200# geared up. Curious if others with similar reba setups find the fork flexy as well.
    Whatever you do, make sure to use live chat to let them know it didn't have a 15mm Maxie axel. I did this and got a little more money off. This bike is getting to be a great buy!

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    So far theres been lots of talk about parts and price, but not so much from people who have actually ridden it.

    Anyone have a ride report? Would love to hear something how the geo rides, etc.
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    $899.40 on department of goods with coupon code 6AS-1-UGL9A.

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    Think Realcyclist would offer to match price? I can't believe how the price continues to drop. It has to be the best deal on 2 wheels

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    Quote Originally Posted by pachaugbrad View Post
    Think Realcyclist would offer to match price? I can't believe how the price continues to drop. It has to be the best deal on 2 wheels
    Huck N Roll did a price match for my Luddite. It came down to $629.40.

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    Double post.

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    I was OK with original price, just got off phone w/ Backcountry and they are matching the Dept of Goods redemption code.

    $1500 bike is now a $900 bike!!R

    Again, killer deal

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    Quote Originally Posted by pachaugbrad View Post
    I was OK with original price, just got off phone w/ Backcountry and they are matching the Dept of Goods redemption code.

    $1500 bike is now a $900 bike!!R

    Again, killer deal
    I think I got it for 825 because of a little discount I got for the lack of 15mm Maxie!

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    I ordered one as well! I had my heart set on an El Mariachi but this just seems too good to pass up! Seems like one heck of a deal for $1500 and even better for $900!

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    I jumped on the band wagon too...Cant wait for my shipment to arrive...

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    Just ordered my Young Turk XL last night! I'm just hoping I like the geometry...

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    Thanks Zakman for the coupon code. I ordered one this a.m. I thought the Airborne Goblin was a good deal but the Turk is more unique for way less.

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    It looks like all the Civilian bikes have been removed from the Department of Goods website. Congrats to everyone who got their bike for an unbelievable 40% off the original price.

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