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    Chinese titanium frames direct

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    Spanner Bikes | Be your own brand.

    A useful site here if you want cheap ti frame info.

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    Quote Originally Posted by james-o View Post
    Spanner Bikes | Be your own brand.

    A useful site here if you want cheap ti frame info.
    Thanks, now I have something to read for a while.

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    my xcad has just arrived in the country, after reading all the negative reports I am hoping it doesn't explode on me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by finch2 View Post
    my xcad has just arrived in the country, after reading all the negative reports I am hoping it doesn't explode on me.
    Is it working out for you? I really want to order the frame I posted a picture of above, but what if it explodes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisx View Post
    Is it working out for you? I really want to order the frame I posted a picture of above, but what if it explodes?
    The spanner bikes blog is worth reading if thinking about one. It comes up with some worrying scenarios, but it also describes lots of happy customers and large companies using xcad. Any problems come from communication, cultural differences, and design issues - their product seems pretty good on the whole but some would disagree. If money were no option and I just wanted a nice bike made up I would have gone for Quiring again, but the fun was in designing it myself, as well as it being cheaper. They will make nearly anything for you, but if you design something that hasn't been tested before and it breaks then you will have to wear it. I would hope they would look after youif something was clearly their fault.

    My experience has been pretty good on the whole. Porter, while having his own definite style of communication, was reliable with replies and did know what he was talking about. I'll post up more later....I'm at work now...the frame is spot on so far, but I have only started work on it. It'll take me a couple months to build up. The only thing I noticed was the sliders aren't made to the same tolerances as genuine paragons, and so I may try a shim. It would be worth supplying them with some if going this route.

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    Quote Originally Posted by finch2 View Post
    The spanner bikes blog is worth reading if thinking about one. It comes up with some worrying scenarios, but it also describes lots of happy customers and large companies using xcad. Any problems come from communication, cultural differences, and design issues - their product seems pretty good on the whole but some would disagree. If money were no option and I just wanted a nice bike made up I would have gone for Quiring again, but the fun was in designing it myself, as well as it being cheaper. They will make nearly anything for you, but if you design something that hasn't been tested before and it breaks then you will have to wear it. I would hope they would look after youif something was clearly their fault.

    My experience has been pretty good on the whole. Porter, while having his own definite style of communication, was reliable with replies and did know what he was talking about. I'll post up more later....I'm at work now...the frame is spot on so far, but I have only started work on it. It'll take me a couple months to build up. The only thing I noticed was the sliders aren't made to the same tolerances as genuine paragons, and so I may try a shim. It would be worth supplying them with some if going this route.

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    Nice looking frame!
    The curved stays look real sweet!
    What chainstay length is that?

    Looks like they did some nice bending for the seat-tube also ...
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    yes to the above...I am really happy with the way it looks. I just need to ride it for the final test! Here is the geo.

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    I will be looking forward to reading a ride report.

    If you don't mind, how much did they charge you for a short stay 29er?
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    $185 for sliding dropouts. Seems a little high, not that I know the price of dropouts or anything. The same dropouts on your bike.
    Was there an up charge for 1 1-2 to 1 1-8 head tube?
    I asked about the cruiser not for performance or comfort. I thought it was stylish.
    I want to run either single speed or perhaps a 3 speed mountain hub.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ottoreni View Post
    I will be looking forward to reading a ride report.

    If you don't mind, how much did they charge you for a short stay 29er?
    to tell the truth I can't remember detail..yes there were up charges. Something like $150 for sliders, $70 for tapered but don't quote me. Bend in seat tube cost more, as did postmount fork etc etc. As for whether the prices are fair, it all still ends up pretty cheap comparatively...to put it in perspective, to get sliders from another company in the USA they added $150 as well. For a good builder like quiring, it was included in the total price. Total price for the custom xcad was roughly 1000+. Base custom is $700. Stock frame $500.

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    Have you installed the head set and bottom bracket yet?
    Let us know if they fit correctly.
    How long did you wait for delivery?

    I intend to order a frame in about 3 weeks. I am looking at the China carbon bike thread as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisx View Post
    Have you installed the head set and bottom bracket yet?
    Let us know if they fit correctly.
    How long did you wait for delivery?

    I intend to order a frame in about 3 weeks. I am looking at the China carbon bike thread as well.
    Seat post and BB installed perfect fit. Will install a headset in a few weeks. The arrival of the frame took longer than stated, but since when does something arrive on time? It probably took 4 weeks longer, but I didn't have to wait 8 months for Dean (Ionic) like I did once before. That purchase was a mistake I hope I don't repeat. I make stuff but hand as well, and rarely get things out the door on time so it was not a problem for me. I was just getting some of my own medicine! I just needed it made properly. Quick delivery is a realistic option for stock items but not common for bespoke orders. The Chinese carbon was attractive to me too, but the geo's and features weren't quite what I wanted, so went custom.

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    Quote Originally Posted by savoyjfas View Post
    my xcad has just arrived in the country
    Great - show us when you get it.

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    the ti looks best

    if it does not explode

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ottoreni View Post
    Nice looking frame!
    The curved stays look real sweet!
    What chainstay length is that?

    Looks like they did some nice bending for the seat-tube also ...
    Looks awsome

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bella Xu View Post
    Looks awsome
    Thanks guys...I can't keep from looking at it myself. It looks really nice in person...the photo doesn't do it justice. I do have a Ti fetish though! It's killing me not being able to just do the whole build at once.

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    That is a really nice looking frame, and that's coming from another person with a Ti fetish! One question: Did you consider a Carver Ti 420? Looks like the geometry and features are very similar. Also probably made in the same factory! I'm assuming you had some very specific requirements, thus the custom route. Also probably ended up cheaper than the 420.

    Good luck with the build, and post more info as the build progresses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikeny View Post
    That is a really nice looking frame, and that's coming from another person with a Ti fetish! One question: Did you consider a Carver Ti 420? Looks like the geometry and features are very similar. Also probably made in the same factory! I'm assuming you had some very specific requirements, thus the custom route. Also probably ended up cheaper than the 420.

    Good luck with the build, and post more info as the build progresses.
    Thanks for that....yeah there are a few nice frames around...the Rajin was another but I was after simpler lines, and a dedicated rigid, to my specs. Yes the thing was that all those other bikes cost a fair bit more and didn't have the appeal nor fun factor of designing it myself. If I wasn't so fussy all those bikes, including the custom Quiring I already have would worked really well! Part of the specs were a longer HT and short AC fork, as well as just some personal preference stuff, like ST length, HT angle etc. It's a fairly conservative short stay 29er with not too slack a head angle. Wheel base reasonably short, but front centre a safe length for me. Oh and while I was at it I got a 135mm postmount tapered fork.
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    Headset and fork in now. Fitted perfectly. I was unsure the crown race was going to fit as it was tight, but within specification. Cane Creek got back to me quickly and said it was fine...just use a bigger hammer ha ha. I made up a tool from some steel pipe and sash clamps and it worked a charm.

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    Just the wheels to go...
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    Quote Originally Posted by finch2 View Post
    Headset and fork in now. Fitted perfectly. I was unsure the crown race was going to fit as it was tight, but within specification. Cane Creek got back to me quickly and said it was fine...just use a bigger hammer ha ha. I made up a tool from some steel pipe and sash clamps and it worked a charm.

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    What type of headset does that headtube take?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ottoreni View Post
    What type of headset does that headtube take?
    Cane Creek ZS3 which I have not seen anywhere so I assume it is an OEM set. It's ZS, semi integrated tapered. Internal head tube diameter 44-56 from memory (don't quote me). There is a tiny bit of the lip on the cups sitting proud, I guess because of the thinner wall thickness compared to Al. Looks good though.

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    The head tube looks pregnate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by finch2 View Post
    Just the wheels to go...
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    Quote Originally Posted by borbntm View Post
    Nice!
    Thanks...the minister of finance has put a spanner in the works for my wheel build though...this will be an excruciatingly long build...

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    finally finished

    Well the bike is finally built up and ridden, although not many k's on it yet. I thought I may as well go over some of the process to this point for those curious about Xacd. All up, the frame is great and I am happy with how it is working. Everything was spot on with fit and build, except for two things. One, was partly my fault....I missed the spec of 10mm for the front hub axle, which should have been 9mm...I didn't think to check it as I assumed 9mm was standard. Porter is deadfast that 10mm is standard. So I was able to fab up a shim for the hubs and all is good.

    The only other point to make is that even though the sliding dropouts are called paragon style...they are not paragons. I know this as I have two sets already, one steel and one Ti. They are modelled off them and probably have the same specs however. One thing to think about if getting their sliders. Any differences? Yes, mainly two. the first is that they are not finished as well as Paragons. The internal part of the dropout is rougher like a naked water cut finish where the Paragons are smooth. They also look like slightly thicker gauge than Paragons. These two points are OK...they don't seem to cause any issue, and they look very solid. The bolt system seems quite effective...

    The one major issue I had was that there was excessive play in the dropout and slider. I know that my Paragons have excellent tolerances and no play when bolts are loose....but these, well there was a gap of 0.3mm from memory. Luckily I am familiar with fixing stuff, and I used a brass shim to get a perfect fit, and I have to say these now work brilliantly.

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    Weird...I see a lot of my photos aren't coming up, old and new. Anyway, thanks peterque

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    I had already posted this on another thread but........Ora Engineering = Motobecane Ti frames..........like mine just fine.........
    Rigid 29er Ti SS / 29er SC Tallboy AL

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    I'm awaiting a custom 29er+ from Waltly Titanium. I've ordered 4 frames previously from XACD, but their price of custom 'options' finally killed the deal. I wanted XACD to build a chainstay yoke from 4mm ti plate for maximum tyre clearance - they wanted $300 because they wanted to charge me for the entire piece of ti plate, not the 30mmx200mm needed for the frame! The custom extras more than doubled the price whereas Waltly are building the same frame design for $800 shipped.

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    To whomever started this thread thanks a bunch !!!!!

    Just as my head was finally stopping spinning from the myriad of carbon 29er frames available and resigning myself to not being able to stretch to Ti frame "off the peg" , you lot come along and point out that actually I could get a "CUSTOM" Ti frame for a bargin price !!!!

    So now I'm back to square one AGAIN !!!!

    A Ti hardtail rigid carbon forked geared 29er is my all time dream bike and is pure bicycle porn in my mind ::drools::

    Damn you OP ;-) LOL

    Whatever ya do don't post any more pics of your sweet custom builds with links to the suppliers will you . I'd hate that PMSL

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    Custom 650B Titanium frame from Titan Product

    I also checked out the Spanner website quite some time ago and after nearly 10yrs working in bike shops decided to be my own brand. This is not an effort to promote my brand but to share my experience with factory direct ordering as frames were never our intention but thought I'd experiment with it and have something made.
    I went through the design stage late last year and received my "sample" back in April.
    After an extended trip to the USA im back in AUS and almost ready to build it up.
    Firstly, at a glance it looks stunning! The tube intersections and welds are very neat. (As neat as any of the 3 Lynskey's I have personally owned, and as tidy as any of the many Moots who's owners I have the pleasure of riding with.
    Cant wait to see how it rides.
    About the process:
    I found the communication barrier is the hardest hurdle to face. They assure you they have a detail confirmed, but it turns out they certainly do not. Even though the welds and intersections cannot be faulted, there is a deformation in the top tube, and the artwork is not as supplied. They went ahead and applied their own font. I found that quite frustrating. I had to drill out the cable guides as i wanted full outer casing tabs, like an open brake hose tab. But other than that as i say it looks very impressive. Looking forward to reviewing it after riding.

    EDIT: Sorry Just realised this is a 29er only thead. My bad.
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    Any progress Brucesleeve looking at getting a cyclo cross version that wil hopefully stand up to my 6,4 height

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    Returned from a ride to find the missing part had arrived. Sweet! Just built it up and went for a zip around the block. At first feel, a lot stiffer than my Lynskey, would have something to do with the straight gauge tubing instead of butted. Taking it for a proper spin tomorrow evening. Will let you know then. hopefully the extra stiffness doesn't convert to harshness on the trail.
    I can certainly offer some advice during your design stage, if you need any.

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    Just sorting out the final details on my frame / graphics etc with Waltly Ti. Picked up a detail on the photos which was not clear on the drawings and they are sorting it. Awaiting photos of finished frame with logos.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dovebiker View Post
    Just sorting out the final details on my frame / graphics etc with Waltly Ti. Picked up a detail on the photos which was not clear on the drawings and they are sorting it. Awaiting photos of finished frame with logos.

    That's a really cool looking frame. What are your ideas around the seat tube extension, etc.? Use a rigid alloy post and let the frame flex, or? Just curious as it's a nice looking design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rumblytumbly View Post
    That's a really cool looking frame. What are your ideas around the seat tube extension, etc.? Use a rigid alloy post and let the frame flex, or? Just curious as it's a nice looking design.
    I'm planning on letting the frame flex by using a seatpost topper, I only weigh 60kg. Geometry is based on cross between Ritchey P29er / Surly Krampus with clearance for Surly Knard 29x3" but with 440mm rigid fork offset to give lower front end.

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    Does anyone know if these outfits or similar will do the custom high-end steel (like 853?)

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    Will you be going SS due to the sliding dropout? or 1x9,10 or 11? I like the head tube shape. What size is the top tube? I'm looking at designing vs pre-made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnieboy View Post
    Will you be going SS due to the sliding dropout? or 1x9,10 or 11? I like the head tube shape. What size is the top tube? I'm looking at designing vs pre-made.
    Are you referring to my frame? Just as mine has the sliders...

    Yes, SS format but could easily convert to 1X10 if needed. I have another frame set up that way already just had to get a slider insert with hanger and all was good. The head tube was what Xacd came up with when I specced tapered headtube. The headtube is semi integrated. Top tube from memory a shade under 625mm. What kind of geo are you thinking of for your frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by finch2 View Post
    Are you referring to my frame? Just as mine has the sliders...

    Yes, SS format but could easily convert to 1X10 if needed. I have another frame set up that way already just had to get a slider insert with hanger and all was good. The head tube was what Xacd came up with when I specced tapered headtube. The headtube is semi integrated. Top tube from memory a shade under 625mm. What kind of geo are you thinking of for your frame?
    Yeah, maybe I should use quotes :P
    Cool beans. Did they make good on the headtube? I hope so seeing as you trusted them to make a discretionary call on the tapered HT. As for what I think I'd like based on my 4 bikes and work experience in a custom-ish bike shop; curvyness on the chain stays for comfort, sloped seatstays for vertical compliance, stiffened (ridged or biovalised) downtube to prevent flex under pressure, drive side plate to limit flex at the chainstay, cable guides on top of top tube like a cyclocross bike to work with a frame bag I'll make. Slightly set back top tube than one might think, as I'm into setback seat posts to have my butt over the axle a little more. I also like the trekking type bars like a jones or Titec Hbar for example for long adventures and the ability to correspondingly move my hands back to compensate or climb, or forward to tuck on descents. I think that means I'd need a bent seat tube as well, but not at the bottom due to wanting to use an xtr front derailer I have for 2x10 setup. Fully rigid double butted TI frame. Fork would be carbon for vibration; either Easton's top of the line disc 29er fork depending on my pro deal discount, or Carver or one of MANY other alternatives. I was just looking for some bikeCAD software actually...maybe I should just make a frame out of PVC to see lol. Noone around my city has a bike like this....so I can't test anything like it. Heck I had other bike shop employees eyes boggle when I asked if they had TI. We have some at our shop, but only road/TT/touring frames.

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    Brucesleeve: Sweet stay/ST/TT joint welds. How did you find it comfort wise? Bumps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by donnieboy View Post
    Yeah, maybe I should use quotes :P
    Cool beans. Did they make good on the headtube? I hope so seeing as you trusted them to make a discretionary call on the tapered HT. As for what I think I'd like based on my 4 bikes and work experience in a custom-ish bike shop; curvyness on the chain stays for comfort, sloped seatstays for vertical compliance, stiffened (ridged or biovalised) downtube to prevent flex under pressure, drive side plate to limit flex at the chainstay, cable guides on top of top tube like a cyclocross bike to work with a frame bag I'll make. Slightly set back top tube than one might think, as I'm into setback seat posts to have my butt over the axle a little more. I also like the trekking type bars like a jones or Titec Hbar for example for long adventures and the ability to correspondingly move my hands back to compensate or climb, or forward to tuck on descents. I think that means I'd need a bent seat tube as well, but not at the bottom due to wanting to use an xtr front derailer I have for 2x10 setup. Fully rigid double butted TI frame. Fork would be carbon for vibration; either Easton's top of the line disc 29er fork depending on my pro deal discount, or Carver or one of MANY other alternatives. I was just looking for some bikeCAD software actually...maybe I should just make a frame out of PVC to see lol. Noone around my city has a bike like this....so I can't test anything like it. Heck I had other bike shop employees eyes boggle when I asked if they had TI. We have some at our shop, but only road/TT/touring frames.
    Some of those things you may need to talk to the builder about ....there is a debate on what is stiffer, round or hydroformed tubes. Round should be better in torsion IMO. Straight and round for me. Head tube on my frame works well, although my other frame has a 44mm HT and that is good too. Doesn't sound like you need short stays...also you can calculate your seat position and make a seat tube to suit to run a straight post, which is what I did. Xacd o any other maker can work that out for you. If you run bars with lots of sweep you may want to have a standard TT....if you run drop bars and sti levers the opposite. You'd be looking at a more road TT length for that. Chainstay plate is more for clearance for running big tyres and chain rings. You are better off with round tubes with minimal crimping if you want stiff. Your bike sounds like an off road tourer? You may be better off with versatility with the stay plates than stiffness in that case anyway. My drop bar 29er is a good format for that kind of riding. Comfortable hand positions for longer rides and also more road friendly.

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    Ora Engineering makes frames for Motobecane, in particular, the Ti frame I ride.....I think you can order direct from them but not sure - I found my frame on Ebay brand new (I think someone stripped everything down) and love it........
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    I've tried to contact Ora in the past, but they never got back to me.

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    Thinking about working with Waltly on a custom ti 29er. Any advice? I've read enough horror stories from XACD/porter to want to avoid working with them. Read through spanner bikes and saw doveboy's finished frame there, so it looks like Waltly does good work.

    When did you receive your drawing? After deposit? Were they perceptive to changes?

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    Waltly is a mixed bag on quality. I've seen some good work by them and some not so good work. I think it really depends on who you get welding your frame on any particular day. I know of at least 3 people who have complained of warped head tubes from high heat. There etching is kind of a mixed bag too. Sometimes they've come out misaligned or not correct to the file that you sent them. Another problem people have is they miss details in the specing of their frames and pay for it later.

    I've got some pics of skewed headtubes from them but they're not on my computer that im on at the momment. Like, the headtube is spun and the cutouts are way to the side of the top tube and bottom tubes. Not necessarily going to create a structural problem, but more so sloppy work.

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    Thanks for that. I don't know if I'm brave enough to go for it...hmmm...

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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy View Post
    I've tried to contact Ora in the past, but they never got back to me.
    Ora made some nice TI frames for a small local shop I worked for. They were well aligned and lively. Nothing is guaranteed with ANY company because PEOPLE are involved! Personally, I've had a response from FIGMO, another Taiwan based company. I asked about a 19" 29er geometry and received a response with the geo chart and a price quote for around 1000 with shipping to Canada from Taiwan. I thought it was alittle steep for me, so I passed up.

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    Waltly do great work....

    this has been going strong for 3 years and thousands of KMs now as SS Rigid, Geared Rigid and Geared w fork....






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    Hello,

    I'm in the process of building my own XC-Marathon rig and need some help.

    I took a seat tube of 420 mm and top tube of 595 according to a pro bicycle fitter.

    I need to choose

    1. tube diameters
    I don't like very soft frames as some of the thinn diamters titanium a tried so was thinking of going with thicker tube. 44mm for the down tube and 34mm for the top tube but quite afraid it will be too stiff (which I also wouldn't want for a marathion rig)

    2. Now days I guess BB30 is getting more popular...but should I go with the flow? what are the benefits and disadvantages?

    3. head tube - well here is a real dillema: I would like the bike to be verstile as possible with forks. I would have liked the possibility to run with a 100mm Lefty, Sid, and rigid.
    So was thinking to go with a lefty integrated HT, and in case i would like to switch for a sid or rigid there is an adapter. but will the Head tube angle of 70 deg will work ok with all 3 options?

    p.s sliding dropouts and S&S couplers (I travel a lot) are also on the menu.

    Thanks in advance!

    2. Bottom Bracket (bb30 / english thread)

    3.Head tube

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    Not knowing rider weight makes it hard to make a call..

    1. Frame stiffness is about diameter and wall thickness. A large diameter tube with thinner walls will give a more responsive feel than a smaller tube with thicker walls.

    2. No, BB30/PF30 requires a narrow shell, which means poor tyre clearance and flexy chainstay junction - far better to go BB92 for wider chainstay clearance and rigidity where you want it.

    3. Lots of info on Lefty headtube sizes / adaptors but key to HTA is length of fork, particularly if going rigid. +20mm = -1 degrees on HTA

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    My weight is 72-3 kg.

    1. I was thinking to go with the tube diameters I mentioned above with wall thickness of 0.9mm.

    2. OK I will read about BB92

    thanks for the info.

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    You weigh around what I do. Here are my plans for my Xacd bike which handles beautifully for me. I think the tube measurements are on there.

    Do you have a target weight for your frame? My frame is a little porky for a Ti frame, but it is solid without being harsh. I am fairly sure it is straight guage. The geometry on my frame with a decent length headtube and minimal manipulation should help to keep the frame from getting too flexy as well so keep that in mind when you get one made up.

    Chinese titanium frames direct-mtb44cm-29ersinglespeedlancelitch-20130225_zps78882d35.jpg

    From your weight I think your diameters are a little overkill....may be more rigidity than needed and add weight. Maybe go butted with thinner wall at that diameter. The diameters on my frame are very similar to my Quiring Ti frame, which is made for a sus fork and so has a smaller headtube. Possibly that frame is also a bit lighter and has butted tuning, not sure. They ride very similarly with the main differences coming from geometry and fork. Not stiff, but not flexy. Probably spot on for longer rides where you don't want it too harsh.

    RE BB, possibly you should base it around tyre width as mentioned, and also if you have a specific style of crank you like to use. I like a crank with lots of heel clearance and so modern cranks don't suit so I prefer Eng BB for flexibility and reliability. If you are going ultra light weight carbon you may want to see what system supports that best.

    Got no knowledge on Lefty's so can't advise, but personally I like as long a head tube as possible to allow for desired bar height. Mainly for frame handling to keep that front end solid.

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    Newest Full Suspension frame 29er Titanium WT-M483M, View full suspension frame 29er, Waltly Product Details from Waltly Titanium Technology (Xiamen) Co., Ltd. on Alibaba.com

    you guys ever seen anything like this before
    looks like it has a flex plate behind the bottom bracket
    and takes a shock at the top of the triangle, hmm
    interesting to be sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by chrisx View Post
    Newest Full Suspension frame 29er Titanium WT-M483M, View full suspension frame 29er, Waltly Product Details from Waltly Titanium Technology (Xiamen) Co., Ltd. on Alibaba.com

    you guys ever seen anything like this before
    looks like it has a flex plate behind the bottom bracket
    and takes a shock at the top of the triangle, hmm
    interesting to be sure
    Looks like a Blacksheep copy, Funk and Generic use (used?) the same design too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sbitw View Post
    Looks like a Blacksheep copy, Funk and Generic use (used?) the same design too.
    Am i seeing that right? It look like the top tube, seat tube and seat stay are all welded together. How does it pivot?
    Small ring in front makes it easier. Small ring in back makes it harder. That blows my mind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenny7 View Post
    Am i seeing that right? It look like the top tube, seat tube and seat stay are all welded together. How does it pivot?
    Although it appears that the seatstays are welded to the top tube but upon closer inspection its only welded to pivot linkage plate. Interesting design but just from visual analysis I suspect lateral play in rear triangle may be an issue. I'd love to try one though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenny7 View Post
    Am i seeing that right? It look like the top tube, seat tube and seat stay are all welded together. How does it pivot?
    There is a pivot where the seatstay attaches to the top tube. It has a little arm coming down off of the seatstay that activates the shock, which is just a piece of metal in the picture. I would assume there is a bolt on the other side of the pivot so you could take the pivot apart. Plus in the specs it claims to be foldable, and the chainstays definitely come off. The chainstays flex near the bottom bracket because they are just a flat sheet there. Titanium is the only frame material that you can design in parts that flex like this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by funnyjr View Post
    I suspect lateral play in rear triangle may be an issue. I'd love to try one though.
    I built up a Chinese ti hardtail a few years ago and the rear triangle felt like a wet noodle. I'm a rider who doesn't notice a lot of difference in thing like that. Carbon, aluminum, thru axle or whatever, but that thing felt like it was made of warm butter so I can only imagine how sloppy it would be.
    Small ring in front makes it easier. Small ring in back makes it harder. That blows my mind.

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    What is the price on these Waltly frames? It seems like I have to create log-in or order 400 units.

    I'm Alibaba illiterate, maybe that's a good thing.
    Don't hate on the minivan!!!!!!!

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    Just email waltly direct

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    I talked with Walty for a while about one of these. Initially, they said $580 + ~$160 shipping + ~4% paypal fees, but it turned out that $580 price was only if you bought multiple frames. If you just want one frame, it jumped to $950 (plus shipping, etc)

    Quote Originally Posted by GFisher2001 View Post
    What is the price on these Waltly frames? It seems like I have to create log-in or order 400 units.

    I'm Alibaba illiterate, maybe that's a good thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GFisher2001 View Post
    What is the price on these Waltly frames? It seems like I have to create log-in or order 400 units.

    I'm Alibaba illiterate, maybe that's a good thing.
    Alibaba is wholesale. Aliexpress is not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by seat_boy View Post
    I talked with Walty for a while about one of these. Initially, they said $580 + ~$160 shipping + ~4% paypal fees, but it turned out that $580 price was only if you bought multiple frames. If you just want one frame, it jumped to $950 (plus shipping, etc)

    I would think the chainstays to plate would have two bolts per side to impart more lateral stiffness? - I think it needs whatever it can get.

    I still think someone should buy one,
    Hey Walty, let GFisher2001 test ride one. Good for business !

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    I was quoted like 890, shipped, but that was over a year ago.

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    Proto2-AU29-001483-Model.pdfI think if you can communicate your needs clearly, get clear feedback and assess the CAAD drawings critically to assure there is no breakdown in communications or oopies, then you've matched the challenge and can get something nice and custom for less cash. I've been working with Sumi at Waltly to custom design a touring 29er that will hold 4 bottle cages and be comfy for 12+ hour days in the saddle.

    My needs were expressed as being based off a Muru Cycles Inaminka but with slightly lower BB and longer wheelbase for stability and able to take a firestarter fork for extra bottles or gear. When all done the frameset will handle 8 bottles! The goal is to be able to ride self supported over fire roads, mountain passes and the odd singletrack between 12-16hrs/day when I can get away from daily stresses.

    I was clear that I wouldn't throw any money down until we've OK'd a CAAD drawing, so as to limit my risk.

    Our first CAAD design was way off, designed for a bike with 140mm fork...oopsy.
    Our second CAAD is much better, with actual correct measurements except that I had asked for a top pull front derailer cable stop. They missed that. I had also asked for the top tube mounted bottlecage to be moved closer to the seat tube, but they left that as in the first drawing.

    I still think it could be worth sticking out with some patience, so it'll be round 3.
    Hopefully they also have the patience to get it right. If not, they won't get my business.

    I'll share this geo for anyone that's interested (2nd drawing).
    For background - I'm 5'11", 182lbs and will be attaching full frame bags and the handlebar touch points will sit higher than an aggressive race XC bike, comfort wise. Also means I can grab the aero position of a jones bar comfortably.

    I'd love to hear knowledgeable peoples' feedback on the consequences (trade offs/benefits) of this CAAD design for TOURING 70% fire/gravel roads, 15% road and 15% off-road. 2.1-2.3 tires treaded for hardpack. Jones loop bar for varied hand positions. Dynamo hub to generate power for GPS etc.

    I will be asking for at least 2 changes to be corrected prior to dropping a 50% deposit to build, then remainder (once I've seen some clear photos), to ship to Canada. After all is done, the frame will cost 1030us. Including 16ti m5 cage bolts and alu seat clamp - but I might ditch the clamp.

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    Looks beautiful.

    Quote Originally Posted by Acko View Post
    Waltly do great work....

    this has been going strong for 3 years and thousands of KMs now as SS Rigid, Geared Rigid and Geared w fork....






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    Cool bike! I want one now

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    Let us check back with these guys a couple years later. Plenty of time to try it out, what do you think now. I can only think about getting a 29 plus for so long. Have they got the geometry sorted out on those yet?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFqb1I-hiHE

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    anyone tried sava titanium frames?

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    Chinese titanium frames direct

    Experience w/ Waltley and Titan - both excellent frame builders.



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    my problem is shipping to philippines, customs will rape me for shipping tax, sales tax, vat, customs tax and everything or any idea how to ship from china to philippines? door to door maybe?

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    Were you satisfied with your frame? Do you know if they do tandems? Any interest in designing or giving advice on a design for a tandem like your single in a tandem? 29er plus.

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