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    Chinese carbon 29er frames?

    Is there a reason why fleabay is full of cheap 26er no-name frames from the Far East, along with road bikes, but there doesn't seem to be any availability of 29ers? How tough would it be to produce? Anyone want to start a new company?

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    search the archivesfor the past week or so... at least one company is coming with a size 17 for now. They were only planning up to a size 19 so I stopped caring.

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    Supposedly size 17.5 is available now.
    Size 16 and 19 are coming out in a couple months but dont expect to get your hands on one till the beginning of the year. (I had been corresponding over email with an very very Asian dude named Loice)

    http://www.gotobike.com.cn/

    I would be interested in importing and selling on Ebay if i could find a good deal on em. These seem to be 600 USD a piece shipped from China.

    I am getting super stoked thinking about these frames. Hopefully they hold up as well as the 26er model.
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    goodness that gotobike 29er looks good, see also AXMAN

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    did anyone order the 17.5 and ride it at least round the block?

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    Ok, next question. Why roll it out in limited sizes? Any word on time frames for bigger ones? Thanks.

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    Throw some Specialized decals on there and you're good to go...




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    for being a pretty stupid, off-topic comment
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather
    the same reason it's full of all kinds of other cheap, no-name stuff from china?
    if the frame delivery & support is like the wheels that come out of there... good luck!
    you get what you pay for, and it doesn't appear to be much.
    Are you "doing some science" here, meltingfeather?

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigsj
    Are you "doing some science" here, meltingfeather?
    nope, just offering an opinion. last i checked, that was ok. do you have anything to add or still just sniping?
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather
    nope, just offering an opinion. last i checked, that was ok. do you have anything to add or still just sniping?
    Is your opinion based on any experience or is it like your opinion on Edge rims?

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigsj
    Is your opinion based on any experience or is it like your opinion on Edge rims?
    same old story, eh?
    we've been through this, and you're not going to get me into one of your signature, off-topic, back-and-forth battles where you try and enforce some sort of morality on the internet with sophisiticaed syntax and nowhere to go.
    if you're going to freak out again i'll put you back on my ignore list.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather
    same old story, eh?
    we've been through this, and you're not going to get me into one of your signature, off-topic, back-and-forth battles where you try and enforce some sort of morality on the internet with sophisiticaed syntax and nowhere to go.
    if you're going to freak out again i'll put you back on my ignore list.
    If you had experience you would have said so. Calling you out on your ignorant BS IS contributing to the thread. I guess sometimes it is about the hype, right?

    BTW, I have purchased 5 chinese frames over time, 3 through Pedal Force and 2 direct, and have had no problems of any kind. No reason to fear these products even with their unconventional distribution.

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    I personally was pretty impressed by the quality (and durability) of the 26er version of the Ebay carbon hardtail. A friend who rides equally as hard as I do but weighs more had good luck with his for several seasons. I think he built something else up due to a knee injury or otherwise he'd still be riding it. It was light and looked to be pretty good quality. Many people are also riding the road version with great success. Since I never buy complete bikes anymore, these are a lucrative option for me. Anyway, when they come out, and come down to about the price point that the 26 inch version are at, I'll probably buy one as my "fast" bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by craigsj
    If you had experience you would have said so. Calling you out on your ignorant BS IS contributing to the thread. I guess sometimes it is about the hype, right?
    It doesn't take too discerning an intellect to see that my quick opinion is based on an experience with carbon wheels.
    An off-the-cuff assessment doesn't need any basis and an opinion can't really be "BS" unless I don't believe it myself. Of course that doesn't matter if what you want to do is jump into an off-topic tirade. You can not dispute or call BS on what something "appears to be" to me or how I value it. I know, it feels kind of silly to point out something so basic, but it puts your whole "contribution" in context.
    Quote Originally Posted by craigsj
    BTW, I have purchased 5 chinese frames over time, 3 through Pedal Force and 2 direct, and have had no problems of any kind. No reason to fear these products even with their unconventional distribution.
    Now if this had been all you had posted in this thread, how much more valuable would your contribution have been?
    If I say I don't like vanilla ice cream, would you "call BS" on that for the benefit of the world?
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather
    You can not dispute or call BS on what something "appears to be" to me or how I value it.
    Sure I can, after all you can judge the merits of Edge rims based on a ride around a parking lot on a borrowed bike. Remember?

    Besides, it's not the content of your opinion, it's the lack of experience. Not all opinions are of equal merit just because everyone feels entitled to have one. For someone who prides himself on facts over hype, one would think you would be more careful. At least the sig is gone now.
    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather
    Now if this had been all you had posted in this thread, how much more valuable would your contribution have been?
    No more valuable. My experience is simply an anecdote, but anyone with an open mind will see it is a common one. I have no point of view to push here and have no desire for my "contribution" to be "more valuable" than anyone else's, except yours.

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    laughable. it's easy to see what you're after, and it doesn't merit a response.
    all the best.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather
    laughable. it's easy to see what you're after, and it doesn't merit a response.
    all the best.
    The only thing laughable here is your opinion which is not based on experience or anything legit for that matter...just give it a rest and go away.

    In a year or two they'll be quite a few of these carbon frames floating around ebay. demand eventually creates supply.

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    There are 2 big threads on generic Chinese frames over on RBR. Both have large numbers of satisfied riders posting within.
    There are also 2 seperate threads about generic Chinese wheels. Again many happy customers.
    I have a Chinese frame myself. It is a Santa Cruz Tallboy.
    Blanket negativity about Chinese manufactured frames and wheels is simply ignorant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR
    Blanket negativity about Chinese manufactured frames and wheels is simply ignorant.
    I'd agree. I just had a bad experience with a wheelset and said if delivery and support is similar, good luck. I don't see how given the qualification, it's "blanket negativity," but I guess it doesn't matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather
    I just had a bad experience with a wheelset and said if delivery and support is similar, good luck. I don't see how given the qualification, it's "blanket negativity," but I guess it doesn't matter.
    Interesting how eager you were to make that point considering the original post.

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    I just want a link to one of these frames I can purchase now (or soon)!!
    Thanks to www.weavercycleworks.com for my awesome bike frames!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Manicmtbr
    I just want a link to one of these frames I can purchase now (or soon)!!
    http://www.gotobike.com.cn/main.asp

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    I recently got this frame. It weighed in at 2.64lbs and it looks as good if not better than the Superfly I had. I'm not in anyway saying it is better, I'm just saying it has a beefier downtube and headtube. I haven't built it up and I'm not sure I'm going to. I have frames coming out of my ears right now, so if anyone wants it for what I paid I'd probably let it go. I'll try to post pictures of it in a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1-bar
    I recently got this frame. It weighed in at 2.64lbs and it looks as good if not better than the Superfly I had. I'm not in anyway saying it is better, I'm just saying it has a beefier downtube and headtube. I haven't built it up and I'm not sure I'm going to. I have frames coming out of my ears right now, so if anyone wants it for what I paid I'd probably let it go. I'll try to post pictures of it in a bit.
    Can you PM me the price and size of the frame?

    Thanks much!
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    how about telling all of us?

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    That thing is probably made in the same factory by the same people as some big brand bikes. The Chinese are fully capable of producing the level of quality they are contracted to produce. Your chances of being satisfied with that frame are just as good as if you bought Specialized, Giant or whoever.

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    It was 3 weeks and $640 to my door. Just think how much more it would be if it was actually branded...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1-bar
    It was 3 weeks and $640 to my door.
    awesome...thanks.

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    Great price!
    How many frames do you have? I mean...not an exact number, but you do have several right?
    And what size are them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 1-bar
    It was 3 weeks and $640 to my door. Just think how much more it would be if it was actually branded...
    How is the tyre clearance? does it at least fit a 2.25 ralph without rub issues?

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    Syl3- I'm sure a 2.25 would fit.

    DHbomber- I'm not a reseller, I just bought one frame in a medium size 17.5", ett 23.3, cs, 17.5, HA 71.5. It's a beautiful frame, I just happen to have to many bikes right now to build it up which is why I'd consider selling it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by craigsj
    Interesting how eager you were to make that point considering the original post.

    "you get what you pay for, and it doesn't appear to be much." - meltingfeather's free advice
    Yeah, definitely interesting. You showed me. Thanks, craig. I just can't believe how valiant and virtuous you are, protecting the internet from villains like me. The response to your efforts shows a consensus of gratefulness.
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather
    The response to your efforts shows a consensus of gratefulness.
    Unlike you, I don't play to the crowd. It would appear, though, the consensus is that you should take your FUD elsewhere.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigsj
    Unlike you, I don't play to the crowd.
    Do you actually believe this stuff or you just craft it for the effect?
    Quote Originally Posted by craigsj
    It would appear, though, the consensus is that you should take your FUD elsewhere.
    Don't know what FUD is, but apparently my experience isn't the norm and can't be extrapolated to frames. Fair enough. It was an off-the-cuff remark based on an experience I alluded to, and while I don't care whether or not you think I should be careful based on what you ignorantly speculate that I'm proud of, I can accept that.
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    Hey, I will pile on here too!
    I think the engineer here should be given a bumper sticker that says:

    THOSE PEOPLE WHO THINK THEY KNOW IT ALL, REALLY ANNOY THOSE OF US WHO DO!

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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather
    Don't know what FUD is, but apparently my experience isn't the norm and can't be extrapolated to frames.
    You don't seem to have any experience and what you do have related to wheels can't be extrapolated to anything.

    Your assumption is that because two products are made in the same country out of the same base material that they share some kind of similar build quality. Uhhh.... Since when does that apply to anything? That's like saying "I bought an American made Chevrolet car and it's paint faded and rusted away; therefore, all American made cars, trucks, vans, buses and motorcycles must be of similar poor quality."

    What if this is literally an unbranded Specialized frame? In reality there aren't many facilities that can even produce a carbon bike frame in quantity. A handful at best. Do you really think that given the price of raw materials alone that there would actually be that significant of a quality control between a Giant, Specialized, Scott, Trek, etc. that are also all produced in the same factory?

    It would cost more to let quality control slip for the one unbranded frame and then raise it back up for the branded frames again than it would to always maintain the same quality control level. Despite the number of horror stories flying about the net of Chinese carbon bikes with saw dust and card board fillers, I have yet to actually see one of these frames.

    What is obvious is that your "opinion" has absolutely zero merit and you don't understand economics or manufacturing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTR-33
    You don't seem to have any experience and what you do have related to wheels can't be extrapolated to anything. Your assumption is that because two products are made in the same country out of the same base material that they share some kind of similar build quality. Uhhh.... Since when does that apply to anything? That's like saying "I bought an American made Chevrolet car and it's paint faded and rusted away; therefore, all American made cars, trucks, vans, buses and motorcycles must be of similar poor quality."
    I think you're taking it a bit far with what I assumed. I deleted the comment because it was stupid. I really didn't mean to convey a blanket negativity of Chinese-manufactured carbon parts. It was an off-the-cuff remark based on a bad experience and it was dumb. Sorry. I deleted it.
    Quote Originally Posted by GTR-33
    What if this is literally an unbranded Specialized frame? In reality there aren't many facilities that can even produce a carbon bike frame in quantity. A handful at best. Do you really think that given the price of raw materials alone that there would actually be that significant of a quality control between a Giant, Specialized, Scott, Trek, etc. that are also all produced in the same factory?
    It very well could be, though it looks like it came from a different mold, but the gist of what you're saying is what matters and I agree.
    Quote Originally Posted by GTR-33
    It would cost more to let quality control slip for the one unbranded frame and then raise it back up for the branded frames again than it would to always maintain the same quality control level. Despite the number of horror stories flying about the net of Chinese carbon bikes with saw dust and card board fillers, I have yet to actually see one of these frames. What is obvious is that your "opinion" has absolutely zero merit and you don't understand economics or manufacturing.
    I wouldn't go that far.
    The comment was meritless and stupid, and I'll own that. Going beyond that is baseless speculation and I've seen you around enough to know that you know I know a bit about manufacturing and economics, however little.
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    Any idea on the effective TT of the 17.5inch frame?

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    Dang...

    Quote Originally Posted by Scott O
    Is there a reason why fleabay is full of cheap 26er no-name frames from the Far East, along with road bikes, but there doesn't seem to be any availability of 29ers? How tough would it be to produce? Anyone want to start a new company?
    I'm as much of a 'Made in USA' kinda guy as I can be, but I might plunk down for one. I wanna build a budget light hardtail for racing. I loved my Access.

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    My concern is that since fabrication of CF components is labor intensive (otherwise, why would you be doing it in a low-cost labor country?) Why wouldn't the lower dollar frames be manufactured with a layup schedule that requires less work (and consequently less durable)? Also, one of the things that you're paying for with a "name brand" CF frame is that the vendor will do secondary QC inspections to verify that what comes out of the factory is what they spec'ed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1-bar
    Syl3- I'm sure a 2.25 would fit.

    DHbomber- I'm not a reseller, I just bought one frame in a medium size 17.5", ett 23.3, cs, 17.5, HA 71.5. It's a beautiful frame, I just happen to have to many bikes right now to build it up which is why I'd consider selling it.
    Oooohh! I'm sorry! I thought you had a lot of these frames...haha my mistake!
    Anyway...I need a large (it's for my dad) so thanks much! Thanks for the info!
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    Quote Originally Posted by pieterp
    Any idea on the effective TT of the 17.5inch frame?
    5924mm

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    I think you missed a decimal place

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    5924mm

    Cause that is almost 19.5 feet.

    If you make one with a 620mm eTT, I'm there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpbot
    I'm as much of a 'Made in USA' kinda guy as I can be, but I might plunk down for one. I wanna build a budget light hardtail for racing. I loved my Access.
    Performance is testing an Access carbon frame. For me that would be that way to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpbot
    Cause that is almost 19.5 feet.

    If you make one with a 620mm eTT, I'm there.
    Oops That must be the xl ! Better move the decimal point one place....

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1-bar
    Syl3- I'm sure a 2.25 would fit.

    DHbomber- I'm not a reseller, I just bought one frame in a medium size 17.5", ett 23.3, cs, 17.5, HA 71.5. It's a beautiful frame, I just happen to have to many bikes right now to build it up which is why I'd consider selling it.
    Do u still have this frame? Take it top tube is around 23.4?what is ur opinion. Get oNe of these or get the giant xtc 29er
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    Quote Originally Posted by Minimalist
    Performance is testing an Access carbon frame. For me that would be that way to go.

    really? where did you get that info?
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