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    Anyone think I would run into issues running a FOX 32 TALAS 29 FIT RLC on the Hong-Fu HF053 frame?

    It has 120mm of travel, but can be switched to 95mm with the TALAS system. I found a killer deal on one last night and pulled the gun...but I can get a standard 100mm Float if this is going to risk damaging the frame or ruining the geometry/ride characteristics.

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    Hi, I believe the frames geometry is designed around running a fork with 80 - 100 mm travel. I guess running your TALAS at 120 would be at your own risk. But then again ordering any carbon frame from china is at your own risk anyways since warranty does not really exist in that most buyers probably wont bother to ship something back to China for warranty when the cost of shipping is nearly half of what the frame was bought for in the first place. Asides from that,

    The 120mm setting on the TALAS will ultimately put more stress on your headtube, whether or not the HongFu headtube can handle this stress, no one knows. Alot of factors come into play such as riders weight, how aggressive you ride all come into play so it is impossible to tell if or when the headtube will be gameover. Perhaps it never will. Your seat tube angle would be more slack aswell so more stress on the seat tube. I would just stick with max 100mm fork.

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    So how does the paint thing work with these companies? I've been going through this and the RBR bike threads, and while I'm seeing a few bikes that people have had painted in China, I haven't been able to find any descriptions of the process - does the internet contact person just send you a vector file to do you design on, and then you go from there, based on how involved your desgin is? Are there any other restrictions (besides copyrighted material, I assume) in what you can have them do, or is it dependent on the manufacturer?

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    I don't think there's any copyright issues, just taste issues.

    Ask them about it, but I think people were basically drawing things up in Photoshop from what it seemed and then the bike manufacturer had someone email back a photoshopped photo of what they'll do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCS5280 View Post
    Anyone think I would run into issues running a FOX 32 TALAS 29 FIT RLC on the Hong-Fu HF053 frame?

    It has 120mm of travel, but can be switched to 95mm with the TALAS system. I found a killer deal on one last night and pulled the gun...but I can get a standard 100mm Float if this is going to risk damaging the frame or ruining the geometry/ride characteristics.

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    FunnyJR is right on about this.
    But how much do you weigh and what size frame ?
    I am a lightweight on a size medium and will be putting a multi stage fork on it. for descending at 120 climbing at 100, but my descents are rather dainty compared to allot of you guys. Otherwise.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCS5280 View Post
    Anyone think I would run into issues running a FOX 32 TALAS 29 FIT RLC on the Hong-Fu HF053 frame?

    It has 120mm of travel, but can be switched to 95mm with the TALAS system. I found a killer deal on one last night and pulled the gun...but I can get a standard 100mm Float if this is going to risk damaging the frame or ruining the geometry/ride characteristics.

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    FunnyJR is right on about this.
    But how much do you weigh and what size frame ? Why would the ride characteristics be messed up if you can change them to within spec depending on what type of terrain you are on ?
    I am a lightweight on a size medium and will be putting a multi stage fork on it. for descending at 120 climbing at 100, but my descents are rather dainty compared to allot of you guys. Otherwise.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by glovemtb View Post
    FunnyJR is right on about this.
    But how much do you weigh and what size frame ? Why would the ride characteristics be messed up if you can change them to within spec depending on what type of terrain you are on ?
    I am a lightweight on a size medium and will be putting a multi stage fork on it. for descending at 120 climbing at 100, but my descents are rather dainty compared to allot of you guys. Otherwise.....

    It's going to be on a 19" frame. I'm probably 155lbs with all my gear on my back. My concern is the change in ride characteristics/loading conditions when the 120mm mode is engaged.

    I think I will experiment with both TALAS settings and if it has adverse effects in 120mm mode, I will ride strictly 95mm. I just hope the fork performance is consistent at both settings. I got an amazing deal on the TALAS fork, and to go to a 100mm regular float would cost me about 180 bucks, so I don't think the change would be worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCS5280 View Post
    It's going to be on a 19" frame. I'm probably 155lbs with all my gear on my back. My concern is the change in ride characteristics/loading conditions when the 120mm mode is engaged.

    I think I will experiment with both TALAS settings and if it has adverse effects in 120mm mode, I will ride strictly 95mm. I just hope the fork performance is consistent at both settings. I got an amazing deal on the TALAS fork, and to go to a 100mm regular float would cost me about 180 bucks, so I don't think the change would be worth it.
    I've also found some 120mm cheaper than just the straight 100mm. If you don't engage the 120 at all then your basically just running a 100mm and it shouldn't have any adverse effect on the bike, what I be correct in thinking that?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCS5280 View Post
    It's going to be on a 19" frame. I'm probably 155lbs with all my gear on my back. My concern is the change in ride characteristics/loading conditions when the 120mm mode is engaged.

    I think I will experiment with both TALAS settings and if it has adverse effects in 120mm mode, I will ride strictly 95mm. I just hope the fork performance is consistent at both settings. I got an amazing deal on the TALAS fork, and to go to a 100mm regular float would cost me about 180 bucks, so I don't think the change would be worth it.
    155 lbs on a 19 ? Naw, man you are good to go then. You won't do anything wrong if you try it at 120mm on the long downhills and just leave short the rest of the time or depending on conditions or courses run 120mm and slacken the 71.5 head angle and raise the bb/pedal clearance for some courses.
    I am pretty finicky about handling of my bikes (I am running an angleset on my Tallboy to get the exact head angle I was looking for), I run 2 and 3 stage forks all the time so I can adjust for conditions and never notice any big scary discrepancy in handling.

    As long as you have the clearance (a tire hitting the down tube is a catastrophic event. I would let the air out of fork and check tire clearance at both settings. (I don't mean to suggest that a longer setting will do that it, I just always check that cause of all the wild setups I run. tip: if you run a multi-angle headset, it would be something to check on the steeper setting. )
    It's the leverage rates for the longer fork more than anything.

    If you take a look at my guided tour video of the frame (see my previous pathetic rambling post) you can see that the downtube is fairly beefy down tube on that frame.
    Your fork is tapered right ? I mean why would you buy a brand new straight 1&8th for a tapered head tube.
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    Quote Originally Posted by glovemtb View Post
    155 lbs on a 19 ? Naw, man you are good to go then. You won't do anything wrong if you try it at 120mm on the long downhills and just leave short the rest of the time or depending on conditions or courses run 120mm and slacken the 71.5 head angle and raise the bb/pedal clearance for some courses.
    I am pretty finicky about handling of my bikes (I am running an angleset on my Tallboy to get the exact head angle I was looking for), I run 2 and 3 stage forks all the time so I can adjust for conditions and never notice any big scary discrepancy in handling.

    As long as you have the clearance (a tire hitting the down tube is a catastrophic event. I would let the air out of fork and check tire clearance at both settings. (I don't mean to suggest that a longer setting will do that it, I just always check that cause of all the wild setups I run. tip: if you run a multi-angle headset, it would be something to check on the steeper setting. )
    It's the leverage rates for the longer fork more than anything.

    If you take a look at my guided tour video of the frame (see my previous pathetic rambling post) you can see that the downtube is fairly beefy down tube on that frame.
    Your fork is tapered right ? I mean why would you buy a brand new straight 1&8th for a tapered head tube.
    The fork is tapered with a 15qr thru axle. I can't wait to get all my stuff here so I can start building. It looks like I'll have all my stuff before the frame arrives. My wallet hates me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Intense01 View Post
    I ordered a matte carbon 12k finish frame from Jenny at Hong Fu on May 13th. She keeps delaying the ship date. Anyone else ever experience this with them? She said I would have it by the end of May and now she says it won't ship until the 6th. IT isn't a huge deal but I don't want my Paypal refund window to close if I don't get what I ordered.

    Anyone who has ordered from Jenny please chime in. Thank you.
    Intense01 - Have you received word on your frame order yet?
    Mine supposedly shipped but appears to have not left Chania yet after a week!
    Getting a little impatient
    Curious how you are doing with your order

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCS5280 View Post
    The fork is tapered with a 15qr thru axle. I can't wait to get all my stuff here so I can start building. It looks like I'll have all my stuff before the frame arrives. My wallet hates me.
    Very cool. Sooner or later I will get a tapered when I order a new one.

    My frame was 7 days from shipper to the south east usa.

    Update on build:
    They do pretty damn good craftsmanship. Every bit as nice as the big boys carbon frames I have had (over 25 years quite a few ). Alignment looks good, cable guides & stops all perfect, threads don't need taping, headset cups perfect (see my previous post on cup depth), nice touch of a water drain hole at the bottom of the frame (even though once you build and add fork it is not far enough down for my liking). Brake post mount tab alignment good. (brake pm threads look good probably be good to watch your torque on those as usual but maybe more so.)
    Only thing I have had to do was align the hanger. (fairly stout hanger btw.)
    3k wraps show some very slight layup angle imperfections but the absolutely perfect matte paint job hides it well.
    I guess if I had one wish it would be for a bit thicker seat stays even though they are the thickest of the current batch of 29er clones. (I am not looking for the flex stays like one of the models of the dengfu and others build in to the mountain bikes as I have a FS bike already.) IMHO I have never liked flex stays, or break away stays....
    Only other complaint is they sent me 3k by accident and I guess they thought was okay because that is their lightest weave and really an upgrade. Actually I wanted the 12k for "maybe" a little burlier outer layer.
    That is the only rub with the "Chinese Connection", is if they don't get the order correct......with the shipping distance it is a wait for the corrections. So you face the same problem if you have an issue like a carbon crack or something. (another good reason to watch those ultra-thin flex-seat stays on some models)
    (Many times Trek had a new bike in the mail to me while my frame with the issue had just gotten to the dealer. Once I only lost 2 days ride time.)

    But HungFu does some quality work and delivers an awesome deal for the price.
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    yikes, computer has gone haywire.

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    A friend and I ordered frames and accessories from Dengfu. Tony threw in 2 free hangers ($4 value haha).

    Paypaled on 6/15, items shipped 6/18. EMS to CA should take a few days. Will update once everything comes in.
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    Shouldn't the Paypay charge @ .37% be only $4.18?

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    I thought it was 3.7%. Maybe its a typo?

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    Wow got my 4 frames in amazing at $320 each 2 matte black and 2 gloss painted 26" frames gonna be a nice fun build so amzingly light these look to be OCLV, not a defect on them if you told me these were Scott frames or Canondale carbon I would believe you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lachstar2 View Post
    I thought it was 3.7%. Maybe its a typo?
    That would be $41.81.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ice Cold View Post
    Wow got my 4 frames in amazing at $320 each 2 matte black and 2 gloss painted 26" frames gonna be a nice fun build so amzingly light these look to be OCLV, not a defect on them if you told me these were Scott frames or Canondale carbon I would believe you.
    Yes you did and we're still waiting for you to answer rubberhoe's question in post #695, where did you get them from?

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    Oh well, I might as well be the first to break the frame.

    I did a two day race this weekend. And I think I hit a rock or something, a lot of running because of muddy conditions. The seat stay broke about 3/4 around in a circle on the first day. I put my tirelevers on the top- and downside of the stay, and then duct taped the hell out of it. In was fine on the second race day.

    I will post pictures later today

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim311 View Post
    Buy from China... CRUSH THE AMERICAN DREAM



    RIP democracy, some dudes are buying things from other countries.

    Not to take this thread off topic but that is a ridiculously oversimplified take on a very complicated topic. The American dream has been crushed more by tax cuts that benefit the ultra rich and increase globalization without benefiting the average American.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabbitized View Post
    Oh well, I might as well be the first to break the frame.

    I did a two day race this weekend. And I think I hit a rock or something, a lot of running because of muddy conditions. The seat stay broke about 3/4 around in a circle on the first day. I put my tirelevers on the top- and downside of the stay, and then duct taped the hell out of it. In was fine on the second race day.

    I will post pictures later today
    How long have you had the frame and who did you buy it from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    That would be $41.81.
    I know, just remember when I brought a 26" frame from dengfu it was 3.7%. Not sure why it's different.

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    Hi!

    Is there any chinese FS 29er frames available?

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    White mat carbon frame

    Has anyone ordered white mat carbon frame from Hong Fu or from Goto Bike?
    Hong Fu offers it, but they don´t have pictures.
    "Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride"

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    Ordered a 29" frame from yybikes in UD finish

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabbitized View Post
    Oh well, I might as well be the first to break the frame.

    I did a two day race this weekend. And I think I hit a rock or something, a lot of running because of muddy conditions. The seat stay broke about 3/4 around in a circle on the first day. I put my tirelevers on the top- and downside of the stay, and then duct taped the hell out of it. In was fine on the second race day.

    I will post pictures later today

    Sorry to hear that your frame gave out but I thought those seat stays looked a bit thin when I first saw pics of your frame. Did it take much to snap the seat stay? do you remember exactly at what point the seat stay gave out? like were you taking a drop or something? what china dealer did the frame come from?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kibsen View Post
    Ordered a 29" frame from yybikes in UD finish
    Was it white and matte? Could You post pictures please?
    "Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rabbitized View Post
    Oh well, I might as well be the first to break the frame.

    I did a two day race this weekend. And I think I hit a rock or something, a lot of running because of muddy conditions. The seat stay broke about 3/4 around in a circle on the first day. I put my tirelevers on the top- and downside of the stay, and then duct taped the hell out of it. In was fine on the second race day.

    I will post pictures later today
    That is a bummer... any reason you can think of why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by funnyjr View Post
    Sorry to hear that your frame gave out but I thought those seat stays looked a bit thin when I first saw pics of your frame. Did it take much to snap the seat stay? do you remember exactly at what point the seat stay gave out? like were you taking a drop or something? what china dealer did the frame come from?
    Reading back through the thread it looks like he had an LTK023 from LT Bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCS5280 View Post
    Reading back through the thread it looks like he had an LTK023 from LT Bikes.
    Hmm that's the one I'm thinking of getting...The LTK023 from LT Bikes.

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    The seat stays on the internal routing frames look a lot thinner than the non internal routing frames.

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    Here is a post with some pics of the differences.
    I won't tangent on flex stays anymore.
    Just to say I know the big big kahuna's like Scott & Canny probably spend allot of R&D time figuring out the fatigue cycles their designed "suspension" stays can go thru....
    Completely Different and New Chinese Carbon 29er Frames On Ebay

    Quote Originally Posted by ghawk View Post
    It certainly looks quite different. Also, gotobikes now is offering internal cable routing and bb30.

    Be careful if you are not looking for 29er "flex stays" that is designed into many companies models for instance. http://www.bikeradar.com/news/articl...-review-26798/
    (any similarity in the seat stays on the scott and the frames at bottom left ?


    I personally am looking for a hardtail that minimizing flex for my application. ynmv

    I am not sure that the distinction has really been made clear in some of the chinese/taiwan/etc frames that are now showing up.
    The picture of course could be deceiving so imho and just guessing.

    see on the left vs on the far right.
    Remember this is all speculation as the chinese clone makers have not cleary stated in ads for their frames those stays are designed to flex.
    Flex stays are nothing new, they have been around for many years Trek (the old TopFuel suspension), Canny (many models) etc.
    http://mtbnnetwork.blogspot.com/2007...rbon-flex.html
    Now the bikes in the above links are a VERY different kinda flex (chain stays flex the most in those bikes) than the little bit of flex designed into allot of the 29ers out now.
    I will say though, I would imagine just making a thin seat stay by copying a design may not be the best way to "design" a little flexion in. imho.


    Also, you are gonna have stays break no matter what. Sometimes there are just failures. Just ask anyone who has ever ridden a jet9...okay, now that was uncalled for.
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    if anyone will break one it will be me lol Im sure if its going to break it will be the first ride as im a Clyde
    Im 1 step closer as my homebrew chainrings came today... so hot
    just need the Beer BB to turn up now
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    Just want to inform everyone NOT TO BUY FROM DENGFU!!!

    This guy is bullshittting saying he never got the payment...

    i suggest you report this news to police.
    also can you send me news who send your the tracking number?
    i never send your tracking number.
    because i have not receive your payment so i have not shipping those frame.

    can you have my email address?
    i think this is cogged website.
    i am really have not send you email.
    just i check all email again.

    A PayPal disputes been opened and the payment was made with an Amex via PayPal.

    Anyone know what else to do to get the money back faster?

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    Probably placing an order with DengFu tonight. I previously ordered my road bike from them (and received it under a week). I dealt with Mina but my paypal was to Tony.

    Who were you dealing with and where did yous end your paypal payment?

    Are you cutting/pasting what they said to you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rubberhoe View Post
    Just want to inform everyone NOT TO BUY FROM DENGFU!!!

    This guy is bullshittting saying he never got the payment...

    i suggest you report this news to police.
    also can you send me news who send your the tracking number?
    i never send your tracking number.
    because i have not receive your payment so i have not shipping those frame.

    can you have my email address?
    i think this is cogged website.
    i am really have not send you email.
    just i check all email again.

    A PayPal disputes been opened and the payment was made with an Amex via PayPal.

    Anyone know what else to do to get the money back faster?

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    @steve

    Dealt with Tony the whole way. Yes it is copy paste of his email.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rubberhoe View Post
    Just want to inform everyone NOT TO BUY FROM DENGFU!!!

    This guy is bullshittting saying he never got the payment...

    i suggest you report this news to police.
    also can you send me news who send your the tracking number?
    i never send your tracking number.
    because i have not receive your payment so i have not shipping those frame.

    can you have my email address?
    i think this is cogged website.
    i am really have not send you email.
    just i check all email again.

    A PayPal disputes been opened and the payment was made with an Amex via PayPal.

    Anyone know what else to do to get the money back faster?
    also open a dispute with AMEX immediately!!!

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    Has anyone decided on a seatpost for their HF053 from Hong Fu?

    Based on the drawings I got, it appears to accept a 34.9mm post. Does anyone know of something decent (preferably carbon) that won't break the bank?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCS5280 View Post
    Has anyone decided on a seatpost for their HF053 from Hong Fu?

    Based on the drawings I got, it appears to accept a 34.9mm post. Does anyone know of something decent (preferably carbon) that won't break the bank?
    Hong-Fu frames take a 31.6 seat post. It's on their drawings, clearly marked on the seat post tube.

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    @Satanpez, got your PM but I can't reply since I dont have more than 15 posts. PM me your email addy.

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    Just received my frame from Hong-fu. I ordered this on Tues June 14 and rec'd it on Tues June 21. I got a matte black 19 and it looks good. The cable guides are a little wacky in that they are somewhat on the lower sides of the top tube and are fairly large. I can deal with it-I just haven't seen this before (or at least I've never noticed this particular positioning).

    The packing was very good and I was surprised at how light the box was when it was delivered.

    Build will start soon.
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    Call AMEX. Things will go much faster for you...


    Quote Originally Posted by rubberhoe View Post
    Just want to inform everyone NOT TO BUY FROM DENGFU!!!

    This guy is bullshittting saying he never got the payment...

    i suggest you report this news to police.
    also can you send me news who send your the tracking number?
    i never send your tracking number.
    because i have not receive your payment so i have not shipping those frame.

    can you have my email address?
    i think this is cogged website.
    i am really have not send you email.
    just i check all email again.

    A PayPal disputes been opened and the payment was made with an Amex via PayPal.

    Anyone know what else to do to get the money back faster?

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    PayPal just refunded the money. They said the seller agreed to a refund. Which is weird since Dengfu said they had no record of receiving payment.

    I'll be placing an order with Hongfu soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MCS5280 View Post
    Has anyone decided on a seatpost for their HF053 from Hong Fu?

    Based on the drawings I got, it appears to accept a 34.9mm post. Does anyone know of something decent (preferably carbon) that won't break the bank?
    The clamp should be 34.9mm.

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    Hi,
    Could you please link me to the frame you purchased?
    I"m 6' tall / 210 lbs ... guess the 19" is about my size, huh?

    this will be my first 29er.


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    Just received my frame from Hong-fu. I ordered this on Tues June 14 and rec'd it on Tues June 21. I got a matte black 19 and it looks good. The cable guides are a little wacky in that they are somewhat on the lower sides of the top tube and are fairly large. I can deal with it-I just haven't seen this before (or at least I've never noticed this particular positioning).

    The packing was very good and I was surprised at how light the box was when it was delivered.

    Build will start soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nath8 View Post
    Hong-Fu frames take a 31.6 seat post. It's on their drawings, clearly marked on the seat post tube.
    My bad...guess I was looking at the seatpost clamp dimension.

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    Yo Dengfu hooked me up, $320 4 26" carbon frames took them to LBS, compared them to some Carbon Scott and Carbon Cannondale frames they are just as good OCLV 2 matte and 2 gloss black painted, of course I was carefull and fully expected to get ripped off I took safety precautions. But I did not shipping was great.

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    I can't post links due to my post count, but just google it...."hongfu bikes" should be enough to get you there

    I'm a little taller and about the same weight. 19 should be a good fit.


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    Hi,
    Could you please link me to the frame you purchased?
    I"m 6' tall / 210 lbs ... guess the 19" is about my size, huh?

    this will be my first 29er.


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    Hi!

    I have two questions!

    1) Have you guys figured out where all those chinese copys originally came from, someone guessed specialized, is that correct?

    2) Is there any cheap FS 29er frames available from china yet? Or have you any guess then it might show up?

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    Quote Originally Posted by twang55 View Post
    Just received my frame from Hong-fu. I ordered this on Tues June 14 and rec'd it on Tues June 21. I got a matte black 19 and it looks good. The cable guides are a little wacky in that they are somewhat on the lower sides of the top tube and are fairly large. I can deal with it-I just haven't seen this before (or at least I've never noticed this particular positioning).

    The packing was very good and I was surprised at how light the box was when it was delivered.

    Build will start soon.
    I was surprised the were not run along the top.
    My cables kinda hit the bottom of the head tube (no catching but they are a bit low.)
    The good news is in an emergency dismount straddling the toptube you don't rack yourself up on cable guides. (Had several bikes before with top runs with that issue in the past.)
    Also, if you run a waterbottle cage on the seat tube a taller bottle is hard to get out. I used a Profile Stryke Kage cause they are cheap, light and you can pull the bottle easily out at an extreme angle as the clamp gives easily pulling sideways. (Usually use alum cages so I can push tighten them down tight on the bottles to prevent water bottle grenades.)

    glove wrote:
    Also, you are gonna have stays break no matter what. Sometimes there are just failures. Just ask anyone who has ever ridden a jet9...okay, now that was uncalled for.
    http://singletrack.competitor.com/20...9-carbon_17523
    Now it comes in carbon !

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    Wait a second this isnt a 29er! :0) my bike i thought id share any way. i bought a 26 from go to bike mentioned on here since i have all parts already and didnt want to invest in 29" stuff untill i was sure the frame was solid. and let me tell you this frame is solid! im definitely going 29 when the time comes. But for now the 26" rocks!

    <a href="http://s222.photobucket.com/albums/dd21/MENUSK/?action=view&amp;current=IMG_0039.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd21/MENUSK/IMG_0039.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

    p.s. i know its not a specialized it just looked naked without any stickers

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    Yeah looks identical to my 26"

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    Quote Originally Posted by menusk View Post
    Wait a second this isnt a 29er! :0) my bike i thought id share any way. i bought a 26 from go to bike mentioned on here since i have all parts already and didnt want to invest in 29" stuff untill i was sure the frame was solid. and let me tell you this frame is solid! im definitely going 29 when the time comes. But for now the 26" rocks!

    <a href="http://s222.photobucket.com/albums/dd21/MENUSK/?action=view&amp;current=IMG_0039.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd21/MENUSK/IMG_0039.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

    p.s. i know its not a specialized it just looked naked without any stickers
    I just bought almost the identical frame - I tiny bit different looking but has that "swoop" on the downtube. Just bought a Reba with U-Turn for mine - what Rockshox do you have on yours? What is your opinion so far on riding the bike on some really rough terrain? Not droppers or anything just really rocky and just destroys your body (and bike) type of terrain.

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    haha looks better than a Specialized IMO!

    Sorry to hijack the thread a little bit, but any of you guys have the 26" frame from hong fu?? Model # HF-FM016...If so, can you PM the details or a pic? Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by menusk View Post
    Wait a second this isnt a 29er! :0) my bike i thought id share any way. i bought a 26 from go to bike mentioned on here since i have all parts already and didnt want to invest in 29" stuff untill i was sure the frame was solid. and let me tell you this frame is solid! im definitely going 29 when the time comes. But for now the 26" rocks!

    <a href="http://s222.photobucket.com/albums/dd21/MENUSK/?action=view&amp;current=IMG_0039.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd21/MENUSK/IMG_0039.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

    p.s. i know its not a specialized it just looked naked without any stickers



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    Quote Originally Posted by menusk View Post
    Wait a second this isnt a 29er! :0) my bike i thought id share any way. i bought a 26 from go to bike mentioned on here since i have all parts already and didnt want to invest in 29" stuff untill i was sure the frame was solid. and let me tell you this frame is solid! im definitely going 29 when the time comes. But for now the 26" rocks!



    p.s. i know its not a specialized it just looked naked without any stickers

    Specialized's attorneys will be calling you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qdawgg View Post
    I just bought almost the identical frame - I tiny bit different looking but has that "swoop" on the downtube. Just bought a Reba with U-Turn for mine - what Rockshox do you have on yours? What is your opinion so far on riding the bike on some really rough terrain? Not droppers or anything just really rocky and just destroys your body (and bike) type of terrain.
    its a rockshox sid race and yea its still a hardtail even though its carbon it still makes my butt bone hurt. but definitely more forgiving then my aluminum bike.

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    Kids /\ This is the very definition of Poseur.............
    ahhaha i will poseur away. geesh no sense of humor, kind of ironic since were buying bootleg designs from china for hundreds of dollars but the ten dollar stickers that are obviously fake in person threw you over the edge haha i admitted it wasnt specialized in my first post. if it makes you feel better i own a real yeti and a santa cruz.
    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    Specialized's attorneys will be calling you.
    haha if they do i will give the forum a play by play of the call for entertainment purposes i promise as that would be really interesting.

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    Hi,
    I found another 29er frame, which probably hasn´t been mentioned in this thread (but maybe I just didn´t notice). The manufacturer is Xiamen Carbonal.
    The frame looks similar to LTK023, but there are many differences (hooked down tube, external rear brake cable guides, but internal routing for both derailleurs). And they also have the 26" frame, which is the same, only the down tube is straight.
    What is your opinion about it?
    Does anyone have it or did anyone e-mailed them for pricing, geometry etc.?

    I cannot post links due to post count, but you can easily google it..."xiamen carbonal"

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    For those who've dealt with Hong Fu, do you remember what their PayPal address was?

    I don't feel like getting scammed again. Jenny also just said "I do not know if that's my mailbox have problem. so I send email to you via this mailbox." and replied with a different email address.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rubberhoe View Post
    For those who've dealt with Hong Fu, do you remember what their PayPal address was?

    I don't feel like getting scammed again. Jenny also just said "I do not know if that's my mailbox have problem. so I send email to you via this mailbox." and replied with a different email address.
    The email I dealt with was: jenny8088@126.com

    Paypal address was: ayi998@126.com

    My frame hasn't shipped yet, but I think I talked to the correct Jenny...

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    The email I was dealing with was jenny8088@126.com until she replied this "I do not know if that's my mailbox have problem. so I send email to you via this mailbox." from a different email address, hongfubikes@126.com

    But the PayPal address is the same as above, ayi998@126.com.

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    I just took my new Hongfu frame to a bike tech who was impressed with the quality immediately. My intention was to transfer parts from my current ride to this new frame. The tech calls me and tells me that my Reba SL will not fit and that I will need a new fork.

    Has anyone put a Reba on their Hongfu yet? What did ou have to do to get it to fit?

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    The Hongfu has a tapered head. Is your Reba straight 1 1/8? I've read in the threads you can buy a reducer. That's what I've done now I'm just waiting for the frame.

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    Where did you get your reducer?

    Quote Originally Posted by rubberhoe View Post
    The Hongfu has a tapered head. Is your Reba straight 1 1/8? I've read in the threads you can buy a reducer. That's what I've done now I'm just waiting for the frame.

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    Does anyone know who Niner is using to build their carbon Air 9 frame? I’m looking for a frame that looks like a Trek Superfly or an Air 9.

    I want a frame w/ a tapering head tube, BB30 BB, and a matt carbon finish.
    www.29er918.blogspot.com

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    Quote Originally Posted by twang55 View Post
    Where did you get your reducer?
    you can buy a reducer headset directly from Cane Creek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 9-18 Fast View Post
    Does anyone know who Niner is using to build their carbon Air 9 frame? I’m looking for a frame that looks like a Trek Superfly or an Air 9.

    I want a frame w/ a tapering head tube, BB30 BB, and a matt carbon finish.
    That's funny! That's called a trade secret. I guarantee not more then a couple people, even in the Niner company know the answer to that question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daves4mtb View Post
    I ordered one of the hong fu frames. Got in one week.

    It looks great except for one thing. By the bottom bracket on the left side are two nasty surface scratches, both of which terminate at the bottom bracket. I was very careful with the packing material to be sure I didn't scratch it when I unpacked it.

    I am now wondering if this will potentially weaken it given the stresses that go through a bottom bracket. Very disappointing. Anyone with knowledge of carbon fiber have any thoughts on this?
    I assume you JUST got it ?
    Looks like surface scratch only. Regardless I would contact Jenny immediately and make them send you a new frame right away with a shipping label to send that one back. Don't let them screw around with you. Send email and if not returned send another within a day.
    When I had a problem all of the sudden they were not quite as responsive as before so I raised heck and then got the response I needed.
    Let us know how it goes. It's when there are problems that the real stories are told.
    Any consolation I have been very happy with this frame. Good luck.

    Quote Originally Posted by twang55 View Post
    I just took my new Hongfu frame to a bike tech who was impressed with the quality immediately. My intention was to transfer parts from my current ride to this new frame. The tech calls me and tells me that my Reba SL will not fit and that I will need a new fork.

    Has anyone put a Reba on their Hongfu yet? What did ou have to do to get it to fit?
    Read this thread history a couple of pages for info you need.
    I had a Reba SL 29 U-turn in stock so I just checked it. It looked okay to me. (I looked at knob clearance etc.)
    Maybe he is just talking about the tapered head tube. If you have their headset, just use the 110 crown race reducer from cane creek mentioned previously in this thread. It was 10 dollars.
    Or also mentioned previously just order the 15 dollar headset from them for the perfect bearing height and with the crown race reducer you are done at around 25 bucks. If you have no idea what I am talking about just let the bike shop do it with a reducer headset or better yet to get the most performance out of this great bike deal get them to make you a deal on a tapered Reba.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrphy View Post
    you all might like this...
    Some Swiss company is selling what looks like the same bikes

    zaboobikes.com/beta/terra29_frame.html[/url]
    Been following this Carbon 29er link for some time. I'm going to jump in after I get my Motobecane Fantom 29Pro SL and part it out to this frame. I googled "Terra29" and came back with these photos. This frame and that bike are one and the same! Here's the photo on twentynineinches.com:

    twentynineinches.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/terra29_models.JPG[/url]

    Also, I wanted to say if it hasn't already been mentioned that this frame looks to me to be mostly copied from the 2010 Fisher Superfly. Here's a photo:

    fisherbikes.com/bike/model/superfly-ss-frameset[/url]

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    Yeah whats happened here is that more than likely some Chinese thugs, got hold of some Specialized, and Gary Fisher and like one other company maybe Scott Carbon Fiber Molds in 26" and 29 " sizes and well thats the hardest part to get is the CNC machined steel or Titanium Molds. Laying OCLV carbon inside and getting yoru Hands on all Types of Carbon fiber rolls is inesxpensive and easy to obtain.

    My 4 26" frames of teh 4 that I purchased for $320 each when compared side by side to Scott and Cannondale frames appear idential as far as visual quality and sturdyness no Wibble or flex what so ever.

    Will need to post side by side pics. Entire hardtail 26" frame weighs a couple lbs. amazing. Of course adding front forks and componenets but for $320 heck I've already turned down $600 for just 1 frame.

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    Exactly what I am doing.

    [QUOTE=Odiggy;8177596]Been following this Carbon 29er link for some time. I'm going to jump in after I get my Motobecane Fantom 29Pro SL and part it out to this frame. I googled "Terra29" and came back with these photos. This frame and that bike are one and the same!

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    Jenny was extremely communicative to me. My frame came with no scratches, though. Hopefully, yours will be a minor issue.

    Quote Originally Posted by daves4mtb View Post
    I have seen a lot of people on here that are happy with these frames (well, not a lot, a few). I too believe it is a surface scratch and if it were anywhere else I wouldn't be so concerned. But I did JUST receive it yesterday, and have already sent an email to Jenny. She has been great so far. She asked for photographs which I sent (same ones here). So we'll see how they deal with this. I asked for either a refund or a replacement frame, plus a shipping label to return it. I haven't yet gotten a response, so I will keep you posted!

    A little disappointed, and have lots of friends who were interested in this "project" of mine, who are saying 'I told you so'. I'm going to take it to my favorite bike shop and get their input on it, too.

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    Looks like scratches in top coat only. Last carbon layer is generally only sacrificial, mostly cosmetic layer as well. Unlike alloy, scratches in carbon do not propagate to cracks and each layer is independent of each other anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by daves4mtb View Post
    Thanks, that is pretty much what my LBS said also. So, I think that maybe it will be okay. Still, even a $500 frame should not have obvious cosmetic damage.

    I have a bad feeling about HongFu's response. The normally very communicative Jenny has gone silent. Oh well. Too bad. I was thinking of buying some more and re-selling them, but if they are going to blow me off at bike one, then I have to nix that idea, at least with this supplier.
    If you used PayPal start a dispute. A brand new product should not arrive with obvious defects.

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    Take some toothpaste or rubbing compound and some 2000 grit sandpaper and just polish that out. Those are minor scratches. Sucks cuz it is new, but in the end, it is hardly anything to be bent over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rensho View Post
    Take some toothpaste or rubbing compound and some 2000 grit sandpaper and just polish that out. Those are minor scratches. Sucks cuz it is new, but in the end, it is hardly anything to be bent over.


    /\ This, shouldn't take too much effort to buff those out.

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    As has been suggested if it's just in the clear coat don't bother sending it back just go to your local automotive store and pick up a scratch removal kit. Cheap and will make it perfect. Much simpler and less stressful than trying to get the whole frame replaced. Of course if you ride like me it will be scratched again in a week!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rensho View Post
    Take some toothpaste or rubbing compound and some 2000 grit sandpaper and just polish that out. Those are minor scratches. Sucks cuz it is new, but in the end, it is hardly anything to be bent over.
    Yep, use the 2000 grit and use it wet. It's going to leave a matte finish. Then follow up with some Meguires #80 speed glaze to get the shine back. In fact you can hit the whole frame with #80 to give it a good shine.

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    This is the frame from Hong-fu. Matte finish.

    Quote Originally Posted by twang55 View Post
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    If anyone is ordering the 29er frame from Hong-fu, you might want to add the headset from their site as well. I did not and had to order it separately. Cost was $15 for the headset, but $38 was the shipping cost. Maybe some of you can benefit from my mistake.

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    Quote Originally Posted by twang55 View Post
    If anyone is ordering the 29er frame from Hong-fu, you might want to add the headset from their site as well. I did not and had to order it separately. Cost was $15 for the headset, but $38 was the shipping cost. Maybe some of you can benefit from my mistake.
    Doesn't anyone else make one. The headset that came with my carbon 26er was a heavy pile. So, I bought a Cane Creek.

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    What was heavy about it? Was it a typical cup style headset?

    It seems most of the carbon bikes use integrated headsets, I can't see how they would be "heavy".

    I bought two headsets at $14 each. One for the bike, one for basically comparing when I need a new one (and possibly for my chinese carbon road frame).. The way I look at it, the $14 for the headset is dirt cheap but lets you easily compare to buy one from CaneCreek/FSA/Whoever instead of scrambling.

    There's so many standards on these things...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    Doesn't anyone else make one. The headset that came with my carbon 26er was a heavy pile. So, I bought a Cane Creek.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satanpez View Post
    What was heavy about it? Was it a typical cup style headset?
    The weight was heavy about it. The quality was poor. It was all steel and 3 times the weight of my Z-3 CC headset that I picked up on Ebay for $30.

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    So it was the type with cups that had to be pressed in?

    I haven't seen too many frames setup like this from China, that's why I'm asking.

    -Steve in NJ

    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    The weight was heavy about it. The quality was poor. It was all steel and 3 times the weight of my Z-3 CC headset that I picked up on Ebay for $30.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Satanpez View Post
    So it was the type with cups that had to be pressed in?

    I haven't seen too many frames setup like this from China, that's why I'm asking.

    -Steve in NJ
    Sorry, yes, press in type.

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    Quote Originally Posted by menusk View Post
    Wait a second this isnt a 29er! :0) my bike i thought id share any way. i bought a 26 from go to bike mentioned on here since i have all parts already and didnt want to invest in 29" stuff untill i was sure the frame was solid. and let me tell you this frame is solid! im definitely going 29 when the time comes. But for now the 26" rocks!

    <a href="http://s222.photobucket.com/albums/dd21/MENUSK/?action=view&amp;current=IMG_0039.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i222.photobucket.com/albums/dd21/MENUSK/IMG_0039.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

    p.s. i know its not a specialized it just looked naked without any stickers
    the rear brake is a hygia usagi... but what is the front brake ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by twang55 View Post
    If anyone is ordering the 29er frame from Hong-fu, you might want to add the headset from their site as well. I did not and had to order it separately. Cost was $15 for the headset, but $38 was the shipping cost. Maybe some of you can benefit from my mistake.
    Seems to me the smart thing is to ask for the cad drawings. Use the dimensions from the drawing and buy one from Cane Creek.... Or for someone who just received theirs to post up the measurements that are inscribed on the parts...

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    OK.... I've read through this thread and I'm ready to pull the trigger...

    I'm looking for the following:

    * Matte UD
    * Tapered head tube
    * Threaded bottom bracket
    * External cable routing
    * 19" frame


    Who is the best to deal with, and who will have what I'm looking for? I have an email out to Hong Fu, but am awaiting a response.....

    Thanks.........

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    well LTBike can do all that bar the external cables
    but why not go internal? looks trick and is easy to setup

    ps. i hate feeling like a rep for these companies lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by emp? View Post
    well LTBike can do all that bar the external cables
    but why not go internal? looks trick and is easy to setup

    ps. i hate feeling like a rep for these companies lol
    Thanks for answering those questions Josh............

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    Lol...MCS 'made a funny'! Word of the day, "heavy". A steel version is bound to be on the weighty side of things. I still can't believe they put in a steel version in MCS? Not doubting of course, just really bizzar!!! That in itself is funny. Sexy looking frames though. I am seriously seriously coontemplating one of the 29-er HT.


    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Cycle Shawn View Post
    The weight was heavy about it. The quality was poor. It was all steel and 3 times the weight of my Z-3 CC headset that I picked up on Ebay for $30.

    Anyone esle get a steel headset?...

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    yep the headset i got weighed a lot
    i just chucked a cane creek one in, no biggie
    Josh

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    Different weave info

    Found THIS info

    I'm tempted to buy one of these frames.
    Does anyone know which frame accepts the widest rear tire? And how wide?

    Also, anyone else approx. 215 lbs riding these frames on rough singletrack / All Mountain style?

    Do any of these frames use a 30.9mm seatpost?

    thanks!

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    So has anyone bought a Cane Creek headset for the Hong Fu HF053 frame?

    The drawings have it specced as 42mm on the top, 52mm on the bottom. Is that right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by client_9 View Post
    Found THIS info

    I'm tempted to buy one of these frames.
    Does anyone know which frame accepts the widest rear tire? And how wide?

    Also, anyone else approx. 215 lbs riding these frames on rough singletrack / All Mountain style?

    Do any of these frames use a 30.9mm seatpost?

    thanks!
    Why would you buy one those frames? The cheapest one is over $2,000 and the rest are over $3,000. Just for the frame and headset. Just not sure why at those prices you wouldn't just buy a name brand carbon frame. Unless I'm looking at the website wrong.

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    no.

    Quote Originally Posted by qdawgg View Post
    Why would you buy one those frames? The cheapest one is over $2,000 and the rest are over $3,000. Just for the frame and headset. Just not sure why at those prices you wouldn't just buy a name brand carbon frame. Unless I'm looking at the website wrong.
    No, I linked to that info cause these Chinese frames have the same finishes - just thought someone might want to know what the different weaves (3k,12k, UD) were.

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    Quote Originally Posted by client_9 View Post
    No, I linked to that info cause these Chinese frames have the same finishes - just thought someone might want to know what the different weaves (3k,12k, UD) were.
    ohhh, gotcha. Wasn't trying to be a d!ck with my post just FYI.

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    Quote Originally Posted by qdawgg View Post
    ohhh, gotcha. Wasn't trying to be a d!ck with my post just FYI.
    My bad, I didn't explain the link enough. Been drinkin' beer since lunch.

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