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    Quote Originally Posted by Broseph
    Well, I hate to break it to you, but not everyone pays full retail in order to get a full warranty or buys a new Specialized S-Works frame at full retail for one either. I know I won't be paying full retail on a bike or frame. So that narrows that incentive a little bit. If it is a matter of putting down an extra $300 or $400 for a full warranty, then the Chinese deal just seems less worth the risk. $788 for the On-One is just looking better and better. Granted, I haven't compared that to what I could get on something through my shop yet either.
    Hate to break it to you, but your On-One frame is 300g heavier and $300 more expensive than my Chinese frame. If mine breaks, then I'll eat my words. Meanwhile, I'm a happy camper.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwt
    Hate to break it to you, but your On-One frame is 300g heavier and $300 more expensive than my Chinese frame. If mine breaks, then I'll eat my words. Meanwhile, I'm a happy camper.
    Eh, I'm not looking for the ultimate lightweight 29er. It will be my secondary/bad weather racer/training mtb. I've got a new scalpel on the way for my primary race rig.

    Also, Jenny just emailed me back. Turns out they actually give a two year warranty. Only thing is she didn't mention a 21". Looks like they are only going up to 19".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus
    Considering the high failure rate of Fisher frames, if you value your teeth, I wouldn't ride a Trek either...

    Crock statement. Most cracks that I have seen reported were cracks at the TT/ST junction, a few on the chainstays/swingarms. Nothing in the HT area that I have seen. Nothing "catastrophic" where teeth were in peril either, though there may have been a few.
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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Live
    Crock statement. Most cracks that I have seen reported were cracks at the TT/ST junction, a few on the chainstays/swingarms. Nothing in the HT area that I have seen. Nothing "catastrophic" where teeth were in peril either, though there may have been a few.
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    The point was there is no statistical data that proves the ebay carbon frames are better or worse than brand names.

    I just dropped $3500 on a Giant but would also consider a carbon 29er from ebay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dictatorsaurus
    Considering the high failure rate of Fisher frames, if you value your teeth, I wouldn't ride a Trek either...
    +1, based only on friends i know who have treks, they have 100% failure rate. everyone i know who ownes a trek is on their 2nd or 3rd trek, some their 4th. and i dont know anyone who has broken a frame that is not a trek.

    ill say this though, with the trek your pretty much garunteed a new frame when you break your trek.
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    I understand that engineering has value in and of itself. But in the end, it's still just a pile of aluminum tubes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by G-Live
    Crock statement. Most cracks that I have seen reported were cracks at the TT/ST junction, a few on the chainstays/swingarms. Nothing in the HT area that I have seen. Nothing "catastrophic" where teeth were in peril either, though there may have been a few.
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    Years ago I had a pre-wallyworld Mongoose carbon fiber bike and that sucker snapped right in half about 2 " behind the HT on the TT and DT... only thing holding the front end to the bike were the cables

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    2 year warranty, it will probably cost more in shipping to send it back then it will be worth

    As everyone is speculating I'm assuming these frames are made in the same factory as one of the bigger name brands. The Chinese pull this card all the time from Apple products to high-end purses.

    Personally i dont need another frame right now but I look forward to hearing feedback from someone that finally pulls the trigger on one. If consumers dont care about the sticker brand on their bike this could be a huge alternative for 29er fans!

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    These frames have a warranty. You will get a receipt and when/if it breaks they will replace it. I have talked to Jenny at Hing-Fu and she is very helpful. I would trust they would replace the frame if it broke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nick d
    +1, based only on friends i know who have treks, they have 100% failure rate. everyone i know who ownes a trek is on their 2nd or 3rd trek, some their 4th. and i dont know anyone who has broken a frame that is not a trek.

    ill say this though, with the trek your pretty much garunteed a new frame when you break your trek.
    That's funny. I don't know about the more recent offerings from Trek, but back in the mid to late '90's their carbon held up great. I beat on a Y-bike for about four years and it never broke. Ironically, I broke the next three aluminum bikes I owned (Jamis, Tomac, Cannondale), and none of them saw a quarter of the seat time and abuse that old Y bike did. The suspension design sucked, but the frame itself held up fine.

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    i'm chinese..i know my peoples who's know peoples from peoples to peoples and all of people....go chinese peoples,yeehawww!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChipV
    That's funny. I don't know about the more recent offerings from Trek, but back in the mid to late '90's their carbon held up great. I beat on a Y-bike for about four years and it never broke. Ironically, I broke the next three aluminum bikes I owned (Jamis, Tomac, Cannondale), and none of them saw a quarter of the seat time and abuse that old Y bike did. The suspension design sucked, but the frame itself held up fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pimpbot
    Yeah, I'm thinking that for under $500, I'll roll the dice on that one. I'm sure they are plenty durable. They're probably not terribly refined in the ride quality department, or the lightest thing out there.
    Agreed (assumptively), but you see, that's where I get "irked". If i'm buying a carbon frame then i'm expecting "carbon attributes". If it's carbon that's gonna ride like steel then, imho, it's not worth the time/money. That's a point of vanity I can't subscribe to.

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    Well according to the multiple threads on Road Bike Review about the generic road frames, these carbon fibre frames ride like carbon fibre frames funnily enough.

    Many very positive reviews given to the generic road frames and carbon road wheels.

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    21" version of the HF frame will supposedly be available in about 3 months.

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    well, true

    Quote Originally Posted by AndrewTO
    Agreed (assumptively), but you see, that's where I get "irked". If i'm buying a carbon frame then i'm expecting "carbon attributes". If it's carbon that's gonna ride like steel then, imho, it's not worth the time/money. That's a point of vanity I can't subscribe to.

    Want? Yes!
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    but I can tell you, if the frame is 2.7 pounds, it won't ride like steel. If anything, it will ride like a low rent alu frame. Zero compliance... Hard like an aluminum baseball bat. For my purposes, that is okay. I'm really looking for a weight weenie racerboy bike to fill out my stable. I'm looking for a gofast hammertime bike without much regard to all day comfort. I'm looking for a bike that will get me up the long 4 mile Skyline climb out of Sea Otter as fast as possible.

    Bonus points for having some vibration damping like a good carbon frame and not being too noodely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Broseph
    If it is a matter of putting down an extra $300 or $400 for a full warranty, then the Chinese deal just seems less worth the risk.

    I think you should report to the DH/FR forum and take a look at how Specialized is treating a friend of mine on a broken SX trail. He was denied a warranty because his bike left the ground. An AM/FR frame that wasn't warrantied because it was used the way it was meant to be used



    So perhaps you'll forgive me if I simply don't put a lot of faith in some of these manufacturers and their warranties. At least if you break a Chinese carbon frame and they don't warranty it you aren't out several grand to replace it.
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    if there is a difference between

    http://www.e-hongfu-bikes.com
    HF-053-17,5 of (29er)

    and

    http://www.gotobike.com.cn/
    29HE MTB753

    Weight of 17.5" frame?

    has somebody already bought the frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim311
    I think you should report to the DH/FR forum and take a look at how Specialized is treating a friend of mine on a broken SX trail. He was denied a warranty because his bike left the ground. An AM/FR frame that wasn't warrantied because it was used the way it was meant to be used

    So perhaps you'll forgive me if I simply don't put a lot of faith in some of these manufacturers and their warranties. At least if you break a Chinese carbon frame and they don't warranty it you aren't out several grand to replace it.
    First of all, I'm NOT buying a Specialized(not that I have anything against the Big S, other than their prices). And to use one isolated case to make a broad generalization about mainstream bicycle company's warranty policies is a little silly.

    Second, I even posted the information that Hong Fu DOES offer a warranty. I have no reason to say that Hong Fu would not make good on on a warranty claim, but compared to a major brand with a large distribution network in the states, I'm willing to bet the big brand will be a smoother process most of the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwt
    You have to contact the manufacturer and deal direct.

    With one click, you pay for the item and shipping to your house. Your payment is held by alibaba in escrow until you receive the item. When it arrives, if it's what you ordered and in good shape, you authorize alibaba to release the escrow. If there is a problem, alibaba has procedures to address that.
    Have you (or anyone else here) dealt direct with a manufacturer or supplier without using an escrow payment service? Some of the suppliers on alibaba.com offer other manufacturers bikes are an pretty attractive (fell off the truck/boat?) price. I found something I'd like to purchase but the supplier wants me to pay them directly (in Hong Kong) via Western Union (first alarm bell) and say they can't do escrow through alibaba (second alarm bell). I sent alibaba a question regarding the company but it's feels sketchy. Any input? This is completely new to me.
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    Go with your gut on that one.

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    Yeah, sounds like a scam, and probably is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Maxwe11
    Yeah, sounds like a scam, and probably is.
    Yeah, I was just trying to find the "too good to be true" line and this is probably over it. I did contact alibaba and asked them both about the company and their reluctance to do escrow. I'll see what they have to say about it too.
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    Paypal or some other escrow only. If they're legit they'll do it that way. I'd only use Western Union if I was sending a relative money. It's one step away from mailing cash in an envelope.

    When I bought my chinese frame I used Paypal, and it was only because tons of others have bought from the same place with great results.

    My Chinese road frame is pretty damn nice I have to say.

    -Steve in NJ

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    Steve where in NJ?

    Do you have a link to your frame?

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    Whippany, near Morristown.

    Best link I can find from the mfr site is http://dengfu.en.alibaba.com/product...rbon_fork.html

    I got an FM015 frame & Fork, regular seatpost style, headset, 3 derailleur hangers for $420 or so shipped from China.

    *Tons* of info and pictures from other people on roadbikereview.com. I dealt with "Mina" from Deng-Fu. Pretty easy to deal with, even with her semi-broken english. Didn't jerk me around, the only issue I had is I'm pretty sure she did her math wrong and charged me ~$100 too little. Everything came nice, packaged nice, etc.

    If anyone in NJ wants to see the frame, I don't mind showing it off.

    When you deal with these companies you basically ask what you need and they'll give you a price. They typically have a 800 frame a week minimum order restriction or something crazy like that. They have no issue selling just a frame. Shipping is usually expensive so tack on all the extras while you're purchasing. Extras are dirt cheap. I think my derailleur hangers were $2 a piece. Headset was $10.

    I don't know how these carbon frames work but I highly suggest buying the headset. I used mine but it's extremely helpful in figuring out which one to buy. The road frames use the campagnolo standard, which is a bit weird. If you spend the $10 you can then match up whatever fancy one you want to use to it, much easier than figuring out looking at the frame.

    -Steve in NJ

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