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    Chinese Carbon 29er

    As they say, "Grams make kilos, ounces make pounds". I'd bet a slightly more weight conscious approach would knock a pound or more off, with little to no rise in price.


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    Chinese Carbon 29er

    Quote Originally Posted by MTB2223 View Post
    He's riding the bike with a rigid fork. That save 1000gr compared to a suspension fork.
    I too have a rigid fork, just 560 grams. And no dropper. The only "heavy" part is 3 speed crankset. And, i think that my wheels is a little bit on a heavy side.
    Will post list of my components later today
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    Nazar, if you want to build a light bike, you've to pay much attention for every component ;-)
    As I remember, you've enough heavy wheels, tires, seatpost-stem and saddle.

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    Arman_a, I saw on your bike picture, you use oval chainrings.
    How this helps your pedalling?

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    My Honsen HM-256 build

    Here is my build of a 256 frame, 142x12 rear.
    It comes from a relatively unknown provider in this forum: honsenbikes.com
    Leo there was very professional and helpful.
    The frame was shipped a little more than 4 weeks after my payment as planned.

    It is built with a Lefty fork.
    Hope Race/E4 brakes.
    XX1 groupset.
    30mm hookless carbon rims, from light-bicycle.com
    And it weights 9.05 Kg.

    I just can't stop riding it!

    Thank you for all the information available in this thread, that really helped me build my first bike.




    Last edited by carbonazza; 08-04-2014 at 05:58 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbonazza View Post
    Arman_a, I saw on your bike picture, you use oval chainrings.
    How this helps your pedalling?
    The oval chainring reduces the force you need to apply to rotate cranks in dead points.
    But I can't say that there is some real effect on practice - not on my level, for somebody like Schurter - may be.

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    Chinese Carbon 29er-2014-05-10-12.28.08-1.jpg

    Here is my setup with rigid fork and slicks.
    1. Frame - Xmiplay IP-057 - 1260 gr
    2. 12mm dropouts - xmiplay - 39 gr
    3. BB Bearings - FSA BB30 - 100 gr
    4. Front wheel - 2012 Fulcrum Red Power XL 29 15mm (w/5mm adapter) - 918 gr
    5. Rear wheel - Fulcrum Red Power XL 29 12mm QR - 1092 gr
    6. Front skewer - 5 mm American Classic - 35 gr
    7. Rear axle - 12x142 mm Novatec - 74 gr
    8. Rigid fork - One Ghost Industries OG Carbon Rigid SL Tapered - 550 gr
    9. Front derailleur - Shimano XT FD-M781 Silver 3X10 - 155 gr
    10. Rear derailleur - SRAM X0 type 2 Black long - 255 gr
    11. Rear shifter - SRAM X0 10spd (w/mismatch adapter and cable) - 160 gr
    12. Front shifter SRAM X0 3spd silver (w mismatch adapter and cable) - 134 gr
    13. Front brake - Shimano XTR 985 Race (w/finned pads and adapter) - 261 gr
    14. Rear brake - Shimano XTR 985 Race (w/finned pads) - 249 gr
    15. Front rotor - Shimano SM-RT86-M 180 mm (w/bolts and plates) - 145 gr
    16. Rear rotor - Shimano SM-RT86-S 160 mm (w/bolts) - 128 gr
    17. Headset upper assembly - Cane Creek 40 IS42 - no weight
    18. Headset lower bearing - Cane Creek 110 IS52 (w/crown race) - 35 gr
    19. Fsa Headtube Compressor - 41 gr
    20. Stem - FSA OS-99 (w/bolts, China) - 131 gr
    21. Handlebar - FSA K-Force XC Riser 31.8 660 mm - 173 gr
    22. Saddle - Specialized Romin Expert 168 - 234 gr
    23. Seatpost - FSA K-Force 31.6, 400mm, sb25 - 255 gr
    24. Seatpost clamp - Procraft SPK1 34,9 - 10 gr
    25. Crankset - FSA K-Force Triple 42-32-22 (w/wavy washer and bearing shields) - 622 gr
    26. Pedals - Shimano XT PD-M780 - 343 gr
    27. Cassette - Shimano CS-M771-10, 11-36T - 337 gr
    28. Chain - Shimano XT CN-HG95 10 spd - 280 gr
    29. Tubes - Schwalbe SV15 28'' - 108 gr
    30. Front & Rear tyre - Schwalbe Ultremo 700x28c - 482 gr


    There may be some inaccuracy in weights, and some parts were not weighed at all. But all major components are here. Total weight assembled is around 9 kilos.

    And yes, wheels are heavy. This is actually first component that will be changed on this bike. Right now, i am thinking about assembling a wheelset, based on ZTR Crest rims.
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    Re: Chinese Carbon 29er

    Nazar, actually all of your components are heavy, except crankset.
    for example:
    on pedals you can save at least 70 g
    saddle - about 70 g
    and so or more on every part, I think

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arman_a View Post
    saddle - about 70 g
    Even up to 140 g with full carbon saddle.

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    So I am interested in purchasing one of these frames. Is the consensus that eBay is the best place to buy one, or is there somewhere else I should be looking?

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    Chinese Carbon 29er

    Quote Originally Posted by $trafer View Post
    Even up to 140 g with full carbon saddle.
    After 5 or 6 saddles, Romin pro is actually first one that i feel comfortable enough under my bottom
    If you can recommend ergonomic and wide enough carbon saddle, go ahead
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    Quote Originally Posted by NazZaR View Post
    If you can recommend ergonomic and wide enough carbon saddle, go ahead
    I have pretty wide ass, so many carbon saddles don't fit my bottom too, but such kind rules for me really. Honest wide of 143 mm and supple rails. And by the way just 90-95 g

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    Don't forget that carbon saddle may be very comfortable, but it is for road use only.
    On a trail you'll have problems with its sharp edges.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arman_a View Post
    On a trail you'll have problems with its sharp edges.
    I have no problem with it, edges are smooth enough. If no you can use sand paper

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    Prices is good, and shapes are like specialized saddles. But only 143mm width, which is too narrow for me. 155mm would be better, but i cannot find any.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NazZaR View Post
    But only 143mm width, which is too narrow for me. 155mm would be better, but i cannot find any.
    Hooooo, in this case you have really big problem with chinese carbon saddles. I never seen such width.

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    Quote Originally Posted by $trafer View Post
    Hooooo, in this case you have really big problem with chinese carbon saddles. I never seen such width.
    My Romin is even 168mm. But 155 felt good too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NazZaR View Post
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    Here is my setup with rigid fork and slicks.
    1. Frame - Xmiplay IP-057 - 1260 gr
    2. 12mm dropouts - xmiplay - 39 gr
    3. BB Bearings - FSA BB30 - 100 gr
    4. Front wheel - 2012 Fulcrum Red Power XL 29 15mm (w/5mm adapter) - 918 gr
    5. Rear wheel - Fulcrum Red Power XL 29 12mm QR - 1092 gr
    6. Front skewer - 5 mm American Classic - 35 gr
    7. Rear axle - 12x142 mm Novatec - 74 gr
    8. Rigid fork - One Ghost Industries OG Carbon Rigid SL Tapered - 550 gr
    9. Front derailleur - Shimano XT FD-M781 Silver 3X10 - 155 gr
    10. Rear derailleur - SRAM X0 type 2 Black long - 255 gr
    11. Rear shifter - SRAM X0 10spd (w/mismatch adapter and cable) - 160 gr
    12. Front shifter SRAM X0 3spd silver (w mismatch adapter and cable) - 134 gr
    13. Front brake - Shimano XTR 985 Race (w/finned pads and adapter) - 261 gr
    14. Rear brake - Shimano XTR 985 Race (w/finned pads) - 249 gr
    15. Front rotor - Shimano SM-RT86-M 180 mm (w/bolts and plates) - 145 gr
    16. Rear rotor - Shimano SM-RT86-S 160 mm (w/bolts) - 128 gr
    17. Headset upper assembly - Cane Creek 40 IS42 - no weight
    18. Headset lower bearing - Cane Creek 110 IS52 (w/crown race) - 35 gr
    19. Fsa Headtube Compressor - 41 gr
    20. Stem - FSA OS-99 (w/bolts, China) - 131 gr
    21. Handlebar - FSA K-Force XC Riser 31.8 660 mm - 173 gr
    22. Saddle - Specialized Romin Expert 168 - 234 gr
    23. Seatpost - FSA K-Force 31.6, 400mm, sb25 - 255 gr
    24. Seatpost clamp - Procraft SPK1 34,9 - 10 gr
    25. Crankset - FSA K-Force Triple 42-32-22 (w/wavy washer and bearing shields) - 622 gr
    26. Pedals - Shimano XT PD-M780 - 343 gr
    27. Cassette - Shimano CS-M771-10, 11-36T - 337 gr
    28. Chain - Shimano XT CN-HG95 10 spd - 280 gr
    29. Tubes - Schwalbe SV15 28'' - 108 gr
    30. Front & Rear tyre - Schwalbe Ultremo 700x28c - 482 gr


    There may be some inaccuracy in weights, and some parts were not weighed at all. But all major components are here. Total weight assembled is around 9 kilos.

    And yes, wheels are heavy. This is actually first component that will be changed on this bike. Right now, i am thinking about assembling a wheelset, based on ZTR Crest rims.
    Yes, your wheels are your biggest savings...500 to 600 grams there depending on what you spend.
    Saddle, as above
    if you went to pedals - upwards of 100g
    brake discs...50 to 100g
    small and expensive from here:
    brakes....m987 - 70+g...formula r1...150+g
    cassette - 70ish grams
    chain - 20-40g
    seatpost - 50-80g
    handlebar - 20-30g
    stem - 15-30g
    starnut - ?
    derailleur's to xx or xtr
    from where you are at - I would just look at doing the wheels at some point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brmeyer135 View Post
    Yes, your wheels are your biggest savings...500 to 600 grams there depending on what you spend.
    Saddle, as above
    if you went to pedals - upwards of 100g
    brake discs...50 to 100g
    small and expensive from here:
    brakes....m987 - 70+g...formula r1...150+g
    cassette - 70ish grams
    chain - 20-40g
    seatpost - 50-80g
    handlebar - 20-30g
    stem - 15-30g
    starnut - ?
    derailleur's to xx or xtr
    from where you are at - I would just look at doing the wheels at some point.
    Thank you.

    Thank you. Wheels will be changed for sure later on.
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    Aaaand, we are clicking again! Congratulate me
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    Quote Originally Posted by NazZaR View Post
    My Romin is even 168mm
    But its weight is 234 g. We say about weight, don't we?

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    Quote Originally Posted by carbonazza View Post
    Here is my build of a 256 frame, 142x12 rear.
    It is built with a Lefty fork.

    How do you like the new Lefty? Is it plush enough? I've heard they are not as plush as the older models (but are significantly easier to maintain).

    What headset/adapters did you use to install it?

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