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    Quote Originally Posted by OmaHaq
    Does Giant produce anything that is a truely new idea? Or do they just take ideas from the companies they mfg for? In the end, is the quality "bad"?

    Exactly!! where is Shimano made? Seems to run great for me
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    Quote Originally Posted by apacherider
    I have been a MTBR poster since 1998. I am so tired and fed up with the whole boutique BS that is churned out here. It is even dumber than the Motobecane spammers. Ok? I get it. I see what you are trying to say. I am fed up and just plain worn out from getting my chain yanked by piss poor bike builders, the whole LBS business model and their crappy employees. Buying a generic carbon frame is right up my alley. Perfect. No more hype. No more stupidity. No more phone tag.

    I suspect many others feel the same way. Life is too short to spend so much time dealing with all the petty crapola and crappy people that call the bike industry home. Seriously. Is there any other group of people more flaky and worthless than the middlemen who work in the bike industry?
    Count me in. I now have 3 Chinese frames in the house, one 26'er hardtail and 2 road bikes, one for me, one for my wife. Purchased via AliExpress from 3 different manufacturers. Built up with swapped parts from other bikes we have, and new parts from ebay or online retailers. Built in our basement.

    My road bike weighs 16 lbs (I could shave weight with better wheels if I saw the need). It cost me less than half what a comparable production bike would cost. Not having a logo on my bikes that says "Specialized" or "Trek" or "Cannondale" or whatever does not make it inferior or less functional. It only makes it less expensive. I could give a crap about "status."
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    Hi,

    Quite interesting. I realized that link you passed is marked as " wholesale platform". How did you managed to go retail - 3 frames, even in one go are hardly belived to be wholesale.

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    That is a Carbon Stumpjumper frame 100%

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil335
    That is a Carbon Stumpjumper frame 100%
    Carbon Stumpjumper got BB30 and tapered headset ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Phil335
    That is a Carbon Stumpjumper frame 100%


    The Stumpjumper does not have inboard brakes. The Stumpjumper also does not have a BB30, its BB91. The Stumpjumper also does not have seat or chainstays that look like that. In other words, its not a Stumpjumper.

    All bikes that are badged "Specialized" are made by "Specialized." (unless its a repaint)

    So, are you still 100%?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IvanMTB
    Hi,

    Quite interesting. I realized that link you passed is marked as " wholesale platform". How did you managed to go retail - 3 frames, even in one go are hardly belived to be wholesale.I.
    Some sellers require bulk orders, others will sell one piece per order. Prices vary depending on manufacturer, type of frame, quantity.

    This is the hardtail I bought earlier this season

    Just about $372 USD, including shipping to my office address. I built it up as a 1 X 9 and have riding it hard for 3 months. No problems.
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    Comparing the frame in the 1st post with my SJ Expert Carbon 29er and they do look very similar. Slightly different dropouts and BB area.
    The SJ also has a slight bend in the seat tube that I don't see on the Chinese frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amillmtb



    All bikes that are badged "Specialized" are made by "Specialized." (unless its a repaint)

    So, are you still 100%?
    Does specialized actually "make" anything ? I thought they were a design and marketing company. Their bikes are made by ideal and giant and merida, maybe others ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigsj
    I would say there is nothing beyond superficial similarity between this and the Niner frame. Tube shapes and junctions are consistently different. The seat stays are very different. There's a missing non-drive side stay brace. The BB area is totally different. The seat tube is straight meaning that the chainstays are likely longer, and there's no internal cable routing. Once you look at it, it's hard to imagine how they could have a common origin.

    Agreed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wyatt79m
    Does specialized actually "make" anything ? I thought they were a design and marketing company. Their bikes are made by ideal and giant and merida, maybe others ?
    Yes, they make water bottles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fastezzie
    Yes, they make water bottles.
    and tires.
    I ride with the best people.




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    Quote Originally Posted by glovemtb
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    Wish they would not do the extra weave outer coat.
    Looks like they give the option of 12k, 3k, and UD carbon finish on most of their stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wyatt79m
    Does specialized actually "make" anything ? I thought they were a design and marketing company. Their bikes are made by ideal and giant and merida, maybe others ?
    That was my definition of made. Specialized designs the frame, not Axman like stated above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by amillmtb
    That was my definition of made. Specialized designs the frame, not Axman like stated above.
    Gotcha, no Specialized doesn't buy catalog frames, didn't get what you meant.

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    srsly...

    Quote Originally Posted by schnee
    The future is slave labor, destruction of the environment due to crappy manufacturing practices, and elimination of the middle class?

    Well, gosh darn it, I guess that makes me a hippy.
    bring back the tariffs.

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    bumps on the seat stays

    Hey, the first set of bumps on the seat stays... are those cable guides or did they put vbrake posts on a carbon 29er?

    jv

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    Quote Originally Posted by jvossman
    Hey, the first set of bumps on the seat stays... are those cable guides or did they put vbrake posts on a carbon 29er?

    jv
    Looks like it could be cosmetic. The brake is inboard so routing probably would go along the downtube and chain stay. The der. cable routing looks like its internal, just judging by the small notch on the seat stay and the hole in the TT by the HT.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aphlux
    As described by seller:
    17.5" only
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    BB30, Post mount, 1.5"-1.125" headset
    BB30 I dont see that on any of those links.
    Im not sure where your gettin this but that would be pretty sweet

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    Anybody have any recent info on these? The gotobike site still has only the 17.5 in frame. Im holding out for a 19in frame. Cant seem to find any 29in Chinese carbon frames on ebay either.

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    anybody buy this frame and did testing?

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    Hongfu bikes should be ready in the next month or so with their 29er. Sizes of 17, 19, 20/21. Contact them for better dates of availability.
    http://www.e-hongfu-bikes.com/index....age=page&id=42

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    chinese 29er in all sizes

    BCB-053 MTB Bicycle Carbon 29er Frame

    http://www.alibaba.com/product-tp/11...rbon_29er.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtbiker3995
    BCB-053 MTB Bicycle Carbon 29er Frame

    http://www.alibaba.com/product-tp/11...rbon_29er.html
    that appears to be a dead ringer for the Niner frame and fork, with a different BB design.

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    the more I look at this thread the more tempted I am. I cant seem to find prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sergeysy
    anybody buy this frame and did testing?
    +100.
    Anyone running any of this frames?

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    Does anyone have actual pics of one of these frames built up?

    I'm tired of looking at photos of these websites!!!

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    Old enough to know better. And old enough not to care. Best age to be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edgerat
    that appears to be a dead ringer for the Niner frame and fork, with a different BB design.
    Not so sure I would call it a dead ringer for the A9C, granted it is carbon and a hard tail but that is where the similarity ends.

    The frame pictured has different seat stays, chain stays, top tube, down tube, head tube and a straight seat post. Also, the way the seat stays meet the seat tube is totally different. Add all this to the fact that it probably has a different layup and the type of carbon used and I don't see much relating the two frames.

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    On first page there is a poster that has purchased one but due to factory problems he stated that he was told to expect the frame in about 2 months (this was in late september I believe). So wont see anything until about the end of the year!

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    I considered ordering one from Hung Fu, but I cannot seem to get a geometry chart from them. The email keeps saying one is attached, but there is no attachment . . .

    They are also not currently in stock and I was told 40 days until they could be shipped. Not sure if that means in 40 days they will have an abundance of inventory or that they are taking orders for frames to be built on an as needed basis.

    If I broke a Niner or a Specialized carbon frame, I would be very sad. Breaking a $500 frame is painful, but not as painful as a $2000 frame . . .
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    Anyone know how you go about ordering and paying for products on alibaba? And also getting them shipped? Do you need to order multiple quantities?
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    Quote Originally Posted by xcbarny
    Anyone know how you go about ordering and paying for products on alibaba? And also getting them shipped? Do you need to order multiple quantities?
    Each manufacturer has a different policy as to minimum shipment. You have to contact the manufacturer and deal direct.

    By far the easiest way to get a single frame is to go to aliexpress.com.

    With one click, you pay for the item and shipping to your house. Your payment is held by alibaba in escrow until you receive the item. When it arrives, if it's what you ordered and in good shape, you authorize alibaba to release the escrow. If there is a problem, alibaba has procedures to address that.

    Once you build it up and ride it and then have a problem, I suppose you could contact the manufacturer and get some relief - though it might be a pain due to the distance/language barriers. As others have said, though, better to break a $300 frame than a $3000 frame.

    That said, I have 3 frames, 1 mtb and 2 road, each from a different Chinese company, and all are perfect. One road frame is now 3 years old and perfect, and the other 2 frames were bought this spring (road for my wife, mtb for me), and went through this entire season of constant use, with no issues

    My mtb frame is a 26" hardtail built up as a 1 x 9, and I LOVE that bike.

    Good luck.

    P.S. I also just bought a carbon kayak wing paddle for $275, including shipping. If I bought one from Epic, I would be looking at over $400.
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    I have a 19" on order from Hung Fu with custom piant shipping date is around dec 12 will post a pic when its here.

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    29er?

    I cant seem to find where it says that any of these frames are 29er specific.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the-milkybar-kid
    I have a 19" on order from Hung Fu with custom piant shipping date is around dec 12 will post a pic when its here.
    What kind of custom paint options did they offer? I looked at the site but didn't see anything like that. Do you have to email them to see options?

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    Hi i just sent them a pic of what i wanted so we will see if its anygood when it turns up the frame was $450 piant $75 & shiping $75.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrphy
    I cant seem to find where it says that any of these frames are 29er specific.
    Me neither!!! I did a search with 29, 29er. Nothing comes up. I am assuming these are all 26" frames.

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    This company has a 29er. I am going to get the 26" and will post pics when I get it. They also are very responsive via email and will send you a PDF of the geometry chart. It looks like a blueprint to me. I will put a link here of the company and you can check them out. I have done some research and a poll of owners of these Chinese carbon frames and the response is all positive. The lady who emailed me back (cherry) told me that it is $50 to paint it. So the cost of the 26" with paint and shipping will be just under $500. They also said something about a banking fee but I would talk them down a bit before paying. I will also post my experience with this. Here is the link:

    http://www.gotobike.com.cn/gs_detail...&previd=500027
    They never made the "Slowster"

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    Here is the pic from their website:
    Attached Thumbnails Attached Thumbnails Chinese Carbon 29er-29er.jpg  

    They never made the "Slowster"

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    Quote Originally Posted by pmarshall
    This company has a 29er. I am going to get the 26" and will post pics when I get it. They also are very responsive via email and will send you a PDF of the geometry chart. It looks like a blueprint to me. I will put a link here of the company and you can check them out. I have done some research and a poll of owners of these Chinese carbon frames and the response is all positive. The lady who emailed me back (cherry) told me that it is $50 to paint it. So the cost of the 26" with paint and shipping will be just under $500. They also said something about a banking fee but I would talk them down a bit before paying. I will also post my experience with this. Here is the link:

    http://www.gotobike.com.cn/gs_detail...&previd=500027
    What does "post mount only" mean? Looks like it's set up for disc brakes..... thanks!

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    I am lame I know

    But where are the Geometry numbers? 80mm 100mm?


    Where do you find the pricing and custom paint option

    Do they clear coat the paint?



    Do we know Tire clearance?

    Is that a matching front rigid carbon fork I see with it in the one pic?



    interesting but a mind phuck trying to find details under all the opinions

    and I agree with the dude who ripped the people in the bike industry. word
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    Why are there so many threads about cheap ass bikes?

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    Quote Originally Posted by pmarshall
    Here is the pic from their website:
    this pic and the fork underneath it on the web, look to have tapered steerer?????

    anyone?
    Why are there so many threads about cheap ass bikes?

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    I've been following this thread with interest and following the links. After poking around a few sites I found the frame for me. I dont even want a carbon frame, but I'd buy this just for the outstanding name brand:

    http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm...olesalers.html

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    these are being imported into new zealand

    http://www.trademe.co.nz/Sports/Cycl...-332107012.htm

    A friend of mine is bringing them in. as a comparision a niner carbon frame here is $3000 NZ

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    Quote Originally Posted by beagledadi
    What does "post mount only" mean? Looks like it's set up for disc brakes..... thanks!

    Post mount disc brakes is what it's refering to..... as opposed to International Standard mount disc brakes. If you have IS mount disc calipers, they won't work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by apacherider
    I hope you dont have an Ipod, HDTV or DVD player in your house. Thats where all that stuff comes from too.

    I have been a MTBR poster since 1998. I am so tired and fed up with the whole boutique BS that is churned out here. It is even dumber than the Motobecane spammers. Ok? I get it. I see what you are trying to say. I am fed up and just plain worn out from getting my chain yanked by piss poor bike builders, the whole LBS business model and their crappy employees. Buying a generic carbon frame is right up my alley. Perfect. No more hype. No more stupidity. No more phone tag.

    I suspect many others feel the same way. Life is too short to spend so much time dealing with all the petty crapola and crappy people that call the bike industry home. Seriously. Is there any other group of people more flaky and worthless than the middlemen who work in the bike industry?

    True. Vietnam is the new China. And Taiwan is far too small and affluent for much of its computer or bicycle manufacturing to actually take place in Taiwan anymore. Pretty amazing that an island that would fit inside the state of Louisiana, and for which nearly half of it is covered by uninhabitable mountains, is responsible for so many exports. It's an attribute of hard-working Chinese people freed from communist rule. As long as they continue to exist as a separate nation, China will continue economic and social reforms in envy of its "territory's" fine example.


    Quote Originally Posted by DeeEight
    Chinese wages are growing actually. You guys outta read the economist, they're not at american union nonsense levels yet but they have gone up about a third for factory workers in the past couple years.

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    unless....

    Quote Originally Posted by fjaws
    Post mount disc brakes is what it's refering to..... as opposed to International Standard mount disc brakes. If you have IS mount disc calipers, they won't work.

    ....you buy an adapter.


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