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    The weights of your components compare to mine aren't actually crazy different, mine are all decent, proven parts which aren't massively lightweight (certainly not all Chinese carbon) and it's still under 8.5kg.

    Frame Carbonal Orion 1250
    Forks Niner 575
    Headset FSA 105
    Top Cap FSA 39
    Bars Ritchey WCS 170
    Stem Thomson 168
    Grips ESI Extra Chunky 56
    Barends ESI 6
    Matchmaker Hope Tech Matchmaker 16
    Front Brake Hope Stealth Tech X2 EVO 204
    Front Rotor Hope Floating Rotor 99
    Front Rotor Bolts Hope 7
    Rear Shifter SRAM XX 80
    Shifter Cable Generic 30
    Front Rim Stans ZTR Crest 0
    Front Spokes Sapim Race 0
    Front Hub Hope Pro2 EVO 777
    Front QR Halo 31
    Front Tyre Rocket Ron Evolution 495
    Seatpost Thomson 247
    Seat clamp Hope 25
    Seat Boardman 250
    BB SRAM BB92 GXP Pressfit 88
    Cranks Sram XX1 576
    Chainring Sram XX1 0
    Chain Connex 10S8 323
    Pedals Time ATAC 393
    Rear Brake Hope Stealth Tech X2 EVO 219
    Rear Rotor Hope Floating Rotor 99
    Rear Rotor Bolts Hope 7
    Rear Rim Stans ZTR Crest 0
    Rear Spokes Sapim Race 0
    Rear Hub Hope Pro2 EVO 911
    Rear QR Halo 36
    Rear Tyre Rocket Ron Evolution 536
    Cassette PG1050 353
    Lockring SRAM 11
    Mech Sram X0 200

    Total 8382

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    pamik, yes I like it. I didn't notice it was stiffer than the Lefty I have on my Cannondale Rush 2008.
    I'm glad to read it is easier to maintain.

    Here are the headset components I used:
    Cane Creek 40.IS52 Bottom Headset
    Cane Creek 40.IS42 Tall Cover Top Headset
    And the tapered steerer tube and top plug from:
    PROJECT 321 | Products: Tapered Fixed Crown Lefty Adapter


    The headtube of the 19" is 120mm, and the stack makes the exact 137mm between the Lefty crowns.
    I thought I would need a 2mm spacer but the red washer of the steerer added the 2mm.

    The project 321 top washer/spacer is flush against the bottom of the top crown.
    I used the lefty crowns to compress gently the headset pieces together.
    So, in theory, there is no need of a compression plug.

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    6+ month and easily a couple thousand miles on the bike update.
    I have had my IP-056 for 6+ months now.
    I have put this bike through its paces from long sustained climbing to fast rocky downhills to fast tight rolling single track.
    I have had a couple of hard crashes along the way as well which comes with territory when you push the speed envelope.
    From day one I have been hard on the bike riding wise without even thinking twice about structural integrity of the frame.
    The bike has been pounded and has performed flawlessly over the last 6+ months
    Too anyone who is reading this thread and are having second thoughts about buying one of these frames dont be afraid.
    I have 25 years of racing and riding experience some of it at a top level over the years.
    I have ridden and raced many a bike over the years and these frames are the real deal for what they are.
    Cheers!

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    Any feedback on this frame?2014 New Light 18 inch UD Matt 29er MTB Bike Carbon Frame BB92 Rear Hanger | eBay

    I think that the chainstay length is 450mm.Isn't it too long for XC?My Cube Reaction has 440 and most chinese frames 440 or 445

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    Quote Originally Posted by kidglove13 View Post
    6+ month and easily a couple thousand miles on the bike update.
    I have had my IP-056 for 6+ months now.
    I have put this bike through its paces from long sustained climbing to fast rocky downhills to fast tight rolling single track.
    I have had a couple of hard crashes along the way as well which comes with territory when you push the speed envelope.
    From day one I have been hard on the bike riding wise without even thinking twice about structural integrity of the frame.
    The bike has been pounded and has performed flawlessly over the last 6+ months
    Too anyone who is reading this thread and are having second thoughts about buying one of these frames dont be afraid.
    I have 25 years of racing and riding experience some of it at a top level over the years.
    I have ridden and raced many a bike over the years and these frames are the real deal for what they are.
    Cheers!
    Thanks for the reaffirmation on the IP-056 frame. I've had my IP-057 over a year now, same frame with the newer 12x142 drop outs, and it also has been flawless for over a year now. Held up to anything the single track trails in my area have to throw at it. I don't dial back anything just because I am on a Chinese Carbon frame. The frame is awesome! Got a great price on it from peter@xmiplay.cn and also custom paint. Could not imagine going back to a big brand frame, my Chiner rocks!

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    Cable routing

    Hi,

    I'm building my first bike and wonder about my left lever to front brake routing.

    Can I go safe with this kind of bending ? I went to the shortest path from left lever to the zip tie and avoided to wrap around the head tube.

    Any advice ?

    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by Masure View Post
    Hi,

    I'm building my first bike and wonder about my left lever to front brake routing.

    Can I go safe with this kind of bending ? I went to the shortest path from left lever to the zip tie and avoided to wrap around the head tube.

    Any advice ?

    Thanks
    When you turn the handlebar to the right does it pull the brake? It looks like the housing is too short.

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    Get the front cable to come center with the head tube. Another thing is don't clamp your frame on the top tube.

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    So want to try a new carbon frame. Right now I have QR on my hubs (just built this wheelset), GXP XX1 crank, 27.2mm carbon seat post, and a cut down rock shox reba fork for my Xcaliber 2013.

    If I could find a frame where I can just transfer my parts over I'm sold. Other wise I'm pretty much starting all over which I don't want to do.

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    I don't know of any Chiners that take a 27.2, all are 31.6 these days, so budget for a new post. They are only about $45 so it should not be a deal breaker. You should be able to find a frame that will accept your QR hubs, fork, and BB. Just talk to one of the vendors like peter@xmiplay.com. Or if you know the specifics of your current frame, just match up the head tube length, BB, and drop outs to what you have.

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    Can someone point in the direction of how to figure out if a particular frame would make for a good trail bike? I currently have a cross country bike and am looking for something different.

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    Hi
    I have been looking at the IP057 but I miss an extra internal cable routing for a dropper. But it seems like it is not possible. Is there any similar frames for XC race that has this ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adroit Rider View Post
    When you turn the handlebar to the right does it pull the brake? It looks like the housing is too short.
    I can turn the handlebar full without pulling the housing.

    Quote Originally Posted by caRpetbomBer View Post
    Get the front cable to come center with the head tube. Another thing is don't clamp your frame on the top tube.
    According to you, I have to get the housing long enough to turn in front of the head tube ? If I do so, I have to U Turn to get behind the fork arm where the caliper sits.

    Thanks for the advice about clamping.

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    Double post...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masure View Post
    I can turn the handlebar full without pulling the housing.



    According to you, I have to get the housing long enough to turn in front of the head tube ? If I do so, I have to U Turn to get behind the fork arm where the caliper sits.

    Thanks for the advice about clamping.
    More specifically, you need to have enough brake line and cable to turn the bars 180deg in case you have a crash. You don't want to do damage to the lines while you are miles from anywhere and you put the bike on the ground. Better a little long than too short.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epic_Dude View Post
    I don't know of any Chiners that take a 27.2, all are 31.6 these days, so budget for a new post. They are only about $45 so it should not be a deal breaker. You should be able to find a frame that will accept your QR hubs, fork, and BB. Just talk to one of the vendors like peter@xmiplay.com. Or if you know the specifics of your current frame, just match up the head tube length, BB, and drop outs to what you have.
    If you aren't keen to get a new post you can use a seatpost shim like one from crane creek (Wiggle | Cane Creek Seat Post Shim | Seat Posts), i've done this for my frame and had no issues so far and also cheaper than a new post you just need to match the sizes of your seatpost and the frame

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    Re: Chinese Carbon 29er

    Quote Originally Posted by DanTails View Post
    If you aren't keen to get a new post you can use a seatpost shim like one from crane creek (Wiggle | Cane Creek Seat Post Shim | Seat Posts), i've done this for my frame and had no issues so far and also cheaper than a new post you just need to match the sizes of your seatpost and the frame
    and I advice to use two shims - as they are short, only 100mm length.
    so, you can cut the top of one shim, put inside and put the second over the first.
    It would be safer for the frame.

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    I am still building my bike with the flyxii FR-217 frame and about to drill the cable stop for the rear derailleur housing.

    I read all the replies about the cable stop drilling but I didn't find how people prevent the liner from getting lost in the frame after the drill operation. If I drill with the liner still set set in, the liner will be cut and its end lost in the frame.

    What are the techniques to prevent this or to get the end easily ?

    Regards

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    Why are you drilling your new carbon frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henrik J View Post
    Hi
    I have been looking at the IP057 but I miss an extra internal cable routing for a dropper. But it seems like it is not possible. Is there any similar frames for XC race that has this ??
    No input for this one ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henrik J View Post
    Hi
    I have been looking at the IP057 but I miss an extra internal cable routing for a dropper. But it seems like it is not possible. Is there any similar frames for XC race that has this ??
    It seems to be possible on an IP-256 if you ride 1x by using the opening meant for the FD cable
    Dropper seat post on a IP-256SL with internal cabling?

    But the opening has to be drilled to 4.5 mm....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Epic_Dude View Post
    Why are you drilling your new carbon frame?
    I'd like to have full length housing to prevent any shifting issues. The frame has cable stops which prevent me to run the full housing in the frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sjaakoo View Post
    It seems to be possible on an IP-256 if you ride 1x by using the opening meant for the FD cable
    Dropper seat post on a IP-256SL with internal cabling?

    But the opening has to be drilled to 4.5 mm....
    Thanks for the answer. But I am going to ride with 2x10 speed so it wount help me with the IP-256 frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Henrik J View Post
    Thanks for the answer. But I am going to ride with 2x10 speed so it wount help me with the IP-256 frame.
    Pretty sure none of the vendors have created a frame for a dropper. These are meant as XC frames which the majority of the time doesn't need a dropper.
    Just go 1x - put what you have into a gear calc...10-42 or 11-42 probably covers it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by brmeyer135 View Post
    Pretty sure none of the vendors have created a frame for a dropper. These are meant as XC frames which the majority of the time doesn't need a dropper.
    Just go 1x - put what you have into a gear calc...10-42 or 11-42 probably covers it.
    Miracle drilled a frame for a dropper a while back. Sometime in 2012 I think.

    Ask them. They will drill it and run a liner. Might be 60 day lead time.

    P.S. Vincenzo Nibali ran a dropper in the TDF.

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    I do not think you can do that.
    The internal tube that the cable runs in is just big enough to run your cable through not the cable and the housing I believe.

    I would run it as it is and see if you actually have shifting problems first brfore you go and start drilling because once you drill there is no turning back.

    Quote Originally Posted by Masure View Post
    I'd like to have full length housing to prevent any shifting issues. The frame has cable stops which prevent me to run the full housing in the frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masure View Post
    I am still building my bike with the flyxii FR-217 frame and about to drill the cable stop for the rear derailleur housing.

    I read all the replies about the cable stop drilling but I didn't find how people prevent the liner from getting lost in the frame after the drill operation. If I drill with the liner still set set in, the liner will be cut and its end lost in the frame.

    What are the techniques to prevent this or to get the end easily ?

    Regards
    Don't do this unless you seriously know what you are about to do, have all of the tools that a motorcycle shop may have ( bike shop tools are not enough) and have a plan.
    If you are asking this question, then you need a better plan.

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    Thanks for your replies. Maybe I thought wrong. Here is what I planed to do in details.

    I thought the white tube purpose was to pull the shifting cable. I thought there was no other tubing than the white one and that the cable will run naked and badly through the frame.

    My plan was to :
    - insert an iron nail firmly in the white tube
    - pull this tube gently inside the frame
    - drill the frame cable stop to 4.5mm
    - use a thin stick ended with a 3x3 cylindrical magnet to get the white tube back out of the frame
    - attach my 4.5mm housing to the liner
    - pull the housing through the frame

    Maybe I'm missing something, over estimate the shifting cable original guiding problem or under estimate the difficulty to set up full housing.

    More advices welcome

    Thanks !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masure View Post
    - use a thin stick ended with a 3x3 cylindrical magnet to get the white tube back out of the frame
    Just shake out old liner and use brake/shifter wire as guide shoving it through frame before. It's more simple as compared to dances with magnets, i guess

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    The inside of the lower end frames (aka no inner balloon) has wavy carbon texture.

    I cannot imagine how, and have never been able to, get anything out without being eventually getting stuck on something.

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    Masure, here is how I drilled a 256 frame to get the full hose for the rear derailleur.
    256 build by carbonazza

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    Thank you for your detailed explanation !

    One thing I notice is don't have any hole in the bottom bracket to see the down tube and the seat stay. I think I'll try to use normal routing and think about full house routing if I have any problems.

    Thank you all for your feedback and advices.

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    Hi Guys,

    I'm from Germany, so my English is not the best ;-) Last week I tested the Speci Stumpjumper FSR 29 and I quite liked it. I read a lot about the Chinese Carbon Frames in German and English forums the last days and I'm thinking of building my own bike. There is a lot of information and I still don't have a good overview.
    Is there any Chinese Carbon frame similar to the Stumpjumper?

    Thanks in advance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Masure View Post
    One thing I notice is don't have any hole in the bottom bracket to see the down tube and the seat stay.
    I have bottom bracket tube without holes too, it isn't a problem, just a little more tricky.

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    Hello, I am looking for a new 29er carbon frame. I am interested in a Hong Fu Bikes FM057 light version. I am thinking in building with a Lefty fork but I am not sure.
    Also I prefer a frame with same geometry of:

    Chinese Carbon 29er-2012_cube_elite_29_super_hpc_250945.jpg
    I thought that in the past there was a replica of Cube frames... but I couldn't find them... Cube Elite is a super fast bike!!!

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    seat boy has a blog with the geo of most common chinese carbon frames: Bikes and Playgrounds: Chinese Carbon Bike Frames

    if you want much/any more help with your query, it would probably be a good idea to at least post up the particular geometry details of that bike that appeal to you.

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    Cube Elite Super HPC 29 geometry:
    Chinese Carbon 29er-2013_cube_elite_super_hpc_pro_29_523614_i0.jpg

    I have doubts in size about getting IP057 or IP256 in 15.5 or 17.5... comparing with Cube 17

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    geometry FLX-FR-216 1:1 Cube
    FLX-FR-216 (matt) - FLYXII

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    Yes, It is almost the same. I have found a seller in europe near my home! But I have doubts about FR-216 quality... After a reding I think that is no good as others... what do you think ?

    Chinese Carbon 29er-cuadro-216-t17.jpg

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    Does anyone else think the steering angle on the 29r full suspension frames (particularly -036) looks off.....I think it makes the bikes look a bit odd like the wheels are WAY too close to each other. Anyone else feel this way?

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    I have an IP-036, rides great, steering does not feel "off", I would suggest not judging a frame based on how it looks. The wheelbase is longer than on the IP-057 but I agree that it can look shorter in pictures. Ride one and you will better understand what this FS Carbon frame is all about.

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    Almost done with my XMI IP-106 in 18". Here are some pics...just need a seat and its done.

    Also Ive decided I want to build a FS 27.5" instead so Im not even going to be riding this bike, I will be selling it. If people are interested PM me, its a nice 1x10 build with the ZEE group, Reba RLT Dual Air 100mm, Easton wheelset, and AVID BB7's. Bike is 23lbs or so.













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    Hi dan tails , im thomas from germany. i was very impressed about your bike. i want to build up a bike with 1x10 and your idea with xx1 crank and xt parts is brilliant.
    i have a question: which chain do you use??? also xt? i would be very happy for a short response, thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by andyfloyd View Post
    Almost done with my XMI IP-106 in 18". Here are some pics...just need a seat and its done.

    Also Ive decided I want to build a FS 27.5" instead so Im not even going to be riding this bike, I will be selling it. If people are interested PM me, its a nice 1x10 build with the ZEE group, Reba RLT Dual Air 100mm, Easton wheelset, and AVID BB7's. Bike is 23lbs or so.
    I believe you are suppose to list items for sale under the classifieds section and pay $2 before posting it in the threads. You should also put "paid spam" somewhere with a link to your classified ad.
    Killing it with close inspection.

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    Two flyxii 29er frames here, first one had trouble with the wheel staying straight in the back. I went with another Flyxii with rear thru axle. Its bomber. I am faster on these carbon hardtails than on my 30lb Specialized... uphill anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FireLikeIYA View Post
    I believe you are suppose to list items for sale under the classifieds section and pay $2 before posting it in the threads. You should also put "paid spam" somewhere with a link to your classified ad.

    Ah, sorry about that. I didnt realize this fact.
    2014 27.5" SC Blur TRa - 2014 IP-106 Chiner 29er - 2005 Fuji Team SL 16.2lbs -

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    IP-256 first ride report: so far so good!!! Took it on the D2R2 180km ride yesterday as its maiden voyage and it did not disappoint. Climbs great, feels light and lively. Only one ride on it but so far I love it. I haven't weighed it yet but it's light. Stoked for the carbon Jones bar to come out later this summer and shave another 0.5-0.75 pounds off the build.

    Complaints: the 32 tooth ring is the biggest you can get on there with the XX1/X01 drivetrains. For future iterations of this bike there will need to be more clearance for bigger chain rings (at least up to 36 or so) now that 1x setups are so common. I tried to fit a 34 tooth on there with no success. Oh, and the water bottle holders are too close together so the one on the downtube is pushed out like 1.5". Not a huge deal, just bigger chance of losing a bottle.

    XMI Play IP-256, medium
    Derby 35mm wide carbon rims
    Niner RDO carbon fork
    SRAM X0 drivetrain with 32 tooth front ring
    XTR brakes 160/160
    Jones handlebars




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    Chinese Carbon 29er

    Side entry cages will solve the bottle problem.


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    Anyone had any issues with 12x142mm axle, supplied by xmiplay?
    This axle is loose inside my Fulcrum Red Power 29 XL rear hub. Installed wheel have a side play of about 1-2 mm.
    XMCarbonSpeed CS-057 29er custom build
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