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    Carbon Tallboy vs Jet 9 RDO?

    Anyone have first hand saddle time in both? Thoughts?

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    Got to ride a carbon Tall Boy a couple of weeks ago... can't be technical with the feedback but for the short ride on it,
    - the frame was light (of course) but felt solid
    - going over some obstacles -- roots, going on- off- sidewalks, those little blocks on parking slots -- to check how the VPP feels like, great! the VPP suspension just absorbed whatever hits the bike got and it was quite a confidence builder. the bike just feels stable. (I managed to try out a Blur LT2 and the climbing on the VPP was quite good. If there was any bob happening, it was hardly noticeable and that Blur was set up for a lighter rider)
    - the rider position was on the upright side, but i felt centered on the bike and I can imagine this would be fun on a flowy, twisty, rooty, rocky single track. Wish I had more time on it, but it was a pretty new bike, and I didn't think the owner would appreciate me riding it like it was mine...
    Never gotten on the RDO but that is one sexy bike...! My basis for comparison, then? I ride a Sultan DWL.
    Hope that helps... cheers!

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    Ride which one fits you best. They are both super nice... I think the RDO wins the style competition though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by h2otaco View Post
    Ride which one fits you best. They are both super nice... I think the RDO wins the style competition though.
    Ill just head on down to my LBS and take them both out for some trail use

    Im j/k btw, I live in FL and doubt there are either one inside the state

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    If you live near Sarasota you can take a spin on my XL tallboy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfkbike2 View Post
    If you live near Sarasota you can take a spin on my XL tallboy.
    Thats Kind of you but a little far

    Thing is I already own one of the two, but I really just wanted some unbiased feedback from both sides of the coin. I can understand everyones hesitations in posting opinions on one or he other tho...

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    I live in Miami, There are a few RDOs out in the trails, and I am on a Medium Tallboy.
    I ofcourse have to be slightly bias towards the Tallboy because I own one, but I know how VPP stands up against the CVA on the RDO down here..and some other trails..have spent time on both back to back, but have not had a chance to ride a RDO. To me the VPP is tuned better for compliance along with pedalibility. The CYA (Niner) isn't quite as intuitive in a short travel setting (XC), the RIP9 rides completely different. It suspension in a short travel puts more emphasis on pedalibility over compliance. Yes it does pick up bumps and dips, but not as intuitively as the VPP. Here in Florida there isn't much climbing, and more roots and off-camber sections where grip combined with roll efficiency is key. Because the CYA does not pick up on bumps quite as well as the VPP, the grip isn't going to be as good popping over all the roots on the CYA, but the CYA worked better on buff singletrack where it didn't have to react so much to the small stuff.

    This comparison may be dated because this was on a Jet9 with 90mm travel, and the RDO does have more, I think 100 like the Tallboy.

    I run my tallboy with a 120mm fork like many others. It is supremely confident on descents, pedals great and confort is top notch..best I have ever felt on any bike! The Tallboy can accept a 140mm w/o warranty issues..but I feel the 120 is the sweetspot. Something that is really nice about the Tallboy and all Santa Cruz bikes are the suspension warranty. The suspension hardware is guaranteed for life. No other company does this, and those are the first things likely to fail on a frame. There is also a no fault crash replacement warranty, and after that warranty term, the cost of a replacement will be at cost. Yes the Niner does have a better initial warranty, but only a 1 yr. warranty on suspension hardware, and if you haven't seen the frames up close, all the bearing dustcaps are exposed which means more potential for water, dirt, dust and grime to enter the bearing causing premature wear.

    I bought mine over a year ago, and have had it to Arizona and rode every where there in that state, Texas, North Carolina, Michigan, Arkansas (syllamo), Iowa, Wisconsin, Tennessee, and Georgia. I have close to 2800mi on it and it has been problem free and a pleasure to ride!
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    The Jet9 has 80mm of travel and rides differently than the RDO. You can't judge the RDO by the Jet or the RIP.

    I recently built an RDO for a friend who is the same size as me. The large RDO is nearly a perfect match in size to my XL Tallboy and the build is essentially identical with 140mm Leftys converted to 120mm travel on each. Same seatposts, saddles, stems and bars. Most of the weight difference seems to be from different wheels and tires. My Tallboy has a Push'ed RT3 so I don't compare the two since I am not riding what others would get. The bikes seem similar enough to me that a different shock tune could make all the difference.

    The Tallboy has a lower BB so I use a 165mm crank rather than the 175mm we put on the RDO. The short crank is not a riding problem but it reduces your crank choices. If were buying again that might sway me over to the RDO side considering I've been happy with Niner CVAs in the past. It's not enough to convince me to purchase over again, though.

    I can't say I was entirely pleased with the direct mount FD on the RDO since it lacks adjustability. The head tube was literally as tall as it could be in the large frame and still take the standard Lefty. Looks like they were designed for each other, actually.

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    I hear a lot of Tallboy guys talk about pedal strikes with such a low BB, but does the actual .2 - .5 of an inch under others make that big of a difference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace5high View Post
    I hear a lot of Tallboy guys talk about pedal strikes with such a low BB, but does the actual .2 - .5 of an inch under others make that big of a difference?
    My Tallboy with a 165mm crank has about 5" of pedal clearance with ATACs and 2.1" tires. Sag and suspension action eat into that. In that context, a 1/2 inch is pretty significant but it's all relative to how and where you ride. And RDO with a 175mm crank ends up the same.

    The Tallboy's BB height is low but not lower than some of its competition. The Rockstar is even lower, though they are raising it in the redesign. The Pivot 429 is the same.

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    Yeah, I suppose it all depends on riding style and trail, Ive got about 5.5" clearance on my Canzo with 120mm Fork and 175mm crank...

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    I have had pedal strikes, but it was never from low center in the bike travel. It was always in situations where I couldn't plane out the pedals on a rock/root section. After years of riding platform, its instinct to plane out the pedals (3 and 9 oclock position), and turn with the inside pedal at the 12 oclock position.

    I don't want to say that you are riding wrong, just my experience with my riding style. I ride with 175mm cranks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace5high View Post
    I hear a lot of Tallboy guys talk about pedal strikes with such a low BB, but does the actual .2 - .5 of an inch under others make that big of a difference?
    I've got a Tallboy with 175mm cranks and a 95-120mm Fox Talas fork and ride on a lot of very rocky New England trails. Pedal strikes are not a big issue unless I wind the fork down to 95mm, which I never do anymore anyway. I do advise getting a bashguard to protect the carbon around the lower suspension pivots. Great bike, my all-time favorite (but Niner makes great bikes, and I'm sure the RDO is pretty nice as well).

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    I've spent a fair amount of time on a Tallboy and I've done the same on a Jet 9. I loved how the suspension felt on both bikes with the Tallboy being stiffer and the Jet 9 being plusher and more active. Winner for me was the Jet 9. Comparing the Tallboy to the RDO, I'd take the Tallboy, mostly because the RDO is the ugliest carbon FS bike I've ever seen, IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silentfoe View Post
    I've spent a fair amount of time on a Tallboy and I've done the same on a Jet 9. I loved how the suspension felt on both bikes with the Tallboy being stiffer and the Jet 9 being plusher and more active. Winner for me was the Jet 9. Comparing the Tallboy to the RDO, I'd take the Tallboy, mostly because the RDO is the ugliest carbon FS bike I've ever seen, IMO
    Ya know... I wasnt going to say it... and im sure there are some things the RDO does great if not better than the Tallboy but I couldnt get over the looks of it either!

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    Have had my TB for over a year. Way more peddle strikes than with my prior bike. It is setup with a 120. The RDO is better looking and has a higher BB. Getting used to working around not having a higher BB. The bike is fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mudncrud View Post
    Have had my TB for over a year. Way more peddle strikes than with my prior bike. It is setup with a 120. The RDO is better looking and has a higher BB. Getting used to working around not having a higher BB. The bike is fun.
    Hum.. I suppose I could always switch to a 170 or 165mm crank if I feel I need to...

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    I'm looking at these 2 bikes also. Which one is the more efficient climber both in and out of the saddle?

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    Both great bikes, for me it comes down to trail and conditions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbalko View Post
    I'm looking at these 2 bikes also. Which one is the more efficient climber both in and out of the saddle?
    The one that fits you the best.

    They both have a small dual-link suspension which is going to provide you with great pedaling platform. Shock setup really makes a difference...I would also go as far to say that the shock you have installed makes a difference as well. When I bought my Tallboy in 2010 I opted for the standard Rockshox Monarch RT3 after having the RP23 on my Blur. It is a somewhat stiffer shock with better initial platform, and it has a true lockout. The RP23 three Pro-Pedal (platform) modes, none of which have a true lockout. The RP23 tune also tend to sit mid travel and wallowed a bit. It never felt bad, but it also never felt perfect. The Monarch RT3 seemed to address that issue and nearly solved it.

    Because the RT3 is not an available option anymore with the Tallboy, it is an aftermarket upgrade..but the nice thing is that they can be picked up from around $200-$300 and you can actually make money by selling the RP23. I know for some...putting extra work into changing a brand new frame doesn't seem realistic....but does seriously make a difference on the bike.
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    Quote Originally Posted by marty1983 View Post
    Both great bikes, for me it comes down to trail and conditions.
    So what does each one do better than the other. I live in Colorado and the climbs can be really long here. I'm coming off a Sultan I don't like the way it bobs when I get out of the saddle and am realizing that as I age that I am doing faster and smoother trails with less hits and thatI don't want to carry an aluminum frame around anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbalko View Post
    So what does each one do better than the other. I live in Colorado and the climbs can be really long here. I'm coming off a Sultan I don't like the way it bobs when I get out of the saddle and am realizing that as I age that I am doing faster and smoother trails with less hits and thatI don't want to carry an aluminum frame around anymore.
    With bikes that cost that much you really shold ride both & see what works for you.

    I have owned both the Tallboy & the RDO, I just couldn't find the love for the Tallboy,

    My Tallboy did have the RP23 on it.

    The RDO just works better for me for all the ridding that I like to do.

    I felt that for me when climbing ruff tec sections that the RDO was better.

    Although there was plenty of stuff that Tallboy did well ,I can;t think of a single place were I liked the Tallboy more than the RDO.

    So each to there own.

    As for comments like the leaver on the shock is much easyer to reach on the Tallboy, Well that's a good thing because you need it on the Tallboy were as most with the RDO have never felt the need. The bike pedals well enough with out it.

    Oh & the other one I like is that the Tallboy looks better than the RDO ( I like the look of the RDO but when I first saw it I wasn't keen either ) But really If you want to buy a bike for looks well then go for it but I would always choose funtion 1st.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbalko View Post
    So what does each one do better than the other. I live in Colorado and the climbs can be really long here. I'm coming off a Sultan I don't like the way it bobs when I get out of the saddle and am realizing that as I age that I am doing faster and smoother trails with less hits and thatI don't want to carry an aluminum frame around anymore.
    To my understanding the CVA does have a slight advantage in pedaling efficiency over the VPP. Most of those who speak of a "fellable" difference tried the VPP with an RP23. I was not super happy with pedaling efficacy with the RP23 on the Tallboy, though it was still pretty great. The VPP however is designed with antisquat characteristics that increase climbing ability. I find this particularly noticeable when climbing out of saddle. It was a very unusual feeling compared a more "squatty" feel of a four bar single pivot when I first got on the TB.

    Also, considering the super short Chainstay on the TB I find it to be more controllable and maneuverable when climbing which is a great plus. I cant speak for the RDO but it does have a longer chainstay and therefor cant have some of the great characteristics that the 17.5" chainstay does on the TB

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    pictures please!!

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    OK here is my 2 cents. I demoed A RDO at Fruita Co, I road it for 4 hours, I found it very efficient and worthy of the hype. I felt it should have been stiffer in the front and would have preferred a lower BB, its wheelbase makes it very stable on descents. I bought a Tallboy C after that demo and after a couple rides here's what I can say. The Tallboy has stiffer front end, slightly less stable on descents, I think because of the shorter wheelbase, on the other hand the Tallboy has a much more agile feel to it. I prefer the lower BB of the Tallboy. As far as pedaling they are both outstanding compared to the old four bar stuff I have owned. I also have a Giant Anthem 29er and can say it might be the best of the lot, I do find it just a little whippy in front end [the new carbon version should corrected this] also but at half the cost of the others the Anthem is the hands down winner. For me, single track and fun, the Tallboy. For more serious stuff like weekend club racing maybe the RDO. With that said I really am not sure either the Tallboy or the RDO has anything over on the Anthem for any purpose.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sunnyside View Post
    OK here is my 2 cents. I demoed A RDO at Fruita Co, I road it for 4 hours, I found it very efficient and worthy of the hype. I felt it should have been stiffer in the front and would have preferred a lower BB, its wheelbase makes it very stable on descents. I bought a Tallboy C after that demo and after a couple rides here's what I can say. The Tallboy has stiffer front end, slightly less stable on descents, I think because of the shorter wheelbase, on the other hand the Tallboy has a much more agile feel to it. I prefer the lower BB of the Tallboy. As far as pedaling they are both outstanding compared to the old four bar stuff I have owned. I also have a Giant Anthem 29er and can say it might be the best of the lot, yet it it just a little whippy in front end [the new carbon version should corrected this] also but at half the cost the Anthem is the hands down winner.
    An Alu Anthem a winner over both the RDO and TB...? Common now... Its not even in the same league
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace5high View Post
    An Alu Anthem a winner over both the RDO and TB...? Common now... Its not even in the same league


    Really? Just because it is not made of carpet fiber?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace5high View Post
    An Alu Anthem a winner over both the RDO and TB...? Common now... Its not even in the same league
    THAT'S WHY I AM SO CONCERNED

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    Really? Just because it is not made of carpet fiber?
    Um... Yeah pretty much


    Quote Originally Posted by sunnyside View Post
    THAT'S WHY I AM SO CONCERNED
    Shouldnt sweat it man... Some people prefer the feel of certain bikes. Muzz loves his RDO even tho he liked the TB and rode one for awhile. With all the recent mods to correct what I felt were the only real short comings on the TB Im very happy with it.

    In my original tallboy write up I pointed out the pedal strikes and a bit of wallow over half rear suspension travel during hard cuts and braking.

    The change to the 170mm crank and RT3 corrected both of these issues wonderfully and I couldn't be happier with the TB now. The fact that SC is using 142 rears in the standard TB is another plus even over my version.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace5high View Post
    Um... Yeah pretty much


    Nice to know how how little knowledge you really have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace5high View Post
    An Alu Anthem a winner over both the RDO and TB...? Common now... Its not even in the same league



    Your ignorance is showing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gbalko View Post
    So what does each one do better than the other. I live in Colorado and the climbs can be really long here. I'm coming off a Sultan I don't like the way it bobs when I get out of the saddle and am realizing that as I age that I am doing faster and smoother trails with less hits and thatI don't want to carry an aluminum frame around anymore.
    Ok, you must have a TNT Sultan? The DW Sultan is as good as pedaling gets from what I have heard, the downside is the 7 + pound frame. The Giant Anthem frame comes in at a stellar 5.3 lbs in alloy and could be the best platform available, just sayin all aluminum is not created equal as for carbon

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    Nice to know how how little knowledge you really have.
    Bottom line is its not comparing apples to apples. A common misconception about Carbon fiber is that the tradeoff is durability for weight. Those of us who know better, know not only is thats not true but doesn't scratch the surface...

    What some dont realize is that Carbon Fiber has many more advantages including durability. CF doesn't fatigue the way that Alu or other metals do but also non-corrosive! You can repair CF, It is lighter, more compliant. Carbon fiber provides better shock absorption and far superior vibration damping. Monocoque construction of frames like TB is an advantage over metal and the possible stress cracks that can occur with welded joints.

    Another huge advantage building frames from CF is that unlike isotropic materials (Aluminum Steel) that has the same mechanical properties identical in all directions; Composites like CF are anisotropic and they can easily be made to satisfy virtually any mechanical property without changing the overall structural shape of the part. In other words CF can be used to make tubes thinner and lighter yet still retain more strength and stiffness in any specific configuration, therefor being able to apply rigidity where its desired and give where its desired.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace5high View Post
    Bottom line is its not comparing apples to apples. A common misconception about Carbon fiber is that the tradeoff is durability for weight. Those of us who know better, know not only is thats not true but doesn't scratch the surface...

    What some dont realize is that Carbon Fiber has many more advantages including durability. CF doesn't fatigue the way that Alu or other metals do but also non-corrosive! You can repair CF, It is lighter, more compliant. Carbon fiber provides better shock absorption and far superior vibration damping. Monocoque construction of frames like TB is an advantage over metal and the possible stress cracks that can occur with welded joints.

    Another huge advantage building frames from CF is that unlike isotropic materials (Aluminum Steel) that has the same mechanical properties identical in all directions; Composites like CF are anisotropic and they can easily be made to satisfy virtually any mechanical property without changing the overall structural shape of the part. In other words CF can be used to make tubes thinner and lighter yet still retain more strength and stiffness in any specific configuration, therefor being able to apply rigidity where its desired and give where its desired.



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    Quote Originally Posted by roadie scum View Post
    Thank Dog for Google because you wouldn't have a reply otherwise.
    I'd prefer to thank my best bud who's an NDT tech for the aerospace and power industries... You might need to google that...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace5high View Post
    I'd prefer to thank my best bud who's an NDT tech for the aerospace and power industries... You might need to google that...


    Google parrot. You know , like parroting what you have heard, or second hand knowledge. That is what you bring to any conversation, second hand. When you have first hand knowledge of something bike related, come back and join the conversation, until then keep your uninformed opinions to yourself and stop presenting yourself as some one who knows anything. Are you sure your not dremer03? You sure post like him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    Nice to know how how little knowledge you really have.
    Wow was this whole exchange really necessary?
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    I would have to agree that in my experience, the Giant Anthem rides better than both the Tallboy and the Niner CVA, (I haven't had the opportunity to ride the RDO). Bonus, now the Anthem comes in carbon.
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    Three frame failures with carbon fiber. I've had frame failures with other bikes but usually it's after two years of ownership; not less than six months. I'm not a CF hater but I feel the current CF offerings are for light trail use only.

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    Hey DrDon, could you share some details on your frame failures?

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    Yes, please do share.

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    No one's come in and suggested the Scalpel yet? If you plan on racing (you're looking at the Jet..) might want to give some thought to that. I'm in love with mine!
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    My Tallboy's seat tube cracked twice and the seat tube on my Scalpel "ovalized". I'm 5'10" and have a 35+in inseam. I run a lot of post. I weigh 225lb. A Nomad type frame is more suitable for me. Both bikes ride great. Santa Cruz's customer service was very good. In fact I know of a rider who broke his Talboy twice that eventually bought another after selling the original.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ace5high View Post
    I hear a lot of Tallboy guys talk about pedal strikes with such a low BB, but does the actual .2 - .5 of an inch under others make that big of a difference?
    Yes it does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrDon View Post
    My Tallboy's seat tube cracked twice and the seat tube on my Scalpel "ovalized". I'm 5'10" and have a 35+in inseam. I run a lot of post. I weigh 225lb. A Nomad type frame is more suitable for me. Both bikes ride great. Santa Cruz's customer service was very good. In fact I know of a rider who broke his Talboy twice that eventually bought another after selling the original.
    Wow thanks for the feedback. I've been on the fence on purchasing the TBc vs TB. I'm a big boy like 270 Lbs (NFL size) and I rented a TallBoy aluminum today. Really dig the bike and suits me fine. I understand the carbon advantages and I'm sure if I got one it would treat me fine. Sure I may have the same issues as you (not sure if I will run lot of post) and if I have to take the risk of repairing it in a few years then I gotta deal with it then should I make the purchase soon. I know aluminum and steel as that is all my previous bikes so I can't rule out the aluminum TB. But I do understand people say the ride is a bit different on the CF frames with impact. I don't race and ride on the weekends and really don't think the lighter weight will make a difference (I could be totally wrong) but should I get the TBc or the TB I'm sure I'll be stoked!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrDon View Post
    My Tallboy's seat tube cracked twice and the seat tube on my Scalpel "ovalized". I'm 5'10" and have a 35+in inseam. I run a lot of post. I weigh 225lb. A Nomad type frame is more suitable for me. Both bikes ride great. Santa Cruz's customer service was very good. In fact I know of a rider who broke his Talboy twice that eventually bought another after selling the original.
    I too have heard a couple of guys that had problems with their tallboy after warranty ran out. Went to LBS, LBS called SC, and no problem they took care of the customer even after warranty. I've read this about SC doing this many times, to me that is good customer service. Seems they want customers for life. I've heard of other bigger companies, which did not care to follow the same path and lost the customer for life.

    As far as the Scalpel goes, yeah cool bike, but quite expensive. One could build or order a Tallboy or Niner RDO for less and save the difference to get some good wheels and hubs. I would put the Tallboy carbon and RDO over Scalpel anyday just because the value, more bang for buck. Not to mention they look better too, the alloy 4 scalpel is their best looking paint scheme. Not sure about Niner's customer service, as far as for racing only the RDO, what, you can't race a Tallboy? Thats absurd. Tallboy is just as capable as the RDO, furthermore, I would say the Tallboy and RDO can handle almost anything.

    I would not say the Tallboy looks better than the RDO, I think the RDO looks really outstanding and is a piece of art, it looks fast standing still. Color options on their carbon bikes are better too. I think the Black and Red Tallboy carbon is a sick looking bike too, but I give the edge to the RDO, I have no bias even though I am anxiously awaiting my new Tallboy on Wednesday. I'm no expert, and beauty is in the eye of the beholder, just my 2 cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Silentfoe View Post
    I would have to agree that in my experience, the Giant Anthem rides better than both the Tallboy and the Niner CVA, (I haven't had the opportunity to ride the RDO). Bonus, now the Anthem comes in carbon.
    Can you elaborate? What style of riding?

    BTW - Sunnyside knew I was only joking about the anthem x... hence the smiley faces Too bad mtbr's two resident trolls couldn't figure that out.

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    Yes it does.
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    After switching to a 170mm crank it wasn't as bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Silentfoe View Post
    I would have to agree that in my experience, the Giant Anthem rides better than both the Tallboy. . .now the Anthem comes in carbon.
    Yeah, please unpack this more. In what way? What time did you spend on a Tallboy Carbon and what riding did you do on it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 29er Kid View Post
    Wow thanks for the feedback. I've been on the fence on purchasing the TBc vs TB. I'm a big boy like 270 Lbs (NFL size) and I rented a TallBoy aluminum today. Really dig the bike and suits me fine. I understand the carbon advantages and I'm sure if I got one it would treat me fine. Sure I may have the same issues as you (not sure if I will run lot of post) and if I have to take the risk of repairing it in a few years then I gotta deal with it then should I make the purchase soon. I know aluminum and steel as that is all my previous bikes so I can't rule out the aluminum TB. But I do understand people say the ride is a bit different on the CF frames with impact. I don't race and ride on the weekends and really don't think the lighter weight will make a difference (I could be totally wrong) but should I get the TBc or the TB I'm sure I'll be stoked!!!
    I think you should go carbon if you dont mind spending the extra funds. The TB is Santa Cruz's all time most popular frame. Out of all the many carbon TB's sold a few have had issues, that is just the statistical laws of any popular item. Main thing is that they are not known for any significant or regular failures.

    Im sure the Alu version rides well but its the stiffness of the carbon that I really love, Carbon IMO

    One last note on CF, Although its relatively new to the cycling industry keep in mind its been used for a LONG time in Marine and Aircraft with good reason. I was mocking up hulls with the stuff over a decade ago and it was nothing more than common place... Its no fad, but we will likely continue to see improvement in the cycling industry for some time.
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    MTBR member TIGERREYES said this in the Diamondback section --> "I have a Sortie 29er 3. Also have a 2011 Anthem X 29er 1. I love the Anthem because it's very light for a 29er but I find myself always wanting to ride the Sortie 29er 3, since I have a lot more fun with that one. It's awesome on climbs and it's just impressive on descends I just feel that I can throw whatever the trail gives and it won't break compared to always being a bit cautious with the Anthem thinking that a big bad jump might break it. I love both bikes very much but if I had to choose right now, I would go for the Sortie 3 since it's more of my riding style (I don't race) and I can't really notice the extra weight when riding."

    I post this because I know the Anthem is nice but as I've heard many times, and this is one of them, it's just not as fun as other bikes, including the RDO and Tallboy.

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