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    Fat sheep, skinny sheep

    The flock comes in all shapes and sizes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noish View Post
    The flock comes in all shapes and sizes.
    Love the TT bars!
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    Lots of beautiful bikes here. Only my stem is a BS, but at least I have something.
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    ^how do you use those bar ends? Seems like the angle wouldn't work?
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    I'm not using them as traditional bar ends.

    There're there to help keep my hands from flying off when I'm on a mission

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    Does anyone have an approximate/accurate weight on a standard BS ti fork? By standard I mean something that is a 460-70mm straight blade w/ disc mount tabs.

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    740g. 7.25" steerer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by noish View Post
    The flock comes in all shapes and sizes.
    Love that road bike. Looks like it might soak up some bumps... how is the ride?

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    Quote Originally Posted by h2otaco View Post
    Love that road bike. Looks like it might soak up some bumps... how is the ride?
    vertically compliant, laterally stiff. I got a bike fit at Moment Cyclesport in San Diego and sent the CAD drawing of my coordinates over to blacksheep. They built the frame and aerobars around my specs. A perfect fit must be worth a few watts, right?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dvo1 View Post
    740g. 7.25" steerer.
    Hell, that is about the same as my older White Brothers Rock Solid! Not sure when this will happen but just exploring my options. The other idea is a Niner but it comes in a 470 w/ a 45mm rake. I actually like my current set up because it is what most people call twitchy. It is basically a WB RS in a 445 w/ a 43mm offset on a Vassago Jabber. But my concerns is fatigue and since I have been on it now for a couple of years I am starting to think it might be time for a replacement. Knowing that I could have BS make me a fork to my spec for the same price as the Niner is worth the weight penalty. Add in the peace of mind that the damn thing isn't going to snap on me and well it sort of becomes a no brainer imo!

    Thanks for the quick response!

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    Just a little action shot of the RAM in action today... (FF was b/c it was cold as heck this AM, not for the riding)

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    Just out of curiosity for those that have the Mustache bar. Was it hard to get used to? Did/do you ever bang you knees on them during techy climbing??? Just seems to me that would be a possibility with the bars pointing back towards your legs. Ball park on the weight of them???

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1SPD View Post
    Just out of curiosity for those that have the Mustache bar. Was it hard to get used to? Did/do you ever bang you knees on them during techy climbing??? Just seems to me that would be a possibility with the bars pointing back towards your legs. Ball park on the weight of them???
    Have had 3 different sets of BS bars thru the shop. Have found it is really a matter of preference. Some of the alternate bars fit people differently. Personally for tech sections I prefer a bar with an 11 degree sweep. If the bars come back to far then for me I do hit my knees. Others love them. Have had a custom set of bars on order with James now for over two years and still waiting. Same for the frame, but that one was a UPS screw up. (they lost it). At least I have the fork.

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    Not moustache but Alt bar is great

    Quote Originally Posted by 1SPD View Post
    Just out of curiosity for those that have the Mustache bar. Was it hard to get used to? Did/do you ever bang you knees on them during techy climbing??? Just seems to me that would be a possibility with the bars pointing back towards your legs. Ball park on the weight of them???
    I don't have moustache bars for 2 reasons - I was nervous about exactly what you are asking, and I like ergonomic grips and wanted the ability to go twist shift at some point (for Rohoff or other). I had a Mary bar on my old 29er and liked it for awhile but figured out it was too much sweep on tech descents so for my 36er I asked James to do a Mary style bar with about half the sweep. With sucha big wheel it is 31" wide for proper leverage. I have never had knee contact issues with the bars (every once in a while with the wheel though) and it is awesome for climbing and descending.

    What he made is perfect, so much so that I just had him make me another narrower version (28.5") that I received last week for my new Kish 29er. Here is a pic of the end result next to a Ragley Carnegie carbon and a Salsa Pro Moto 1 with 17deg sweep. The Ragley would be fine but has some rise built into it, and the Salsa I'd need a longer stem to get the same reach.

    This BS bar weighs 230g plus 63g for the shims (have a Moots set on order that should be a bit lighter), so not exactly light weight (Ragely is 207g and Salsa is 165g) but I love the way the bar feels and it is exactly the position I want to be in so worth the extra weight and cost. Plus it will match the frame and stem perfectly
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    Well, I know I don't want much of any rise in my bars (currently my Super Logic bar has 1/4") and is comfy but am thinking I want more of a flat bar. The problem I run into is finding a flat bar that is still fairly light but is wider than a 560-80. I think I am running my SL bar at 610 right now and the weight is right around 135g or so.

    A budy of mine has a Mary bar that he will let me barrow but I will need to get my hands on another stem to give that a shot. I figured I would just pick up a cheap stem (I mean CHEAP!) to give it a shot but would have to figure out what the length would need to be. I would rather go this route to figure out if this is something I really want to do before shelling out the cash for something as nice as a BS bar.

    I do like the lines of your bar though. At the same time I do ride with bar ends and have grown to love/appreciate them which is why the idea of the mustache bar came up. I have tried riding without them on wider bars and just didn't feel as comfortable. I enjoy the hand position when climbing of the barends. Hell I have half the mind to see if James would make me a bar similar to the old Scott's that were sort of bull horn looking. That would be the best of both worlds if you will. Pretty much flat, a bar end built in and I could get whatever sweep I wanted. I ride ESI or slip on style grips (ones that are bendable anyway) so that wouldn't be an issue either. Hmmm....

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    I'm sure they could make me something that looks similar to this: Scott AT-2


    Well, at least this is my initial thought process. I know I would want the bull horn sections fairly short but enough to get you hand on if you will. I think I would run the sweep at about 8 degrees or so. Width??? Not sure I would have to measure up the outer edges of my current barends to see where that would be. If I remember correctly, those bars were pretty narrow in the hand grip area so I would definitely have to work this out. Not sure how tight those guys could make the bends mind you. But I couldn't have a bar end welded on or I could never get a grip on them (could wrap them with bar tape but that sucks).

    Funny, it wouldn't be too far out for BS to make a retro bar like this for me. Not that they were made that long ago mind you but it is a bit of a blast from the past.
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    135g is pretty light, I don't think you'll find any BS bar near that weight. The Salsa bar comes in different sweeps and is flat so that may be an option for you. I think you can run bar ends with them still and width is 660 so you can trim (using the handy dash marks) to whatever width you want.

    With the Mary bar I would run it on the same stem you run your regular bars. They sweep forward, then back so your hands are positioned in the same spot, just at an angle. Hold the mary bar above your current bar where the stem would clamp onto it and you'll see what I mean.

    I'm sure James would make you any bar you could dream up (see TT bars above wow!!) and if you stay on him once a week you can usually get them pretty quick. Mine only took 2 months which was fine for me as he's the only guy I could find that would do a truly custom bar. I just had to text him once a week or so.

    Best of luck!!

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    You know, I had a really good interaction with them when I ordered my seat post from them last year. It litterally only took a month! I was amazed after hearing some of the stories from folks.

    I'm still in the thinking phase at this point but will definitely have a look at the Mary's as you mentioned. Worst case is it rules something out for me. Thanks for you input!

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    Yes, I think James could do a tight bend like that. Just looking at the TT bar above, there are some really tight bends there. If I remember correctly the only time he can't do really tight bends is when they double back on each other (like a Mary bar with front sweep, then a ton of back sweep).

    The great thing about the BS bars is that they are essentially chainstay material, so you can use every inch of it outside the clamp area as there is no bulge. That may help you get a little more grip area prior to the bend. Actually now I think about it, what you are almost asking for is a narrow moustache bar, just in reverse.

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    I think you are right for the most part now that I look at them again. Too funny, I guess I would be telling him I want a reverse mustasche bar.

    Yep, those tt bars are dream worthy for sure and the bends are pretty tight.

    For now, I think I want to play around with different angles to see what I like so the Mary (since it is available to me) will get first crack at it. That thing is going to be a brick though! At the same time, I'm sure I won't find a BS bar in the same weight range as what I currently have but knowing that it isn't going to stap on me is sort of priceless as well!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbeardsl View Post
    I'm sure James would make you any bar you could dream up (see TT bars above wow!!) and if you stay on him once a week you can usually get them pretty quick. Mine only took 2 months which was fine for me as he's the only guy I could find that would do a truly custom bar. I just had to text him once a week or so.
    Think that I'll try calling more often seeing if I can't get the frame and bars done. Two years out is a bit long in the tooth at this stage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crux View Post
    Think that I'll try calling more often seeing if I can't get the frame and bars done. Two years out is a bit long in the tooth at this stage.
    I am always hesitant to get involved in these things on forums as I have no clue who anyone is and how sane/crazy they are but if it were me I'd text him, call him, email him until I felt like he was paying attention. I have heard great stories and horror stories and have personally had both. Simply expect longer than stated lead times and stay on him to make sure you stay at the top of the list.

    I get flack all the time for saying that (like my emails and texts are keeping him from welding someone else's bike) but frankly it is the only thing that has worked for me. They aren't out to get anyone and seem to be genuinely good guys, they simply don't know how to run the business side of the operation and can't manage customer expectations well. When they have made mistakes they are honest in admitting and good about correcting in my short experience with them.

    I *will* say I am having a different builder build my next bike, but that's because he is also as great or better with Ti, has 1/3 the lead time, and lives 45 mins from me now so convenience was a big factor. Pricing seems to be about the same with anything custom Ti so not much savings there but certainly a more stress-free build

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    Axle

    Today I decided to turn a 25mm axle for the sheep fork. Think it turned out fairly clean. Still pending frame & bars.
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    Updated pic of my Blacksheep.
    Still loving her 2 years or so down the track.



    Also my friend Derek's steel Blacksheep Stellar.


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    ^^hmmm, Mr. Derek's brakes are reversed...seen it done and know people do it but just been a while since I had seen it. I definitely think I would go otb if I tried that. Loven the blue paint colors though!

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    Love BS. Subscribed.

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    Updated picture, wish the trails would dry up so I can actually go for a ride without being axle deep in swamp water..

    Yes, that's my back yard flooded, not a "water feature" and the trails are in much the same shape.
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    ooooh, I like that Mr. Bob! (not the water feature you mentioned mind you)

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    Quote Originally Posted by driver bob View Post
    Yes, that's my back yard flooded, not a "water feature" and the trails are in much the same shape.
    Wonder how much float a fat bike would have???? Sorry to see the yard flooded, hope you dry out soon so you can ride. Send the moisture this way my backyard is mostly dust.

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    As long as it's the yard and not the house...

    Crux: You can have as much of this as you want, trails have been out of commission for months and it sucks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1SPD View Post
    ^^hmmm, Mr. Derek's brakes are reversed...seen it done and know people do it but just been a while since I had seen it. I definitely think I would go otb if I tried that. Loven the blue paint colors though!

    Australia.
    Most of us run our brakes like that.

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    Australia.
    Most of us run our brakes like that.
    Oh that explains it. You're upside down.

    I'm actually always amazed that going from bike to motorbike I never seem to get the levers confused, even thought I run bicycles standard with front on the left.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    Australia.
    Most of us run our brakes like that.
    x2. Originally from the UK and I still run my brakes "backwards".

    Strangely when on demo bikes I can make the switch and use "right=rear", just not on my own rides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by modifier View Post
    Oh that explains it. You're upside down.

    I'm actually always amazed that going from bike to motorbike I never seem to get the levers confused, even thought I run bicycles standard with front on the left.
    What makes you think this is "standard"?

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    James works his magic...

    I have had this frame/bike for years and gotten a lot of miles out of it, and it was posted further up in this thread. But off-and-on (and recently more on than off) I've had problems with the EBB, in particular the Bushnell or Carver cam-type EBB insert creaking and binding the bottom bracket. During last year's Laramie Enduro, I ended up riding near James of Black Sheep on several occasions and he heard the creaking EBB first-hand. After the race he offered a solution and a few weeks later I was down at his shop. James devoted about two hours of his Saturday on Labor Day weekend to changing my EBB to a pinch bolt style and equipping it with a Phil Wood eccentric insert. He also added a chain stay bridge near the BB, filled in a couple of small dings on the down tube, and media blasted a cool Black Sheep logo on the seat tube -- all for the price of the Phil Wood eccentric insert! I've now ridden the frame enough to know it's squeak free and allows the bb to spin smoothly. The frame always rode great, now it sounds great too. Over the years I've had James make me two frames, three forks, and repair a cracked Moots YBB and feel I've gotten an excellent return on every dollar it cost me.
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    Another update.
    First ride on it with the truss fork (non-Blacksheep) today and I think it might stay this way for a while.
    Fell back in love with my J-Bar. Awesome bars. So comfortable and so much control.
    Unfortunately my hoses are just slightly too short but I cannot be bothered changing out the hoses as then they will be too long with my flat bar.
    Loved it!!




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    What makes you think this is "standard"?
    Look well, you'll see front V-brakes and front road brakes calipers are designed to have smooth break lines with front brake lever on the left. Not that true anymore with discs though.
    Not that I really care what others do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eric_syd View Post
    Look well, you'll see front V-brakes and front road brakes calipers are designed to have smooth break lines with front brake lever on the left. Not that true anymore with discs though.
    Not that I really care what others do.
    Really??
    Looks pretty smooth to me.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    Really??
    Looks pretty smooth to me.

    Fair enough.

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    Finally

    After more than one year waiting due to parts availability, 2011 NAHBS, 2012 NAHBS, a shop move, and employee issues, I have a nice box sitting here from Black Sheep! More photos later.
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    Quote Originally Posted by panhndl View Post
    After more than one year waiting due to parts availability, 2011 NAHBS, 2012 NAHBS, a shop move, and employee issues, I have a nice box sitting here from Black Sheep! More photos later.
    Oh Hell Yeah.

    I remember opening the box when my BS arrived and thinking...."it can't be this light, can it?"..and then checking again, just to make sure, and then "oh wow, it is that light"

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    Congrats! Nice teaser.

    I remember getting the box and thinking "there's no way he fit everything in there" (36er), then, "how the hell do you put this fork/steerer tube/headset together", then after stuggling with that "WHERE'S MY F'ING PEDALS"!

    A few hrs later and I was rolling with a big smile that hasn't faded every time I get on the thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by driver bob View Post
    Oh Hell Yeah.

    I remember opening the box when my BS arrived and thinking...."it can't be this light, can it?"..and then checking again, just to make sure, and then "oh wow, it is that light"
    Mine was delivered in person by the importer and I remember sitting at a cafe unable to focus on the conversation. Never been so excited - I think it was a record build time 15 minutes after that coffee finished

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    Got the bike together. 23 lbs 3 ounces. No pedals or cages. For some reason i cant add photos from my phone. I would get up, but i went over the bars on a road bike today and am very sore. I'll post em tomorrow. Sorry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    Another update.
    First ride on it with the truss fork (non-Blacksheep) today and I think it might stay this way for a while.
    Fell back in love with my J-Bar. Awesome bars. So comfortable and so much control.
    Unfortunately my hoses are just slightly too short but I cannot be bothered changing out the hoses as then they will be too long with my flat bar.
    Loved it!!



    So who's "non-Blacksheep" truss fork is that? At first looks a lot like JONES truss, but than the details are different.

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    It was designed by Shannon Duggan down here in Australia.
    He has done a lot of bicycle design and has provided designs for James previously.
    He is now having his designs built in Asia under his brand Koiled.

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    Pics r up over on the Blacksheep Facebook page. Hopefully I'll get it all set up today and get it out Sunday or Monday.

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    Finally, put another 12 miles on her today. Great ride so far.

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    Dude, that may be the best head badge I've seen on a bike! Was that your idea? Too funny, sheep in wolves clothing.

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    Wish I could claim that honor, but no. I don't know who designed it, but James at Black Sheep has an artist named Jen Greene make them. I loved em too and just couldn't see owning the bike without one.

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    I'll join the flock... a sheep in unicorn's clothing here.

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/57415605@N03/7047604247/" title="headbadge by charliedeppe, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7113/7047604247_f04e0ea061.jpg" width="375" height="500" alt="headbadge"></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/57415605@N03/7035310135/" title="black sheep luna vista by charliedeppe, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7079/7035310135_034342d52e.jpg" width="332" height="500" alt="black sheep luna vista"></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/57415605@N03/7035309869/" title="black sheep luna vista by charliedeppe, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7123/7035309869_735bbe8513.jpg" width="500" height="332" alt="black sheep luna vista"></a>

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/57415605@N03/7035308677/" title="black sheep luna vista by charliedeppe, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7071/7035308677_07334faf25.jpg" width="500" height="332" alt="black sheep luna vista"></a>

    I can't imagine a bike with a better ride than this. It just rips corners and the Faith fork soaks up every bit of chatter. James, Todd, and Paul nailed every detail on this thing and graciously put up with all my phone calls and emails.

    A few build specs:
    16.5-17.5 CS
    70˚ HA
    72˚ SA
    23.5 Eff. TT
    12.5 BB height
    44mm Headtube

    The Faith is set up for me to run fat front and will easily handle a BFL. I will post more picts as soon as I have that wheel built. I can't wait to run this thing with a fatty up front.
    Also big props to the blacksheep crew for tossing in the media etched flask...I guess my old surly would have looked out of place on this rig.
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    The Unicorn is gorgeous.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unicorn View Post
    I'll join the flock... a sheep in unicorn's clothing here.
    That is really a slick bike, I freaking love it. Except the cruiser handlebars of course. But, that's just not my style.

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    Sheep finally arrived. Built it up rode it around the block and tore it back down. Top tube ended up being 1/2" short and the chanstay length measures between 17.3"-18" with the rockers. Have a brake line just sitting on the frame seeing if it would clear the bikepacking gear and fly rod and it is in the way. Design was to have the cable routed under the downtube or under the stay. Went round and round measuring a Highroller frame as it has been one of the best bikes I've ridden. This one needs a few adjustments.
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    Too bad to hear about the mis-made Sheep.....If your lucky, you might have back for next spring

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    Update to mine. Apologies it's a poor quality webcam snap.

    Swapped out the May's for some Ti-Cycles double s-bend Ti bars. Sweep is almost the same, they are a little wider but the reduction in trail noise is awesome.

    Just the seatpost to go now, probably September and I'm thinking a BS Infinite post.
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    Better order that post soon. Last bars took a few months.

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    Here are a few better photos of my Stellar as posted by TR earlier. It is steel and I love it. Black Sheep Photo Thread - Bring the flock together.-imageuploadedbytapatalk1335304128.755741.jpg
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    Does anyone have Todd's email address?
    If you you don't want to give it on thread please PM me.
    Much obliged...
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    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    Thanks bro...

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    great bike, nice back yard!
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    Re: Black Sheep Photo Thread - Bring the flock together.

    I'll post up my SS Phat Speedster
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    one more Black Sheep Photo Thread - Bring the flock together.-sam_0105.jpg
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    Time to wake up the Blacksheep thread.
    There are 2 Blacksheep in this pic.
    My ti Highlight with truss fork and Derek's suspended steel Stellar.

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    People still getting there Ti 29er from BlackSheep?

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    Waiting to here back from James about the repairs needed on my Highlight frame above.

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    FWIW James is now on his own (relatively) so I'd expect delays. I sure you'll get a more 1-on-1 experience but I can't foresee how he'd keep up with production until he gets some new talent trained up.

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    Just curious on your comment as a huge admirer of BS bikes - he is totally a solo builder now? I just got a Jeff Jones diamond ti with ti truss but thought long and hard about a BS. Just didn't seem like I could lay my hands on one any time in the reasonable future from what I've heard/read about his production. (Nothing bad - just the length of time it takes to get one). Also Adrenaline Bikes no longer offers his frames so that was one less avenue.

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    He's solo but hiring new talent from what I heard in Feb. May have changed since. The wait time in the past was due to them not wanting to speed it up as far as I know. Mentality was to make artistic bikes and spend as long as they needed on each one. Hence 18 month wait. If he has revamped his mentality and/or org structure he may be quicker/better but I'm not privy to that.

    The guys that left started their own thing, can't recall the name but I didn't really like their style. Look them up on bikerumor.

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    Re: Black Sheep Photo Thread - Bring the flock together.

    smiles
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    How many of them things do you have, wyoracerX?? Nice rides.

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    Just 2... For now 😊
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    The "other" company is Moonmen

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    Is Blacksheep still operating?
    Sent emails to both James and his new offsider with no response.
    Got a message from his offsider via MTBR a few months ago asking me to email him and James so that they both were aware of correspondence but nothing since.
    Sad to say but James gets flakier and flakier.

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    Yikes, hope you get your bike back, TR.

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    Yes he is still operating. Just call the phone number.
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    In Australia.
    Not quite as simple as it sounds.
    Concerning when you get an email saying that they have the frame and will get back to you "soon" and then crickets for months.

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    James is fully hard at it. He just rode Leadville and delivered my bike this week. Great guy, superb builder, and when I met him a couple of months ago was still working solo.

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    Would be good to actually get some responses from him and would be good to actually have my bike that I have already paid for repaired and returned to me as a matter of haste rather than him being off riding Leadville.

    Still, at least I have not had to wait as long as another guy I know with no correspondence.

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    I have a friend that's in the same boat, paid all money for complete bike. Would not return repeated phone calls, finally said bike was done well after 14 months and now still no bike and summer almost over.
    I know Black Sheep has a great reputation but things have changed.

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    He rode Leadville on a Saturday like every one else. He called me this week to be sure that the bike arrived safely and to see if I had any questions. No problems here. YMMV

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    Here's my newly refurbished Luna Vista!
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    Don't remember if I posted my BS in this thread before. Regardless, it's gone through some changes anyway, so here it is. Also, it may be for sale soonBlack Sheep Photo Thread - Bring the flock together.-sheep-2013.jpg

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    Nice bikes in the last two posts.

    Why the sale, bikeny? And what size?

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    I have no personal stake in BS but really admire his work so it bums me to hear that people can't reach him about their bikes. Deciding to go it alone doesn't mean that he can ignore his clients.

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    Nothing about this is new. Been this way for years. Mine took 9 months longer than quoted. Only got it completed after I sent a nasty email after no returned calls. Came without some parts and some wrong parts but its all water under the bridge. Love the bike but have since gotten 3 other customs by another guy as he's local and quick.

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    I sincerely hope that I never have to deal with Blacksheep again after I get my frame back.
    Was mean to have shipped on the 1st of this month.
    No sign and emails are not returned again.

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    After a wonderful refurb of my Luna Vista by James earlier this year I just received a new fork from him for my Matt Chester Mutinyman. When I made my deposit in August I asked him if he could get it done before year-end. Instead I received it the first week of November. Gorgeous welds!

    I wouldn't hesitate to get another Black Sheep. In fact I'm in the dreaming process right now to figure out what I want him to build me next. Obviously YMMV but James has been nothing but good to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by digit3 View Post
    After a wonderful refurb of my Luna Vista by James earlier this year I just received a new fork from him for my Matt Chester Mutinyman. When I made my deposit in August I asked him if he could get it done before year-end. Instead I received it the first week of November. Gorgeous welds!

    I wouldn't hesitate to get another Black Sheep. In fact I'm in the dreaming process right now to figure out what I want him to build me next. Obviously YMMV but James has been nothing but good to me.
    Must be local to him or something.
    I have now been without mine since February.
    I have had maybe 2 emails in that time.
    Last email was August (I think) promising it would be shipped on 1 November.
    That date came and went so I emailed him to follow up.
    No response since.
    If it ever breaks again I will just hang it up on the wall as I could not be bothered dealing with James again.

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    It so funny to read how people defend pathetic customer service just because they are a solo, US, hipster builder. If a chinese supplier treated someone the same way the "you get what you pay for" comments would be all over the place. Dumb.
    Small ring in front makes it easier. Small ring in back makes it harder. That blows my mind.

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    All I'm saying is that my experience has been good for the two jobs to date. And no I'm not local to James. Bummer that others haven't had the same results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lenny7 View Post
    It so funny to read how people defend pathetic customer service just because they are a solo, US, hipster builder. If a chinese supplier treated someone the same way the "you get what you pay for" comments would be all over the place. Dumb.
    Do you hate on porsche or ferrari drivers or others who have high dollar items that require patience with service and delivery timing?

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    My friend finally did receive his long waited 29er FS single speed bike from BS. He said it was worth the wait even though it was a stressful wait with broken promises and ********. The bike was put together wrong also, BB missing spacer and loose. Headset also was loose, scratch on frame from poor packing. The bike is beautiful and he loves it, so I guess that's what counts in the end!!
    So I would say kinda like the Germans "Porsche" they will never admit they were wrong!!

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    So true !!

    Quote Originally Posted by Lenny7 View Post
    It so funny to read how people defend pathetic customer service just because they are a solo, US, hipster builder. If a chinese supplier treated someone the same way the "you get what you pay for" comments would be all over the place. Dumb.

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    I don't want to defend James in response to your issues -- your complaints and experience are clearly valid. I will say that I have had two frames and forks made by James and had mods done on one frame and fork and he's been fantastic to deal with -- those two frames are my primary mtbs to this day (8 and 6 years old). I am local (60 miles away) and have visited his shop each time during my build process and during the mods. Even a decade ago when I first started eyeing a custom frame I quickly realized that there was no way I was going to deal with a builder at a distance -- far too many complaints of ignored emails and calls for almost every boutique custom builder. I wanted to be able to knock on the shop door if necessary (and that doesn't always work -- e.g. - Chester, Badger Bikes). Perhaps that's why my experience with James has been so good, as has that of the three close friends that have had frames/forks made by him -- he knows we can find him! My two frames and forks look pretty standard, but the custom tweaks I asked for make them unique. Many builders could have made comparable frames for me, but he was local and that really was what sealed the deal. I still follow custom frame building stories even though I'm not in the market for one and I still think the number one rule in picking a builder is to stay local. I'd make an exception for Walt Works -- he appears to be better at the customer service end of things than anyone else, regardless of how far away you live.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thefriar View Post
    Do you hate on porsche or ferrari drivers or others who have high dollar items that require patience with service and delivery timing?
    When did pointing out the truth become hating?

    I don't know much about cars other than my Jeep so I have no idea how those people react about other brands product and customer service. If it was the same as hypocrite bike snobs, then yes I would "hate."
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    Another week and another email with no response from James.
    If anyone lives near his factory, pop in and ask him to read and respond to his emails please.

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