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    Quote Originally Posted by subspd View Post
    Anyone know the top tube length compared to a Phantom HT 29er?
    http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/..._geochart.html for the Full Suspension Motos.

    And http://motobecane.com/29geometry.html for the Fantom Hardtail 29ers

    23.39 compared to 25.1 ETT for me.

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    Wow so an 1" +/- LESS? in comp sizes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by subspd View Post
    Wow so an 1" +/- LESS? in comp sizes...
    Yep, a couple posters commented on short ETT lengths in threads about this bike.

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    Mike any word on when the frame/fork will become available on bikeisland.com?

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    Just put in an order for the XO 30spd model in Large... I hope this bike works out well!!

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    msh213, Congratulations on the new bike. I hope you'll have time to post a detailed review after you get it and ride it.

    It looks like a great deal, but I'd rather have more info and ride reviews before I spend that much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furball the Mystery Cat View Post
    msh213, Congratulations on the new bike. I hope you'll have time to post a detailed review after you get it and ride it.

    It looks like a great deal, but I'd rather have more info and ride reviews before I spend that much.

    You got it. I have been in the market for a FS 29er for a year and a half now contemplating the Hifi, Epic 29, Anthem X 29, and a couple others. The price to component ratio on this bike would be hard to beat. If this thing last half as long as my 1998 Cannondale F700 (which is still going strong BTW), I will be ecstatic.

    And even if it doesn't... maybe in a couple years I will save up for a ellsworth or 9er bike and just swap over the XO component group.

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    Last edited by msh213; 06-20-2011 at 10:22 AM.

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    Yeah I'm thinking of doing the same exact thing. Just waiting to see what the 2012 Spesh Camber specs are before I pull the trigger. If they don't go 10spd and thru axle then the Moto FS will be my wife's new ride.

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    With the uber short TT this would make a great women's bike.

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    Except that my wife is 5'11... But it may still work. At least it's worth it's price for the parts alone. I could even swap over some DT Swiss wheels I have on another bike and then upgrade to Stans Arch... Hmmm. If the frame doesn't fit I'll buy just a frame. But I think a medium with a longer stem and setback seatpost would work. Still waiting to see the 2012 bikes from Spesh as my local LBS gives me killer prices on those bikes.

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    I've been hearing from BD this was coming for three years now only to find out no xl's for another year.

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    yep, no XL is a deal-breaker for us man-sized riders
    Mind your own religion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    With the uber short TT this would make a great women's bike.
    Funny that the top tube lengths on their medium and large models are slightly longer than on the Santa Cruz tallboy medium and large models. I guess the Santa Cruz Tallboys are only women's bikes too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by richwolf View Post
    Funny that the top tube lengths on their medium and large models are slightly longer than on the Santa Cruz tallboy medium and large models. I guess the Santa Cruz Tallboys are only women's bikes too!


    The Tallboy's also have a low BB so they really bring the suck even worse than these.

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    Quote Originally Posted by richwolf View Post
    Funny that the top tube lengths on their medium and large models are slightly longer than on the Santa Cruz tallboy medium and large models. I guess the Santa Cruz Tallboys are only women's bikes too!
    They would make a good women's bike, I never said only a women's bike. They do have a low BB also. The Motos do have a short TT, if the TB is even shorter then they would be even better for a woman. So now i don't know if I should be defending the Moto or the TB. And to think I was just trying to find the silver lining in the geo and you start all this Tallboy bashing.

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    Not sure how relevent this is but I am 6'3" (215) and the guys over there at BD seemed confident that the large frame would fit me quite well. After I asked about the no XL bike deal, they replied with the following...

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    Just sized one of my guys who is 6'2" on a medium sample we just got and he would ride the medium for racing. At 6'3" we would recommend a large with confidence, but remember that sizing is a personal preference and the choice is ultimately up to the consumer.

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    I am still a bit uncertain not being able to see if beforehand...

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    Quote Originally Posted by msh213 View Post
    Not sure how relevent this is but I am 6'3" (215) and the guys over there at BD seemed confident that the large frame would fit me quite well. After I asked about the no XL bike deal, they replied with the following...



    I am still a bit uncertain not being able to see if beforehand...


    If a 23.4" TT is long enough for you go for it. Compare it to your current ride and see how it adds up.

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    That large frame is huge, good for someone over 6'3" IMO

    I'm 6'2" and would probably go for the medium

    edit: oops, at first I thought it was 25.4, turns out 615mm = 24.21 in
    Last edited by esXso; 06-21-2011 at 10:05 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    If a 23.4" TT is long enough for you go for it. Compare it to your current ride and see how it adds up.
    Effective top tube is 24.1 on their large model. http://www.bikesdirect.com/products/..._geochart.html

    Their seat tube angle is 74 degrees which is a little steep. Using a set back seatpost might give more length in the cockpit without screwing up your pedal position.

    Personally I don't care who buys what bikes from whom. There are lots of good bikes out there. I have several bikes including a BD Ti frame bike with a rockshox fork I bought from them that I built up and also an inexpensive cross bike.

    For around $2300 I would also suggest looking at the Giant 29er FS bike. It's components probably aren't as good but for a few hundred more you get a more sophisticated suspension and some dealer hand holding.

    Bikes direct is what it is. Mail order with no customer support to speak of. If you are competent with wrenching they offer good values.

    I use to be in the bike business and mail order drove me crazy. I decided the biz wasn't for me and got out of it. If I was in the biz today I would focus more on service, and even have bikes direct ship me bikes that I could put together for my customers and charge them accordingly for my time. It would be a good way to pick up some extra labor biz and sell them parts and clothing.

    Railing against outfits like Bikes Direct and mail order isn't going to change the way things are. Everyone is getting squeezed. I imagine bike shops look for ways to save money too and that probably includes shopping on-line or at big box stores.

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    Huge? It is effectively a 20" frame with the TT length of a 19" frame. I see a bunch of guy's riding these singing "follow the yellow brick road".

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    Any word yet on being able to get the frame / fork only?

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    Here is an interesting read on bike frame sizing, top tube length etc. Even through they sell road bikes, much of Rivendale's info can be used for MTB sizing.
    They don't put a ton of weight into TT length which seems to be the holy grail for many desktop computer sizing geniuses.

    http://www.rivbike.com/article/bike_...g_a_frame_size

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    Quote Originally Posted by richwolf View Post
    Here is an interesting read on bike frame sizing, top tube length etc. Even through they sell road bikes, much of Rivendale's info can be used for MTB sizing.
    They don't put a ton of weight into TT length which seems to be the holy grail for many desktop computer sizing geniuses.

    http://www.rivbike.com/article/bike_...g_a_frame_size
    What a self rightcheous azz, its easy to post a link to something you obviously have zero working knowledge of. Have a good time on your ivory tower.

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    Thanks richwolf, but I disagree. I think stand over clearance is a lot more important for mountain bikes. Also the Motobecane has top tube cable routing that might snag or rub my shorts.


    Quote Originally Posted by richwolf View Post
    Here is an interesting read on bike frame sizing, top tube length etc. Even through they sell road bikes, much of Rivendale's info can be used for MTB sizing. ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Furball the Mystery Cat View Post
    Thanks richwolf, but I disagree. I think stand over clearance is a lot more important for mountain bikes. Also the Motobecane has top tube cable routing that might snag or rub my shorts.
    Standover clearance varies from bike to bike. Sloping downtubes are ok but usually when you standover a bike it is at least at the middle part of a top tube. Also full suspension bikes with higher bottom brackets have less standover than than a rigid or hardtail bike. Large volume tires also decrease standover. I have ridden mountain bikes since 1987 and I rode a softride beam bike for years. Absolutely no standover clearance and I never had issues with it.
    I think the main point of my link had to do with top tube length and not standover.

    In response to roadie scum:
    "An old man once said ...There comes a time in life, when you walk away from all the drama and people who create it. You surround yourself with people who make you laugh, forget the bad, and focus on the good. So love the people who treat you right, pray for the ones who don't. Life is too short to be anything but happy."

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker72 View Post
    It's probably safe to say it will work similar to other Faux Bar Link bikes like the Kona Hei-Hei 29 or the Voodoo Canzo 29. There will always be some variance but it should give you the general idea. Hopefully they are only trying to get a max of 4" of travel out of that shock instead of the 5" they claim on the 26" Motobecane full suspension frame.
    Pogostick... bobtastic design

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    Quote Originally Posted by schneidw View Post
    Pogostick... bobtastic design
    Probably very similar to my Canzo the Turner TNT designs.
    My Canzo with my rockshox rear shock in middle position rides great with a minimum of bob.
    Check out the reviews on the Canzo on this site. They are very positive.
    A pogo stick it is not. I find the worst pogo action on hardtails and suspension bikes alike come from the front shock.

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    All.... I lied. Cancelled my order and I am going with a Spec. Camber Pro 29er. I will post pics when I have it. Thx.

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    A 2011 or a 2012?

    I am also on the fence between a Camber and the Moto... Its for the wife and until I hear if they uprated the specs on the 2012 Camber I will wait. To me a bike with a 9x drivetrain and no thru axle front fork is really outdated. If they go 2/3x10 with a 20mm front axle on the Camber for 2012 I will go that route if not its the Moto for her...

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    Quote Originally Posted by subspd View Post
    A 2011 or a 2012?

    I am also on the fence between a Camber and the Moto... Its for the wife and until I hear if they uprated the specs on the 2012 Camber I will wait. To me a bike with a 9x drivetrain and no thru axle front fork is really outdated. If they go 2/3x10 with a 20mm front axle on the Camber for 2012 I will go that route if not its the Moto for her...
    I'm getting a 2011. I wan't a bike now so it will have to do. Not to mention I'm getting a pretty good deal on it. I hear the 2012's wont be out until after the Interbike expo in mid September, and even then they will only be available on a very limited basis to the biggest of spec. dealers.

    The Camber Pro 29 has a 2x10, so no worries about the 9spd Additionally, for what I am going to do with the bike, a 20mm thruaxel may be overkill.

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    Didn't notice the Pro ran a 2x10 thanks for the clarifiaction. Still I am basically hoping that the 2012 comes up to the Stumpjumper comp spec level with 20mm, tapered head tube, 2x10, but with only 100mm travel. Because that is what the Moto now offers and to many those should be standard items on ANY full suspension bike.

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    Yeah....

    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbikej View Post
    The BD bike looks almost like the KHS Flagstaff.







    EDIT: Nevermind.....the pivot on the rear dropout is different.
    ... but like you pointed out, The KHS is an FSR 4 bar suspension, not glorified single pivot faux bar.

    I love FSR design. Too bad Specialized owned the patent on it, therefore gets the royalties for it.

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    I just noticed someone felt the need to give me negative rep for a post in this thread... with a comment of "clueless" What gives? Just because I posted in a BikesDirect thread???

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    Quote Originally Posted by subspd View Post
    I just noticed someone felt the need to give me negative rep for a post in this thread... with a comment of "clueless" What gives? Just because I posted in a BikesDirect thread???

    Don't let it bother you. The whole "Rep" thing is kinda fcuking ghey IMO. But who am I to say?

    PS... +1 Rep to you for posting in a Moto thread.
    Mind your own religion.

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    Right back at you! +rep for thinking the same way I do. Isn't that what the whole 'rep' thing is really all about...

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    Quote Originally Posted by subspd View Post
    I just noticed someone felt the need to give me negative rep for a post in this thread... with a comment of "clueless" What gives? Just because I posted in a BikesDirect thread???
    probably has to do with the general disdain for moto/bd in general

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikesdirect View Post
    Once poroduction can catch up on Sml, Med, and Lar
    I expect these bikes will be basicly sold out for the first year [like the Ti 29er hardtails]

    We will offer more sizes probably this time next year
    "Next year"?? Why such limited quantity? Why so long to restock?

    I'm in the market for around a 17" frame MB or 29er or HT in the $500-750 range, maybe a bit more, and I don't think you have one left in that range in your entire inventory.

    I'm tired of looking, and signing up for your newsletter is a major hassle, too.

    I've pretty much given up on Bikesdirect for the above reasons. Very sad...

    Thanks for listening.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bikesdirect View Post
    ...Framesets will go on bikeisland in about 6 weeks or so....
    I see full bikes are shipping today, what's the ETA for frames/forks on bikeisland?

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    So brand new to the forum and pretty excited. I just received the fs 29er. I bought the cheaper one (I am sort of new to the mountain bike world) and after a little adjustment here and there the bike was ready to go. It rides really well and looks clean! Definitely going to have a lot of fun on this beast!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mikepyle8 View Post
    So brand new to the forum and pretty excited. I just received the fs 29er. I bought the cheaper one (I am sort of new to the mountain bike world) and after a little adjustment here and there the bike was ready to go. It rides really well and looks clean! Definitely going to have a lot of fun on this beast!
    Pics...

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    x2^^^

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    I received mine today too, I got the SRAM XO in the large frame. Its spending the night at the LBS waiting in line to get the brakes and gears dialed in better than I can. Should have her tomorrow afternoon. First impression, the bike looks huge but I expected that being a 29er.

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    yes pics please

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    Let's see it!!!

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    Im no photographer so that being said here are some pics that i would have liked to see in the ad for the bike. Its the SLX/XT 47cm model.
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    Man they are almost sold out of all of these. Where are all the ride reports? I want to know how this thing rides and what it really weighs. Is it plush or is it more of firm setup?

    After talking with the LBS today about the 2012 Camber it's off my short list. So it's really down to this and another Stumpy.

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    My girlfriend purchased a small size. Packed well, tapered steerer, platform fork with lockout/ blowoff that works and platform rear shock. Good breaks and excellent mix of xt slx finishing kit. For $1400 shiped!? How can you find fault with that ? The frame is beautiful . Only drawbacks, hubs are cheap and bar could be wider .... But for $1400 !? Good job bikes direct way to challenge the big names on value !

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    Looks nice..

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    kind of a related question... can you buy the ti fly 29er frame only??

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    Quote Originally Posted by gfourth View Post
    kind of a related question... can you buy the ti fly 29er frame only??
    Try the classified section of mtbr and bikeisland.com.

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