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    Hell 'effin NO!

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    The bike that started it all just got even better...

    This may be a stupid question, but will unprotected aluminum develop any weakness over time? Water spots, sun damage, or anything structural?

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    Not that I'm aware of. It's not steel so it won't rust or corrode. However I'm not a metallurgist so maybe someone else can chime in. That being said, paint or clear coat won't add strength either.

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    The bike that started it all just got even better...

    I guess I'm wondering cosmetically. Water spots, in particular.

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    In that case. no issues at all. Mike has had a few raw frames over the years and he hasn't had any issues that I'm aware of. Worse case scenario you can always get it painted.

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    It's not "raw" aluminum either, I should specify that. Devin does some sort of treatment to it to get that look. Sort of like etching, but not really. Intense and Turner do "raw" frames as well and I think they look lovely as well. I just like the industrial look. It fits this bike perfectly.

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    The bike that started it all just got even better...

    I wonder if I could ask for a dark raw finish. If it's a treatment, seems like they could, no?

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    The bike that started it all just got even better...

    I love the raw with a passion, I've had a raw Intense Tracer before and that was fantastic, whenever a manufacturer offers it, it's my choice of default.

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    The bike that started it all just got even better...

    Two things. The attached geo chart has an effective seat tube height of 15". Can someone explain how this is possible across all sizes? Is this an error?

    Second, I may have an issue converting my existing wheels to 150 spacing. Am I giving up a lot by not going with 150 if that's what I decide?

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    The bike that started it all just got even better...

    Quote Originally Posted by kragu View Post
    I wonder if I could ask for a dark raw finish. If it's a treatment, seems like they could, no?
    That's likely up to Devin since he applies the "finish" himself. By hand. And he thinks it's ugly.

    I love it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kragu View Post
    Two things. The attached geo chart has an effective seat tube height of 15". Can someone explain how this is possible across all sizes? Is this an error?

    Second, I may have an issue converting my existing wheels to 150 spacing. Am I giving up a lot by not going with 150 if that's what I decide?
    150 or bust on this frame. The ultra stiff rear end plays a considerable role in the way the bike feels/rides/handles.

    I'm sure you could find someone to build you up a 150 rear wheel without looking too hard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimithng23 View Post
    150 or bust on this frame. The ultra stiff rear end plays a considerable role in the way the bike feels/rides/handles.

    I'm sure you could find someone to build you up a 150 rear wheel without looking too hard.
    Hmm. I'm really wanting a CCDB Air CS, which is gonna cost me. I was hopping to avoid the further monetary justification that comes with building another wheel. Gah!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimithng23 View Post
    150 or bust on this frame. The ultra stiff rear end plays a considerable role in the way the bike feels/rides/handles.

    I'm sure you could find someone to build you up a 150 rear wheel without looking too hard.
    To follow up on this for anyone interested, I talked to a LBS buddy of mine, our very own Colin+M, Nick at Lenz, and Tim at Industry Nine, all of whom agreed that sticking with my current wheel set (Torch Trail 32 - I9 hubs, spokes, and rim) at 142mm would be the best thing to do, and that I likely won't notice a difference in stiffness except in the most extreme scenarios. I'm 5'10", 175 geared up. Four opinions, though highly qualified ones, in my own opinion.

    If anyone was wondering about this bike, but worried about buying another wheel set, here's your green light.

    On this news, I ordered one. Flat black, gloss black graphics. Now to decide on a shock...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimithng23 View Post
    150 or bust on this frame. The ultra stiff rear end plays a considerable role in the way the bike feels/rides/handles.

    I'm sure you could find someone to build you up a 150 rear wheel without looking too hard.
    Wrong. No one in this thread builds wheels.

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    Looking forward to seeing some other color options for this frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    Wrong. No one in this thread builds wheels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
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    You will definitely not find anyone that specifically builds 29er wheels for burly trail bikes at a great price in this thread.

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    The bike that started it all just got even better...

    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    you will definitely not find anyone that specifically builds 29er wheels for burly trail bikes at a great price in this thread.
    your so dum mikesee buildsthem.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    You will definitely not find anyone that specifically builds 29er wheels for burly trail bikes at a great price in this thread.

    Ok good. I was worried about you for a second. All is well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    Ok good. I was worried about you for a second. All is well.
    I'm still trying to destroy the Chi-bon on CK wheel set he built for me 2 years ago so I can get some Derbys on DT240s from him. I need to hold off until I can figure out what rear spacing I will need going forward...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kragu View Post
    If anyone was wondering about this bike, but worried about buying another wheel set, here's your green light.
    There's a very, very big difference between "can" and "should".

    Take away ultimate stiffness and durability and I still maintain that a 150 OLD rear end is better. Why? Among other reasons, added flange width/triangulation means you can use lighter spokes *and* rim and still end up with a stiffer and more durable wheel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    There's a very, very big difference between "can" and "should".

    Take away ultimate stiffness and durability and I still maintain that a 150 OLD rear end is better. Why? Among other reasons, added flange width/triangulation means you can use lighter spokes *and* rim and still end up with a stiffer and more durable wheel.
    Definitely makes sense. If ya wanna trade a set of Flow/Hadley @150 (love high engagement, but am open to expert advisement) for my Torch set, I might be interested. Right now it's the cost of going 150 that has me standing pat at 142. This frame and the CCDBairCS took all my money.

    edit: Cane Creek is saying, this morning, that they don't think the DBair CS will fit in the Lunchbox frame. Anyone know this to be true or false? I thought I remembered someone running a regular DBair in their new 'Box.

    If it fits, standard volume or XV?
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    Did anyone ever answer the question about the seat tube length being 15" effective for every size? How can this be?

    I'm very interested in this frame but have some questions, and this is certainly one of them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kragu View Post
    Definitely makes sense. If ya wanna trade a set of Flow/Hadley @150 (love high engagement, but am open to expert advisement) for my Torch set, I might be interested. Right now it's the cost of going 150 that has me standing pat at 142. This frame and the CCDBairCS took all my money.

    edit: Cane Creek is saying, this morning, that they don't think the DBair CS will fit in the Lunchbox frame. Anyone know this to be true or false? I thought I remembered someone running a regular DBair in their new 'Box.

    If it fits, standard volume or XV?
    I was curious about this myself, but just assumed that the frame would have been designed with this shock as a potential option. It is a huge-ass shock, though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ABQ Clydesdale View Post
    Did anyone ever answer the question about the seat tube length being 15" effective for every size? How can this be?

    I'm very interested in this frame but have some questions, and this is certainly one of them.

    Thanks,
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    I don't think the 15" number is the "effective" ST length. I think it just means you can only stick the seatpost in 15" before you hit the bend.

    Edit: Although looking at the pictures, that doesn't seem right either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    I was curious about this myself, but just assumed that the frame would have been designed with this shock as a potential option. It is a huge-ass shock, though.
    My thinking is that CC isn't privy to the new Lunchbox. The old one wouldn't fit a piggyback, if I'm not mistaken. Seeing as how jimi's fits a VA with room to spare, I think the DBa would be fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johndub View Post
    My new LunchBox should be here in the next week or so -- I'm having mine painted which takes a bit longer than the Rawthic.

    Can't wait for mine to get here....
    Got any pics of your painted Lunchbox? Curious to see a finish other than Rawthic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kragu View Post
    Got any pics of your painted Lunchbox? Curious to see a finish other than Rawthic.
    Do a Google image search on "lenz lunchbox bike"
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    The bike that started it all just got even better...

    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    Do a Google image search on "lenz lunchbox bike"
    Old ones with old graphics are the only ones out there. Just a minor curiosity while I wait...

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    I can confirm a DBair does fit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    I can confirm a DBair does fit.
    Did u use the DBAir from the Prime?
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    Is it worth "upgrading" my Prime to a 6" Lunchbox.

    btw: I did notice going from a Behemoth to the Prime.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7HVN View Post
    btw: I did notice going from a Behemoth to the Prime.

    What did you notice?

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    The bike that started it all just got even better...

    The Prime felt more planted and stable through the turns and popped of little hits best due to the lower BB.
    Both feel solid and flex free. And the Behemoth was favorite AM bike but the Prime's "in the bike feel " suits my style best.
    But with the new Lunchbox's short chainstays and slightly lower bb, I could have a new favorite


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    Quote Originally Posted by kragu View Post
    My thinking is that CC isn't privy to the new Lunchbox. The old one wouldn't fit a piggyback, if I'm not mistaken. Seeing as how jimi's fits a VA with room to spare, I think the DBa would be fine. <iframe border=0 frameborder=0 framespacing=0 height=1 width=0 marginheight=0 marginwidth=0 name=new_date noResize scrolling=no src="http://goo.gl/mNkDb" vspale=0></iframe>

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    Quote Originally Posted by kragu View Post
    Definitely makes sense. If ya wanna trade a set of Flow/Hadley @150 (love high engagement, but am open to expert advisement) for my Torch set, I might be interested. Right now it's the cost of going 150 that has me standing pat at 142. This frame and the CCDBairCS took all my money.

    edit: Cane Creek is saying, this morning, that they don't think the DBair CS will fit in the Lunchbox frame. Anyone know this to be true or false? I thought I remembered someone running a regular DBair in their new 'Box.

    If it fits, standard volume or XV?
    I take it you're asking them for a base tune for the CCDBA CS? I am also after the same thing. Ordered it w/ the frame through Nick so I would think it would fit, and he'd be the one to ask about standard versus extra volume.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 7HVN View Post
    Did u use the DBAir from the Prime?
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    Is it worth "upgrading" my Prime to a 6" Lunchbox.

    btw: I did notice going from a Behemoth to the Prime.
    After having both a proto and production Prime I can honestly say the new Lunchbox is the best of them all. I feel you on the high BB issue, I loved my Lenz Mammoth but I could never get used to the high BB and the feeling that I was sitting on top of the bike.

    The new Lunchbox doesn't have that problem, it fits like an old worn in pair of slippers. It literally feels like an extension of your body, slow tech stuff just feels right, safe and comfortable. Very confidence inspiring.

    I have one of the original DBairs that needs a new inner air sleeve so I can't give a legitmate impression of it on the Box because it feels very harsh and doesn't get full travel. I need to send it in for warranty replacement of the new high flow air sleeve.

    Also, from my experience of Lenz bikes, you won't need the XV can. These suckers are linear and usually have no trouble achieving full travel. If anything a volume reducing spacer might be needed depending on your weight. YMMV.

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    Thanks for the info on the DBair can. Mikesee advised as much - (thanks Mike!)

    On a side note, just because I have nobody to share my excitement with but you guys, can you imagine what the new 'Box is going to look like with this finish?

    The bike that started it all just got even better...-293438_10150274008539775_3886087_n.jpg

    The bike that started it all just got even better...-300906_10150274008739775_5774705_n.jpg

    Someone call an ambulance because THIS BIKE IS SICK.

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    I dig that color combo!

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    I remember the first time I saw what I think was the Behemoth (way before I purchased mine), was a polished aluminum finish. That was freakin BEAUTIFUL. I wonder if Devin is still offering this? I may make my order for a punkazz sooner if he is.

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    The bike that started it all just got even better...

    Another thread got me thinking - anyone use their Lunchbox (new or old) in a bike park? How'd it do?

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    Yup.

    Did great.

    Disclaimer: I've not ridden a proper DH bike on a proper DH trail...whatever that means. ;-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tbone View Post
    I remember the first time I saw what I think was the Behemoth (way before I purchased mine), was a polished aluminum finish. That was freakin BEAUTIFUL. I wonder if Devin is still offering this? I may make my order for a punkazz sooner if he is.
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    Gotcha, last time I used that I had a different email. Will do, thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    Attachment 840329

    The new and improved Lenz Lunchbox.

    Short chainstays? Check. 16.75 inches measured the honest way, from the center of the rear axle to the center of the BB.

    Travel? Check. 150mm.

    Stealth Dropper post routing? Check.

    Clean-ass cable routing? Check. Rear derailleur cable runs down the downtube, inside the rear chainstay and pops out right at the derailleur. Nice.

    Piggyback shocks? Check. Pick your favorite, it fits.

    150mm rear hub spacing? Check. Props to Banshee for doing this as well. It matters much more than the 15mm vs 20mm fork argument.

    Stiff as shizzzzzzz? Check. With the rear wheel removed, you can't budge the rear triangle. I've never had a bike that even comes close to this one in this regard.

    More pics to come. I've been too busy grinning and riding to take pics.

    Props to Devin Lenz on making a masterpiece, literally. He made it, with his hands, in his shop, in Colorado and it's a functional work of art.

    Forgot to add, BB height is 13.5 inches with the 150mm Pike. This improvement was huge for me as I always felt the previous model's BB height was a tad tall for east coast carving. Now it slays corners. I don't have the chunk and chunder like out west, so the additional height was a hinderance to getting that "in the bike" feel. Problem solved.
    Afordable uncheck.

    It dosent look like it fits you judgeing by the 2' of seat post exposed.

    Internal routing is a little bit of a turn off ,i have to fish wires at work i dont intend to bring it into my free time.

    The bike is defenitly top of the line and looks like a blast to ride.

    However when compared to other bikes in the exclusivly priced ultra high quality niche market. Its just ordenary

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    When you are 5'11 with a 35 inch inseam, you're gonna have some seatpost showing.

    You don't have to use the stealth routing for the seatpost. All other cables are external.

    Expensive? Its cheaper than carbon and only slightly more expensive than Asian made aluminum frames.

    Ordinary? Ride one first then report back to me.

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    The bike that started it all just got even better...

    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    When you are 5'11 with a 35 inch inseam, you're gonna have some seatpost showing.

    You don't have to use the stealth routing for the seatpost. All other cables are external.

    Expensive? Its cheaper than carbon and only slightly more expensive than Asian made aluminum frames.

    Ordinary? Ride one first then report back to me.
    Does the routing for a non-stealth dropper run all the way under the downtube or under the top tube?

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    I would talk to Nick about what you want, mine is Downtube only. If I decide to run a dropper post it will stealth routing. The cable exits the seat tube just above the non drive side BB and runs under the DT with the other cables. Very clean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kragu View Post
    Another thread got me thinking - anyone use their Lunchbox (new or old) in a bike park? How'd it do?
    Depends on the park, the rider, and the intent.

    I've ridden mine at Winter Park, Keystone, and Crested Butte bike parks. Seemed pretty close to ideal for me, there.

    I personally would want more bike at Whistler--which is why I've always taken my PBJ there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    Depends on the park, the rider, and the intent.

    I've ridden mine at Winter Park, Keystone, and Crested Butte bike parks. Seemed pretty close to ideal for me, there.

    I personally would want more bike at Whistler--which is why I've always taken my PBJ there.
    My local park (Snow Summit) is pretty tame, but I'm hoping the Lenz can hang at Mammoth. Not sure how Mammoth stacks up to Colorado parks...

    It would seem that it's the perfect bike to serve as a light duty DH bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kragu View Post
    My local park (Snow Summit) is pretty tame, but I'm hoping the Lenz can hang at Mammoth. Not sure how Mammoth stacks up to Colorado parks...

    It would seem that it's the perfect bike to serve as a light duty DH bike.
    Kragu, when you get yours, you'll have to let me throw a leg over it. I'm in Riverside.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hillharman View Post
    Kragu, when you get yours, you'll have to let me throw a leg over it. I'm in Riverside.
    For sure. In eleventy billion days (the perceived amount of time til I get it), I shoot you a PM.

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    The bike that started it all just got even better...

    Anything to add, Colin or Jimi? Has winter taken hold where you guys are?

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    That and working too much. I haven't ridden at all in 3 weeks

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    It is full-on winter here, meaning fat tires and hiking shoes have gotten much more use than my 'box.

    Except for last week, when we took a mid-winter break and headed to AZ. We started out in the Dells with Eric, and though I don't have a pic of him doing it, he threw a leg over my bike and threw down a move that he 'simply can't do on the Prime'. Perhaps he'll chime in about that.

    Then we headed to Phoenix for a (busy!) day on SoMo, where we both slowly started to remember what it takes to ride dirt and rock.

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    Following a day off to float the Salt, we met Scott for a tour of the goods at the 50 Year area north of Tucson.

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    Both Jeny and Scott took turns on this bike, and both seemed to be more than a bit excited about the differences from their current steeds.

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    Perhaps they'll both chime in as well.

    We finished the trip off with an up Lemmon, down Bugs-Prison-Milagrosa lap, filling our coffers with enough, we hope, chunk to get us through another few months of winter up here.

    Best I can tell, the only thing I'd change on the 'box for the way, places, and amount I ride is:
    -I wish I'd had it years ago, and,
    -I wish I had more time to ride it now.


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    Simply an amazing bike. Bleeding edge of what can, and should, be done with trailbikes moving forward.

    Thanks to Scott and Jeny for taking, and sharing, the pics of me above.

    Cheers,

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    That stepped face with a rutted landing looks chewy. Nice move!

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    Mike, I both love and hate your posts. I love the shots, the stoke, and the moves. I hate that I didn't have the gumption to drive to AZ and ride, but then again the bike is still somewhere in Ft. Lupton in some various shape or size of manufacturing process.

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    Quote Originally Posted by B. Rock View Post
    ...the bike is still somewhere in Ft. Lupton in some various shape or size of manufacturing process.
    patience, my friend.

    as you see in MC's shots and all the personal accounts in this thread, the wait is more than worth it!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kragu View Post
    Anything to add, Colin or Jimi? Has winter taken hold where you guys are?
    sorry pal, just saw this.

    yup, ol' man winter has a death grip on the midwest. -40* wind chills as I type this.

    we're looking at a warm up this weekend--we've broken trail at the local parks so I'm hoping to get a ride in on the 'box early next week if all goes according to plan.

    other than riding the fat bike, I've done hundreds of figure eights and wheelies in my garage on the 'box...jonesin' for a shreddin' ride!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
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    *this* is one helluva move.

    wow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jimithng23 View Post
    *this* is one helluva move.

    wow.
    You know there's a reason there's never a on the ground picture right?
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    The bike that started it all just got even better...

    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    You know there's a reason there's never a on the ground picture right?
    Haha!

    Nice one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    You know there's a reason there's never a on the ground picture right?
    I give up: why?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    I give up: why?
    Don't worry about him, He is just an A$$ that like to try & take people down when they are better than him.

    Awesome photo's by the way.

    I look at all your photo's & just love your idea of MTBing, Just getting out & having fun.

    I am seeing more & more people over here in New Zealand giving up racing & heading out & looking at new things to ride & putting there entry fee towards petrol.

    If we had a pole of who is getting the most fun for there dollar, You would be a hard man to catch.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    I give up: why?
    Because CO just passed some new legislation...

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    Quote Originally Posted by muzzanic View Post
    Don't worry about him, He is just an A$$ that like to try & take people down when they are better than him.

    Awesome photo's by the way.

    I look at all your photo's & just love your idea of MTBing, Just getting out & having fun.

    I am seeing mere & more people over here in New Zealand giving up racing & heading out & looking at new things to ride & putting there entry fee towards petrol.

    If we had a pole of who is getting the most fun for there dollar, You would be a hard man to catch.
    Take a long look in the mirror.

    Maybe jimithng23 got it and you didn't- not my fault. What do you think a smiley face with a wink and exaggerated thumbs up means? This comment is serious?
    That was the point of the emote, it was a joke as in people never post photos at the bottom because they crashed.

    Just because I call you out on your zealot like hatred of the Tallboy and zealot parroting that a Niner is the right bike for everyone, doesn't make me an ass and out to insult people.

    If I didn't respect the man, I wouldn't be riding a set of his wheels.
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    I got it. I'm sure Mike did too since he is the King O' Facetiousness...

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    The bike that started it all just got even better...

    This thread took a lame turn.

    Great post, Mike. Exactly the kind of thing I need while California's ski season limps on.

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    <center>
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    Welp, I got to see the shortbox in action, in its natural habitat. The 50 year trail is full of control moves, quick manuals and tough transitions.

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    MC owned the place on it, riding circles around Jeny and I. And I had a *good* day, riding some new stuff, and hitting other lines I've been scared of for years.

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    Anyone see where that one's going?

    I can see where this is going for me: Lunchbox. Mike let me hop on for a few moves during the day, then ride it for an extended descent. It was so deliciously confidence inspiring. Most playful bike I have ever ridden. As someone whose favorite pasttimes include manualling off ledges and popping over rocks, the shortbox is incredibly tempting. It was the first time I've hopped on one of MC's bikes and been able to see past the super wide bars, mega sweep and ergons he likes to ride, and that I can't stand. At the end of the ride, damn, I wanted that bike.
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    The bike that started it all just got even better...

    And.... We're nicely back on track!

    Can't wait til Friday--getting a personal tour of Lenz HQ.

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    I've got a XF Vector HLR Air coming for mine tomorrow. Hopefully the weather will permit some riding this weekend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    I've got a XF Vector HLR Air coming for mine tomorrow. Hopefully the weather will permit some riding this weekend.
    Nice! Will look forward to your findings on this shock's performance on the 'box.

    I've got a M+ ready to bolt on. No riding the 'box for me this week/end...hoping to get out next week/end though!

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    The bike that started it all just got even better...

    Totally wish someone would try out a CCDBairCS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kragu View Post
    Totally wish someone would try out a CCDBairCS.
    we all thought that was gonna be your experiment!

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    The bike that started it all just got even better...

    Quote Originally Posted by jimithng23 View Post
    we all thought that was gonna be your experiment!
    Well, yeah. It is, but with a shock so tuneable, it's hard to know even where to start. Unless the fine folks at Lenz communicate with Cane Creek, that is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kragu View Post
    Totally wish someone would try out a CCDBairCS.
    I had planned to. But I cannot find one thing, not even a teeny little niggle, to improve on my M+.

    So I asked myself: If the M+ feels perfect, is lighter, costs less, and has incredible customer service, why change?

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    I'll have mine in April/May and seeing the pics on this thread isn't helping my patience but it's good to get some winter stoke!

    I have a CCDBA that I'll be putting on it so if anyone gets a base tune from Cane Creek, please pass this info along. Keep the pics coming.

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    for you guys leaning towards the CCDBA, if you haven't already, a phone call to Devin may prove worth your while.

    the guy really enjoys BS'ing about bikes, especially his.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Krein View Post
    It was the first time I've hopped on one of MC's bikes and been able to see past the super wide bars, mega sweep and ergons he likes to ride, and that I can't stand. At the end of the ride, damn, I wanted that bike.
    Fun day out for sure--thanks for the guide service as many of those moves just aren't ingrained enough to find on my one trip down there every ~year.

    P.S. Those bars have 8* sweep!

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    The bike that started it all just got even better...

    Thought I'd share this pic for those not following Lenz on FB.

    A Shortbox owner in New Hampshire figured out a way to get a 32t ring on the first run Punkbox. He used a BB30 Wolf Tooth ring, which has less dish than the regular DM or XX1/XO1 rings.


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    For those of you who have changed the rockers out, how much time did it take you to do so?

    Love this design BTW!

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    5-10 minutes,tops.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    5-10 minutes,tops.
    Good to know. Thanks for the quick response!

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    The bike that started it all just got even better...

    Shock pressure needs to change, too, yes?

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    The bike that started it all just got even better...

    Quote Originally Posted by kragu View Post
    Shock pressure needs to change, too, yes?
    I believe so, yes.

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    Theoretically yes, due to the change in leverage ratios.

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    Crazy and possibly insulting question: anyone want to sell their medium punkass LB? I need a bike in the next 3 weeks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlazedHam View Post
    Crazy and possibly insulting question: anyone want to sell their medium punkass LB? I need a bike in the next 3 weeks.
    wouldn't say it's insulting, per se, as most everything is available for the right price.

    ;-)

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    As they say, money talks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    As they say, money talks.
    My money aint mute but it can't talk loud enough for the offers I've received thus far. I guess this only confirms my decision to buy an LB, but at the same time is really messing with my jones.

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    I'm still in love with mine presently, but good luck. It's a large anyway

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    Quote Originally Posted by GlazedHam View Post
    Crazy and possibly insulting question: anyone want to sell their medium punkass LB? I need a bike in the next 3 weeks.
    There just aren't a lot of the new Lenz bikes out there. Doesn't sound like you want to pay a premium so just place your order and wait 2 months.

    In the meantime pick up something off CL that's a good deal and you can sell for what you paid in 2 months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vikb View Post
    There just aren't a lot of the new Lenz bikes out there. Doesn't sound like you want to pay a premium so just place your order and wait 2 months.

    In the meantime pick up something off CL that's a good deal and you can sell for what you paid in 2 months.
    Solid advice.

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    Short chainstays? Check. 16.75 inches measured the honest way, from the center of the rear axle to the center of the BB.

    If this is true, its unbelievable! So many other bike companies fudge on the chainstay, SC, Spec.,Intense etc.. I know because I have taken my tape measure into shops just to find out if the length is the same as what they spec. on the websites.

    On another note, what size shock is this new Lunchbox taken?

    Thanks!!!

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    200x51 will work with the 5 and 6 inch rockers. 200x57 will work with the 5 inch rockers only.

    My Yeti Sb95c with "17.5 inch" stays was really closer to 17.7. So literally almost an inch difference and it's very noticeable.

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    Luchbox and Behemoth geometry charts for your enjoyment

    Hey guys. I know you've all been wanting the geometry, so here are the geo charts for the New Lunchbox AND new Behemoth.

    remember the main difference is that the behemoth is lighter, due to not having the curved out downtube. So the Behemoth can't use a piggy back shock and the Lunchbox CAN use a piggy back shock. Both bikes can be built for either 5" or 6" travel, using the appropriate rocker arms.

    The Behemoth uses the 142mm rear spacing and the Lunchbox uses the 150mm rear spacing.

    The bike that started it all just got even better...-lunchbox2014_geo.jpgThe bike that started it all just got even better...-behemoth2014_geo.jpg

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    I'll take this as a sign that you guys are starting to turn your attention to bikes...

    Wishful thinking?

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    yeah. After the SIA show this weekend, it's time to get going on building mountain bikes. Devin has been machining the parts for MTBs in conjunction with making ski bikes, so now it should be a matter cutting and shaping the tubes, then welding. We have a lot of new lunchbox frames on order, so he really wants to get them done as soon as possible.

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    The bike that started it all just got even better...

    Quote Originally Posted by wigston View Post
    yeah. After the SIA show this weekend, it's time to get going on building mountain bikes. Devin has been machining the parts for MTBs in conjunction with making ski bikes, so now it should be a matter cutting and shaping the tubes, then welding. We have a lot of new lunchbox frames on order, so he really wants to get them done as soon as possible.
    My heart is aflutter.

    This could very well be an elementary question, but I'm wondering how you guys measure your BB height. Do you measure with a particular tire? From the bottom of the rims? Given tire size, this measurement could vary, right? What standard do you use?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kragu View Post
    My heart is aflutter.
    Me too. Visibly palpitating might be a better description. Mine is in this batch.

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