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    Finally, I have to say that a couple other things have happened to make this bike perfectly timed:

    1. PIKE. Amazingly best fork ever. I love it every time I ride. It converted me from rigid the way George Costanza converts hetero women into lesbians.

    2. DHF tires.

    The package is amazing, and the thought that I can use a CCDB on the Box, lose nearly an inch of wheelbase, keep my BB where I like it has the wheels spinning.

    Sorry Keith from Banshee. We can agree to disagree that longish stays are a good idea on 29" bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mxer View Post
    I am digging this USA made bike!What is the wheelbase and standover on the medium size frame?How wide can we go on the tire size out back?Would be nice to have an optional rear with a little longer stays to fit the surly knard/dirt wizard tires.I am looking for a one bike quiver.
    My medium production frame has a 45.5" wheelbase, 16.72" stays, and 29.5" standover.

    I've run 2.5" Dissents on MTX33's as well as 2.5" Minion DHF's on P35's and Derby rims. Plenty of clearance for both.

    I have zero interest in running Knard's or Dirt Wizard's on this bike--you'd never be able to keep air in them, and I tend to like riding more than fixing flats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel View Post
    Finally, I have to say that a couple other things have happened to make this bike perfectly timed:

    1. PIKE. Amazingly best fork ever. I love it every time I ride. It converted me from rigid the way George Costanza converts hetero women into lesbians.

    2. DHF tires.

    The package is amazing, and the thought that I can use a CCDB on the Box, lose nearly an inch of wheelbase, keep my BB where I like it has the wheels spinning.

    Sorry Keith from Banshee. We can agree to disagree that longish stays are a good idea on 29" bikes.

    I'm thinking that a certain well-loved Prime frame is going to be for sale in a few weeks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee View Post
    I'm thinking that a certain well-loved Prime frame is going to be for sale in a few weeks...

    It has at least one more trip in it. I love the bike, but I think it can be improved.
    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel View Post
    It has at least one more trip in it. I love the bike, but I think it can be improved.
    I meant Monday after that trip.

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    Thanks Mikesee I appreciate the info!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel View Post
    It has at least one more trip in it. I love the bike, but I think it can be improved.
    I was wondering when you'd chime in here

    There isn't anything the Prime does that this doesn't do better. The rear end on the 'Box is stiffer as well. I'm not hatin' on the Prime, just sayin'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mxer View Post
    lenz is gonna do the behemoth with the short stays also.Just emailed for the geo chart for the new lunchbox.
    Now that is intriguing. The LB looks awesome, but overkill for my local riding. A punkass Behemoth on the other hand...tempting, very tempting.

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    ^^ Interesting indeed. Curious to see the weight spread from Mammoth -> Punk Behemoth -> Punk LB frames.

    I have this Pike fork sitting in my garage along with some other sweet bits and they just need to go on SOMEthing...and the decision keeps getting harder (it's a good problem to have!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by B. Rock View Post
    ^^ Interesting indeed. Curious to see the weight spread from Mammoth -> Punk Behemoth -> Punk LB frames.

    I have this Pike fork sitting in my garage along with some other sweet bits and they just need to go on SOMEthing...and the decision keeps getting harder (it's a good problem to have!)
    Life is good, You can take a good bike & remove the fork & then you are left with a bike that needs a new Fork & a Fork that needs a new bike.

    I used to not have enough wheel sets for my bikes & now I don't have enough bikes for my wheel sets.

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    Thats my problem, I have enough parts lying around for 2 or 3 bikes so I keep wanting to hang the parts on new frames

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    Quote Originally Posted by Colin+M View Post
    Thats my problem, I have enough parts lying around for 2 or 3 bikes so I keep wanting to hang the parts on new frames
    Parts are so much easier to find when you bolt them to a frame.

    Then you get to order more spares.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel View Post
    I found in hardtail testing that a short rear allows you to have a very low BB and still get away without hanging too much on ledges because the rear wheel hits the rock sooner. Get it?

    At least I think that is what you are saying. Best of both worlds IMO.
    We're saying the same thing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel View Post
    6'1" here, and I disliked the large LB. The Medium was just right.
    Enel,

    I owned a MED Lunch Box (which was stolen after 4 rides) and at 5'11" my knees would hit the controls on tight turns with a 70mm stem. How could you ride a MED at your height? My inseam is an average 32". The new LB has me tempted, but logic says I shouldn't be on a large, with riders taller than me riding the same size. Confused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by highrustler View Post
    Enel,

    I owned a MED Lunch Box (which was stolen after 4 rides) and at 5'11" my knees would hit the controls on tight turns with a 70mm stem. How could you ride a MED at your height? My inseam is an average 32". The new LB has me tempted, but logic says I shouldn't be on a large, with riders taller than me riding the same size. Confused.
    Dunno. My legs are longer and therefore my torso is shorter. I size for torso and let my legs deal with it. 60mm stem on mine. Ran the bars pretty low as well.

    Fit is subjective.
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    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel View Post
    150 Check
    I can use my CCDBa Check
    Short stays Check.

    That BB height has me interested. Perfect IMO. Even for Chunk. NOt sure how he did it because the pre-pro I saw from Mikesee was something like 14.25" HIgh BB's feel hobby horse to me at slow speeds. They have their advantages, but I don't like the feel.

    I have been off Lenz frames for a few years, but this one has me interested.
    Agree. Would prefer the pedaling characteristics of the BMC or 9er, but the geometry is getting dialed. My 13.2" bottom bracket is great. With 29er wheels your approach angles change and you don't have as many problems as the tippy 26ers that would high-center easily. Been DH riding and racing and no problems there (with plenty of big roots to catch on and abrupt drop-offs to possibly hang up on). The other thing is that riding on 29er wheels, you want to feel "in" the bike and not way over the top and disconnected. Old long and high 29ers just feel crappy compared to a low dialed in 26er on a downhill or fast snappy trail. Newer 29ers like this Lenz completely change that (I'm riding similar geometry on my 29er). It's still a 29er, but it's finally a 29er that rips and allows the chassis to take advantage of the wheel size to the highest degree, rather than be held back by sub-optimal geometry.

    16.7-17.2 stays, 6" of travel, 67 HA, 13.2-13.6" BB, these numbers make for ripping bikes, especially with today's lighter carbon bikes.
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    Took delivery of my frame today.

    Unboxed, built as far as I could get without getting the crown race set.

    This frame in Rawthic looks amazing - industrial & mean, ready to get filthy and stomp the s##t out of some gnarly trail. However, I'd imagine this finish isn't for everyone...it's.....for lack of a better term, RAW, living up to it's name. It ain't purty by any means, but I love it.

    Should have the build completed tomorrow...pics forthcoming!

    ...cannot wait to ride this beast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbsocal View Post
    Colin,

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    Does the new frame take the same size shock (7.875 x 2.0, 200x51)?

    I hope they update the Lunchbox specs on their site...

    JB
    I'm interested in what size shock the new LB is running too.

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    The bike that started it all just got even better...

    The VA I'm running is 200x57

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    Hey Guys, just wanted to let you know that we are also doing the new Behemoth with the super short chain-stays. It will have the new slick looking top tube, but the down-tube will stay the same as it is now to keep the frame lighter. So the Moth will be a lighter version of the box with 5" travel. So if you like the Box, but want something a bit more XC oriented, the behemoth is a good choice. Email us at sales@lenzsport.com if you want to see the geometry chart for either the Box or the Moth.

    Thanks,
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    Quote Originally Posted by highrustler View Post
    Enel,

    I owned a MED Lunch Box (which was stolen after 4 rides) and at 5'11" my knees would hit the controls on tight turns with a 70mm stem. How could you ride a MED at your height? My inseam is an average 32". The new LB has me tempted, but logic says I shouldn't be on a large, with riders taller than me riding the same size. Confused.
    Hi, Nick @ Lenz Sport here. I had a similar issue with the medium lunchbox. I'm just over 6', and with a 32" inseam. I go large for my frames. Medium Box rode great, but my knees got intimate with the controls from time to time. It depends a lot on riding style too. If this bike is your "freeride" trail bike, perhaps one size down is good so you can have a more compact bike for drops and such. You may just have to deal on the climbs and get used to it. If you want to use this bike for more longer rides with lots of climbing, I would go with the large. Also, remember that standover heights on the new LB and Moth are going to be lower, so at 5'11" and a 32" inseam, you should have no problems being comfy on a large frame.

    thanks,
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    Quote Originally Posted by B. Rock View Post
    Weight? And 1x only, yes?

    Like the way the Lenz's ride. Torn between this and Mammoth for a one bike quiver. The short CS's and burliness of the 'box are appealing, but the weight and possible efficiency increase of the mammoth make it tough to choose.

    Also curious to your thoughts on the monarch plus vs CCDBA (I think you had one on a Spider Comp?)
    and the new Behemoth will be right in between the box and the Mammoth. It will have the short chainstays like the box, so maybe that would be the choice for you. you can see my thread below with the line drawing of the new behemoth.

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    The bike that started it all just got even better...

    Piggyback shock is not an option on the Behemoth, I believe. So if that's a factor in your decision...

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    that's correct. If you need the piggy back shock, the LB is the one. We can do 5 inch travel LB frames too. we just don't advertise that option.

    Nick@Lenz Sport

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    jimithing...cannot wait to see your bike! I am about ready to add the LB Punckass to the stable along side the Milk Money. Rawthic is my color choice as well. Hopefully we'll be able to connect when you come out west for the next trip. I don't think I'll have mine put together until spring though...gonna put a deposit on frame and then start collecting parts so that my wife doesn't add up the total cost : ) Gotta connect with mikesee about a wheelset - will be my second from him.
    Grow some food for yourself.

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