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    Bike check - Mikesee's Lenz Lunchbox 29er

    Any questions about fork and equipment should be directed to mikesee.

    Mike left me his bike and asked me to take it for long walks in the rain in North Vancouver. Since its a borrowed bike I'm trying to be gentle and took it for a pedal on the trail which we send beginners down on Mt Fromme. Unfortunately it wasn't raining but it was wet

    Here's the Lenz Lunchbox 29er on Seventh Secret, Leppard, Crinkum Crankum, then Cedar Trail.

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    First the climb.



    Then the descent





    Some optional stunts which can be bypassed but traction was good





    Impressive rock work by Dean R has held up over several years



    The District of North Vancouver's trail crew has been busy and rebuilt some ladder bridge sections





    Then a helmet cam on the trail rebuilt by the District of North Vancouver - Bobsled. Today was the ribbon cutting ceremony and the opening day. Pictures and article here. http://www.pinkbike.com/news/bobsled...hore-2010.html

    I'm the one with the cockeye mounted helmet cam

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    Who did the music in the first video?
    I thought of that while riding my bicycle. ~ Albert Einstein on the theory of relativity

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    Like!

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnfiend
    Who did the music in the first video?
    Its "Understated" by Abakus

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    No questions about fork and equipment - but if you had to choose between this and say something North Shore suited in a smaller wheelsize (either 26 or 650b) which would be your "weapon" of choice?

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    What type of link does lenz use? Are they as efficient as a Turner with DW-Link?
    05 Spesh Rockhopper

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    WOW! Awesome Bike!
    Awesome video too. What camera were you using and which video editing program.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FalloutMan
    What type of link does lenz use? Are they as efficient as a Turner with DW-Link?
    This should be good............CF.

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    nice vid..............for beginners????

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    nice pics and video, looks like fun

    Quote Originally Posted by FalloutMan
    What type of link does lenz use? Are they as efficient as a Turner with DW-Link?
    single pivot

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    Looks like a whole bunch of fun. I'd love to get my Lunchbox out there.

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    CF - I used a 7D with a 15- 85 Canon lens. Also used a Drift HD 170 camera.

    starre- yeah - we need more beginner trails. Some trails are getting built lower on the mountain for beginners but for the longest time this is where the newbs got sent. Not very friendly

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeL
    Since its a borrowed bike I'm trying to be gentle
    Screw that. Ride it like it's rented.

    And take lotsa pics and vid along the way...

    MC

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    How would the Lunchbox compare to an Intense 6.6? Would it pedal relatively close to the same efficiency? I'm really interested in one of these things, but I don't know how the hell I'd ever have the chance to ride one.

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    Great videos - and that Bobsled run looks sweet! Good stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikesee
    Screw that. Ride it like it's rented.

    And take lotsa pics and vid along the way...

    MC
    Nice vids Lee!

    Way more light than we had up there last year hey MikeSee?
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    XC ride in Squamish - dark dark trails

    <iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/15587371?portrait=0" width="550" height="309" frameborder="0"></iframe><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/15587371">Lenz Lunchbox 29er on some Squamish XC trails</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/leelau">Lee Lau</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>

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    awesome videos - thanks for sharing

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    Thanks LeeL

    really like the vids

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    Sooo Mike...
    What wheels do you have on that rig?

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    Quote Originally Posted by wedge
    Sooo Mike...
    What wheels do you have on that rig?
    First gen MTX 33 rims laced to DT hubs with DT Comp spokes and DT Prolock alloy nips. Pretty basic, in a burly-so-I-don't-need-to-worry-about-'em sorta way.

    I've tried lighter (Flows) and heavier (Holms) rims on this bike, and really prefer the overall package that the current combo delivers.

    Cheerios,

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    It was a greasy day in North Van. 60mm of rain fell the day before. I promised to see what parts of Mike's bike I could break so we went for a ride on Seymour - climbed up to trails that could take the rain. It was a sunny day so a bit tough for pictures. But the wood was suitably greasy (ie so slick you could barely stand on it) and the rock-faces weren't much better. It was a good test of point and shoot ability plus very ABS-like brake control.











    I let Jimmy get on the bike so I could get some pictures with the low-light specialist 7d and a fast lens





    Also tried to test Mike's wheel build





    The bike passed - mike it's going back in a box to you tomorrow with all parts intact

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    Video from that Seymour greasy ride

    <iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/15757332?portrait=0" width="550" height="309" frameborder="0"></iframe><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/15757332">More 29er on the Shore</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/leelau">Lee Lau</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>

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    Greazy

    Nice! I guess platforms are a must in that greaze..

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    Any impressions beyond the great imagery?
    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    Any impressions beyond the great imagery?
    - Either the White Bros isn't tuned for me (likely) or its not a very good fork. It needs a bit more compression. I thought the Lenz's rear suspension was quite a good deal better than the WB front fork. That was my only setup nit-pick

    - Those WTB Dissent tires are really good. The first WTB tires I didn't think were dogsh*t

    - The Lenz handles really well on rocks and roots. I don't find the 29er wheels to be an issue with turning tight corners. On the moves where I can finesse a 26 bike around, I can finesse the 29er. Where I have to nosepick and wheelhop a 26er I have to do the same with this 29er. Basically it handles like a pretty nimble 26" bike. Here's the geo on it btw - http://www.lenzsport.com/detail.php?prodID=5

    - Fortunately Mike and I are almost the same size so the bike fit me perfectly so setup of rider compartment wasn't an issue. Like me he uses a short stem.

    - I really liked the 67.5 degree head angle slackness of the Lenz. There's a school of though among some 29er adherents that steep angles on 29ers are OK because its a 29er so the rider is set back more. Being one of the few people to have ridden a slack 29er (and I'll note that, as of this date, 150mm front and rear is long-travel for a 29er) and a more conventional steep head-angled 29er on the Shore I would have to respectfully disagree. I would urge those people who believe that steep head angles belong on technical trails to find some outrageously technical trails and locate a slack 29er (that will be a difficult thing to do at this time) and try it out for themselves.

    - This bike really shone when picking its way through rock gardens, steep downhills and cross-hatched root gardens. I was keeping up to capable riders on Transition Blindsides and Specialized Demo 9s on that kind of terrain only having problems on drops to flat (see the part of the video where I ejected off the bike on the compression drop) and lousy run outs from steeps where my front end would pack up. I'd have to attribute this in large part to the 29 tires

    I'm sure there'll be some other questions and I'll do my best to answer them. I told Mike I wasn't committing to writing a review; that takes a lot of time and care - more time than I had. However, I was pretty happy I took the opportunity to expand my horizons and try a 29er that was actually built with technical trails in mind. I have to say that I hope other 29er manufacturers take their cue from this bike. I see Banshee already is with the prototype Prime.

    It's been a pretty cool journey since I hopped on my first 29er (the Rocky Altitude) earlier this year and I hope it doesn't end. It's always nice to try something new. It's particularly nice when that something new actually works.

    Here's some comparable geo numbers between bikes I've tried btw with the exception being the Banshee Prime which doesn't exist as yet.

    Here's my review of the Altitude 29er which I frankly found underperformed in very technical trails but was competent in mildly technical trails. First Looks and full review.

    I haven't written up my impressions on the Shinobi as yet. I had the prototype bike with a 120 mm front fork. I am not willing to review a proto bike so will wait till I've had the opportunity to try a bike with the 140mm front end.

    Here's videos of the Shinobi in action - nothing on technical trails though. These videos are taken on fast rolling singletrack where frankly I would hope that a 29er excels

    <iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/13752918?portrait=0" width="550" height="309" frameborder="0"></iframe><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/13752918">Sneak peek Norco Range and Norco Shinobi</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/leelau">Lee Lau</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>

    <iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/14140895?portrait=0" width="550" height="309" frameborder="0"></iframe><p><a href="http://vimeo.com/14140895">Norco Shinobi</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/leelau">Lee Lau</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>


    (Wheelbase - Lenz 1140 - RM Altitude - 1129 Norco Shinobi 1149 - Banshee Prime proto- 1155)

    (Chainstay - Lenz 441- RM Altitude - 452 - Norco Shinobi 450 - Banshee Prime proto - 448)

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    Mike does your LunchBox have a tapered headtube?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sikocycles
    Mike does your LunchBox have a tapered headtube?
    Not Mike, but it is tapered and he has a tapered WB 150 to go with it (only two in existence and they aren't making more to my knowledge)
    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeL
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    I'm sure there'll be some other questions and I'll do my best to answer them. I told Mike I wasn't committing to writing a review; that takes a lot of time and care - more time than I had. However, I was pretty happy I took the opportunity to expand my horizons and try a 29er that was actually built with technical trails in mind.
    Lee, so would this bike be your 29er weapon of choice for the Shore?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeeL

    - I really liked the 67.5 degree head angle slackness of the Lenz.
    Good info. Did you notice the BB height of the Lenz in one way or another?

    It seems the trend in the AM bike world is to super low bottom brackets and I wonder how that is working out for you on the Shore. The Lenz is higher than a comparable 150mm travel 26" bike.
    Quote Originally Posted by buddhak
    And I thought I had a bike obsession. You are at once tragic and awesome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nevada 29er
    Lee, so would this bike be your 29er weapon of choice for the Shore?
    Put it this way. Its a step in the right direction.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Enel
    Good info. Did you notice the BB height of the Lenz in one way or another?

    It seems the trend in the AM bike world is to super low bottom brackets and I wonder how that is working out for you on the Shore. The Lenz is higher than a comparable 150mm travel 26" bike.
    I didn't notice the high BB. Generally though I adjust to BBs that are low and high. Although something very low (my Demo 7 has a high 12s BB height which is very low) needs more adjustment. So I can't say either way

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    Hi nice looking bike I am looking into these as well, what shock is he running on the lunchbox. What would be the best coil shock without a piggy back as they won't fit?

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