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    Best $500 29er wheelset?

    Just about bought a mavic tn719/shimano xt 36 hole wheelset today, but, I figured I should ask about them first. I'm replacing the stock set on my '09 rockhopper (21") that gets the holy hell ridden out of it at times, but mostly xc. I'm 6'3" 210lbs and don't really want to step up to a dh/am rim, too heavy for what I ride.
    What other combos in this pricerange should I be looking at? Thanks for any help.

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    Plenty of options in that price range, can't go wrong with the offerings from Stan's. Search around and compare weights/prices and check reviews, also check axle compatibility of front hubs.

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    Stans Crest or Arch with Revolution spokes and ZTR hubs. If I remember correctly they are $450 and are very light for the price too.

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    Stans Flow for your weight.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr Cabletwitch
    Stans Flow for your weight.
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    Flows with ZTR hubs are under $500 and are plenty durable and are easy to setup tubeless (if you are so inclined).

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    Orion Cycles is a great builder and cheap too. I'm not sure if he is still building but me and a friend both have a set and both are true. Very well build rims and a very low cost.

    I got white Stan's Flows around Hope Pro II Hubs with DT Comp spokes and alloy nipples, Rim tape, valve stems and sealant for $500 shipped.

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    FWIW .... I paid $500 shipped (new) for Mavic TN719 rims with DTSwiss 240 hubs. Aluminum nipples but black straight gauge spokes.


    Have not weighed them yet.

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    +1 on Orion. He is still building...just got my Flows this week. Prices are great but build times are long as he is very busy.

    I did Flows/Hopes/SuperComps/Alloy ProLocks, tape and valves for $540 shipped. Took about six weeks.

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    Flows +100
    I went budget on mine and had the shop build with x7 hubs for $400 but wish I'd spent more for the ztr hubs. Bombproof for me so far and I got at least 10 lbs on you.
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    Salsa Semi 29er 36h hand laced in a 4-cross pattern with DT competition spokes to whatever hub you care to spend the money on. I chose XT hubs, but will likely replace the rear hub in the future with either a Saint or a Hadley.

    I got mine hand built by Universal Cycles in Portland, OR, which is just downriver from me.
    http://www.universalcycles.com/wheelkit.php

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidcarson48
    +1 on Orion. He is still building...just got my Flows this week. Prices are great but build times are long as he is very busy.

    I did Flows/Hopes/SuperComps/Alloy ProLocks, tape and valves for $540 shipped. Took about six weeks.
    Yeah it took about 4 weeks a year ago. He takes a while but his build quality is 10/10 and it'll be hard to beat his prices.

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    Hope Pro 2 hubs
    DT Swiss Comp spokes
    DT Swiss nipples
    Stan's Flow rims

    Get this built up by a decent wheel builder, and you will have a tough wheelset for years.... I'm 225-230 lbs and have a set like this on my FS 29er and my HT SS 29er....

    Awesome set-up!!!

    Good luck!

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    Wow, thanks for all the responses! Sounds like flows/ztr or hope combo is what I need. Regardless, I've got some research to do.

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    i went from tn719/xt to hope/flows set up tubeless and difference was night and day hopes flows are out of commission right now and I got the Mavics fixed for cheap so am on those and am missing them greatly. tubeless set upo really worth it alone IMO.
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    Orion Cycles! Just ordered a set of Stan's Crest from them and they were at my door a week later. I wanted some custom options, black spokes and nipples and the lighter gage spokes, which came to $540 on NoTubes.com, Orion did them for $410!! Great Deal. Also, dropped 2 lbs from my bike.
    Something with wheels and brakes.

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    Azonic are now offering the Outlaw wheelset in 9er for $350. Great set for the money, I have a set on a 26er bike. They are a little heavier but not that bad really and can take serious abuse.

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    I just picked up set of Sun Ringle Charger Pro's for 450 shipped. They have good reviews, and they tag them as XC/AM wheels, around 1800 grams, and comes with options for qr/15/20mm ta forks. They have straight pull spokes - which is good in some cases but not as easy to get.

    I've heard good things about sr hubs too, these I think have 72 engagement points which is pretty good for this price range. If there as good as the dirty flea hubs then they'll be mint.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dickt3030
    Orion Cycles! Just ordered a set of Stan's Crest from them and they were at my door a week later. I wanted some custom options, black spokes and nipples and the lighter gage spokes, which came to $540 on NoTubes.com, Orion did them for $410!! Great Deal. Also, dropped 2 lbs from my bike.
    Which hubs did you get?
    Last edited by davidcarson48; 03-09-2011 at 07:05 AM.

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    Yeah I have a set of Flows/DT Swiss Comp Spokes/DT Swiss Brass Nips/Shimano M629 hubs coming from him soon (hoping they will be here tomorrow) for my 29er... So stoked to get them and finish my bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidcarson48
    Which hubs to you get?
    ZTR hubs. Nothing special but have heard good things.
    Something with wheels and brakes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dickt3030
    ZTR hubs. Nothing special but have heard good things.
    That's an awesome price. I didn't know Orion Cycles could build with ZTR hubs. Maybe I'll have to grab a set for the SS...

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    I have WTB hubs (20mm front hub) with Stans ZTR 29er hoops and DT Swiss 14/15 spokes. I have about 150 miles on them and they have been solid. Good buy for under $500 and weighs about 1800 grams for the wheel set.

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    Orion Cycles! Just ordered a set of Stan's Crest from them and they were at my door a week later. I wanted some custom options, black spokes and nipples and the lighter gage spokes, which came to $540 on NoTubes.com, Orion did them for $410!! Great Deal.
    Great to here such good things about Orion Cycles. Just ordered a set of Flows w/ Red Hope 2 hubs black spokes and red nipples. Paid $560 inc. shipping. A Fantastic deal I can't wait to get them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mailman953
    Great to here such good things about Orion Cycles. Just ordered a set of Flows w/ Red Hope 2 hubs black spokes and red nipples. Paid $560 inc. shipping. A Fantastic deal I can't wait to get them.
    at www.orioncycles.com? not much of a website. you have to contact them directly? where are they located?

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    He is on the site here and I am working with him on the site. He is located in central California.

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    Just got my tracking # this evening and mine should be here tomorrow! So stoked and will be headed to the lbs to have the assembly done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madsedan
    Flows +100
    I went budget on mine and had the shop build with x7 hubs for $400 but wish I'd spent more for the ztr hubs. Bombproof for me so far and I got at least 10 lbs on you.
    Why don't you like the X7 hubs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattgVT
    I just picked up set of Sun Ringle Charger Pro's for 450 shipped. They have good reviews, and they tag them as XC/AM wheels, around 1800 grams, and comes with options for qr/15/20mm ta forks. They have straight pull spokes - which is good in some cases but not as easy to get.

    I've heard good things about sr hubs too, these I think have 72 engagement points which is pretty good for this price range. If there as good as the dirty flea hubs then they'll be mint.
    Taking a really hard look at these myself and with everything you need to get up and running included it's a very hard deal to beat. They look really cool as well

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    i'm also considering the charger pro 29er. read the reviews on twentynineinches.com, which are encouraging ... nice wide rim.

    however i would like to know what the engagement points on the rear hub are. and comments on the ease of rear hub servicing, # of pawls. Guitar Ted, any reason why you didn't include that information in the reviews?
    Originally posted by bucksaw87
    I still fail to see how mustaches, fixies, and PBR are ironic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidcarson48
    Why don't you like the X7 hubs?
    A couple of reasons, most being the POE (points of engagement), but also the weight.
    I didn't know as much about the equipment as I do now but I would have looked for something with more POE so I don't have the "lag" when going from a coast to a pedal while banging the singletracks. I didn't notice it so much as I hadn't had anything nicer, first bike and all, but after riding a friends niner with a nice wheelset with Hope Pro II when I went back to mine it stuck out big time.
    The sie benefit is that the nicer hubs with more POE typically are lighter, have different options for being converted to 15 or 20 bolt through, etc. I can't do anything with the X7 hubs, they are what they are, a very reasonably priced sealed cartridge bearing quality hub for people on a budget.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mailman953
    Great to here such good things about Orion Cycles. Just ordered a set of Flows w/ Red Hope 2 hubs black spokes and red nipples. Paid $560 inc. shipping. A Fantastic deal I can't wait to get them.
    This is the combo I'm looking at now, with the white wheels, red hub, and black spokes/nipples. It seems like I can't go wrong, and damn do they look good!

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    never mind, found this info elsewhere on the Charger Pro:

    3 pawl alloy cassette body and 24 tooth ratchet ring, yielding 72 engagement points
    Originally posted by bucksaw87
    I still fail to see how mustaches, fixies, and PBR are ironic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frorider
    i'm also considering the charger pro 29er. read the reviews on twentynineinches.com, which are encouraging ... nice wide rim.

    however i would like to know what the engagement points on the rear hub are. and comments on the ease of rear hub servicing, # of pawls. Guitar Ted, any reason why you didn't include that information in the reviews?
    He did, in the "Out of the Box" post for these wheels.

    http://twentynineinches.com/2010/04/...ut-of-the-box/

    The hubs, as I mentioned, are red- really red! The rear features an 6061 alloy cassette body with three pawls, a 24 tooth ratchet ring which yeilds 72 engagement points, and a 7075 aluminum axle that runs on four “EZO” bearings. The rear hub is convertible to 135 X 12mm and 142 X 12mm through axle standard by purchasing an aftermarket axle end cap kit for $20.00 USD a pair. The front hub also features the 7075 aluminum alloy axle with two “EZO” bearings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frorider
    never mind, found this info elsewhere on the Charger Pro:

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    3 pawl alloy cassette body and 24 tooth ratchet ring, yielding 72 engagement points
    I hope thats not right, that would mean only one pawl engaging at a time.

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    The X7/X9 hubs are only like 18 POE hubs, for the same price (and actually some places even cheaper) you can find the M629 or new SLX 665 which are 32 POE hubs.. That is what I had put on mine. My bike should be done today so I will give some ride impressions on the hubs. Just spinning them freely they had a nice, quiet buzz to them and I could definitely hear the difference between them and the old LX hubs that are on my current bike (which I believe are 16 POE).

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    I can't get myself to do any Shimano hub. Too muddy and wet here to go without sealed ball bearings. I tried and they were a nightmare. Gritty and always in need of adjustments.

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    Huh... I want to say that the new SLX/M629 hubs are sealed but I could be wrong...Not really a worry here in the High Desert..

    EDIT: just checked their site and the SLX (m665) does say sealed mechanism..and "adjustable cup & cone bearing mechanism"

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    Quote Originally Posted by jager7
    I hope thats not right, that would mean only one pawl engaging at a time.
    I know, I had the very same thought. I'm wondering if the Sun Ringle claim had something lost in translation? Since the hubs appear to use standard asian freehub design, I would guess it's actually a 24 pt net engagement w/ 3 pawls in contact on each click.

    thanks Baecker for the link to the other 29inches article, which lists the mfger specs. I read the 'first look' and 'mid/long term review'...didn't know there was also an 'out of the box' post as well.

    has anyone held these and counted the clicks per revolution? One of GT's reviews made a qualitative statement along the lines of 'engagement seemed good enough'....

    I like the easy convertibility of the front and rear hubs. How's Sun Ringle for ordering small parts, like new pawls? I've avoided SR for years since their hubs had a bad reputation, and their rims tended not to work well with most tires, but now that they have Stan's rims and the hubs are supposedly better, i'm open to trying them....
    Originally posted by bucksaw87
    I still fail to see how mustaches, fixies, and PBR are ironic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattgVT
    I just picked up set of Sun Ringle Charger Pro's for 450 shipped. They have good reviews, and they tag them as XC/AM wheels, around 1800 grams, and comes with options for qr/15/20mm ta forks. They have straight pull spokes - which is good in some cases but not as easy to get.

    I've heard good things about sr hubs too, these I think have 72 engagement points which is pretty good for this price range. If there as good as the dirty flea hubs then they'll be mint.
    1800 grams -- did you measure the weight? w/o skewers I assume? 29inches reports a spec (implying that it's mfg'er spec): Wheel weight: Front 920gm Rear 1010gm. Also I've found 884g/1037g front/rear claimed mfger spec elsewhere.
    Originally posted by bucksaw87
    I still fail to see how mustaches, fixies, and PBR are ironic.

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    Not sure if anyone has mentioned him yet, but I'd get in touch with Mike at lacemine29.com. I emailed him inquiring about a 29er wheelset and he is more than happy to bounce emails back and forth until you get what you want/need. My finances don't allow me to order yet, but as soon as I can, I'm pulling the trigger.

    FYI I'm not in any way associated with the website. Just a happy soon-to-be customer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gregnash
    Huh... I want to say that the new SLX/M629 hubs are sealed but I could be wrong...Not really a worry here in the High Desert..

    EDIT: just checked their site and the SLX (m665) does say sealed mechanism..and "adjustable cup & cone bearing mechanism"
    Yes, the loose ball bearings have a seal around them. Far different from true sealed (cartridge) bearings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madsedan
    A couple of reasons, most being the POE (points of engagement), but also the weight.
    I didn't know as much about the equipment as I do now but I would have looked for something with more POE so I don't have the "lag" when going from a coast to a pedal while banging the singletracks. I didn't notice it so much as I hadn't had anything nicer, first bike and all, but after riding a friends niner with a nice wheelset with Hope Pro II when I went back to mine it stuck out big time.
    The sie benefit is that the nicer hubs with more POE typically are lighter, have different options for being converted to 15 or 20 bolt through, etc. I can't do anything with the X7 hubs, they are what they are, a very reasonably priced sealed cartridge bearing quality hub for people on a budget.
    Yeah, I figured as much. They are slightly-better-than OE hubs. I guess the ZTRs with 30 POE and low weight are probably a better choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidcarson48
    Yes, the loose ball bearings have a seal around them. Far different from true sealed (cartridge) bearings.
    Not really, as that just depends on the quality of either seal design. You can make a really well sealed loose ball hub and you can make a terribly sealed cartridge bearing. The seal on a typical cartridge bearing isn't good enough to handle everything on its own either, so good hubs add additional seals to the hub to protect the bearings.

    Shimano uses a pretty decent seal, just not a super amazing seal design. Between their seals and packing them with good grease Shimano hubs will hold up quite well for most people.

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    I just came to the forum myself looking for 29er build info. The wheelset I'm excited about is the Flow for $464 shipped which is well below your specified $500.

    http://www.bikewagon.com/Wheel-Goods...-p9504632.html

    I used a Stans tubeless setup on my cyclocross bike last fall and it was incredible so now I'm sold. Even as a clydesdale I never burped a tire (700C X34 at 36 psi!). Bikewagon helped me out extensively on that build so I'll gladly give them a shameless plug.

    I'm trying to decide between the Flow and Arch now since I'm a conflicted clydesdale that's a weight weenie at heart. At 214 lbs, the Arch is about as light as I'm willing to go.

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    I have had multiple sets of wheels from Orion, solid builder for sure-

    Hub wise the Hopes are very tough to beat for the money the rear can be converted from a std 9mm (aka ~5mm) skewer to a 10mm axle/Through bolt like a DT Swiss RWS etc. and the fronts can run a std skewer, a 9mm DT rws or the like, 15mm T/A and 20mm T/A with ease. The two sets I have had have been quite durable and fairly easy to work on as well, plus they come in nifty colors.

    The Stans are pretty versitile as well and are a bit lighter and less expensive than the Hopes, a very tempting option (but they are not sold seperately from what I am aware and only as wheelsets, I do not think Orion actually builds these like with the Hopes etc)

    For most riders the Crest is not a very wise choice as an everyday wheel- it is light but not nearly as durable as an Arch or Flow- let alone if your above the weight limit. If you don't plan on running anything bigger than a 2.1 the Arch's are not bad but the Flow adds strength and makes the most out of wider rubber-
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    Quote Originally Posted by frorider
    1800 grams -- did you measure the weight? w/o skewers I assume? 29inches reports a spec (implying that it's mfg'er spec): Wheel weight: Front 920gm Rear 1010gm. Also I've found 884g/1037g front/rear claimed mfger spec elsewhere.
    OK this weight question is getting ridiculous. Speedgoat quotes 1910 g as mfger's claimed weight. But Sun Ringle website lists 1799 g. Meanwhile, the 29inches.com review lists 1930 g and sort of implies that they are simply reporting the manufacturer's spec.

    I assume 29inches.com owns a scale, and can report a measured weight as well as noting whether that weight includes tape and valve (i assume yes) but not skewers.
    Originally posted by bucksaw87
    I still fail to see how mustaches, fixies, and PBR are ironic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn
    Not really, as that just depends on the quality of either seal design. You can make a really well sealed loose ball hub and you can make a terribly sealed cartridge bearing. The seal on a typical cartridge bearing isn't good enough to handle everything on its own either, so good hubs add additional seals to the hub to protect the bearings.

    Shimano uses a pretty decent seal, just not a super amazing seal design. Between their seals and packing them with good grease Shimano hubs will hold up quite well for most people.
    My experience has been different. To each his own, right??

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidcarson48
    My experience has been different. To each his own, right??
    Certainly. The following really isn't meant to point the finger at you, but Shimano hubs require adjusting right out of the box and more careful and proper technique in doing so than any other hubs so their performance and lifespan depends a lot more on the mechanic than other hubs

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    I'd go with a set of Flows directly through Stans. I've had 3 sets of wheels built by them and they have approximately a week turnaround. Definitely beats a 4-6 week wait period. That's insane!
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    Quote Originally Posted by erichwic
    I'd go with a set of Flows directly through Stans. I've had 3 sets of wheels built by them and they have approximately a week turnaround. Definitely beats a 4-6 week wait period. That's insane!
    You are also comparing a company (and a large one at that) that has the capacity and resources to build and ship your wheels in a week, whether they be handbuilt or machine built. Against a single person shop that has to purchase the parts, receive them, build them in their spare time (because most have full-time jobs plus a family) and then ship them out. So 4-6 weeks isnt that bad of a turn around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by erichwic
    I'd go with a set of Flows directly through Stans. I've had 3 sets of wheels built by them and they have approximately a week turnaround. Definitely beats a 4-6 week wait period. That's insane!
    There is nothing wrong with stans and if you need them in a rush I guess they are great but 4-6 weeks to get what you want for less it is not all that bad-
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    Quote Originally Posted by erichwic
    I'd go with a set of Flows directly through Stans. I've had 3 sets of wheels built by them and they have approximately a week turnaround. Definitely beats a 4-6 week wait period. That's insane!
    Just wanted to clarify something, It's not that I drag my feet with customers orders. I build and ship wheels everyday. At any given time, I have between 15 and 40 wheelset orders in. I do my best to get them out quickly, but this is a 1 man operation, and I'm not going to cut corners on a wheel build to get it out the door quicker. That, paired with the 50-100 emails I receive everyday, keeps me very, very busy. So busy that I haven't been on a bike since December. Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by orion_cycles
    Just wanted to clarify something, It's not that I drag my feet with customers orders. I build and ship wheels everyday. At any given time, I have between 15 and 40 wheelset orders in. I do my best to get them out quickly, but this is a 1 man operation, and I'm not going to cut corners on a wheel build to get it out the door quicker. That, paired with the 50-100 emails I receive everyday, keeps me very, very busy. So busy that I haven't been on a bike since December. Thanks
    Agreed! As consumer I would rather know that he took his time building the wheels right the first time instead of just throwing them together and sending them out. Especially since there is the very strong chance that if he did do that it could result in a serious injury for me. If you are in a rush, I am sure you can pay someone like Orion_Cycles or LaceMine29 an extra $200 for expedited building (i.e. push you to the front of the line) and/or shipping. Hell, I got notification that mine from Orion were going out Monday night, I got them on Tuesday afternoon (granted there is only like 200 miles between us). To me that is stellar service, he has always been responsive to my questions and has been great to work with since the beginning when we first started talking via email back in December.

    Really, as my wife tells her clients, your lack of planning is not my emergency. If you want wheels right away you either need to plan for it or be ready to pay the price (in either time or money). There are plenty of sites out there that offer pre-built wheels for decent prices and can get them shipped to you next day. I personally would rather wait for a quality set built by a small guy that I can support and will more than likely be happy to help out if something were to happen to his wheels. But that is just my opinion.

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    Well said. Orion did well by me (and that is why I ordered in the dead of winter). Don't want my wheels rushed.
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    And just for reference sake here are mine that I got from him yesterday. Tightly packed, nice, new box that was not dented, dinged or otherwise looked like it has been jacked around. Wheels were nicely packed with foam around the rims, spacers on the hubs and the box was the exact size needed for wheels (i.e. they did not shift or move when I picked the box up. Upon closer inspection the rims were clean, new, no scratches or dings. The spokes and nipples were clean, new, nothing denoting they had been previously used or forced into place and all spoke felt very tight. The hubs looked brand new, did not show any signs of wear, and instructions were included. Upon spinning the wheels the spun freely, cleanly and without any wobble or signs that they were not tru. Rear hub was actually quite nice as I am used to my 3spd cruiser and current mtn bike that has a very old LX hub (16 POE), when I spun it the thing just kept moving and took FOREVER to stop. The hub sounded new with a very fast and quiet buzzing sound from the ratcheting. I have to say I was very impressed with the build and should I ever decide to purchase another set or upgrade the set I have I plan to use AND DEFINITELY RECOMMEND Orion_Cycles.

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    I have 3 sets of wheels (2 XC, one DH) from Orion, on hadley and hope hubs. build quality has been simply outstanding -- and I say that as someone who has been getting hand-built wheels for about 20 years.

    it's typically taken 4 weeks to get the wheels. plan ahead...no big deal.
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    I contacted SUn/Ringle, and turns out I was correct in my post earlier in this thread: the charger pro has a 24 pt net engagement w/ 3 pawls in contact on each click. So should feel similar to a Hope hub in terms of engagement.

    I went ahead and bought a pair. For the price, which includes all adapters, valves, etc, the value appears very good.
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    I still fail to see how mustaches, fixies, and PBR are ironic.

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    Certainly. The following really isn't meant to point the finger at you, but Shimano hubs require adjusting right out of the box and more careful and proper technique in doing so than any other hubs so their performance and lifespan depends a lot more on the mechanic than other hubs
    I agree completely. And my cartridge bearings require me to do nothing at all except ride! Maybe every few years I'll have to pop in new ones at $4 each. Less wrenching and more riding is always something for which I am willing to pay a slight premium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frorider
    I contacted SUn/Ringle, and turns out I was correct in my post earlier in this thread: the charger pro has a 24 pt net engagement w/ 3 pawls in contact on each click. So should feel similar to a Hope hub in terms of engagement.

    I went ahead and bought a pair. For the price, which includes all adapters, valves, etc, the value appears very good.
    They seem to be a great build for the money. If they were 32 hole rims, I doubt they could even keep them in stock...

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    I bought a set of Easton XC ones for $400. I have seen them as cheap as $300. I still see them for 400 you just have to look around. Oh they are 2010 model. 1600g I think

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidcarson48
    They seem to be a great build for the money. If they were 32 hole rims, I doubt they could even keep them in stock...
    Years ago i bought a very slightly used pair of Eason 26er Havocs at a good price. Low spoke count, straight pull, high tension. Have turned out to be hands-down one of the best combinations of durability, straightness, and stiffness in wheelsets I've owned (the usual 32H CK/Hadley/Hopes with Mav 823s,819s, DT500s, etc.). Like the Havoc, this charger pro uses a strong & stiff rim design to enable a lower spoke count, straight pull. I wasn't at all surprised, therefore, to read Guitar Ted's conclusion that the charger pro felt stiffer than a Bontrager 28 spoke wheel. apples and oranges.

    My point is that over the years I've been changing my mind about the right spoke count. The real question is when will straight pull designs become mainstream enough that we can buy the hub and rim of choice? Right now I9, Mavic, Easton, Sun Ringle, etc are reserving this design to proprietary pre-builts, but there's no reason that needs to be the case long-term.

    $450, no tax, no shipping....tough to beat. Looking fwd to that nice wide rim with my ardent 2.4 / purgatory 2.4.
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    In fairness, the only 28H MTB rims I have owned have been Bonty Rhythms. They were fine...but flexy. A few trues here and there, but workable. Maybe I am painting with a wide brush, huh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by davidcarson48
    In fairness, the only 28H MTB rims I have owned have been Bonty Rhythms. They were fine...but flexy. A few trues here and there, but workable. Maybe I am painting with a wide brush, huh?
    Yeah, those rims are lighter and use a thinner extrusion than other rims of the same width. Mikesee didn't recommend even the 32h version of those rims for me (~195lbs) for aggressive xc riding on rocky trails

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    Mike did a wheelset based on flows for me which turned out great. I'm going to get another set from him for a different bike.

    Quote Originally Posted by noshow
    Not sure if anyone has mentioned him yet, but I'd get in touch with Mike at lacemine29.com. I emailed him inquiring about a 29er wheelset and he is more than happy to bounce emails back and forth until you get what you want/need. My finances don't allow me to order yet, but as soon as I can, I'm pulling the trigger.

    FYI I'm not in any way associated with the website. Just a happy soon-to-be customer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by orion_cycles
    Just wanted to clarify something, It's not that I drag my feet with customers orders. I build and ship wheels everyday. At any given time, I have between 15 and 40 wheelset orders in. I do my best to get them out quickly, but this is a 1 man operation, and I'm not going to cut corners on a wheel build to get it out the door quicker. That, paired with the 50-100 emails I receive everyday, keeps me very, very busy. So busy that I haven't been on a bike since December. Thanks
    I would like to buy wheels from you but I dont know how. The last email I sent you was 4 days ago and Im still waiting for a response.
    Hope to hear from you one of these days.

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    On-One have just launched a nice looking 29er wheelset, I've specced these on my Scandal that I'm picking up today! I think they come out at about $490 plus shipping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogthomson
    On-One have just launched a nice looking 29er wheelset, I've specced these on my Scandal that I'm picking up today! I think they come out at about $490 plus shipping.
    Thx for pointing that out. Nice hubs. Unfortunately on one has a habit of forgetting to list the inner rim width, but these appear to be super narrow XC only rims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by frorider
    Thx for pointing that out. Nice hubs. Unfortunately on one has a habit of forgetting to list the inner rim width, but these appear to be super narrow XC only rims.
    They are also heavier than crest and arches. Good looking wheelset though.
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    they make the azonic outlaw for the 29er too.
    http://www.jensonusa.com/store/produ...+Wheelset.aspx

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    I would like to buy wheels from you but I dont know how. The last email I sent you was 4 days ago and Im still waiting for a response.
    Hope to hear from you one of these days.
    I never waited more than 24 hours on a response...but he seems to be getting swamped with people ordering for the spring season. Be patient he's worth it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn
    Yeah, those rims are lighter and use a thinner extrusion than other rims of the same width. Mikesee didn't recommend even the 32h version of those rims for me (~195lbs) for aggressive xc riding on rocky trails
    That makes sense...I'm 205 ready to ride. Not to mention they are machine built, which I am sure makes them more prone to flex and needed truings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by frorider
    these appear to be super narrow XC only rims.
    I checked it out and apparently the inner rim width is 17.5mm, should be okay for trail use, no? Or are you after something a little more burly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JB1
    I would like to buy wheels from you but I dont know how. The last email I sent you was 4 days ago and Im still waiting for a response.
    Hope to hear from you one of these days.
    Have a little patience with him.. He is seriously backed up right now so takes a bit to get back to you, he will get back to you though and it is definitely worth the wait.

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    LOL.... thanks david... he is a walmart bonsai that has actually been around for about 4 years now... not very pretty and a bit decrepit but is a strong little thing and doesnt give up... He is just starting to get his leaves back after shedding them for the spring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogthomson
    I checked it out and apparently the inner rim width is 17.5mm, should be okay for trail use, no? Or are you after something a little more burly?
    If you wanna run 2.2+ tires at all, I would say they are to narrow to be effective. They might be strong, but they are really narrow for trail use.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dogthomson
    I checked it out and apparently the inner rim width is 17.5mm, should be okay for trail use, no? Or are you after something a little more burly?
    like many (not all) riders who ride rocky trails, i don't have much use for tires smaller than 2.2 or 2.3 inches in nominal width, and usually my front tire is a 2.4.

    So for me, 21 mm or more inner width is what I look for. But 19 mm is OK if i'm trying to save weight and don't mind the compromise.

    It's not clear to me why On One seems to focus on narrow rims. Here in the US, their rims seem a bit out of step with the market, but maybe things are different in the UK.

    Notice that I'm not saying these On One wheels are bad, or won't work well for many riders. Just saying that I'm among the many riders who won't be interested in 'em.

    Cool to see an inexpensive, lightweight hub with high number of engagement points.
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    Happy to find this thread, did a buy it now on ebay from orion the other day for crest/3.30 29r wheels and haven't heard anything. Ebay can be a crapshoot so glad to find people who are happy with his builds.

    No problem with a wait, I'd much rather have them right then fast. Orion when you come up for air give my cell a shout as I'd like to buy 2 more sets. I sent my cell phone number both ebay message and to your email.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jbchybridrider
    Spinergy xyclone disc from ebay, seem very strong
    I've got a few hundred miles on a set that I got off of eBay for $500 shipped. Light and strong with no problems so far. I'm 200lbs with gear and I ride hilly singletrack with lots of rocks, roots and some smallish jumps to huck off of.

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    Just got my wheels from Chad at http://www.redbarnbicycles.com/

    $570 shipped for white Stan's Arch 29ers on gold Hope Pro IIs in 15 mm QR and 142x12 with silver spokes and Ni plated brass nipples. They ride great on my Yeti Big Top.

    Chad is super regarding communication. In addition I was able to call him and discuss my need and application. This was important, because "other" wheel builders assumed that I needed to go with Flows for my weight (~200 lbs. full kit). I explained to Chad the type of riding I would do on them, the bike, the pros & cons and I settled on the Arches. Great decision. These wheels are fast and plenty stiff for the XC riding I intended to do on them. Without that little talk I'd be riding an overkill wheel.

    Bottom line: Get in touch with Chad at Red Barn...he will treat you right and build you a great wheel.
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    I just picked up a set of Easton Haven wheels from Competitive Cyclist for under 450 shipped to my door not sure you can beat that!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by clarkrw3
    I just picked up a set of Easton Haven wheels from Competitive Cyclist for under 450 shipped to my door not sure you can beat that!!
    I change my answer, that's a great deal!

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    Orioncycles better still be building wheels in December. I'm forcing myself against my will to cease upgrades till I graduate then, but I'm getting myself a set of Flows and Hopes for my graduation present!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ryguy135
    Orioncycles better still be building wheels in December. I'm forcing myself against my will to cease upgrades till I graduate then, but I'm getting myself a set of Flows and Hopes for my graduation present!
    I plan on getting wheels (Flows/Hopes) from Orion_Cycles towards the end of the year also. He's close enough for me to consider local. I hope he is still building then.

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    Do NOT order wheels from Orion Cycles if you ever hope to get them! He has had my $ for 2 months now and still no wheels or even a ship date. Has not returned my emails for over 3 weeks. I am not the only one -- 3 others on MTBR so far with the same problem.
    I understand that a one man shop can get pretty busy byt 2 months is too long and not returning emails for 3+ weeks is NOT OK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by giantanthemx0
    Do NOT order wheels from Orion Cycles if you ever hope to get them! He has had my $ for 2 months now and still no wheels or even a ship date. Has not returned my emails for over 3 weeks. I am not the only one -- 3 others on MTBR so far with the same problem.
    I understand that a one man shop can get pretty busy byt 2 months is too long and not returning emails for 3+ weeks is NOT OK.
    I agree. Orion does take a long time... actually twice as long as expected for mine. But, the wheels are sweet and the price beat everyone else. So... is saving a bit of cash worth the wait? Personally, I couldn't have afforded my wheels from anyone else.

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    Quote Originally Posted by giantanthemx0
    Do NOT order wheels from Orion Cycles if you ever hope to get them! He has had my $ for 2 months now and still no wheels or even a ship date. Has not returned my emails for over 3 weeks. I am not the only one -- 3 others on MTBR so far with the same problem.
    I understand that a one man shop can get pretty busy byt 2 months is too long and not returning emails for 3+ weeks is NOT OK.
    When Orion took several weeks just to get me a quote and a few weeks more to answer another question, I knew he was someone I wouldnt do buisness with. If he is overloaded with work, the right thing to do would be to stop taking orders until he catches up instead of taking your money up front and taking months to build a wheelset. I went with Red Barn and my wheels were built in 2 DAYS!! Orion might be $20 cheaper but where is that $20 now!!

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    I'm assuming that most of the folks with pending Orion orders have also gotten this email, but I thought I would post it up here. I had contacted him for a quote a couple weeks ago.

    "Thank You for emailing Orion Cycles

    Do to a recent change in my employment (Orion Cycles is not my full time job), a death in my family, and a massive backlog of existing orders, I am unable to accept any new orders at this time.

    All existing/open orders will be shipped or refunded in full by Friday.

    I apologize for the generic email but as of 5/4 I have over 900 unanswered emails, and it would take days to reply to them all individually.

    If you have further questions please reply with a phone number and I will try to contact you.

    Thank You."

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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysheff
    I'm assuming that most of the folks with pending Orion orders have also gotten this email, but I thought I would post it up here. I had contacted him for a quote a couple weeks ago.

    "Thank You for emailing Orion Cycles

    Do to a recent change in my employment (Orion Cycles is not my full time job), a death in my family, and a massive backlog of existing orders, I am unable to accept any new orders at this time.

    All existing/open orders will be shipped or refunded in full by Friday.

    I apologize for the generic email but as of 5/4 I have over 900 unanswered emails, and it would take days to reply to them all individually.

    If you have further questions please reply with a phone number and I will try to contact you.

    Thank You."
    I'll schill for Red Barn again (see my post below). Just rode 18 Rd in Fruita with my Arches on Pro IIs. Absolutely loved them there, too. Chad builds a great wheel and will take the time to talk to you and help, and get you exactly what you want for a great price.

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    The thread title is "Best $500 29er wheelset?" and for $499 (less 15% off with coupon code) the 2010 Easton Haven UST 29er's seem hard to beat at 1,780g...






    2010 Haven Wheelset $499
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clones123
    The thread title is "Best $500 29er wheelset?" and for $499 (less 15% off with coupon code) the 2010 Easton Haven UST 29er's seem hard to beat at 1,780g...






    2010 Haven Wheelset $499
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    Were you able to set these up tubeless without a rim strip? Also what pressure are you running?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD33
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    Quote Originally Posted by Clones123
    The thread title is "Best $500 29er wheelset?" and for $499 (less 15% off with coupon code) the 2010 Easton Haven UST 29er's seem hard to beat at 1,780g...

    2010 Haven Wheelset $499
    2010 Haven Wheelset $499
    That was an awesome deal but they are gone now

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn
    That was an awesome deal but they are gone now
    Glad I got mine when I did....and yes they set up tubeless with stans and a AKA and Ardent without a problem no tape or liner needed. They also came with a 15mm adapter too


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    Quote Originally Posted by jonnysheff
    I'm assuming that most of the folks with pending Orion orders have also gotten this email, but I thought I would post it up here. I had contacted him for a quote a couple weeks ago.

    "Thank You for emailing Orion Cycles

    Do to a recent change in my employment (Orion Cycles is not my full time job), a death in my family, and a massive backlog of existing orders, I am unable to accept any new orders at this time.

    All existing/open orders will be shipped or refunded in full by Friday.

    I apologize for the generic email but as of 5/4 I have over 900 unanswered emails, and it would take days to reply to them all individually.

    If you have further questions please reply with a phone number and I will try to contact you.

    Thank You."

    Glad to hear that he is making good on his earlier promises. Hopefully he will have a large majority of the wheels done or close to done and can get a good percentage out, with the money going back to the rest. Still a great guy and honest person in my book, communication could use some work but he is a one man shop so it is understood. I also understand how life can get in the way, **** I just spent two weeks in the hospital with my wife. She is better now, but today was the first ride in 3 weeks since she has been sick and damn was it needed but will be a bit of recovery tomorrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 1-bar
    Were you able to set these up tubeless without a rim strip? Also what pressure are you running?
    UST rims so no rim strip required (the only hole in the rim is the one for the UST Presta valve). I'm running my Race Kings at around 28 lbs. I could go lower but I've been slow to wrap my head around riding with radial tire-like bulges on the ground.

    I'm impressed by the difference in tire casing flexibility tube vs tubeless. It's not intuitive to me that a tire-tube combination forms a structure which is much more rigid than a tire inflated to the same pressure alone. That seems to be the case though.
    I'm gonna miss me when I'm gone.
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