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    Anyone seen a Civilian Luddite 29er?

    Civilian appears to have been acquired by, and become the house brand of, Competitive Cyclist/Backcountry.com. Civilian has some interesting bikes on their site (and on CC), but I'm really intrigued by the Luddite. <http://www.ridecvln.com/bikes/luddite/>

    The Luddite is a steel frame SS that can also be run with gears. Because it has an oversized headtube (and takes a tapered fork), the closest bike on the market is the Salsa El Mar.

    Weight is not listed for the Luddite, and I haven't seen any reviews or other information about them. I'm not even sure this bike is available to ship yet. Hoping somebody has seen one or ridden one or has some more info.

    Thanks in advance.

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    I too am interested in more about this brand, I haven't been able to find much...

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    Linky here:

    2012 Civilian Luddite - Competitive Cyclist

    Looks nice, comes stock with a carbon fork. But the msrp is steep for what you get though. I can only figure that they do an immediate "sale price"

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    It does seem steep for a SS with mechanical brakes.
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    I think CC has the chance to deliver some real value in the Civilian bikes, as Civilian is now essentially a direct-to-consumer bike line manufactured and sold by a large, knowledgeable player in the online bike market (Backcountry.com/Competitive Cyclist), much like Salsa Bikes are owned and sold by QBP.

    I'd love to build a Ti Selma, but am still struggling to justify the expense. In addition to the cost of the frame itself, I know the costs would spiral with the "might-as-well's" of the build. Instead, I am looking at buying a complete Salsa El Mar 2, building up an El Mar frame with mid-priced parts, or buying a Civilian Luddite and adding a nice Reba fork with 15mmTA, tapered steerer, and remote lock out.

    The Salsa bikes are a known commodity, but the Luddite looks great, and I know the guys at CC wouldn't make the misstep of offering a clunky bike for the launch of their house brand. But sadly, Civilian has not responded to an email I sent over the weekend, requesting more information about the bike and its weight.

    If anyone has ridden the Civilian hard-tail (the Luddite or Young Turk), please let me know what you think about this bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gofannon View Post
    Yes, I saw the site. It's nice but I couldn't find the weight. Did you find it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Tiki View Post
    Yes, I saw the site. It's nice but I couldn't find the weight. Did you find it?
    Their configurator page lists it around the 20# range.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gofannon View Post
    Their configurator page lists it around the 20# range.

    http://www.competitivecyclist.com/Luddite
    Thanks. Looks like the XL would be 20.6lbs. Not bad for a steel bike, especially in the $1000 range. I talked to CC and they said the carbon fork is approx 500g, so adding a suspension fork would only add two lbs to the complete bike. For those who may be interested, the WTB wheels weigh approx 1900g, which isn't much heavier than my Stans Flows, and certainly far lighter than the stock wheels that came on my Monocog Flight.

    The Luddite is looking like a bargain for a mid-level bike steel bike, assuming it rides well.

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    Thanks to Gofannon, I found that once you select the frame color and size on the CC website, it takes you to a page listing all of the individual parts on the bike and their respective weights. Looking at this page, it would be easy to shave a pound off this bike to offset the addition of a suspension fork.

    I may be alone in this preference, but I'd rather have good mechanical disc brakes (such as the BB7's) over entry level avid hydros any day of the week. Doubly so on an SS XC bike.

    And considering the parts and weight of this bike, I don't think the msrp is steep. Assuming the ride is as good, it compares quite favorably to the Kona Unit and the Monocog Flight, which are both heavier bikes.

    Finally, if anyone has a suggestion for a reasonably priced and spec'ed lightweight SS which doesn't use an EBB, please let me know. Thanks.

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    I think the weight is only for the kit-everything but the frame so you are looking at another 5 lbs. or so but still no biggy.
    A 20# complete just doesn't sound right
    I could be wrong though. It is nice the Turk one comes with a Reba and the option to SS still. But purchasing a closeout Monocog or similar and a Reba and you are in the same range of quality and value for less money, sans sliding dropouts

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmmorath View Post
    I think the weight is only for the kit-everything but the frame so you are looking at another 5 lbs. or so but still no biggy.
    A 20# complete just doesn't sound right
    I could be wrong though. It is nice the Turk one comes with a Reba and the option to SS still. But purchasing a closeout Monocog or similar and a Reba and you are in the same range of quality and value for less money, sans sliding dropouts
    I think it's for the complete bike because other bikes show pretty standard weights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Tiki View Post
    Thanks. Looks like the XL would be 20.6lbs. Not bad for a steel bike, especially in the $1000 range. I talked to CC and they said the carbon fork is approx 500g, so adding a suspension fork would only add two lbs to the complete bike. For those who may be interested, the WTB wheels weigh approx 1900g, which isn't much heavier than my Stans Flows, and certainly far lighter than the stock wheels that came on my Monocog Flight.

    The Luddite is looking like a bargain for a mid-level bike steel bike, assuming it rides well.
    There is no chance that bike complete weighs 20lbs. You've got to add the weight of the frame to the weight of the kit. I'd bet that frame is every bit of 5.7-6lbs.

    Hell, there's a half pound of seatpost that's mis-listed, too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneBadWagon View Post
    There is no chance that bike complete weighs 20lbs. You've got to add the weight of the frame to the weight of the kit. I'd bet that frame is every bit of 5.7-6lbs.
    Agreed. I suspect the bike weighs at least 25lbs.

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    It does have a carbon rigid fork, I would think around 23-24 pounds
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    Quote Originally Posted by appleSSeed View Post
    It does have a carbon rigid fork, I would think around 23-24 pounds
    With those parts? No chance. It says the build kit is 20.6 lbs, so add youre at 26ish. That is not a light kit at all.

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    I think the steel fork on my Monocog Flight weighed about 2 or 3 lbs, which was lighter than I expected at the time I removed it. The carbon fork on the Luddite has a claimed weight 500g (about 1.1lbs), which only eliminates a pound or two off a steel fork. The balance of the components on the Luddite appear to be no lighter than the spec'ed parts on the Monocog Flight, the Kona Unit, or the Salsa El Mar, and in many instances, the Luddite parts are heavier. And while some steel frames are lighter than others, a double butted steel frame in any given size has some minimum weight, and in an XL mass-produced frame, it's probably 5lbs.

    Given there is no magic steel frame, and no flyweight parts listed in the kit, I suspect the Civilian Luddite (and geared Young Turk) weighs within a pound or two of the Unit, Monocog Flight, and Salsa El Mar.

    If the Luddite had a the Reba RL fork at the $1,100 price, it would be a bargain (and unique in the market as a steel SS complete bike with a good suspension fork). But as it stands, it is simply another rigid SS bike with a build kit and weight comparable to the other bikes listed above. I suppose the carbon fork distinguishes it, but I'm too old for a fully rigid bike.

    While the Luddite may be a great bike and an equal value to its competition, I'd rather buy the known El Mar or MC Flight for the same price until the jury is in on the Luddite.

    All that said, if the XL Luddite is, in fact, only 20lbs, I'll buy one and try it.

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    Well, it looks like I may be buying a Luddite.

    Assuming the claimed weight of the kit is correct on Competitive Cyclist, and adding 289g for a 410mm Thomson seatpost (and subtracting the 23g seat post error on the CC site), the total kit has a claimed weight of 7,554g or 16.65 lbs. Add a 5 pound steel frame, and you're still under 22lbs.

    If anybody finds an error in my math or a missing part that should be added to the kit weight, let me know.

    Obviously, a bike on the scale gives its true weight, but the Luddite may be back in the running for me.

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    Here's a better link to the parts list.
    Luddite - Civilian - Civilian

    Here's a link to the listed 85g bottom bracket.
    It's an ounce heavier on their own site.
    2012 SRAM GXP Team Bottom Bracket - Competitive Cyclist

    According to a different site, the cranks are 2 ounces heavier than listed.
    Truvativ CSBB 07 Firex 1.1G 33T 175 Blk Truvativ Cranksets Mountain

    Nevegal listed weight 720g
    According to their own site, 820g.
    2012 Kenda Nevegal DTC 29 Tire - Competitive Cyclist

    This is speculation, but it's listed as a WTB XC wheelset. WTB Speed Disc rims are 550g each, so with hubs/spokes/nipples you're looking at :
    1100g rims
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    70g nipples
    444g 64 dt swiss 2.0g nipples

    I don't see how that wheelset is less than 2300g.

    Buy it, they apparently have a good return policy. I'd love to see a cheap 22-23lb SS bike on the market.

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    I just went to the Salsa website to look at the El Mar for comparison. Kudos to Salsa for listing the weights of their complete bikes in each frame size! Wish all manufacturers would list weights.

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    I'm just curious why the hell a bike called the Luddite comes with a carbon fork and tapered compatibility...
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    Quote Originally Posted by meltingfeather View Post
    I'm just curious why the hell a bike called the Luddite comes with a carbon fork and tapered compatibility...
    Funny. My guess is that the name is a nod to the frame material, lack of gears, and lack of suspension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gofannon View Post
    I think it's for the complete bike because other bikes show pretty standard weights.
    If you add up all of the component weights on the young turk model, total component weight comes to 20.00 lb. The "kit totals" weight read 23.99 lb. So, i assume the difference is the steel frame (3.99 lb).

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    Quote Originally Posted by rnseltz View Post
    If you add up all of the component weights on the young turk model, total component weight comes to 20.00 lb. The "kit totals" weight read 23.99 lb. So, i assume the difference is the steel frame (3.99 lb).
    < 4 lbs. steel frame?
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    I guarantee this bike is at least 25 lbs or so...you guys thinking the bike is only 20 lbs are out of your mind.

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    Has anyone taken deliver for this 20lb wonderbike that defies math yet?

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    Let's just say for instance not all of us here care to bolt a digital scale to our garage rafters. Has anyone taken delivery on a Luddite or a Young Turk? I am interested in how well it handles / rides / sprints / climbs / takes downhill, etc, with as-spec'ed components (of which we can all find separate reviews for here on MTBR). More specifically the Young Turk, but I'll gladly take feedback on the Luddite.

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    there have been a few other posts about this (one started by me) if you do a little digging u might find some needed info hope i could help

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    Hey folks! I've been riding the Luddite for a few weeks now, I'm reviewing it for Singletracks. There will be an On-Test article go up on the site soon, then the final review a few weeks later. The On-Test article has been written and sitting waiting it's turn to get posted for a few weeks, but a bunch of other articles were in line in front of it. It's coming soon though.

    I'll give you a few teasers. It is NOT a 20lbs bike. Mine, size large, weighed 26.6lbs pimp stock out of the box, without pedals. That's using a Feedback Sports digital hanging scale - it is accurate. The carbon fork is pretty sweet. It's a fun bike. You'll have to wait for the rest, sorry. I'll post the links whenever the articles go up.




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    Waiting on that final review....
    HucknRoll has these on sale for $785 shipped. I might just bite the bullet and pick one up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Possum Jones View Post
    Waiting on that final review....
    HucknRoll has these on sale for $785 shipped. I might just bite the bullet and pick one up.
    Anybody else try one out? I also saw this and it seems like a good deal. Thoughts?

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    Can I assume that the Luddite is suspension corrected for a 100mm fork?? I like this bike!
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    Quote Originally Posted by djm271@bellsouth.net View Post
    Can I assume that the Luddite is suspension corrected for a 100mm fork?? I like this bike!
    Yep it is. Now, where's that review while there on sale?

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    I did it. I bought it today. I was planning on building up a sir 9, but this is a cheap way to get into SS for now. First order of business is a stock set of ztr arches, a light(er) set of tires, and tubless. That should drop a pound or two easy. I'll post up when I get it put together.
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    Does the Huck & Roll sale price include shipping? I was/am planning on building an El Mar or a Selma, but at this price (plus the cost of a cheap rockshox fork), the Luddite may be worth the gamble.

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    Free shipping and no tax unless you live in Utah or Arkansas.
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    On sale and comes with a free jersey too.

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    I think I might get one. The wife gave me permission to get a bike off of Craigslist/eBay for neighborhood use. I would have to use the secret credit card and get it dirty quick to convince her it is used.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakman View Post
    I think I might get one. The wife gave me permission to get a bike off of Craigslist/eBay for neighborhood use. I would have to use the secret credit card and get it dirty quick to convince her it is used.
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    I got the geared version - Young Turk a couple weeks ago and am still adjusting to the big wheels. I think it's a lot of bike for the money, other thoughts:

    * Heavy, no exact # yet, doesn't really affect my riding
    * nicely spec'd parts & it fits me well
    * Biggest disappointment is the fork, advertised as 15mm maxle but really a QR - called and *****ed a bit & was credited $100
    * Coming off an older FSR, thrilled to be on a new ride but I can't shake the absent thru axle. Reba is great, do not notice flex on the trail but laterally flexes by hand a bit.
    *I have 5 more weeks to send back if I choose, but most likely will keep it. I do see they have El Mar.s 3's in stock and the future availability of replacement dropouts makes me wonder about Civilian brand

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    For the guys with one of these or the Young Turk, does the rear brake caliper slide with the rear wheel? It looks that way. I have track ends on a bike now and this looks better.

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    Yes, the caliper mounts to the sliding dropout. I need to find out the availability of dropouts in case I tweak a derailleur hanger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pachaugbrad View Post
    Yes, the caliper mounts to the sliding dropout. I need to find out the availability of dropouts in case I tweak a derailleur hanger.
    Thanks. Are these sliders specific to each builder? If the company is owned by Backcountry, than they'd be good on warrantees, no?

    Also, has a anybody seen the range of chainstay lengths? They list 17.5, but with sliders it will change. The Salsa El Mar gets a little on the long side when sliding out (18+).
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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Thanks. Are these sliders specific to each builder? If the company is owned by Backcountry, than they'd be good on warrantees, no?

    Also, has a anybody seen the range of chainstay lengths? They list 17.5, but with sliders it will change. The Salsa El Mar gets a little on the long side when sliding out (18+).
    On competitive cyclist they list the chain stay length as 17.3-18.1 inches. So I would venture to say the chain stays are 18.1 inches when the sliding dropouts are fully slid out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakman View Post
    On competitive cyclist they list the chain stay length as 17.3-18.1 inches. So I would venture to say the chain stays are 18.1 inches when the sliding dropouts are fully slid out.
    I like the sound of the short end. Not short, not super long. Hopefully we get more intel soon.

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    So want to pull the string and possibly set up as 1x9 with the old 26er sitting in the garage.

    Like the geo short head tube sloping top tube short seat post and long ETT. Now need to decide between sizes I normally like right around a 23" ETT.

    Do you single speeder find that ETT should be equal to what you have on your Full suspension bikes?
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    Quote Originally Posted by HEMIjer View Post
    So want to pull the string and possibly set up as 1x9 with the old 26er sitting in the garage.

    Like the geo short head tube sloping top tube short seat post and long ETT. Now need to decide between sizes I normally like right around a 23" ETT.

    Do you single speeder find that ETT should be equal to what you have on your Full suspension bikes?
    I just ordered a large last night. If you are anywhere near northern va you are welcome to check it out when I get it set up.

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    Must resist urge ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Must resist urge ...
    My final review will go live tomorrow, if anyone is interested. Here's the On-Test post:

    On Test: Civilian Luddite Singlespeed 29er Mountain Bike | Mountain Bike Blog || SINGLETRACKS.COM

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakman View Post
    I just ordered a large last night. If you are anywhere near northern va you are welcome to check it out when I get it set up.
    Actually close to NOVA fredericksburg area, i think I will jsut go medium, tired of beating my Anthem to death this will keep down on maintainence.
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    will you comment on your fit dgaddis? i see you got a large, how tall are you and howd the geo work out?
    top tube looks longer than im used to

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    Quote Originally Posted by clewttu View Post
    will you comment on your fit dgaddis? i see you got a large, how tall are you and howd the geo work out?
    top tube looks longer than im used to
    I'm 5'10" and usually right between mediums and larges. The large Luddite has about the same ETT as my medium Jabberwocky, so that's why I went with the large.

    It's tall. I can stand over the bike, but there's no clearance. I'm lightly tea bagging the top tube basically.

    The bars are higher than I like too...but, I'm a slammed stem kinda guy. With the Luddite's stem all the way down, and flipped to the drop position, I still wish the bars were an inch or so lower. Swapping to a flat bar,and looking for a different headset cap (the stock one is taaaalll) would solve that. It's kind of a trail bike type riding position, a lot more upright than the typical head down a$$ up XC racing position many SS's have, like my Jabber. That's a good thing for some folks, not so much for other folks, just depends on your riding style and how you like to sit.

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    thanks
    im 5'11" but am leaning toward the medium whos top tube is very similar to my current large

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    Yeah, TT length is the number to look at.

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    I'm 5' 10" and will go with a 17" if the reviews come in ok.

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    I am 5'7 leaning toward the medium (which Huck n Roll lists as 17") and has a 15" seat tube. I ride a bike now with similar Top Tube so think it would be bette thean the shorter 22" on the small.
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    Nice review! If I were looking for a fully rigid bike, the Luddite definitely looks like a great bike for the money, especially at the $785 Huck & Roll sale price. But by the time I added a suspension fork to a 27lb bike (presumed weight of an XL size), it would be north of 30lbs. Given my body weight, a 30lb bike is nothing, but still . . .

    Thanks again for the solid review. It looks like the Luddite will give the Kona Unit and the Redline Monocog Flight a run for their money. If anyone adds a susp fork to his Luddite, please post photos and a review.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Tiki View Post
    Nice review! If I were looking for a fully rigid bike, the Luddite definitely looks like a great bike for the money, especially at the $785 Huck & Roll sale price. But by the time I added a suspension fork to a 27lb bike (presumed weight of an XL size), it would be north of 30lbs. Given my body weight, a 30lb bike is nothing, but still . . .

    Thanks again for the solid review. It looks like the Luddite will give the Kona Unit and the Redline Monocog Flight a run for their money. If anyone adds a susp fork to his Luddite, please post photos and a review.
    I believe the Civilian Young Turk is the same frame as the Luddite but comes with gears and a suspension fork. I think I saw a weight of 28 lbs floating around somewhere. You can probably drop close to a pound just by getting rid of the Neverolls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakman View Post
    I believe the Civilian Young Turk is the same frame as the Luddite but comes with gears and a suspension fork. I think I saw a weight of 28 lbs floating around somewhere. You can probably drop close to a pound just by getting rid of the Neverolls.
    The Young Turk has to be 30+lbs. The Luddite is over 27lbs with pedals. Adding a suspension fork will add at least two pounds, and a 1x drivetrain will add at least 1 more pound.

    That said, if you want suspension, the Young Turk is probably the way to go, probably less expensive than buying the Luddite and a fork. Then either move the shifty bits over to another bike, or sell 'em to get a little $$ back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakman View Post
    I believe the Civilian Young Turk is the same frame as the Luddite but comes with gears and a suspension fork. I think I saw a weight of 28 lbs floating around somewhere. You can probably drop close to a pound just by getting rid of the Neverolls.

    I'm betting on close to a three pound weight loss from a stock set of arch ex's, RaRa's, and going tubless. Swap the seatpost and bars with some lighter spec'd parts and you're rolling at 23 or under for reasonable money.
    Hopefully this will hold me over until I can build up a real blinglespeed.
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    Thanks for the review! I like the idea that the bike's geo is a hair more "trail bike" than typical XC - it gives me a lame reason to buy one.

    Could it run a 120mm fork? Justing thinking out loud. Did anyone else get their's? What about the guy that was going to pass it off as a yard sale bike, did that work?

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    Mine is scheduled for delivery this coming Monday. I might not make it in the trail for a proper review until next weekend though.
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    id think a 120 fork would be ok
    but youd want to check with civilian as far as how that might affect warranty, if thats a concern

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    Quote Originally Posted by clewttu View Post
    id think a 120 fork would be ok
    but youd want to check with civilian as far as how that might affect warranty, if thats a concern
    Thanks - I'd ride rigid, but I like options.

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    Got this response about the Y'Turk being removed from HnR:

    Mike N.: So we received those bikes, and there were a couple of frmes that didn't meet the finish standard that we wanted.
    Mike N.: We're holding off shipping those bikes until we can check all of them and determing that they are up to our quality standard.

    I'd still try the Luddite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dgaddis1 View Post
    The Young Turk has to be 30+lbs. The Luddite is over 27lbs with pedals. Adding a suspension fork will add at least two pounds, and a 1x drivetrain will add at least 1 more pound.

    That said, if you want suspension, the Young Turk is probably the way to go, probably less expensive than buying the Luddite and a fork. Then either move the shifty bits over to another bike, or sell 'em to get a little $$ back.
    Yes, but the Young Turk comes with Elixer 3's instead of BB7's - a step in the wrong direction for me. And the YT is likely 30lbs. For the cost of replacing the wheels, tires and tubes (and any cockpit parts), you could probably buy Salsa El Mar 2, which, in size large, weighs 27 lbs, geared and that's with tubes and heavy tires. In other words, I think you could get into a more proven, lighter bike with better resale value for less money than retro-fitting a Luddite or Young Turk.

    And on the crazy-expensive-build end of the spectrum, have you seen the new Niner SIR9 ? Wow! Large frame naked weighs 4.5lbs, and painted with rear maxle and seat clamp installed weighs 5.25lbs. That said, I am sure I'd wind up spending $3k or more building a SS SIR9.

    But for a more sensibly priced complete bike, both the Young Turk and Luddite look great. I can't wait to see more photos and ride reports as they start arriving.

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    That new sir is awesome.
    Hopefully one day I'll be able to build a sir up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Possum Jones View Post
    That new sir is awesome.
    Hopefully one day I'll be able to build a sir up.
    I'm in the same boat. I have a monocog flight that is slightly too small for me and the suspension fork is nothing to brag about. But if the frame fit me, I wouldn't even be looking at Luddites, SIR9's, Selmas, and El Mariachias. Point is, I bet the Luddite puts a grin on your face - any bike you're riding is better than a bike you don't have.

    Post lots of photos when you get your Luddite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Thanks for the review! I like the idea that the bike's geo is a hair more "trail bike" than typical XC - it gives me a lame reason to buy one.

    Could it run a 120mm fork? Justing thinking out loud. Did anyone else get their's? What about the guy that was going to pass it off as a yard sale bike, did that work?
    I haven't received mine yet. I have a package from huck n roll scheduled for delivery on Monday and one for Tuesday. I am sure Monday is the free jersey and tuesday is the bike.

    My wife is way too smart to believe that it is a used bike so I told her about it. It turns out she and I have different opinions of what "reasonably priced" is. I told her it was under $800 and she almost flipped. She said it had better have been under $100. That was the end of it but I am sure I will hear more about it on Tuesday. There are only so many places you can hide a bike in a 3 bedroom house.

    I am not going to argue with the only guy who has actually ridden one but huck n roll and amazon list the Luddite's weight as 25 lbs for a large and the Young Turk as 28 I am sure the Luddite is 26.6 lbs but I am crossing my fingers that when mine comes it is only 25 lbs. Doesn't matter to me either way, I would have bought one anyway.

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    An extra 2 lbs of bike weight is less than 1% of my body weight. I suspect there may be some elite athletes and other disciplined riders on this forum with body fat content of less than 6%, but most of us can shed 2 lbs of fat (or in my case 10lbs). While I get overly concerned with bike and part weights like many on this forum, the reality is I should buy the bike that fits my needs, budget, and peculiar aesthetic sense, then lose the weight by riding that bike. But what would happen to the mtbr forums if we all did that?

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    I ordered my Luddite last Tuesday and just got it yesterday. Put it together and converted it to ghetto tubeless last night. Going for my first ride tomorrow morning. I'll try to remember to take pics.

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    I haven't weighed it yet but it seems heavier than my aluminum, geared 26er (which I sold to buy the Luddite). I'm not super concerned about weight though. I carry a camelback full of water and spare parts and tools on every ride.

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    For those that are getting it from Huck N Roll, I'd also be curious to see if their build service lives up to their copy writers hype. What colors are people going for?

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    I don't know how they handle their distribution after the mergers/acquisitions, but I suspect the Civilian brand is handled by the CC guys, regardless of which of the company's websites one orders from. Given that, I am sure the build and packaging will be top-flight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    For those that are getting it from Huck N Roll, I'd also be curious to see if their build service lives up to their copy writers hype. What colors are people going for?
    not sure what reservations you might have, but their customer service is top flight, and looks like their builds are too, this is a pick of the packaged bike from the on test review dgaddis already posted



    im also in the not concerned about the weight category, it seems to come in 1 or 2 pounds at least below comparable bikes (monocog flight, kona unit) from what ive seen posted by others here on mtbr

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    5'10" rider here...i went with a large based on a TT measurement similar to my large el mariachi, which fits me well. i pulled the trigger last weekend (went with mojito) and am eagerly awaiting the bike's arrival. one package is due here monday, but the other hasn't shipped yet so i'm not sure what's up; hopefully they threw everything in one box.

    right now the plan is to swap the 2.3 nevegals to my el mariachi, and move 2.2 x-kings to the luddite, both set up tubeless. figure that should drop a bit of weight from the luddite, and i've been wanting to go a bit larger on the el mar for a while.

    i'll chime in with something after i get it rolling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clewttu View Post
    not sure what reservations you might have, but their customer service is top flight, and looks like their builds are too, this is a pick of the packaged bike from the on test review dgaddis already posted



    im also in the not concerned about the weight category, it seems to come in 1 or 2 pounds at least below comparable bikes (monocog flight, kona unit) from what ive seen posted by others here on mtbr
    I'm not concerned - just curious as to what the build was like. All my experience with HnR and all Backcounty companies has been top flight.

    On the weight front, just tires and light tubes or a tubeless conversion would do wonders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocktownrook View Post
    5'10" rider here...i went with a large based on a TT measurement similar to my large el mariachi, which fits me well. i pulled the trigger last weekend (went with mojito) and am eagerly awaiting the bike's arrival. one package is due here monday, but the other hasn't shipped yet so i'm not sure what's up; hopefully they threw everything in one box.

    right now the plan is to swap the 2.3 nevegals to my el mariachi, and move 2.2 x-kings to the luddite, both set up tubeless. figure that should drop a bit of weight from the luddite, and i've been wanting to go a bit larger on the el mar for a while.

    i'll chime in with something after i get it rolling.
    Cool! Make sure to post some photos. I like that color a lot, but I think I'll go with Orange.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocktownrook View Post
    5'10" rider here...i went with a large based on a TT measurement similar to my large el mariachi, which fits me well.
    It'll be interesting to see if you have any standover clearance. I'm the same height, and don't have any clearance.

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    wish the mojito came with the matte fork that the orange comes with...not a fan of glossy or orange

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    Just got back from my ride this morning. I love it but it's going to take some getting used to. This is my first single speed and my first 29er.

    Before my ride. Nice and clean...



    And during...


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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyFeet33 View Post
    Just got back from my ride this morning. I love it but it's going to take some getting used to. This is my first single speed and my first 29er.

    Before my ride. Nice and clean...



    And during...

    Looking good! What size?

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    I got a large. I'm 6' 1" and it seems perfect for me.

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    fyi, all sizes come with a 100mm stem according to CC

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    Oh yeah - put a piece of tape between the front brake cable housing and the fork, right where it first touches it on the crown, just above the top guide. Mine got scuffed up, tape will keep that from happening.

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    Nice looking bike. Thanks for the photos.

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    After looking at these photos, I just realized that Clayton is on the inside of my fork giving a salute. Pretty sweet. I love the attention to detail Tyson used when designing these bikes. I haven't seen anything else like them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by clewttu View Post
    wish the mojito came with the matte fork that the orange comes with...not a fan of glossy or orange
    This is weird; the flat would look cool on the green too. Not a fan of gloss anything on MTBs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyFeet33 View Post
    After looking at these photos, I just realized that Clayton is on the inside of my fork giving a salute. Pretty sweet. I love the attention to detail Tyson used when designing these bikes. I haven't seen anything else like them.
    As a graphic designer and marketing guy, I love how well the graphics are done. I can't stand must bike graphics (sorry).

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    Nice pics!!!!
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    I'm a designer too and I totally agree. Most bikes are hideously designed with logos and crap all over the place. That's part of the reason why I bought a Civilian. All of their stuff is tasteful and understated. Their whole brand has been executed extremely well in my opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    As a graphic designer and marketing guy, I love how well the graphics are done. I can't stand must bike graphics (sorry).
    Same here. I love the clean and uncluttered look.
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    Kona does a pretty good job with their bikes too. But I think Civilian has nailed it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DirtyFeet33 View Post
    I'm a designer too and I totally agree. Most bikes are hideously designed with logos and crap all over the place. That's part of the reason why I bought a Civilian. All of their stuff is tasteful and understated. Their whole brand has been executed extremely well in my opinion.
    You are right. Typically you have to pay for some really high-end esoteric frame to get clean design. The overall branding is excellent and appears much higher end than the prices would indicate. If they're owned by Backcountry, that would also make sense as their sites and branding are pretty good overall.

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    Mine is coming on Tuesday. I hope to read some reviews after this weekend from the guys who already got them. Hint hint.

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    Young Turk

    I purchased the Young Turk a week ago and I have ridden the young turk twice now and I love it. Awesome bike. I am a 220 lb rider and it handles my weight well (I need to lose about 20 lbs). Not too whippy, and the bike just feels good all around. I used to ride an FSR, and I definitely like the Turk a lot better. The bike gives you some different options like running single speed, which I may try at some point.

    Bottom line, the bike looks awesome and rides awesome. Definitely recommend it. I will post some photos when I get the chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rippa Shredda View Post
    I purchased the Young Turk a week ago and I have ridden the young turk twice now and I love it. Awesome bike. I am a 220 lb rider and it handles my weight well (I need to lose about 20 lbs). Not too whippy, and the bike just feels good all around. I used to ride an FSR, and I definitely like the Turk a lot better. The bike gives you some different options like running single speed, which I may try at some point.

    Bottom line, the bike looks awesome and rides awesome. Definitely recommend it. I will post some photos when I get the chance.
    Same situation as me! Very different from my FSR, it tracks and rolls/carries it momentum better.

    Just now see Competitive Cyclist selling them for $1149
    If you on the fence about getting either SS or geared version, I say go for it w/ these prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rippa Shredda View Post
    I purchased the Young Turk a week ago and I have ridden the young turk twice now and I love it. Awesome bike. I am a 220 lb rider and it handles my weight well (I need to lose about 20 lbs). Not too whippy, and the bike just feels good all around. I used to ride an FSR, and I definitely like the Turk a lot better. The bike gives you some different options like running single speed, which I may try at some point.

    Bottom line, the bike looks awesome and rides awesome. Definitely recommend it. I will post some photos when I get the chance.
    How's the paint on the bike? The reason I ask is that I was planning to get one for my wife and then Huck N Roll pulled them from the site and when I enquired, they said some had bad paint jobs and they were inspecting all the bikes.

    Where did you get it from? If they're 1149, that is a screaming deal. The fork isn't cheap.

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    No issues with the paint or anything with the frame. Pretty well set up from the get go. For the price, I think it is a fairly good deal. Not that it matters much, but the understated graphics are pretty cool. I am not a designer, nor do I know anything about graphics, but I love the way the bike looks. If there are issues with it, it is nothing I am aware of. Great clearance with the single gear up front too.

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    well, i just ordered mine
    btw:
    2 day free shipping through backcountry
    free economy shipping and free jersey through huck-n-roll
    no deals from competitive cyclist

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