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    Quote Originally Posted by clewttu View Post
    well, i just ordered mine
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    free economy shipping and free jersey through huck-n-roll
    no deals from competitive cyclist
    Awesome! Two day free shipping is a better deal. I got my free jersey today and guarantee I will never wear it. My bike should be here tomorrow.
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    Unless it's ended, competitive cyclist had 25% off all Civilian bikes earlier today. Does anyone have any experience with the Young Turk? I'd rather have the BB7 brakes instead of the Elixers, but I like the Reba RL fork w/ 15 mm maxle, and converting the Young Turk to SS is a simple fix. For $1,200, the Young Turk looks like a nice SS with a decent fork. But the Salsa El Mar is only a few dollars more (and a few pounds lighter), so Im still on the fence. And the Ti Selma and new SIR9 are also calling my name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Tiki View Post
    Unless it's ended, competitive cyclist had 25% off all Civilian bikes earlier today. Does anyone have any experience with the Young Turk? I'd rather have the BB7 brakes instead of the Elixers, but I like the Reba RL fork w/ 15 mm maxle, and converting the Young Turk to SS is a simple fix. For $1,200, the Young Turk looks like a nice SS with a decent fork. But the Salsa El Mar is only a few dollars more (and a few pounds lighter), so Im still on the fence. And the Ti Selma and new SIR9 are also calling my name.
    Young Turk does not have the maxle - really wish mine came with it the way it was advertised. For the price you get quite a bit of good parts. I might give a call to ask if paint issues are the real reason the Turks are no longer for sale on the various sites(except Comp. Cyclist - w/ no free ship). Still thinking of returning it and trying the El Mar 3 if there is an issue other the paint as I have read here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pachaugbrad View Post
    Young Turk does not have the maxle - really wish mine came with it the way it was advertised. For the price you get quite a bit of good parts. I might give a call to ask if paint issues are the real reason the Turks are no longer for sale on the various sites(except Comp. Cyclist - w/ no free ship). Still thinking of returning it and trying the El Mar 3 if there is an issue other the paint as I have read here.
    I ordered a small the Young Turk today for my wife. If the paint looks nice, it is nice. I guess they had problems with some units (I was the guy that posted about the paint). The Turk is only on CC now ($99 shipping) and none of the many other sites - I wonder if they're having to look over lots of frames to get good ones to ship and want a little extra money for the trouble?

    The Salsa is nice, but the fork is not as good and they want $1,500 for it and you'd need to pay $1,900 to get one with the Reba compared to $1,124 for the Turk. The main thing lacking on the Turk are the wheels I think.

    How do you like the bike anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Tiki View Post
    Unless it's ended, competitive cyclist had 25% off all Civilian bikes earlier today.
    yeah its been that way for at least a couple weeks, all 3 sites have the 25% off, doubt it'll go away anytime soon either if at all...hell I won't be surprised to see them on chainlove in a few months at 40-50% off

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    Can anyone confirm how the Reba comes equipped on the Young Turk? 9mm qr?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluidworks View Post
    Can anyone confirm how the Reba comes equipped on the Young Turk? 9mm qr?
    Mine came w/ standard 9mm.

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    I put the Luddite together last night. It is an awesome looking bike that I'm sure will get some compliments. The medium feels just right with the stem slammed. I'm going to ditch the riser bars for some carbon flat bars asap.
    The drive side tensioner bolts were way over torqued. I nearly blew out a filling trying to break them free. That's my one and only complaint. So far...
    We're getting slammed by tropical storm Debbie. Hopefully I'll make the trails this weekend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Possum Jones View Post
    I put the Luddite together last night. It is an awesome looking bike that I'm sure will get some compliments. The medium feels just right with the stem slammed. I'm going to ditch the riser bars for some carbon flat bars asap.
    The drive side tensioner bolts were way over torqued. I nearly blew out a filling trying to break them free. That's my one and only complaint. So far...
    We're getting slammed by tropical storm Debbie. Hopefully I'll make the trails this weekend.
    Was there much to put together? HnR would have you believe you can ride the bike out of the box. What color did you get?

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    Ordered mine around 6pm cst yesterday and its arriving tomorrow with the free 2 day shipping, awesome
    that was 2 hours after the expected cutoff time according to backcountry's shipping info (4pm cst) to get the order out yesterday, but it still got shipped

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Was there much to put together? HnR would have you believe you can ride the bike out of the box. What color did you get?
    It's pretty much put together. Attach the handlebars to the stem, slide in the seatpost, and put on the wheels. It was even tensioned correctly.

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    I got mine today. Heading out on the inaugural ride now. Confirmed 26.6 lbs for a large. I can tell just from the bedding in process the first order of business will be new tires.

    Anyone seen a Civilian Luddite 29er?-imageuploadedbytapatalk1340735968.553239.jpg

    Not the best picture of the bike but as you can see the weather is perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakman View Post
    I got mine today. Heading out on the inaugural ride now. Confirmed 26.6 lbs for a large. I can tell just from the bedding in process the first order of business will be new tires.

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    Not the best picture of the bike but as you can see the weather is perfect.
    Sweat! Are the tires too heavy and slow for you? I'll keep the front maybe, but need something fast for the back.

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    I really like the mojito color. Not quite the Bianchi celeste, but in the same family. It's a nice deviation from the herd of current production bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Sweat! Are the tires too heavy and slow for you? I'll keep the front maybe, but need something fast for the back.
    I can't speak for zakman, but I've had a nevagal as a front before. They're slow rolling and heavy. I'm pretty sure they're 800+ grams a piece. That's way too much IMO. Especially with tubes.

    I ordered a stock set of arch ex with the ztr hubs and a 2.4 RaRa to go with the 2.2 I have now for the back. Also a 700mm Noir T30 flat carbon bar. The alu riser that came stock is not gonna work for me. I'm done throwing money at this for now. It should be a sweet set up once it's all together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Possum Jones View Post
    I can't speak for zakman, but I've had a nevagal as a front before. They're slow rolling and heavy. I'm pretty sure they're 800+ grams a piece. That's way too much IMO. Especially with tubes.

    I ordered a stock set of arch ex with the ztr hubs and a 2.4 RaRa to go with the 2.2 I have now for the back. Also a 700mm Noir T30 flat carbon bar. The alu riser that came stock is not gonna work for me. I'm done throwing money at this for now. It should be a sweet set up once it's all together.
    That is heavy; Rampages are only a little over 700 grams. Post some photos when you're done. Wheels and tires will make the bike much lighter.

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    I had my first ride today, about 10.5 miles. I normally do this loop in an hour and change on my Stumpjumper SS. I did it in 1:05 on the Luddite. Wasn't really pushing it so i was surprised at the time. The bike felt slow and heavy on the climbs but i think that will be solved by new tires and wheels. I do this loop on my full squish 26er in about 1:05 too and that is with really bombing the downhills. I was not bombing the downhills on the Luddite so even though it felt slow and heavy the bike must of been climbing well.

    I love the fork. I haven't ridden a rigid bike before but this fork feels light and stiff to me. It goes where you point it and holds the line. I used the brakes a whole lot less on this bike than on my stumpy.

    I love the feel of the bike. The + rise stem and riser bars definitely give it more of a trail bike feel. The Nevegals are slow rolling and heavy. They will be switched out shortly. I've ridden them before and I didn't keep them long that time either. I have a pair of 2.2 Captain Controls that I will probably put on for the time being.

    Nothing on the bike is light but it all works. Just about anything you switch out will result in a weight savings. Even the lock ring on the rear hub looks heavy.

    This is my first experience with BB7s and I can see why people like them so much. The rear brake needed a bit of adjustment out of the box, too much play in the lever. It took me about 20 seconds of looking at them to figure out what needed to be done and to do it. Probably would of had to do a bleed on my elixirs.

    The bike came mostly together. Put the wheels on, put the bars on, put the seat post on, add pedals and your done. Two tiny complaints about the condition of the bike upon arrival. It was missing one zip tie for the rear brake cable and the front brake cable needs an end cap.

    The bolts to adjust the sliding dropouts are standard run of the mill bolts. I think hex bolts might have been better.

    I think it is a great deal at $786.75. Most of the money is definitely in the frame and fork.

    I plan on getting new wheels for off road use. I also will probably get a set of stock Arch EXs. That combined with new tires will probably be close to a 2 lbs weight savings where it counts the most.

    I will probably put a set of slicks on the stock wheels and use them for commuting and family bike rides.

    All in all I am very pleased.

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    Zakman - thanks for the nice post-ride review. Glad you are liking your bike. I'll be curious to see your bike weight after the tire/wheel upgrade.

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    Nice mini-review Zakman; this is very helpful. I'll be interested to hear what you think when you change out the wheels and tires. The tires are very heavy and they most likely have big heavy tubes as well. I also think it's is interesting that you kept the same time as your 26er FS. BB7s are great brakes, but a pain to dial in when first installed (at least for me).

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    i also will be swapping the tires out for some 2.35 nobby nics, nevegals are the suck
    really would like to stay off the nevegals while waiting on the NN though so i can sell them as new...but thats gonna be tough

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakman View Post

    The bolts to adjust the sliding dropouts are standard run of the mill bolts. I think hex bolts might have been better.
    One solution: <http://www.paragonmachineworks.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=MS0023> If the link doesn't work, check out ParagonMachineWorks - they have a complete line of aftermarket bolts and parts for sliding dropouts, among other things.

    Looking forward to hearing more about the Luddite and Young Turk as more people start riding them and swapping out stock wheels and tires.
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    I just ordered mine, Im stoked. I got the free 2-day shipping at backcountry. I got the Large Mojito.

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    Keep the ride reports coming ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Possum Jones View Post
    I can't speak for zakman, but I've had a nevagal as a front before. They're slow rolling and heavy. I'm pretty sure they're 800+ grams a piece. That's way too much IMO. Especially with tubes.

    I ordered a stock set of arch ex with the ztr hubs and a 2.4 RaRa to go with the 2.2 I have now for the back. Also a 700mm Noir T30 flat carbon bar. The alu riser that came stock is not gonna work for me. I'm done throwing money at this for now. It should be a sweet set up once it's all together.
    Did you get the regular ZTR hub or the single speed version?

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    no ride report yet (other than a shakedown in my parking garage), but heres what i have:
    I'm 5'11", 32" inseam, normal proportions, main ride is an Ibis Mojo size large with a 23.6" ett and a 70mm stem, also ride a Salsa Fargo in large but i hesitate to compare it since its a drop bar touring/mountain bike...i ordered the medium Luddite with a 23.5" ett, and put on a 70mm spare stem I have (the 100mm feels a bit sluggish)...bike feels really good to me, without having ridden a Large, I would say this is perfect for me (I ride aggressive XC/trail/am/whatever you want to call it, anti racer though)...never owned a ss/rigid 29er but it will be a great compliment to my 26" FS

    packaging and pre-build were well done (properly torqued, greased threads, protected components...even located the tire logos properly)...the only adjustments needed were the brakes which was expected and the rotors seemed to have a slight bend in each one that was easy to straighten out
    bike is beautiful, as has been documented, understated graphics, great color scheme...only niggle is the glossy fork vs matte but i plan to spray can some matte clear coat on it...fork is 3k weave and fades to black at the lower legs, and has the saluting guy and CVLN on the inside of either leg in blue (hard to see in most pics)
    waiting on some 2.35 TLR Nobby Nics next week before i take it on the trail (selling the Nevegals), gonna put some XT 775 hydros on this week that were replaced by the 785's on my mojo (prob gonna sell the BB7's), and have some chinese carbon 9/10mm thru axle wheels on order, will keep the originals for an urban tire set up
    also, came with some spare parts including a slider for a derailleur

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    mine just showed up a minute ago. i'm a bit disappointed to see that the nevegals are actually 2.2s instead of 2.3s as advertised in the description on hucknroll, as i had plans to move the fat rubber over to my other bike. aside from that, things look good...now i just have to put her together.

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    ha, didnt even notice that
    i had asked them about the tire size though, cuz on backcountry/hucknroll the spec actually lists them as 2.5" nevegals and the description says 2.3", they told me that it was a 2.3", but on kendas site all they list are 2.2" in the 29er size so i figured it must be an oem size

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    Are the tires folding, or some weird wire bead OEM units? I like how the hanger come separate.

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    they are folding/DTC
    Edit: nm, they are wire
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    Does the front end feel light with that fork? Or is the boat anchor tire holding it down?

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    front end does feel light, and even more so now that i'm running x-kings tubeless. lightened things up quite a bit as far as i can tell.

    i've only spun around the block thus far, but the bike feels great and seems like a lot of fun. i may sneak a quick ride in at 7pm, but it's 99 degrees here right now so i might flake out.

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    First trail ride tomorrow am.
    My arch ex's and 2.4/2.2 RaRa set up will be here Tuesday along with my truvativ t30 700mm carbon bars. All in time for next weekends epic.
    I'll post up some ride thoughts tomorrow.
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    Just got back from my ride. I hit my local training trail that I know inside and out. The bike performed wonderfully. The brakes are solid with no adjustments made from the factory. The steal frame was rather plush and the rigid fork is sweet.

    Now, the bad.... The wheel, rubber, and tube combo from the factory is nothing short of horrible. This combo might work for some, but my main ride is a carbon ht with a tubless arch ex / hope combo, so I'm far from used to heavy clunker wheels with heavy rubber and low engagement hubs. I could definitely tell I was rolling on clunkers on the climbs.

    My other gripe is the handlebars. The alu bars are harsh. Carbon bars are going to make a big difference.

    Overall I'm very happy. Especially for the money. I'll post my next ride report once the new wheels and bars are installed. I'm sure they will make a world of difference and make a sweet ride even sweeter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Possum Jones View Post
    Just got back from my ride. I hit my local training trail that I know inside and out. The bike performed wonderfully. The brakes are solid with no adjustments made from the factory. The steal frame was rather plush and the rigid fork is sweet.

    Now, the bad.... The wheel, rubber, and tube combo from the factory is nothing short of horrible. This combo might work for some, but my main ride is a carbon ht with a tubless arch ex / hope combo, so I'm far from used to heavy clunker wheels with heavy rubber and low engagement hubs. I could definitely tell I was rolling on clunkers on the climbs.

    My other gripe is the handlebars. The alu bars are harsh. Carbon bars are going to make a big difference.

    Overall I'm very happy. Especially for the money. I'll post my next ride report once the new wheels and bars are installed. I'm sure they will make a world of difference and make a sweet ride even sweeter.
    Nice report!

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    I am setting my stock wheels up tubeless as we speak. Here are some things I learned. The 2.2 Nevegals have a wire bead and weigh 980 grams. The inner tubes weigh 210 grams. I just finished my rear wheel. Set it up with one layer of gorilla tape, 90 grams of Stan's and a 710 gram Captain control 2.2. I figure the tape and the rim strip i removed are a wash and 10 grams for the valve stem. So I saved about 380 grams on the rear wheel alone just by changing the tire and going tubeless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakman View Post
    I am setting my stock wheels up tubeless as we speak. Here are some things I learned. The 2.2 Nevegals have a wire bead and weigh 980 grams. The inner tubes weigh 210 grams. I just finished my rear wheel. Set it up with one layer of gorilla tape, 90 grams of Stan's and a 710 gram Captain control 2.2. I figure the tape and the rim strip i removed are a wash and 10 grams for the valve stem. So I saved about 380 grams on the rear wheel alone just by changing the tire and going tubeless.
    Wire beads after all! Did you weigh the stock wheels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Wire beads after all! Did you weigh the stock wheels?
    Tried to but I couldn't get them to balance on my kitchen scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakman View Post
    Tried to but I couldn't get them to balance on my kitchen scale.
    Thanks. The wheels aren't that bad on paper. The tires are a joke.

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    I'm going to order one of these this week. This fits the bill of my 29er dilemma perfectly. I almost ordered from Competitive Cyclist then I saw Huck n Roll saves me $100 on shipping. Awesome. So pumped for my first 29er.
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    I finished working on my bike for the day. I shaved 890 grams off the fat girl for the cost of a roll of gorilla tape. (Which my wife thinks is too much money to have spent). Everything else I already owned. On top of the new tires and tubeless setup (which cut 760 grams) I put on a KMC 8.99 chain. Same number of links saved 109 grams. Eighteen tooth Chris King cog cut 17 grams and a different lock ring (needed one with longer threads after having had to used different spacers to account for the wider base cog) cut 4 grams. The spacers were a wash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VTSession View Post
    I'm going to order one of these this week. This fits the bill of my 29er dilemma perfectly. I almost ordered from Competitive Cyclist then I saw Huck n Roll saves me $100 on shipping. Awesome. So pumped for my first 29er.
    Check through the earlier posts. Competitive Cyclist or Backcountry was offering free 2 day shipping the other day. Huck n roll is free standard shipping which took about a week for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakman View Post
    Check through the earlier posts. Competitive Cyclist or Backcountry was offering free 2 day shipping the other day. Huck n roll is free standard shipping which took about a week for me.
    As of today Competitive Cyclist wanted $99 for ground shipping (yikes!). I don't mind waiting an extra few days for the bike from Huck n Roll if the shipping is free.
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    Jamis exile comp

    hi guys quick question ,,,i need your opinion on a 29er ...ita jamis exile comp 2012 priced at 1100 bucks ,,,but the issue is i am a cylde at 6'5 371lbs ,,, i love the bike but dont know ANYTHING about jamis bikes ,,, my window to purchase is small as rthis is the last one available in my size ,,,,is this a fair starting point , just doing some xc-ing just starting out.......i do know i will need to upgrade the fork.................please help mtbr crew !!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakman View Post
    I finished working on my bike for the day. I shaved 890 grams off the fat girl for the cost of a roll of gorilla tape. (Which my wife thinks is too much money to have spent). Everything else I already owned. On top of the new tires and tubeless setup (which cut 760 grams) I put on a KMC 8.99 chain. Same number of links saved 109 grams. Eighteen tooth Chris King cog cut 17 grams and a different lock ring (needed one with longer threads after having had to used different spacers to account for the wider base cog) cut 4 grams. The spacers were a wash.
    Well played!
    Two pound simple weight loss ftw!
    I'm looking forward to putting nice wheels and lighter rubber on this week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Possum Jones View Post
    Well played!
    Two pound simple weight loss ftw!
    I'm looking forward to putting nice wheels and lighter rubber on this week.
    Nothing beats lighter rubber.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakman View Post
    I finished working on my bike for the day. I shaved 890 grams off the fat girl for the cost of a roll of gorilla tape. (Which my wife thinks is too much money to have spent). Everything else I already owned. On top of the new tires and tubeless setup (which cut 760 grams) I put on a KMC 8.99 chain. Same number of links saved 109 grams. Eighteen tooth Chris King cog cut 17 grams and a different lock ring (needed one with longer threads after having had to used different spacers to account for the wider base cog) cut 4 grams. The spacers were a wash.
    Have you ridden it yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Have you ridden it yet?
    I probably won't have the chance to ride it until Tuesday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VTSession View Post
    As of today Competitive Cyclist wanted $99 for ground shipping (yikes!). I don't mind waiting an extra few days for the bike from Huck n Roll if the shipping is free.
    backcountry has free 2 day shipping

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    Nothing beats lighter rubber.
    i prefer no rubber

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    Quote Originally Posted by clewttu View Post
    no ride report yet (other than a shakedown in my parking garage), but heres what i have:
    I'm 5'11", 32" inseam, normal proportions, main ride is an Ibis Mojo size large with a 23.6" ett and a 70mm stem, also ride a Salsa Fargo in large but i hesitate to compare it since its a drop bar touring/mountain bike...i ordered the medium Luddite with a 23.5" ett, and put on a 70mm spare stem I have (the 100mm feels a bit sluggish)...bike feels really good to me, without having ridden a Large, I would say this is perfect for me (I ride aggressive XC/trail/am/whatever you want to call it, anti racer though)...never owned a ss/rigid 29er but it will be a great compliment to my 26" FS

    packaging and pre-build were well done (properly torqued, greased threads, protected components...even located the tire logos properly)...the only adjustments needed were the brakes which was expected and the rotors seemed to have a slight bend in each one that was easy to straighten out
    bike is beautiful, as has been documented, understated graphics, great color scheme...only niggle is the glossy fork vs matte but i plan to spray can some matte clear coat on it...fork is 3k weave and fades to black at the lower legs, and has the saluting guy and CVLN on the inside of either leg in blue (hard to see in most pics)
    waiting on some 2.35 TLR Nobby Nics next week before i take it on the trail (selling the Nevegals), gonna put some XT 775 hydros on this week that were replaced by the 785's on my mojo (prob gonna sell the BB7's), and have some chinese carbon 9/10mm thru axle wheels on order, will keep the originals for an urban tire set up
    also, came with some spare parts including a slider for a derailleur

    here are some phone pics of it before any mods





















    Did you order from Backcountry or HnR? I noticed it disappeared from HnR ...

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