Anyone seen a Civilian Luddite 29er?

[texasnavy05]

Just put my Luddite up for sale on Ebay if anyone is interested.

Item number- 281022758726

Are you going to drop the price again? Or just keep it? I figured it would have gone for $520.

[Short Bus]

Just ordered one of these, looks like a very nice bike for the money.

I was just curious about the wheelset. I read in the thread that they weigh approx 2400 grams ... Can anyone else confirm this? This seems extremely heavy...

Anyways, thx for sharing your insight. I'm super excited to get my new ride.

[Possum Jones]

The wheels and tires that come stock are extremely heavy. An upgrade here is money well spent IMO.

[SS Hack]

Just ordered one of these, looks like a very nice bike for the money.

I was just curious about the wheelset. I read in the thread that they weigh approx 2400 grams ... Can anyone else confirm this? This seems extremely heavy...

Anyways, thx for sharing your insight. I'm super excited to get my new ride.

I think mine were around 2300. The tires are boat anchors at 980 each.

[Short Bus]

Thanks for the info guys. Fortunately I have a spare set of wheels waiting to go on. The hard part now is just waiting patiently for them to ship it... I'll weigh the wheels when I get them in and will post up some pics.

[hiroshima]

Mine just arrived. I also grabbed the WTB Trail TCS 29r wheelset they also had on backcountry. Reasonably weight 1950g (comparable to an EA70 or other mid-line wheelset) but not light compared to Stans.

Will build up tonight.

May stick with the mech discs, only used hydro in the past and interested to see what the current mech's feel like. I figure I can hawk them for $70 on craigs for the F&R set to offset the hydro costs if I decide to go that way.

Planning on a Thomson post, WCS Stem, maybe EA70 bars, Fizik saddle and a CK cog for now. Crankset and tires will have to wait a bit...

Had a 05 Specialized Epic with all XT that I just sold for this bike. It will be quite a transition from FS to full-rigid. But the 1 ride I seem to have time for per year for the last 6 years did not seem to justify servicing the F&R shocks at $250 each rotation. Now my MTB became just as easy to maintain as my road bikes and longtail

[Zakman]

The stock seat post is actually pretty good. Thomson style clamp and not outrageously heavy. I would replace the tires before the seat post. You can save almost a pound of rotational weight for the cost of the post.

[SS Hack]

The stock seat post is actually pretty good. Thomson style clamp and not outrageously heavy. I would replace the tires before the seat post. You can save almost a pound of rotational weight for the cost of the post.

Most of the parts aren't bad at all. The wheels and tires are the extreme offenders.

[DBackRider08]

So those of you with upgrades done to the bike, especially wheels & tires, what does your bike weigh after upgrades? Ordered a Hope/Flow combo tonight and have Geax Saguaro 2.2 TNT's on the way. Hoping to shave 2 lbs off the bike with the new setup running tubeless. I can't wait. Loving the bike btw.

[SS Hack]

So those of you with upgrades done to the bike, especially wheels & tires, what does your bike weigh after upgrades? Ordered a Hope/Flow combo tonight and have Geax Saguaro 2.2 TNT's on the way. Hoping to shave 2 lbs off the bike with the new setup running tubeless. I can't wait. Loving the bike btw.

I haven't weighed mine yet, but two pounds is easy - the tires are so heavy you can lose more than a pound there. I gained 3 pounds by adding a fork, but I'm icing to take it back off because of the weight.

[DBackRider08]

Oops I meant to post in the Young Turk thread.

[SS Hack]

Oops I meant to post in the Young Turk thread.

Almost the same bike ...

[DBackRider08]

True. :P

[HEMIjer]

So those of you with upgrades done to the bike, especially wheels & tires, what does your bike weigh after upgrades? Ordered a Hope/Flow combo tonight and have Geax Saguaro 2.2 TNT's on the way. Hoping to shave 2 lbs off the bike with the new setup running tubeless. I can't wait. Loving the bike btw.

You will come close to that at least (maybe exceed) I have Hopes Flows on another bike and rode them with Regular Saguagros for a long time night and day difference between that and Nevegals. I had switched from TN719s Mavics at the time and mine have been great. In fact as old as those wheels are plan is to hopefully keep the stock anchors on the Civilian for now and get some I9s / ArchExs for my FS in the spring and move Hope Flows over to the SS Luddite.

Any reason you went TNTs? I have heard the bead is tough to get on stans rims and the regualr folding bead works great.

[DBackRider08]

Cool, nice. No particular reason I went with the TNTs. I got a deal on the them and bought them prior to finding a deal on the Hope/Flows. LoL. I have heard about the TNTs being somewhat of a pain to install. However, a buddy of mine is running AKA TNT's on a set of Sun Ringle Charger Pros so I'm not too worried. Great to hear that my future setup will certainly lighten things up to my expectation or exceed it. How did you like the Saguaro tires? I'm hoping they are fairly fast rolling with good traction. Had some good reviews on 'em online. Just a waiting game for my parts to arrive now which is the part I hate... lol.

[HEMIjer]

I like the Saguaros the Luddite has one on rear right now. Best comparioson tire I have to them is probably an ikon, other than weight i like the Saguaro. A lot of info on this board told me Ikon Ex would be better for wet roots, I think Saguaro was better. Side traction about equal, sidewall strength never had a issue and have used them from some AM type riding, have cut some older Maxxis tires (cross marks). Also had issues with an ikon and stans causing bubbles. Price Saguaro wins hand down and is more durable. All my 2 cents, I will still use Maxxis Ikons for the weight but for all round bike not for racing I prefer the Saguaro.

One caveat this is all setup tubeless, I did notice Saguaros were prone to thorn punctures minimal times I ran them with tubes.

[1 Speed]

Not to turn this into a tire discussion but I second you on the Saguaros. In 10+ years of 29'ers I've ridden a lot of tires and my favorites, without question are the Saguaros. I go non-TNT because they're a lot lighter and once you get them set up, they work really well tubeless too.

[hiroshima]

The stock seat post is actually pretty good. Thomson style clamp and not outrageously heavy. I would replace the tires before the seat post. You can save almost a pound of rotational weight for the cost of the post.

Yep. Would normally agree but I'm cheating by upgrading two bikes at once.

Moving a Thomson setback from my SS road bike and replacing with a 0-setback EC90
I want a deeper drop on the same road bike so getting a EA90 stem and moving the WCS 4-axis to the Luddite.

Tires are definitely next. Ideally I could gawk the current ones with the stock wheels on CL to create some cash flow for new rubber.

The bike will never be a weight weenie bike. But I like good stuff and only want to buy it once so while not Moots, these prices are good enough for a pouser like me. Cheers

[carlos9]

i'm 5'8" with a 30 inch inseam... i'm thinking medium frame? i know the medium has a 30" stand over height, just wondering if i'm leaving myself enough room. can anyone with a similar build help me out... tia.

[HEMIjer]

i'm 5'8" with a 30 inch inseam... i'm thinking medium frame? i know the medium has a 30" stand over height, just wondering if i'm leaving myself enough room. can anyone with a similar build help me out... tia.

ETT is probably a better measurement. I am 5'7 or 8" depending on day it seems with 29" inseam I ride a medium but I already knew I was comfortable on a bike with 23.5 ETT. If you are really worried about standover and think the Top Tube will be fine than I think you will be ok, got to rember that doesnt include shoes and bike is leaned when hoping on. I would go with it, if you like to sit more upright and be able to toss bike around small may be better. I personally like to be stretched out and leaned over slightly. Also keep in mind bike comes with straight post, you can always go setback or change stem lengths to play with position a little (dont go over board and totally ruin geo).

I like to give folks this link

Bike Stem Calculator - Brightspoke

[carlos9]

ETT is probably a better measurement. I am 5'7 or 8" depending on day it seems with 29" inseam I ride a medium but I already knew I was comfortable on a bike with 23.5 ETT. If you are really worried about standover and think the Top Tube will be fine than I think you will be ok, got to rember that doesnt include shoes and bike is leaned when hoping on. I would go with it, if you like to sit more upright and be able to toss bike around small may be better. I personally like to be stretched out and leaned over slightly. Also keep in mind bike comes with straight post, you can always go setback or change stem lengths to play with position a little (dont go over board and totally ruin geo).

I like to give folks this link

Bike Stem Calculator - Brightspoke

thanks, thats great info

[SS Hack]

i'm 5'8" with a 30 inch inseam... i'm thinking medium frame? i know the medium has a 30" stand over height, just wondering if i'm leaving myself enough room. can anyone with a similar build help me out... tia.

I'd say medium with a shorter stem. The stand over is really close on both sizes because of the slopping top tube (I have the medium and my wife has a small Young Turk). That said, I'm 5'10" and a 31" inseam and I could ride either. The small feels fun and easy to throw around, like you want to want look around for some modest jumps. I'm going to a shorter stem on the medium; I think this bike lends itself to a less stretched out position.

[texasnavy05]

So, to those that own this bike, I'm looking for more info on this fork.

Is it carbon steerer?

Weight?

Ride report/compliance?

comparison to niner carbon fork?

TIA

[nephron]

Please forgive my ignorance, but I am only just coming to the time when I have to man up and work on my own bike. I am preparing to change my rear cog, and my question is this-
does the quando hub use a normal shimano-type freewheel tool, or is it something wierd? any other pitfalls I need to watch out for?

[Zakman]

Just need a chain whip and a lock ring removal tool. You may need different spacers depending on the width of your new cog.