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    Quote Originally Posted by clewttu View Post
    well, i just ordered mine
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    free economy shipping and free jersey through huck-n-roll
    no deals from competitive cyclist
    Awesome! Two day free shipping is a better deal. I got my free jersey today and guarantee I will never wear it. My bike should be here tomorrow.
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    Unless it's ended, competitive cyclist had 25% off all Civilian bikes earlier today. Does anyone have any experience with the Young Turk? I'd rather have the BB7 brakes instead of the Elixers, but I like the Reba RL fork w/ 15 mm maxle, and converting the Young Turk to SS is a simple fix. For $1,200, the Young Turk looks like a nice SS with a decent fork. But the Salsa El Mar is only a few dollars more (and a few pounds lighter), so Im still on the fence. And the Ti Selma and new SIR9 are also calling my name.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Tiki View Post
    Unless it's ended, competitive cyclist had 25% off all Civilian bikes earlier today. Does anyone have any experience with the Young Turk? I'd rather have the BB7 brakes instead of the Elixers, but I like the Reba RL fork w/ 15 mm maxle, and converting the Young Turk to SS is a simple fix. For $1,200, the Young Turk looks like a nice SS with a decent fork. But the Salsa El Mar is only a few dollars more (and a few pounds lighter), so Im still on the fence. And the Ti Selma and new SIR9 are also calling my name.
    Young Turk does not have the maxle - really wish mine came with it the way it was advertised. For the price you get quite a bit of good parts. I might give a call to ask if paint issues are the real reason the Turks are no longer for sale on the various sites(except Comp. Cyclist - w/ no free ship). Still thinking of returning it and trying the El Mar 3 if there is an issue other the paint as I have read here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pachaugbrad View Post
    Young Turk does not have the maxle - really wish mine came with it the way it was advertised. For the price you get quite a bit of good parts. I might give a call to ask if paint issues are the real reason the Turks are no longer for sale on the various sites(except Comp. Cyclist - w/ no free ship). Still thinking of returning it and trying the El Mar 3 if there is an issue other the paint as I have read here.
    I ordered a small the Young Turk today for my wife. If the paint looks nice, it is nice. I guess they had problems with some units (I was the guy that posted about the paint). The Turk is only on CC now ($99 shipping) and none of the many other sites - I wonder if they're having to look over lots of frames to get good ones to ship and want a little extra money for the trouble?

    The Salsa is nice, but the fork is not as good and they want $1,500 for it and you'd need to pay $1,900 to get one with the Reba compared to $1,124 for the Turk. The main thing lacking on the Turk are the wheels I think.

    How do you like the bike anyway?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Tiki View Post
    Unless it's ended, competitive cyclist had 25% off all Civilian bikes earlier today.
    yeah its been that way for at least a couple weeks, all 3 sites have the 25% off, doubt it'll go away anytime soon either if at all...hell I won't be surprised to see them on chainlove in a few months at 40-50% off

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    Can anyone confirm how the Reba comes equipped on the Young Turk? 9mm qr?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fluidworks View Post
    Can anyone confirm how the Reba comes equipped on the Young Turk? 9mm qr?
    Mine came w/ standard 9mm.

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    I put the Luddite together last night. It is an awesome looking bike that I'm sure will get some compliments. The medium feels just right with the stem slammed. I'm going to ditch the riser bars for some carbon flat bars asap.
    The drive side tensioner bolts were way over torqued. I nearly blew out a filling trying to break them free. That's my one and only complaint. So far...
    We're getting slammed by tropical storm Debbie. Hopefully I'll make the trails this weekend.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Possum Jones View Post
    I put the Luddite together last night. It is an awesome looking bike that I'm sure will get some compliments. The medium feels just right with the stem slammed. I'm going to ditch the riser bars for some carbon flat bars asap.
    The drive side tensioner bolts were way over torqued. I nearly blew out a filling trying to break them free. That's my one and only complaint. So far...
    We're getting slammed by tropical storm Debbie. Hopefully I'll make the trails this weekend.
    Was there much to put together? HnR would have you believe you can ride the bike out of the box. What color did you get?

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    Ordered mine around 6pm cst yesterday and its arriving tomorrow with the free 2 day shipping, awesome
    that was 2 hours after the expected cutoff time according to backcountry's shipping info (4pm cst) to get the order out yesterday, but it still got shipped

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Was there much to put together? HnR would have you believe you can ride the bike out of the box. What color did you get?
    It's pretty much put together. Attach the handlebars to the stem, slide in the seatpost, and put on the wheels. It was even tensioned correctly.

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    I got mine today. Heading out on the inaugural ride now. Confirmed 26.6 lbs for a large. I can tell just from the bedding in process the first order of business will be new tires.

    Anyone seen a Civilian Luddite 29er?-imageuploadedbytapatalk1340735968.553239.jpg

    Not the best picture of the bike but as you can see the weather is perfect.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakman View Post
    I got mine today. Heading out on the inaugural ride now. Confirmed 26.6 lbs for a large. I can tell just from the bedding in process the first order of business will be new tires.

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    Not the best picture of the bike but as you can see the weather is perfect.
    Sweat! Are the tires too heavy and slow for you? I'll keep the front maybe, but need something fast for the back.

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    I really like the mojito color. Not quite the Bianchi celeste, but in the same family. It's a nice deviation from the herd of current production bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Sweat! Are the tires too heavy and slow for you? I'll keep the front maybe, but need something fast for the back.
    I can't speak for zakman, but I've had a nevagal as a front before. They're slow rolling and heavy. I'm pretty sure they're 800+ grams a piece. That's way too much IMO. Especially with tubes.

    I ordered a stock set of arch ex with the ztr hubs and a 2.4 RaRa to go with the 2.2 I have now for the back. Also a 700mm Noir T30 flat carbon bar. The alu riser that came stock is not gonna work for me. I'm done throwing money at this for now. It should be a sweet set up once it's all together.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Possum Jones View Post
    I can't speak for zakman, but I've had a nevagal as a front before. They're slow rolling and heavy. I'm pretty sure they're 800+ grams a piece. That's way too much IMO. Especially with tubes.

    I ordered a stock set of arch ex with the ztr hubs and a 2.4 RaRa to go with the 2.2 I have now for the back. Also a 700mm Noir T30 flat carbon bar. The alu riser that came stock is not gonna work for me. I'm done throwing money at this for now. It should be a sweet set up once it's all together.
    That is heavy; Rampages are only a little over 700 grams. Post some photos when you're done. Wheels and tires will make the bike much lighter.

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    I had my first ride today, about 10.5 miles. I normally do this loop in an hour and change on my Stumpjumper SS. I did it in 1:05 on the Luddite. Wasn't really pushing it so i was surprised at the time. The bike felt slow and heavy on the climbs but i think that will be solved by new tires and wheels. I do this loop on my full squish 26er in about 1:05 too and that is with really bombing the downhills. I was not bombing the downhills on the Luddite so even though it felt slow and heavy the bike must of been climbing well.

    I love the fork. I haven't ridden a rigid bike before but this fork feels light and stiff to me. It goes where you point it and holds the line. I used the brakes a whole lot less on this bike than on my stumpy.

    I love the feel of the bike. The + rise stem and riser bars definitely give it more of a trail bike feel. The Nevegals are slow rolling and heavy. They will be switched out shortly. I've ridden them before and I didn't keep them long that time either. I have a pair of 2.2 Captain Controls that I will probably put on for the time being.

    Nothing on the bike is light but it all works. Just about anything you switch out will result in a weight savings. Even the lock ring on the rear hub looks heavy.

    This is my first experience with BB7s and I can see why people like them so much. The rear brake needed a bit of adjustment out of the box, too much play in the lever. It took me about 20 seconds of looking at them to figure out what needed to be done and to do it. Probably would of had to do a bleed on my elixirs.

    The bike came mostly together. Put the wheels on, put the bars on, put the seat post on, add pedals and your done. Two tiny complaints about the condition of the bike upon arrival. It was missing one zip tie for the rear brake cable and the front brake cable needs an end cap.

    The bolts to adjust the sliding dropouts are standard run of the mill bolts. I think hex bolts might have been better.

    I think it is a great deal at $786.75. Most of the money is definitely in the frame and fork.

    I plan on getting new wheels for off road use. I also will probably get a set of stock Arch EXs. That combined with new tires will probably be close to a 2 lbs weight savings where it counts the most.

    I will probably put a set of slicks on the stock wheels and use them for commuting and family bike rides.

    All in all I am very pleased.

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    Zakman - thanks for the nice post-ride review. Glad you are liking your bike. I'll be curious to see your bike weight after the tire/wheel upgrade.

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    Nice mini-review Zakman; this is very helpful. I'll be interested to hear what you think when you change out the wheels and tires. The tires are very heavy and they most likely have big heavy tubes as well. I also think it's is interesting that you kept the same time as your 26er FS. BB7s are great brakes, but a pain to dial in when first installed (at least for me).

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    i also will be swapping the tires out for some 2.35 nobby nics, nevegals are the suck
    really would like to stay off the nevegals while waiting on the NN though so i can sell them as new...but thats gonna be tough

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakman View Post

    The bolts to adjust the sliding dropouts are standard run of the mill bolts. I think hex bolts might have been better.
    One solution: <http://www.paragonmachineworks.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=MS0023> If the link doesn't work, check out ParagonMachineWorks - they have a complete line of aftermarket bolts and parts for sliding dropouts, among other things.

    Looking forward to hearing more about the Luddite and Young Turk as more people start riding them and swapping out stock wheels and tires.
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    I just ordered mine, Im stoked. I got the free 2-day shipping at backcountry. I got the Large Mojito.

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    Keep the ride reports coming ...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Possum Jones View Post
    I can't speak for zakman, but I've had a nevagal as a front before. They're slow rolling and heavy. I'm pretty sure they're 800+ grams a piece. That's way too much IMO. Especially with tubes.

    I ordered a stock set of arch ex with the ztr hubs and a 2.4 RaRa to go with the 2.2 I have now for the back. Also a 700mm Noir T30 flat carbon bar. The alu riser that came stock is not gonna work for me. I'm done throwing money at this for now. It should be a sweet set up once it's all together.
    Did you get the regular ZTR hub or the single speed version?

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    no ride report yet (other than a shakedown in my parking garage), but heres what i have:
    I'm 5'11", 32" inseam, normal proportions, main ride is an Ibis Mojo size large with a 23.6" ett and a 70mm stem, also ride a Salsa Fargo in large but i hesitate to compare it since its a drop bar touring/mountain bike...i ordered the medium Luddite with a 23.5" ett, and put on a 70mm spare stem I have (the 100mm feels a bit sluggish)...bike feels really good to me, without having ridden a Large, I would say this is perfect for me (I ride aggressive XC/trail/am/whatever you want to call it, anti racer though)...never owned a ss/rigid 29er but it will be a great compliment to my 26" FS

    packaging and pre-build were well done (properly torqued, greased threads, protected components...even located the tire logos properly)...the only adjustments needed were the brakes which was expected and the rotors seemed to have a slight bend in each one that was easy to straighten out
    bike is beautiful, as has been documented, understated graphics, great color scheme...only niggle is the glossy fork vs matte but i plan to spray can some matte clear coat on it...fork is 3k weave and fades to black at the lower legs, and has the saluting guy and CVLN on the inside of either leg in blue (hard to see in most pics)
    waiting on some 2.35 TLR Nobby Nics next week before i take it on the trail (selling the Nevegals), gonna put some XT 775 hydros on this week that were replaced by the 785's on my mojo (prob gonna sell the BB7's), and have some chinese carbon 9/10mm thru axle wheels on order, will keep the originals for an urban tire set up
    also, came with some spare parts including a slider for a derailleur

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    mine just showed up a minute ago. i'm a bit disappointed to see that the nevegals are actually 2.2s instead of 2.3s as advertised in the description on hucknroll, as i had plans to move the fat rubber over to my other bike. aside from that, things look good...now i just have to put her together.

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    ha, didnt even notice that
    i had asked them about the tire size though, cuz on backcountry/hucknroll the spec actually lists them as 2.5" nevegals and the description says 2.3", they told me that it was a 2.3", but on kendas site all they list are 2.2" in the 29er size so i figured it must be an oem size

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    Are the tires folding, or some weird wire bead OEM units? I like how the hanger come separate.

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    they are folding/DTC
    Edit: nm, they are wire
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    Does the front end feel light with that fork? Or is the boat anchor tire holding it down?

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    front end does feel light, and even more so now that i'm running x-kings tubeless. lightened things up quite a bit as far as i can tell.

    i've only spun around the block thus far, but the bike feels great and seems like a lot of fun. i may sneak a quick ride in at 7pm, but it's 99 degrees here right now so i might flake out.

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    First trail ride tomorrow am.
    My arch ex's and 2.4/2.2 RaRa set up will be here Tuesday along with my truvativ t30 700mm carbon bars. All in time for next weekends epic.
    I'll post up some ride thoughts tomorrow.
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    Just got back from my ride. I hit my local training trail that I know inside and out. The bike performed wonderfully. The brakes are solid with no adjustments made from the factory. The steal frame was rather plush and the rigid fork is sweet.

    Now, the bad.... The wheel, rubber, and tube combo from the factory is nothing short of horrible. This combo might work for some, but my main ride is a carbon ht with a tubless arch ex / hope combo, so I'm far from used to heavy clunker wheels with heavy rubber and low engagement hubs. I could definitely tell I was rolling on clunkers on the climbs.

    My other gripe is the handlebars. The alu bars are harsh. Carbon bars are going to make a big difference.

    Overall I'm very happy. Especially for the money. I'll post my next ride report once the new wheels and bars are installed. I'm sure they will make a world of difference and make a sweet ride even sweeter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Possum Jones View Post
    Just got back from my ride. I hit my local training trail that I know inside and out. The bike performed wonderfully. The brakes are solid with no adjustments made from the factory. The steal frame was rather plush and the rigid fork is sweet.

    Now, the bad.... The wheel, rubber, and tube combo from the factory is nothing short of horrible. This combo might work for some, but my main ride is a carbon ht with a tubless arch ex / hope combo, so I'm far from used to heavy clunker wheels with heavy rubber and low engagement hubs. I could definitely tell I was rolling on clunkers on the climbs.

    My other gripe is the handlebars. The alu bars are harsh. Carbon bars are going to make a big difference.

    Overall I'm very happy. Especially for the money. I'll post my next ride report once the new wheels and bars are installed. I'm sure they will make a world of difference and make a sweet ride even sweeter.
    Nice report!

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    I am setting my stock wheels up tubeless as we speak. Here are some things I learned. The 2.2 Nevegals have a wire bead and weigh 980 grams. The inner tubes weigh 210 grams. I just finished my rear wheel. Set it up with one layer of gorilla tape, 90 grams of Stan's and a 710 gram Captain control 2.2. I figure the tape and the rim strip i removed are a wash and 10 grams for the valve stem. So I saved about 380 grams on the rear wheel alone just by changing the tire and going tubeless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakman View Post
    I am setting my stock wheels up tubeless as we speak. Here are some things I learned. The 2.2 Nevegals have a wire bead and weigh 980 grams. The inner tubes weigh 210 grams. I just finished my rear wheel. Set it up with one layer of gorilla tape, 90 grams of Stan's and a 710 gram Captain control 2.2. I figure the tape and the rim strip i removed are a wash and 10 grams for the valve stem. So I saved about 380 grams on the rear wheel alone just by changing the tire and going tubeless.
    Wire beads after all! Did you weigh the stock wheels?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Wire beads after all! Did you weigh the stock wheels?
    Tried to but I couldn't get them to balance on my kitchen scale.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakman View Post
    Tried to but I couldn't get them to balance on my kitchen scale.
    Thanks. The wheels aren't that bad on paper. The tires are a joke.

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    I'm going to order one of these this week. This fits the bill of my 29er dilemma perfectly. I almost ordered from Competitive Cyclist then I saw Huck n Roll saves me $100 on shipping. Awesome. So pumped for my first 29er.
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    I finished working on my bike for the day. I shaved 890 grams off the fat girl for the cost of a roll of gorilla tape. (Which my wife thinks is too much money to have spent). Everything else I already owned. On top of the new tires and tubeless setup (which cut 760 grams) I put on a KMC 8.99 chain. Same number of links saved 109 grams. Eighteen tooth Chris King cog cut 17 grams and a different lock ring (needed one with longer threads after having had to used different spacers to account for the wider base cog) cut 4 grams. The spacers were a wash.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VTSession View Post
    I'm going to order one of these this week. This fits the bill of my 29er dilemma perfectly. I almost ordered from Competitive Cyclist then I saw Huck n Roll saves me $100 on shipping. Awesome. So pumped for my first 29er.
    Check through the earlier posts. Competitive Cyclist or Backcountry was offering free 2 day shipping the other day. Huck n roll is free standard shipping which took about a week for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakman View Post
    Check through the earlier posts. Competitive Cyclist or Backcountry was offering free 2 day shipping the other day. Huck n roll is free standard shipping which took about a week for me.
    As of today Competitive Cyclist wanted $99 for ground shipping (yikes!). I don't mind waiting an extra few days for the bike from Huck n Roll if the shipping is free.
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    Jamis exile comp

    hi guys quick question ,,,i need your opinion on a 29er ...ita jamis exile comp 2012 priced at 1100 bucks ,,,but the issue is i am a cylde at 6'5 371lbs ,,, i love the bike but dont know ANYTHING about jamis bikes ,,, my window to purchase is small as rthis is the last one available in my size ,,,,is this a fair starting point , just doing some xc-ing just starting out.......i do know i will need to upgrade the fork.................please help mtbr crew !!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakman View Post
    I finished working on my bike for the day. I shaved 890 grams off the fat girl for the cost of a roll of gorilla tape. (Which my wife thinks is too much money to have spent). Everything else I already owned. On top of the new tires and tubeless setup (which cut 760 grams) I put on a KMC 8.99 chain. Same number of links saved 109 grams. Eighteen tooth Chris King cog cut 17 grams and a different lock ring (needed one with longer threads after having had to used different spacers to account for the wider base cog) cut 4 grams. The spacers were a wash.
    Well played!
    Two pound simple weight loss ftw!
    I'm looking forward to putting nice wheels and lighter rubber on this week.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Possum Jones View Post
    Well played!
    Two pound simple weight loss ftw!
    I'm looking forward to putting nice wheels and lighter rubber on this week.
    Nothing beats lighter rubber.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakman View Post
    I finished working on my bike for the day. I shaved 890 grams off the fat girl for the cost of a roll of gorilla tape. (Which my wife thinks is too much money to have spent). Everything else I already owned. On top of the new tires and tubeless setup (which cut 760 grams) I put on a KMC 8.99 chain. Same number of links saved 109 grams. Eighteen tooth Chris King cog cut 17 grams and a different lock ring (needed one with longer threads after having had to used different spacers to account for the wider base cog) cut 4 grams. The spacers were a wash.
    Have you ridden it yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    Have you ridden it yet?
    I probably won't have the chance to ride it until Tuesday.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VTSession View Post
    As of today Competitive Cyclist wanted $99 for ground shipping (yikes!). I don't mind waiting an extra few days for the bike from Huck n Roll if the shipping is free.
    backcountry has free 2 day shipping

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    Nothing beats lighter rubber.
    i prefer no rubber

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    Quote Originally Posted by clewttu View Post
    no ride report yet (other than a shakedown in my parking garage), but heres what i have:
    I'm 5'11", 32" inseam, normal proportions, main ride is an Ibis Mojo size large with a 23.6" ett and a 70mm stem, also ride a Salsa Fargo in large but i hesitate to compare it since its a drop bar touring/mountain bike...i ordered the medium Luddite with a 23.5" ett, and put on a 70mm spare stem I have (the 100mm feels a bit sluggish)...bike feels really good to me, without having ridden a Large, I would say this is perfect for me (I ride aggressive XC/trail/am/whatever you want to call it, anti racer though)...never owned a ss/rigid 29er but it will be a great compliment to my 26" FS

    packaging and pre-build were well done (properly torqued, greased threads, protected components...even located the tire logos properly)...the only adjustments needed were the brakes which was expected and the rotors seemed to have a slight bend in each one that was easy to straighten out
    bike is beautiful, as has been documented, understated graphics, great color scheme...only niggle is the glossy fork vs matte but i plan to spray can some matte clear coat on it...fork is 3k weave and fades to black at the lower legs, and has the saluting guy and CVLN on the inside of either leg in blue (hard to see in most pics)
    waiting on some 2.35 TLR Nobby Nics next week before i take it on the trail (selling the Nevegals), gonna put some XT 775 hydros on this week that were replaced by the 785's on my mojo (prob gonna sell the BB7's), and have some chinese carbon 9/10mm thru axle wheels on order, will keep the originals for an urban tire set up
    also, came with some spare parts including a slider for a derailleur

    here are some phone pics of it before any mods





















    Did you order from Backcountry or HnR? I noticed it disappeared from HnR ...

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    backcountry
    It's weird how many sites they have and how stuff comes and goes from some sites. Still a great company however.

    On the plus side: Backcountry has a forever return policy compared to 60 days at the others. So try to break the frame now.

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    its still up on huck n roll
    edit: well, it was, then 5 seconds later, gone...then after a couple refreshes, back up...weird

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    Quote Originally Posted by clewttu View Post
    its still up on huck n roll
    edit: well, it was, then 5 seconds later, gone...then after a couple refreshes, back up...weird
    Maybe mountain bikers are bad IT people.

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    I got it today!

    You guys were right , tires are terrible, I switched them to small block 8's. I also had a Thomson stem laying around so I put that on there. I have a carbon post somewhere that I am also going to add. Bike rides great, very different from my Jabberwocky. I am looking forward to an Independence day ride!
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    Joshua_B: what was the biggest difference you noticed compared to the Jabber so far?

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    The geometry is totally different, that is what stood out first thing. You get a much more upright position. I really like the bike, but I would not use it for any 12 or 24 hour races. To me the Jabber has much better geometry for being on it for a long time. The Luddite is a super fun bike that begs to be ridden very aggressive. It wants to be jumped and whipped around. It's a great bike!

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    Just received an e-mail from Huck n' Roll, 25% off Civilian bikes! Check it out!

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    little late to the party, theyve been on sale a while now

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    Fork

    If you look at the fork on the Luddite, at the bottom it goes from carbon to black, is the fork still carbon or is it fiberglass weaved to the carbon? Because the dropouts appear to be fiberglass to me?

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    i assumed it was full carbon but didnt really look that closely at mine
    its listed as a bevato fork, and this is the one in their lineup i would think it is (described as full carbon)

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    Quote Originally Posted by clewttu View Post
    little late to the party, theyve been on sale a while now
    No reason to go out and impulse buy one then... Damn female marketing almost got me.

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    yeah, i mentioned it earlier, but they probably wont go back up in price, they usually mark down their in house stuff from list price pretty quickly and keep it there or go lower (like stoic clothing/gear) and at some point these will prob end up on chainlove when they are ready to clear them out for the next years paint job

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joshua_B View Post
    The geometry is totally different, that is what stood out first thing. You get a much more upright position. I really like the bike, but I would not use it for any 12 or 24 hour races. To me the Jabber has much better geometry for being on it for a long time. The Luddite is a super fun bike that begs to be ridden very aggressive. It wants to be jumped and whipped around. It's a great bike!
    Great to hear. I'm building a Salsa El Mar and it has geo somewhat like your Jabber, so now I have more reasons to buy the Luddite (and excuses). Sounds like a fun bike indeed.

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    The Luddite went on a diet today. It'll be Saturday before I'm at the lbs for an official weigh in, but I'm thinking it dropped at least three pounds.
    I mounted up my archex with a 2.4 RaRa in the front and a 2.25 RoRo in the back. For kicks I threw the stock front wheel with tire/tube/rotor on my kitchen scale it weighed ~2500 grams. The archex with the rotor, RaRa and stans weighed ~1650. I imagine the difference in rear wheels is about the same. Nice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Possum Jones View Post
    The Luddite went on a diet today. It'll be Saturday before I'm at the lbs for an official weigh in, but I'm thinking it dropped at least three pounds.
    I mounted up my archex with a 2.4 RaRa in the front and a 2.25 RoRo in the back. For kicks I threw the stock front wheel with tire/tube/rotor on my kitchen scale it weighed ~2500 grams. The archex with the rotor, RaRa and stans weighed ~1650. I imagine the difference in rear wheels is about the same. Nice.
    Looking forward to the weigh in; sounds like around 3+ pounds of lose.

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    I'm in the trailhead parking lot now, speechless with a perma-grin! This bike just got super fast. I knew the wheels were going to improve the ride, but this thing's a rocket. I get the rigid SS thing now. Badass.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Possum Jones View Post
    I'm in the trailhead parking lot now, speechless with a perma-grin! This bike just got super fast. I knew the wheels were going to improve the ride, but this thing's a rocket. I get the rigid SS thing now. Badass.
    It is super fun. It is the only bike I want to ride now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Zakman View Post
    I finished working on my bike for the day. I shaved 890 grams off the fat girl for the cost of a roll of gorilla tape. (Which my wife thinks is too much money to have spent). Everything else I already owned. On top of the new tires and tubeless setup (which cut 760 grams) I put on a KMC 8.99 chain. Same number of links saved 109 grams. Eighteen tooth Chris King cog cut 17 grams and a different lock ring (needed one with longer threads after having had to used different spacers to account for the wider base cog) cut 4 grams. The spacers were a wash.
    How did the tubeless setup go? Any tips? I noticed the stock rims are very tight with most tires.

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    Hi everyone, first post!

    I am about to pull the trigger on one of these, and I was just curious what size to get. I'm 6'5" and I'm guessing around a 35" inseam. I'm guessing I should probably just go with the XL? Better to be too big than too small right?

    Thanks for any suggestions,
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    Quote Originally Posted by Danner182 View Post
    Hi everyone, first post!

    I am about to pull the trigger on one of these, and I was just curious what size to get. I'm 6'5" and I'm guessing around a 35" inseam. I'm guessing I should probably just go with the XL? Better to be too big than too small right?

    Thanks for any suggestions,
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    I am 6'1 and 3/4 and the large fits me perfect. If you have a friend who can help, I believe the competitive cyclist website has a fit calculator. At 6'5 I think you would be XL maybe even boardering on XXL if they have one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    How did the tubeless setup go? Any tips? I noticed the stock rims are very tight with most tires.
    Tubeless set up was a breeze once I got the stock tires off. They really didn't want to budge. At first I used two layers of gorilla tape but that made it too tight. Pulled one layer off and and no problems from there. Tires inflated with just a top peak joe blow sport floor pump and I wasn't even pumping fast. They inflated so easily that I felt like I could have used a mini pump and it would have worked. The bead popped into place no problem the first time. I brought the bike to work the next day so I could stop for a ride on the way home. When I was putting the bike on my roof rack I realized I put the tires on backwards. I took the tires off and carefully flipped them around so as not to spill much sealant. They re-inflated and snapped into place just as easily, this time without the help of soap and water.

    Just follow the Stan's instructions and it should be easy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danner182 View Post
    Hi everyone, first post!

    I am about to pull the trigger on one of these, and I was just curious what size to get. I'm 6'5" and I'm guessing around a 35" inseam. I'm guessing I should probably just go with the XL? Better to be too big than too small right?

    Thanks for any suggestions,
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    as zakman said, use the competitive cyclist fit calculator, its been spot on for me...6'5" seems like you may want the XXL size, but i have no idea

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    Hmmm. Yeah it seems like the XL-T may be in my best interest. I just dont want to have a lot of standover. I'm currently running a 21" Top Tube Specialized and it feels pretty good. Ive always needed at least 21" since I was bmx riding as a teenager. They size chart at Civilians webstie says the virtual top tube is 26" long on the XLT. I wonder how close it is to 21" from stem to seat post on the top tube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danner182 View Post
    Hmmm. Yeah it seems like the XL-T may be in my best interest. I just dont want to have a lot of standover. I'm currently running a 21" Top Tube Specialized and it feels pretty good. Ive always needed at least 21" since I was bmx riding as a teenager. They size chart at Civilians webstie says the virtual top tube is 26" long on the XLT. I wonder how close it is to 21" from stem to seat post on the top tube.
    You can use the archive on Specialized's website to compare the geometry of your current bike with the geometry of the Luddite. That's what I did before I ordered. The only problem with that is one is listed in inches and the other is metric so you have to do some conversion.

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    My XL Turk fits me @ 6'1 & 35" inseam. Check the fit calculator to be sure TT length is close enough for a small change in stem length to fit. Stand over w/ my XL is about 3.5"

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    I just measured my inseam. Its actually 37.5".....I grew up near power lines.

    Im chatting with someone at backcountry right now, and they are suggesting the XLT model. I guess I have no other choice lol.

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    it takes 5 minutes to measure and fill out the CC calculator, and if you have an account you can save it for future reference (gives road and mtn bike sizing)...id give it a shot before pulling the trigger, not to say it will change your purchase, but should give peace of mind

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    I think at 37.5" inseam I would be too big for XL. I may even be pushing too big for the XLT. I think they built the XLT for a chewbacca size being like myself. I think it will be fine.

    I just pulled the trigger btw.

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    Received My XLT luddite today, I'm 6'6" 270lbs. Immediately went to the local trail head and did a ride around the lake. It was a blast. The bike rode great, but when i got back the chain had gotten some slack in it so i adjusted it back taught, Went again after my friend got off work and when we got back the sliders had slipped forward again. Any tips on getting it to hold? I set the tension bolt after setting the sliders after the first ride. i was thinking about sanding the paint off, or should i just wait and see if it stops after a few rides?

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    Not exactly what I want to hear. Is this why a lot of people do the vertical drop outs? It seems like other bikes have this same problem too. The damn 2 day free shipping was no longer available either.

    Oh well, I'm still psyched!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danner182 View Post
    Not exactly what I want to hear. Is this why a lot of people do the vertical drop outs? It seems like other bikes have this same problem too. The damn 2 day free shipping was no longer available either.

    Oh well, I'm still psyched!!
    Do theses slip for smaller guys, say in the 160 range?

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    I just weighed it out at the lbs. 23.61 as it sits now. It'll be under 23 with the carbon bars and new stim. I can live with that.
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    Went for my first real ride yesterday, first time on a ss or rigid so it's hard to have a good take...while I'm sold on ss, rigid will take some getting used too, or I'll throw a susp fork on it, I def see how it can make you a better rider physically/technique coming from 4 years of 140mm fs riding since the last time I even had a hardtail...that said, the geo is really nice, trail bike feel, fun to rail and great on flow, throwing on 70mm stem was a drastic improvement in handling, also swapped 2.35 nobby nice and xt hydros, all combined dropped about a pound, waiting on wheels/tubeless

    No issue with chain tension as above

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    haven't been doing much riding lately, but i finally got my bike where i want it to be. the 18T cog was just way too tall for the riding around here, so i swapped it out for a 22T surly cog yesterday. however, the stock chain was too short so i had to pick up another chain this morning (in case anyone else is thinking of going to a 22T). this gearing's much more reasonable when it comes to rocky technical stuff with lots of climbing, at least for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocktownrook View Post
    haven't been doing much riding lately, but i finally got my bike where i want it to be. the 18T cog was just way too tall for the riding around here, so i swapped it out for a 22T surly cog yesterday. however, the stock chain was too short so i had to pick up another chain this morning (in case anyone else is thinking of going to a 22T). this gearing's much more reasonable when it comes to rocky technical stuff with lots of climbing, at least for me.
    I'll need to go either 21t or 22t for our mountains and my current slightly out of shape condition. Do you think 21t would work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    I'll need to go either 21t or 22t for our mountains and my current slightly out of shape condition. Do you think 21t would work?
    i would think so. if i knew i'd need a longer chain for 22T, i probably would've just gone with a 21T cog. that said, i'm not 100% sure you'll have enough chain for 21T, but you might.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocktownrook View Post
    i would think so. if i knew i'd need a longer chain for 22T, i probably would've just gone with a 21T cog. that said, i'm not 100% sure you'll have enough chain for 21T, but you might.
    I have an extra chain that is lighter anyway. How's it climb with the 22t? Does the front wheel stay on the ground?

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    I just finished up my first ride at an imba certified trail on the SS. We don't have the long extended climbs here in Florida, but we do have plenty of short steep rocky tech. I PR'd or second bested all my times on strava today. I would say SS rigid is definitely fast
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    This will be my first 29er period, let alone Ss rigid. My current rig is a FS geared 26". Is it a bear to crank up hills on a SS? I left my bike in one gear today, and it was rough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danner182 View Post
    This will be my first 29er period, let alone Ss rigid. My current rig is a FS geared 26". Is it a bear to crank up hills on a SS? I left my bike in one gear today, and it was rough.
    It depends on the gear; but SS can be harder. On the plus side, you'll be an animal after a while. What gear were you in?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SS Hack View Post
    I have an extra chain that is lighter anyway. How's it climb with the 22t? Does the front wheel stay on the ground?
    just got back from my first real ride. the bike climbs very well with the 22T cog. only a few short steep pitches on this ride, but the front end never really felt like it wanted to lift.

    but as well as the big cog works for climbing, i still wished i had lower gearing in rocky sections. i suppose i'll figure out what i'm doing and get stronger eventually, but there's definitely a bit of a learning curve when it comes to riding that stuff. that, and remembering to stay well back since there's no give up front.

    but riding a rigid bike in technical stuff seems to be simultaneously more difficult in the sense that it takes more concentration, but more secure in that you can count on where your wheel's gonna be when you decide to put it somewhere.

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    I have a hardtail geared 26, not Full suspension. I was in 3 and 4 i believe.

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    longer ride this morning...this bike's a blast to ride. a few climbs defeated me, but it's surprising what you can pull when you don't have a choice. over the course of a couple hours i could feel myself getting much better at choosing lines through rocky sections, and it really made me conscious of how little i pay attention to line selection on my el mar (w/reba fork).

    surprisingly, i found i can run my front tire at lower pressure (23-24 psi; x-king 2.2 tubeless) on this bike than i could on the el mar (where i ran the same tire closer to 30 up front). i suppose it's not that surprising, though, when you think about how much more you pay attention to line selection and what you're rolling over. rear pressure was about the same as usual.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rocktownrook View Post
    longer ride this morning...this bike's a blast to ride. a few climbs defeated me, but it's surprising what you can pull when you don't have a choice. over the course of a couple hours i could feel myself getting much better at choosing lines through rocky sections, and it really made me conscious of how little i pay attention to line selection on my el mar (w/reba fork).

    surprisingly, i found i can run my front tire at lower pressure (23-24 psi; x-king 2.2 tubeless) on this bike than i could on the el mar (where i ran the same tire closer to 30 up front). i suppose it's not that surprising, though, when you think about how much more you pay attention to line selection and what you're rolling over. rear pressure was about the same as usual.
    No shame in walking every now and again on a SS; it is expected even in races. Low pressure is your friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danner182 View Post
    I have a hardtail geared 26, not Full suspension. I was in 3 and 4 i believe.
    Figure out the gear inches and then translate to the 29er.

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    I forgot the bike doesnt come with pedals. I have some light weight platform choices narrowed down. On a white bike, would white pedals work, or just stick with black? I know silly question, but Im just curious what most people use on white bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Danner182 View Post
    I forgot the bike doesnt come with pedals. I have some light weight platform choices narrowed down. On a white bike, would white pedals work, or just stick with black? I know silly question, but Im just curious what most people use on white bikes.
    They don't make a white version anyway - so black.

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    The bike im buying is a white/green haze called marlite. It kinda looks white, maybe im just color blind.

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    Civilian Luddite? It comes in mojito, its a mint green

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