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    36" versus 29" ??


    I will be riding the two bikes alternately during 24 in the Old Pueblo as a test for my self.

    So far I am happy with the ride of the so called 36"

    Tires are really 35.710" X 2.246"
    Or 35.86"X2.27"


    With wheels this big, soft sand rides notably easy. Otherwise no words do justice to describe the ride. Big smiles from test riders gives some of the concept.
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    Looks wild and I'm sure it'll be great fun.
    I'm sure there'll be loads of questions, but let me kick off... tell us more about that front brake mechanism.
    It also looks like the DUC would fit a 36er tire with enough spacers to reduce travel, although there might not be much travel left.

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    Yes, much more please! dang is that thing custom?

    i thought about using the same brake lever (that you have for the front) on my KM for both front and rear, but then i really thought and decided against it.

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    I looked at the DUC at ~1" travel and the narrow hub flange (for a 36") I then shifted dreams.
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    Oh, man, that looks like a ton of fun!

    I wonder if 1 huge DH brake would do the trick versus 2 BB7s?

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    Good job!

    Where ya get the Wheels/Tires?

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    Talk about riding "IN" that bike Freakin sweet!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Padre
    Oh, man, that looks like a ton of fun!

    I wonder if 1 huge DH brake would do the trick versus 2 BB7s?
    Ben is using 1 BB7 brake with good results.
    My 29 has 8" rotors so I went to the the more is better school of thought.
    I was thinking of 9 spokes (one flange worth) doing all the work.....

    The hubs consumed more time then all the rest of the building. So by the time I saw Ben's 36 I had the current set of hubs done.
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    This is the bike with the homemade hub, correct?

    I won't divulge anymore, but I think you might want to explain what it is we are all looking at there.
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    My mind is officially blown. That bike is awesome!

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    Quote Originally Posted by John Jencks
    Looks wild and I'm sure it'll be great fun.
    I'm sure there'll be loads of questions, but let me kick off... tell us more about that front brake mechanism.
    It also looks like the DUC would fit a 36er tire with enough spacers to reduce travel, although there might not be much travel left.
    The "über" wide spacing of the front hub, the hollow front axle as well as the tandem front dual brake all make a lot of sense from a technical point of view! The only dual crown fork that could be capable to fit this bike IMHO would be the "BIONICON Special Agent" (http://www.bionicon.com/standard.xml...0005ce4a1c20f6, http://www.bionicon.com/standard.xml...00008c65d666ee, http://content.mtbr.com/TRP_14_308_5crx.aspx) resp. "X-Fusion Delta8" (http://www.x-fusion-shox.com/delta_8_proTA.html, http://content.mtbr.com/TRP_14_322_2crx.aspx, http://www.ridemonkey.com/forums/sho...light=X-fusion) USD forks with 8" travel for use with 26" wheels resp. 3" travel with spacers for use with 36" wheels. I think that this forks could qualify for such a job because of their 43 mm pipes, their oversized 35 mm hub axle diameter with some sort of quick release as well as their proprietary handlebar mounts which allows for a negative rise. The hub flange distance would just to get even wider.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    This is the bike with the homemade hub, correct?

    I won't divulge anymore, but I think you might want to explain what it is we are all looking at there.
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    If I omit it is out of ignorance, feel free to help me out.

    The Rear hub was turned on center and then cut into two parts. A over tube was made to be a press and bounded fit. A new axel was made as well 185 mm locknut to locknut. The front hub was done the same way from two 20 mm through axel hubs, now one 24.8 mm through axel. Spoke angles from the flange to the center line match 26" front w/o disk.
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    I looked at the DUC at ~1" travel and the narrow hub flange (for a 36") I then shifted dreams.
    The sweet front axle mount looks like in unicycles.


    What is the outer diameter of the hollow front axle?

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    Ride shots? Can't wait...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Keener
    Ted
    If I omit it is out of ignorance, feel free to help me out.

    The Rear hub was turned on center and then cut into two parts. A over tube was made to be a press and bounded fit. A new axel was made as well 185 mm locknut to locknut. The front hub was done the same way from two 20 mm through axel hubs, now one 24.8 mm through axel. Spoke angles from the flange to the center line match 26" front w/o disk.
    Yeah, I knew this, but it wasn't my place to say, ya know what I mean.

    Thanks for sharing. The bike is awesome.

    I'll be interested in your take on it after the race.
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    That's incredible.

    The product looks great, nice job creating a beautiful prototype.

    The 36er thing really gets me excited, please post ride pics soon.

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    Wow.

    Ok. This is just too cool. I see you've got the hand grooved slicks, probably airstream rims rather than the new Nimbus stuff.

    185mm spacing front & rear! I like your logic of "same spoke angle as 26". I was thinking 150mm for the rear, but front would still have to be custom width - might as well go whole hog and custom both.

    Spokes?? How long, what gage/material and where from??

    Who made the frame/fork? Sweet color!

    Can't wait for the ride report - and I'll tell some buds who are riding Old Pueblo to be on the lookout. Thanks for sharin'!!
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    I think I'll hold out for 42".
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    Thank you for taking my dream, and taking it to another level, and bringing it into reality.
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    And a question.

    Does the rear triangle length together with wheel size affect the setup of your Thudbuster? Or are both posts set up the same? And yes, I did notice the bumpers having different colors.

    Other question.
    I notice bar height is about the same between bikes. Did you get that suspension fork to reacht he desired bar height, or did it end up there when you put it in the preferred position.

    Last question, for the rest of you. When are you having the tandem version made? You know you want it... Size XXL+XL or something. Should be fun on some of the faster endurance races without all too many tight switchbacks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloxxki
    Last question, for the rest of you. When are you having the tandem version made? You know you want it... Size XXL+XL or something. Should be fun on some of the faster endurance races without all too many tight switchbacks.
    Jan.....are you ok? Are you serious about that?

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    Very cool!

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    Awww man...

    I so wanted to be the endurance 36" wheel test dummy.....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Padre
    Jan.....are you ok? Are you serious about that?
    Small wheeled tandems are so gay looking. Gay in a bad way. I like baby blue or pink 29"ers. A tandem must be BIG. And who'd complain about long chainstays or slow handling?

    I bet a tandem would get more out of the BIG wheels than a single, on rough surface.
    And imagine the speeds possible on flat or gentle downhill gravel trails...
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    Just as I am becoming more comfortable with the 29er concept, I stumble over this gem. How much does that 36er monster weigh? What is the logic behind having the front brakes mounted on opposite sides of the fork?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloxxki
    And a question.

    Does the rear triangle length together with wheel size affect the setup of your Thudbuster? Or are both posts set up the same? And yes, I did notice the bumpers having different colors.

    Other question.
    I notice bar height is about the same between bikes. Did you get that suspension fork to reacht he desired bar height, or did it end up there when you put it in the preferred position.

    Last question, for the rest of you. When are you having the tandem version made? You know you want it... Size XXL+XL or something. Should be fun on some of the faster endurance races without all too many tight switchbacks.
    The rig has a more up right seat post angle and a older thud that is just stiffer. The 36 has a effective seat post angle of 73 deg, but the post is more laid back to get there.
    So I need a stiffer rubber to have the same feel.

    I bought the DUC fork for a bike as yet unbuilt. It resides on the Rig as it would bolt up. And as it turns out about were I would wish it to be.
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    Any chance I could give her a small test ride down in OP?

    I'll have whiskey and not afraid to share...

    I'll be down there doing it fixie duo

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    Quote Originally Posted by wadester
    Ok. This is just too cool. I see you've got the hand grooved slicks, probably airstream rims rather than the new Nimbus stuff.

    185mm spacing front & rear! I like your logic of "same spoke angle as 26". I was thinking 150mm for the rear, but front would still have to be custom width - might as well go whole hog and custom both.

    Spokes?? How long, what gage/material and where from??

    Who made the frame/fork? Sweet color!

    Can't wait for the ride report - and I'll tell some buds who are riding Old Pueblo to be on the lookout. Thanks for sharin'!!
    Spokes are 14 gauge SS 367.52 mm front 367.4 rear and little hard to get.
    I am stoked about the new nimbus product! It would be a easy weight loss. Hard to say how much weight will be lost until one is cut. The TA tire is losing a pound from about 5 with my cutting.
    The frame fork were built by my self.
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    Quote Originally Posted by serious
    What is the logic behind having the front brakes mounted on opposite sides of the fork?

    Well, I imagine it is because the brake calipers do not come in a right and a left, only a left, thus the reversal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlowerThenSnot
    Any chance I could give her a small test ride down in OP?

    I'll have whiskey and not afraid to share...

    I'll be down there doing it fixie duo

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    If you can find the Dos Keeners camp you are welcome to take as spin. Whiskey is not needed. My son and I are riding duo single speed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by teamdicky
    Awww man...

    I so wanted to be the endurance 36" wheel test dummy.....
    I am in it for the fun. As this will be my first 24 hour race. I would probably just ride the 36 as it is the new toy and comfy. But then my slowness would be attributed to the 36. I know from test laps that I am just not that fast 26,29 or 36 lap after lap. I thought it would be better to keep the nay sayers at bay by riding the two bikes.
    You might have what it takes be a better test dummy. I would even teach you how to put a 26" tube in a 36" after that you are on your own.
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    Wow . . . that front hub is simply amazing. Like the fork/TA design as well.

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    mtroy: Well, I imagine it is because the brake calipers do not come in a right and a left, only a left, thus the reversal.

    Thanks mtroy, I forgot about that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Keener
    Spokes are 14 gauge SS 367.52 mm front 367.4 rear and little hard to get.
    I am stoked about the new nimbus product! It would be a easy weight loss. Hard to say how much weight will be lost until one is cut. The TA tire is losing a pound from about 5 with my cutting.
    You'll have to give details on how you got the spokes to those precise lengths. Got a Phil spoke machine?

    I find unicycle.com now stocking
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    And Spokes! SS 14g, but only in 375mm length.
    http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=905
    This isn't a "you're doing it wrong" topic.

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    I'm starting to lust for a 369er: 36" front and 29" rear? To me, it makes more sense that a 96er.

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    369er?? nah, im waiting on 29/24 DH rig.
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    Aren't we crazy boys (and girls)?

    We lusted for 29" wheels when we still had 26" wheels, but lamented the lack of parts, tires, frames, forks.

    Now we have another wheel size and the lust rises again, and we have no production stuff to choose from. Seems we always want what we can't get.

    Where can I get one!?!?!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 29erchico
    I'm starting to lust for a 369er: 36" front and 29" rear? To me, it makes more sense that a 96er.
    It will ride better and fit better with the bigger one out back, if you must have one small and on big.

    I MUST read more about how a bike like Keener's handles. Is the weight a deal breaker? The size? Where does it exell over 29", and where is it a pain?
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    I want one. Or at the very least I just want to ride one.
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    Does it come with turn signals? I imagine it must be far more cumbersome to turn than a 29er, significantly more so than a 26" bike...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Berkley
    Does it come with turn signals? I imagine it must be far more cumbersome to turn than a 29er, significantly more so than a 26" bike...
    No, not really. Not at all.

    We had Ben Witt's 36"er at the Big Wheeled Ballyhoo last June. It was free to be ridden by anyone that wanted to. We had folks from junior high age to early seventies riding it. Men and women. Folks from about 5'3" to well over six foot. No one said anything about it being hard to steer.

    In fact, Ben's bike is rather easily steered and it is very, very stable. I can't vouch for the 36"er in this thread, but I imagine it's not as hard to steer as you might think.
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    Quote Originally Posted by wadester
    You'll have to give details on how you got the spokes to those precise lengths. Got a Phil spoke machine?

    I find unicycle.com now stocking
    rims
    http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/sho...ms&L3=Commuter
    tires
    http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/sho...s+%2D+Commuter
    And Spokes! SS 14g, but only in 375mm length.
    http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/shopexd.asp?id=905
    Spokes were cut on a Phil wood machine , the length was set up using the 40” caliper in the wheel shots.
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    Looking at these pics, my bike suddenly makes me feel like I'm a nerd in high school gym class having to shower with the jocks.

    She's a bute, dude! Hope to see it in production!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    No, not really. Not at all.

    We had Ben Witt's 36"er at the Big Wheeled Ballyhoo last June. It was free to be ridden by anyone that wanted to. We had folks from junior high age to early seventies riding it. Men and women. Folks from about 5'3" to well over six foot. No one said anything about it being hard to steer.

    In fact, Ben's bike is rather easily steered and it is very, very stable. I can't vouch for the 36"er in this thread, but I imagine it's not as hard to steer as you might think.
    My experience is that the geometry and CG has a bigger effect on handling then the wheel size.
    I have built “bikes” with wheels as small as 14”. Some or more were down right nasty to ride. We also got them ride "right" as well..
    We all have rode a 29 or some bike that was “telepathic” and others that would wake you up, or spank you badly to outside of the turn. I feel that the this 36 rides as good as the best I have done.
    That said the bike is a porker. Frame is known as the lucky 8. As in 8 pounds. Wheels sit at 10 pounds a end. Current build with 26” tubes dingle speed uada uada. 41 pounds! Not to many bikes to compare that to.

    The new Nimbus would ~ 3 to 4 off if I remember what I was told. More with tubeless and grooving if you had the heart for it.

    Ben’s worked out the way to do this and make it light. He is using 29 tube sets with long drop outs. There is a lot of info in those threads about his bikes.

    Cloxxki has dreams of tandems with 36” wheels. We all have dreams, I have made a some of mine. I even thought of a 36 tandem big dummy extracycle stoke monkey.
    I am that sick. Or that well.
    Before even seeing that Ben got some 36’’ on the dirt.
    All you people out there got dreams. Get to doing it, make our change happen.
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    You're doing very well Bryan!
    Would you accept orders on another of those framesets?

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    Ben mentioned experiencing some spoke wind up under braking, is that an issue with your set up as well? And what about foot/pedal overlap? Those hubs are niiice, keep up the good work

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    Quote Originally Posted by BjarneH
    Ben mentioned experiencing some spoke wind up under braking, is that an issue with your set up as well? And what about foot/pedal overlap? Those hubs are niiice, keep up the good work
    I don't mean to speak for Ben, but his main concern was rim strength. As in if the bike was put under hard braking stress, the spokes may pull through the rim. The new Nimbus rim looks to be of a higher quality, featuring machined brake tracks and most importantly, spoke hole eyelets. It is also lighter than the previous rims he was using.

    Ben feels strongly that a sub 30lb single speed is quite possible with the new tires and rims available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    Ben feels strongly that a sub 30lb single speed is quite possible with the new tires and rims available.
    wow, count me in!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
    I don't mean to speak for Ben, but his main concern was rim strength. As in if the bike was put under hard braking stress, the spokes may pull through the rim. The new Nimbus rim looks to be of a higher quality, featuring machined brake tracks and most importantly, spoke hole eyelets. It is also lighter than the previous rims he was using.

    Ben feels strongly that a sub 30lb single speed is quite possible with the new tires and rims available.
    I'm telling you the key would be a high flange 36 hole I9/Nimbus wheelset. If I had strings to pull I'd be pulling them.

    Of course they'd be pink.
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    Quote Originally Posted by teamdicky
    I'm telling you the key would be a high flange 36 hole I9/Nimbus wheelset. If I had strings to pull I'd be pulling them.

    Of course they'd be pink.
    High flanges lose most of their debated advantage as a bigger rim is used. The wider spaced flanges like on Keener's bike will do more than fine. The I9 spokes though...bring them on!

    One day we'll have 500g carbon 36" rims. 700g 2.3" tires. Carbon hardtail frames at 1800g (under four pounds), forks under 900g. Who knows, a <10kg 36"er? I bet it will ride like a lorry, and get stuck in freeway exits, right? :-)
    But by then we'll know, that the weight doesn't make the bike, the wheels do.

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    Wow Keener, you really plan to do a 24 hour race with a 41 lbs single speed bike?

    Please tell me you are not doing it solo, so that I can still think of myself as a man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloxxki
    High flanges lose most of their debated advantage as a bigger rim is used. The wider spaced flanges like on Keener's bike will do more than fine. The I9 spokes though...bring them on!
    I was just thinking they'd look cool (high flanges=more pink surface area).
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    Nice ride pic here (ain't got time to save it/post & don't wanna use up someone's interweb tokens):
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    Quote Originally Posted by teamdicky
    I was just thinking they'd look cool (high flanges=more pink surface area).

    Maybe some "Star" hubs like on the specialized road bikes in pink........
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    Just happened to check out the new coker 36er uni:

    http://www.cokercycles.com/v2.htm

    Note in lower left - "Coming Soon Coker Muni Tire" This would give 4 36er tire choices, one of which should be a true trail tire. Maybe it'll be in production by the time I can afford a frame and some wheels.
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    I had time to snag the photo from Sue Haywood's blog (http://susanhaywood.blogspot.com).
    How she described what she saw:

    "An old schooler welded his own "new school" 36 inch wheel bike."

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    Bryan, How'd it do on that course?

    There were many laps through the night where I actually wished for a larger wheel, or a suspension fork, especially through the new his/her trail. While I never saw you out there riding it, I gotta know how it worked, especially in the muck and wet stuff.

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    It looks like fun and the ability to make something like that on your own is awesome. Commercially… I don’t think it will ever takeoff and go mainstream. 29ers are just starting to catch on and with that it’s still a small niche market compared with a 26inch bike.

    You also have to take into account portability… Yes it’s a bike and you ride it. But most people need to drive with the bike attach to a rack of some kind and that could be a problem. Also people are vain to a point or fault however you see it and I see 29ers as the limit most will be willing to accept.

    I believe we already have more wheel choices then ever before. 26, 29, 650b, 27.5 & bikes like 96ers so I feel most people will just say enough is enough. You will sell some that’s for sure… However it will never be more then a small percent of the market. I’m sure I’ll never see one on the trail.

    I hope no one get offended to my post… it’s just my opinion. Looks cool though and I wish all involved the best.


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    the toe overlap on that thing looks disgusting...

    looks cool though =P
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    New question here.

    I am interested whether it is faster than comparable 29er? let's say some laps? Climbing descending tight switch back

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    Quote Originally Posted by Davidcopperfield
    I am interested whether it is faster than comparable 29er? let's say some laps? Climbing descending tight switch back
    Some riders are faster than other, regardless of wheel size. Bikes are not fast by themselves.
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    Well, among unicyclists, I think the 36"er is considered a "Race" wheel.

    The 36"er chases down smallerwheelers, and then runs them over.

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    It is still way more fun than anything else.

    Whether it becomes a viable off road choice or not, a 36"er is still by far the most grin inducing machine known to man. I had a friend try Ben's 36"er just this past Friday. He was prepared to tell me I was off my rocker, and after his test ride, he had a poker face on which led me to believe initially that he was non-plussed. However; after taking leave of Ben and back on the road, he freely admitted he had a goofy grin going after two pedal strokes.

    My take is that the 36"er will be an excellent commuter choice, (It erases curbs and potholes, even fully rigid) and it will find a place on fire roads, gravel roads, and back country roads all across the U.S. Whether or not it is good at single track is not at issue, at least not in my mind. 29"ers are still going to be my choice there.

    No, it is simply the fun factor, which is waaay off the charts, that makes me want one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Guitar Ted
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    so what did the hubs widths come out to?

    such a great bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloxxki
    High flanges lose most of their debated advantage as a bigger rim is used. The wider spaced flanges like on Keener's bike will do more than fine. The I9 spokes though...bring them on!

    One day we'll have 500g carbon 36" rims. 700g 2.3" tires. Carbon hardtail frames at 1800g (under four pounds), forks under 900g. Who knows, a <10kg 36"er? I bet it will ride like a lorry, and get stuck in freeway exits, right? :-)
    But by then we'll know, that the weight doesn't make the bike, the wheels do.

    I now wish I were a bike thief, and living near Keener...

    yeah, carbon rims would be perfect for that bike.
    oooo, the future!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcd
    yeah, carbon rims would be perfect for that bike.
    oooo, the future!
    Could an alu 36" rim be used as a mold for a carbon(-like) one, somehow?
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    if you know what you're doing, you could use an aluminum rim as the plug, and build a mold around it. Then use that for laying up the carbon version.

    Pretty straightforward process, until you get into the details.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloxxki
    Well, among unicyclists, I think the 36"er is considered a "Race" wheel.

    The 36"er chases down smallerwheelers, and then runs them over.

    bigger wheel on unicycles = more speed (obviously), and several 24 and hour records have been set on 36ers. some people do such events on 42 or 45 inches, but then it gets tough to ride due to the height of the thing for most folks at least. 36 is the largest non-custom unicycle you can get your hands on. they're fun as hell, and i'd love to try a bicycle with such huge wheels. the next big thing in unicycles will the internally geared ups that don't cost an arm and a leg, or that are sturdy enough to hold up to off roading. Schulmph currently makes one that works pretty well, but would fail hilariously off road, and provides a 1 to1 or 1.5 to 1 gear ratio. effectively making a 36er into a 54er.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloxxki
    Could an alu 36" rim be used as a mold for a carbon(-like) one, somehow?
    yeah it would help, you would have to grind off the bead area and make it after the rim construction, unless you have a very elaborate mold.

    not anything i will get into till tires come around probably.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockcrusher
    Bryan, How'd it do on that course?

    There were many laps through the night where I actually wished for a larger wheel, or a suspension fork, especially through the new his/her trail. While I never saw you out there riding it, I gotta know how it worked, especially in the muck and wet stuff.

    Inquiring minds want to know!
    I had a good time at the 24 hour. I did two laps on each bike starting with the 29.
    Time for my first lap with the 29 was 1:32, Time for the 36 was 1:42. The next two laps have erroneous times. That said, I felt slow on the second lap, just had no spin in my legs. I think that my last lap on the 36” was fast but I have no data to show for it.
    The bigger wheel did fine on that course although I it would be deceiving to say I did not wish for lighter wheels on the ascents.


    The muck did not seem to effect the 36 as much as the 29 , but that is hard to tell as the “river” is never the same twice.
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    Meh.

    I think we're all waiting for a novelette here.
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    Quote Originally Posted by teamdicky
    Meh.

    I think we're all waiting for a novelette here.
    Give with some goods.
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    Gawd..I love this place!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mallanaga
    the toe overlap on that thing looks disgusting...

    looks cool though =P
    There is no shoe over lap (as long as your feet are ~ 12" size 43)
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    Quote Originally Posted by teamdicky
    Meh.

    I think we're all waiting for a novelette here.
    Give with some goods.
    Make something up.
    The novelette will have to wait for now. I am in deep fab mode eating and reading comments before going back out to the shop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cloxxki
    Well, among unicyclists, I think the 36"er is considered a "Race" wheel.

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    I don't know if we call it a Race Wheel. It is the fastesr wheel with 150, 125mm or shorter cranks

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    A buddy of mine rides a 36er unicycle... I don't even see how he gets on the darn thing.
    I'd like to take the 36er bike out for a spin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Padre
    Oh, man, that looks like a ton of fun!

    I wonder if 1 huge DH brake would do the trick versus 2 BB7s?
    That would lead to lots-o-fork-twist. Two separate brakes solve that issue.
    It's only weird because it's not normal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by markf
    Schulmph currently makes one that works pretty well, but would fail hilariously off road

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    You gotta love this warning:)

    Warning

    Using a geared hub poses the risk of severe injury or death, due to factors including but not limited to high speeds, falls, longer stopping distances, equipment failure, and incorrect hub installation.

    Always wear appropriate protective gear. Practice shifting at low speeds or dismount to shift if you are not comfortable shifting while riding.

    This hub has been tested on both roads and rough terrain with drops up to 1.5 m. However, due to variables such as rider weight, skill, riding style, and terrain conditions, it is not possible to warranty this hub as fit for a particular level of terrain difficulty or drop height. While intended for mountain unicycling, it is not appropriate for agressive freeriding (big drops) or trials.

    Use common sense and ride within your limits!

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    One pedal goes down
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    Oh gawd. A huckin' thirty-six! Hell musta just frowzen over...
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    I'm going to be starting a 36er with the new rims/tires, all the wheel stuff should be here first part of this week, but won't be able to start the frame/fork till i get some others done first. i will post pics of the progress on my site at www.stoiccycles.com. Jay

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    I did not need to see that.
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    Oh my. The water heater double at Fantasy Island. That is sketchy on a 29er IMO. At least if you case it you got that wheel size thing covered, should just roll over water heater I guess.

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    ... and if we just ... My 36" Racing UNICYLE!

    Hi all, I saw this thread and just had to post. Check out my videos I'm known as "UniGeezer" and I'm a 52 year old Mountain Unicyclist! I ride a Kris Holm 24" custom made Mountain Unicycle (known as MUni) and my 36er for long distance and speed riding. I've hit 17 mph on it!

    Here's some stuff with my 36er: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EfOlDP49mdc

    And a link to all my videos: http://www.youtube.com/profile_videos?user=ttt8699

    Check out the one titled: UniGeezer: Two year compilation. From age 50-52. I jump (and clear) an 8 stair set at the end!
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    Quote Originally Posted by unigeezer
    Check out the one titled: UniGeezer: Two year compilation. From age 50-52. I jump (and clear) an 8 stair set at the end!

    do you know a bikerfox?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bcd
    do you know a bikerfox?
    Haven't heard that name. Who is he/she? I ride hardcore trails in Simi valley (Devil's slide, G-spot, hummingbird) lots of trails in Santa Barbara, like Saddle rock, Moab, Iron Mountain in Poway, Aliso woods near Laguna, Sullivan canyon quite often for nice, easy fun riding. I've met hundreds of mtb-ers but that name doesn't ring a bell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unigeezer
    Haven't heard that name. Who is he/she? I ride hardcore trails in Simi valley (Devil's slide, G-spot, hummingbird) lots of trails in Santa Barbara, like Saddle rock, Moab, Iron Mountain in Poway, Aliso woods near Laguna, Sullivan canyon quite often for nice, easy fun riding. I've met hundreds of mtb-ers but that name doesn't ring a bell.

    pay no attention to the crafty carbon fiber downhill racer behind the curtain. He means only good. Welcome to 29er land where, obviously, we also let the freaks come in and play whenever they like.

    While we are tolerant of little wheels we love to see big wheels. Post some 36er mountain-uni trails picts for us.

    Oh google bikerfox. Be forewarned. It aint pretty.
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    Can you pedal through a complete stroke while turning, or will your foot hit the front tire?
    Somehow, the term "nimble" does not come to mind.

    As far as the possibility that we'll ever see a 36" bike with 27-speeds and suspension, I believe this is the point where geometric/physical ergonomic limitations and market forces meet the brick wall head on.

    Then again, it's probably the perfect bike for 6'-8"+ NBA players to ride off-season on the meandering Indica Trail through the Northern California Redwoods...

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockcrusher
    pay no attention to the craft carbon fiber downhill racer behind the curtain. He means only good. Welcome to 29er land where, obviously, we also let the freaks come in and play when ever they like.

    While we are tolerant of little wheels we love to see big wheels. Post some 36er mountain-uni trails picts for us.

    Oh google image search bikerfox. Be forewarned. It aint pretty.
    Haha, you gotta lose that "training wheel" man, and find out what HARDCORE and EXTREME really mean, lol! For me, Mountain Unicycling is the greatest workout and total CORE exercise.

    Unlike those two wheeled things, it has no gears to help you climb, no handle bars to rest on, no COASTING downhill...I'm pedaling every inch of the way up, down, off 7 foot drops, etc. Awesome all the way!

    PS: Forget pics, see my videos for the real deal! here's another: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjGS7qyYLZY
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    Quote Originally Posted by tgorle
    Can you pedal through a complete stroke while turning, or will your foot hit the front tire?
    Somehow, the term "nimble" does not come to mind.

    As far as the possibility that we'll ever see a 36" bike with 27-speeds and suspension, I believe this is the point where geometric/physical ergonomic limitations and market forces meet the brick wall head on.

    Then again, it's probably the perfect bike for 6'-8"+ NBA players to ride off-season on the meandering Indica Trail through the Northern California Redwoods...
    Nonsense, damn practicality! If there is enough demand there will always be a supply! Give it a few years and enough whining and it'll be done.
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    help!!!!!!!!!

    someone pls post pics of this thing again. no pic on my end. I feel like the kid who is to short to reach the bottom rung of the ladder to get up into the tree house.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bcd
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    well done my friend
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    I fail to see the relevance of unigeezer's age?
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    Awesome
    Unigeezer and Keener add one more wheel show us both the videos referring to 36er MTB bikes. There is no time to lose

    Please post your videos in a relevant thread
    29er Videos only thread- no photos! 29er videos only.
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    Here is a new build, looks quite fun and BIG.
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    Quote Originally Posted by baycat
    Here is a new build, looks quite fun and BIG.
    You just GOTTA share more details.

    And I'm not going to say "please", Mister!
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    Got a nice 29er built up by Stoic Cycles, and he is trying out a 36er.

    Documented with pics on his site. http://stoiccycles.com/currentframes.html

    My bike is the set of pics below

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