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    29er handlebar width ???

    What is the common 29er handlebar width ???
    Does it difference than 26er handlebar width ??? Why ?

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    I think ultimately it's dependent on the rider's preference. My Stumpjumper came with 27" bars, which ultimately I thought was far too wide, and I like wide bars. I hope I didn't cut too much off, needless to say they are now 24.5". I think I should have started at 1/2" off each side of the bar. Good Luck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by edle View Post
    What is the common 29er handlebar width ???
    Does it difference than 26er handlebar width ??? Why ?
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    Take your 26er bar width and multiply it by 1.115 to get your 29er bar width

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    A taller tire gives the trail more leverage on the rider. The 29in spinning tire also has more rotational inertia due both to the additional weight and the larger diameter. All of this argues for a giving the rider a longer lever to control it all. Of course the rider ergonomic interest trumps all of this, but provided the bike "fits", people seem to prefer wider bars on bigger wheels.

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    To a degree wider = more control and narrower = more clearance on narrower trails.
    Larger tires benefit from a little more leverage which is why 29ers usually come with wider bars.
    My 26" mtn bike has 24" bars
    my 29" mtn bike has 27" bars

    I have never really had an issue with the 27" bars being too wide on my 29er and ride some fairly tight single track here in Western NC (Asheville area). That being said, I would get the widest bar you are comfortable with but it ultimately comes down to rider preference. If clearance on the trails is an issue then get narrower bars but going less then your shoulder width is usually pretty pointless.

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    It really depends on preference & comfort. Mine are 25" wide right now and they're almost a bit too wide. I ride a lot of really really tight singletrack, and my bars barely fit through the trees

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    Quote Originally Posted by Metamorphic View Post
    A taller tire gives the trail more leverage on the rider. The 29in spinning tire also has more rotational inertia due both to the additional weight and the larger diameter. All of this argues for a giving the rider a longer lever to control it all. Of course the rider ergonomic interest trumps all of this, but provided the bike "fits", people seem to prefer wider bars on bigger wheels.
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    Also stem length can be indirectly proportional to bar width.
    Wider bars usually work better with shorter stems and longer stems and narrower bars. Generally!
    But fit and trail conditions and the type of riding should be taken into consideration also.
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    My RM Altitude 970 came with 685 mm bars and a 90 mm stem, I replaced them with 725 mm bars and 50 mm stem to match more of my 26er AM. I comes down to what type of riding you are doing. XC is usually narrower bars with a longer stem and AM is usually the opposite.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sand wedge View Post
    My RM Altitude 970 came with 685 mm bars and a 90 mm stem, I replaced them with 725 mm bars and 50 mm stem to match more of my 26er AM. I comes down to what type of riding you are doing. XC is usually narrower bars with a longer stem and AM is usually the opposite.
    Yeah, well my 725 came with 552 and 223 but I swapped it out for a 677 and 221.

    Seriously, I get what you are saying but I am guessing you just spoke a foreign language to the OP. lol

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    He's absolutely right and that works out to.......29" wide
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    Take your 26er bar width and multiply it by 1.115 to get your 29er bar width
    Seriously, handlebar width is not wheel size specific, it's a combination of rider preference, stem length, tyre size/width, terrain, intended usage. I prefer a wider bar since I prefer to ride chunky terrain and it gives more leverage, hence control for me in this sort of stuff.
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    if you're in the market for a new handlebar, buy something wider than what you need. cut a little off the ends if you think it's too wide until you find the sweet spot. I feel at home on 685/710mm bars (that's about 27-28 inches).

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    Ive gone thru about 5 sets of bars on my 29er.

    I generally tend to like risers but have also tried flats bars as well. Couple sets of alt. bars too. They kept get wider and wider and the tree's were getting closer and closer. I always seemed to return to one set that always feel just right.

    Plus it's fun trying out different handlebars from time to time once your whip is built and you really have no need to throw money at it.
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    no difference from 26 for me

    i use a 720 riser for rougher trails. The wider bars = more stability.
    If i want to go flat out on tight single track i use a 680 flat bar. Less stability but can dart through tight spaces. It also makes the bike more twitchy, or quicker handling. Same as i ever did on the 26. If anything, i would hypothesize that you might be able to get away with a narrowrer bar easier on a 29 than a 26 due to the increased stability that the 29er wheels offer. But in practice, for me, no diff whatsoever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 911Holy$ View Post
    no difference from 26 for me

    i use a 720 riser for rougher trails. The wider bars = more stability.
    If i want to go flat out on tight single track i use a 680 flat bar. Less stability but can dart through tight spaces. It also makes the bike more twitchy, or quicker handling. Same as i ever did on the 26. If anything, i would hypothesize that you might be able to get away with a narrowrer bar easier on a 29 than a 26 due to the increased stability that the 29er wheels offer. But in practice, for me, no diff whatsoever.

    Same here, I prefer wide on the 26, no different for me on the 29er. I'm at 725mm wide I think...
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    Read once that wider bars help to keep the rider's arms spread out away from the sides of the chest so the lungs can expand better getting more room to breath O2.Seems to make sense if your a rider that might have this problem..

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    Wider bars achieve very little difference in opening your lung capacity if your arms are still in the straight position. Hold your arms straight out with your hands 24" apart. Now move the hands 27" apart and you will see very little difference in your chest.

    Now push your elbows out and see your chest expand. You can achieve the same results with your hands 24" apart or 27" apart.

    So unless you are comparing a 12" bar to a 48" bar I would say this is just one of those many myths of why something is better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    To a degree wider = more control and narrower = more clearance on narrower trails.
    Larger tires benefit from a little more leverage which is why 29ers usually come with wider bars.
    My 26" mtn bike has 24" bars
    my 29" mtn bike has 27" bars

    I have never really had an issue with the 27" bars being too wide on my 29er and ride some fairly tight single track here in Western NC (Asheville area). That being said, I would get the widest bar you are comfortable with but it ultimately comes down to rider preference. If clearance on the trails is an issue then get narrower bars but going less then your shoulder width is usually pretty pointless.
    Wow you must have some tight trails. I'm running a 745 and I run on the narrow side for this area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Yeah, well my 725 came with 552 and 223 but I swapped it out for a 677 and 221.

    Seriously, I get what you are saying but I am guessing you just spoke a foreign language to the OP. lol
    Stop being a jerk. The vast majority of bars out there are sold in mm, not inch specs.

    To the OP, 685-730mm is probably the most common range for bar widths these days. I prefer wide bars--710-780

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    Quote Originally Posted by thorkild View Post
    Stop being a jerk. The vast majority of bars out there are sold in mm, not inch specs.

    To the OP, 685-730mm is probably the most common range for bar widths these days. I prefer wide bars--710-780
    I was thinking to my self, oh great, just when I got used to mm, people switched back to inches lol.

    Anyhow, I prefer short bars but that just me...I get claustrophobic looking at the gaps between my bar ends and trees lol. So my 29er has 670 bars and my 26er run 660mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 50calray View Post
    I was thinking to my self, oh great, just when I got used to mm, people switched back to inches lol.

    Anyhow, I prefer short bars but that just me...I get claustrophobic looking at the gaps between my bar ends and trees lol. So my 29er has 670 bars and my 26er run 660mm.
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    I'm comfortable between 680 and 710 with a 12 to 17 degree sweep.
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    I originally started out with a set of 580mm flat bars and went up to a 660mm wide flat bar. And I will tell you it makes a big difference in the handling and control. Leverage is the key here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blcman View Post
    Just curious what length stems you running?
    100mm on the 26er (but just ordered a 90mm). I'm not sure about my 29er, it's been in the shop since almost day one but guess it's a 90mm as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JeepDave View Post
    Wow you must have some tight trails. I'm running a 745 and I run on the narrow side for this area.
    Yeah, some of the trails around here get a little narrow.

    Quote Originally Posted by thorkild View Post
    Stop being a jerk. The vast majority of bars out there are sold in mm, not inch specs.

    To the OP, 685-730mm is probably the most common range for bar widths these days. I prefer wide bars--710-780


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    Going to a 720 on my 26" and currently running a 750 on my 29er.
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    Currently at 720mm wide on mine. 50mm stem

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    There's a nice vid at Pink Pike's Tech Tuesday - 'How Wide Affects Your Ride'
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    It's only natural to put a 29" (~740mm) bar on a 29er.

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    What is the common 29er handlebar width ???
    Does it difference than 26er handlebar width ??? Why ?
    Not sure in all the post if any one gave pro and cons to wider bars for 29er.

    I only been on 29er for 3 years and got a wider salsa bar on my first 29er. I hit alot of trees with the tight trails we have in central pa (michaux, rothrock, bald eagle, and weiser forest). I kept my bars that came on my santa cruz tallboy 2013 (685 on new bike but had 710 on old bike).

    The advantage i saw was wider opens up your upper buddy. Meaning it harder to lift the front wheel on 29er than 26 bike (yeah I know some of you young guys it no difference ). It also easier to move the bike and take some better controls on hits. Make sense to me if I ride wide open trails like raystown system up huntingdon.

    I figure it like lifting weight do you put you hand in close when you dead lift or do you keep them out farther. i know for single speeder bikes they make riding easier (meaning hard tail forks on front not suspension). I'm running 685 but will never go back to the old 640 length (the old 23 to 24.5"). I like it easier to steer the bike, but the drawl back is the tight tails when I scrape the trees (keep hands in 1" when riding through tight tails so end caps hit the trees).

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    It's all about leverage and the wider the bars the better the leverage. After stuffing the front end twice during a race I'll never go back to he narrow bars. Had I had the wider bars I would have had the leverage to pull my way out of the situation. But thats me , I have several friends that swear by the narrow bars.

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    I hadn't given much thought to it, but after reading the replies, I think leverage has a role in preference for wider bar in 29er. I used to have 660mm on a 26er (and felt comfortable), but I found myself going after 710mm or wider for my 29er.
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    When I went to wider bars and a shorter stem, it was an amazing difference. The bike handles much, much better in all situations. I would never go less than 720mm bars or more than a 70mm stem now, because of the way this bike handles when I went there. I ride really tight trails too, but you get used to it quickly and the handling advantage is well worth it for me.

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    Shoot, do it like the fixie fan boys.



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    Great advices so far.....

    I think I'm going for the short stem/wider handlebar option.

    Thanks again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazukea View Post
    It's all about your preference and ergonomics.
    It's also about LOOKING cool too!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by blcman View Post
    It's also about LOOKING cool too!!!


    You can look cool with wide handlebars or stubby handlebars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DavyRay View Post


    You can look cool with wide handlebars or stubby handlebars.
    I think you mean low rise or higher rise bars! lol

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    I have always found... shoulder blade width + 2 inches, to be the most comfortable fitting bar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by blcman View Post
    It's also about LOOKING cool too!!!

    Well, if you want to look cool, then the ape hangers will get the job done.


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    I'm running 80mm stem and super wide bars, love it!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Well, if you want to look cool, then the ape hangers will get the job done.

    That's pretty cool, but it could use a dropper post for the gnar!
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    Quote Originally Posted by blcman View Post
    That's pretty cool, but it could use a dropper post for the gnar!
    Looks pretty dropped to me.

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    How wide you want your bars is something that you decide for yourself.

    I mean rly if you want my opinion you should run 10" wide bars on a 29er and 30" on any other bike (besides a beach cruiser, then i recommend 25.45" wide bars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eshenbaugh View Post
    How wide you want your bars is something that you decide for yourself.

    I mean rly if you want my opinion you should run 10" wide bars on a 29er and 30" on any other bike (besides a beach cruiser, then i recommend 25.45" wide bars.

    Now that is BY FAR the most useful piece of information in this entire thread. Personally, I use little kids bars on my 26er, dirt bike handlebars on my 27.5er, and harley style ape hangers on my 29er, just to make sure they are all properly differentiated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DavyRay View Post


    You can look cool with wide handlebars or stubby handlebars.
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    A little experiment with bar and stem length today. Swapped 660mm 9deg bar on 100mm 5deg stem for a 680mm 9deg bar on 90mm 8deg stem. The bike seemed a lot less stable and was difficult to push into turns. Going over obstacles was unnerving and my front wheel slipped on a log and I barrel rolled into the brush like a ninja. Climbing sucked as it felt like I couldn't make the small steering corrections needed to keep the bike upright.

    Swapped everything back and all was good again. I'm coming to the conclusion that ergonomics plays a bigger part in bike handling than bar and stem length. Duh, right?
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    Whats all this stuff about leverage?

    Seriously, i have never ridden a bike and thought to myself, "man its hard turning these handle bars, what i need is some mechanical advantage so my chicken arms can turn this corner"

    The effect of wider bars IMO stems from the physics of it - wider bars around a point connected to the hubs, means more hand movement for a given wheel movement - through a rock garden this would mean a bit more allowance for a soft hands sort of approach - ie let the wheel move a bit but not too much.

    There is also a balance issue - it is easier to balance on 2 wider points than narrower ones - jumping would benefit from bars wider than your shoulders.

    Most strong climbers I see, narrow their hands, bring their elbows in, and slide forward on their seat to get weight forward.

    So their are pros and cons, wide bars because its the latest and greatest isnt a reason for wide bars

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    I'm rocking 560mm carbon bars on my XTC. Everyone talks about leverage, more control, etc., but I have zero complaints. If I was on a single speed, downhill, or planned on plowing through stuff on an all mountain bike it would be a different story. For XC racing and training these work just fine.
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    It's been mentioned that wider is more stable. I don't think anyone mentioned wider also gets different, maybe stronger, muscles involved.

    Can you do a lot of "diamond" push-ups, with your hands together and your thumb and forefinger creating a diamond? How about further apart? If someone gives a light jolt to you, while in the up-position in either position, in which position can you resist it better? How about for pull-ups and various width grip positions? Can you stand on a balance ball and balance? With feet together? Balancing with 1 point touching the ground is hard. That's why chairs have wide base. Yes, you don't ride with your hands together, and I'm getting kind of far off with the examples, but point is, stability is not a bad thing.

    IMO, go for ergonomics. I prefer a bar that promotes a slightly wider than shoulder width grip width. For me, that's about 710, with 740mm being the wide end and 685mm being the narrow end of my comfort range. I prefer the 740 over the 685 though, since I like the stability.

    I don't see any advantage to narrow, other than weight, clearance, in rare circumstances, and aerodynamics at higher speeds. Please, anyone, point out another advantage of narrow bars, and don't say you look as cool as a fixie rider. Wonder if DH guys will start paying attention to aerodynamics again (ex. skinsuits and aero helmets).

    Just like you can't say go wide due to being a trend, and being the latest and greatest, you can't say go narrow because you've seen most strong climbers narrowing their hands and elbows. I could say maybe those strong climbers are used to roadie positions (Todd Wells?), but it's not wise to jump to conclusions without gathering sufficient information.

    What I'm curious about, why are all these wider bars made into riser bars? What's the kink in the rise do exactly, that makes it better than or preferable over a flat bar? Just to raise the grips higher? Maybe cause they think people want a more "upright" riding position? Or maybe it was for DH where, they need the height for going down seriously steep slopes?

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    the rise on the wider bars helps you keep your same body position in a wider hand stance since you use up more arm length to reach out farther to the side you'd have to bend a bit farther over to grip it but if there's a bit of rise to it it helps to cancel out the lean. I have 1/2" rise on my protaper 720 and that feels about the same as my 685 flats

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    Veraxis, you make good points - larger muscles tend to be slower and less twitchy than finer muscles, so again stability in rough stuff where the bikes wheel is acting on your steering.

    The 2 advantages that come with bars a few inches wider than chest - the 600mm and up range for me is less shoulder pain on endurance events and tree strikes.

    I like my 690 bars, but I hit a lot of trees with em compared to the 660 flats - lots of my local singletrack is weaving in and out of trees - some would require a trackstand and hop on 750mm bars.

    handling wise, its stability or responsive steering - they are mutually exclusive. If your trails are wide open then that is the only question you need to answer.

    I reckon race tracks now are deliberately including some narrow openings and very tight switch's to make it a little harder for the wide barred 29er ?????

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    Quote Originally Posted by pharmaboy View Post
    I reckon race tracks now are deliberately including some narrow openings and very tight switch's to make it a little harder for the wide barred 29er ?????
    In the end, it's all about how big your rack is and whether or not you can get your rack through the trees.

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/tenryuu/6283157291/" title="Big Rack Standing Tall by Tenryuu, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6044/6283157291_5773a0ccde.jpg" width="500" height="331" alt="Big Rack Standing Tall"></a>

    Will it fit?

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    You think that's big? Check out the Syncros 1000mm...

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    At least they have a few narrower than the 1000mm...

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    Can you squeeze your rack through the trees?

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    I like 29" bars on a 29er. I tried a 26" bar but it just felt wrong I won't ever go back to the small bars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    Yeah, well my 725 came with 552 and 223 but I swapped it out for a 677 and 221.

    Seriously, I get what you are saying but I am guessing you just spoke a foreign language to the OP. lol

    Hmmmm, I've been having to convert all the inch measurements to millimeters to know how wide people are talking about. Almost everything on a bike is in metric. Every bar, in all of our distributors catalogs are listed in millimeters. Come out of the dark ages and embrace the metric system.

    I'm running a 740mm bar on a 70mm stem. I like the width, but am considering a 50mm stem.

    My last bar was 725mm and the bar before that 710mm. Every time I go wider, I feel awkward for a ride or two and then get used to it and like the wider bar. I think I've found my sweet spot for my trail bike with the 740mm bar.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dwnhlldav View Post
    Hmmmm, I've been having to convert all the inch measurements to millimeters to know how wide people are talking about. Almost everything on a bike is in metric. Every bar, in all of our distributors catalogs are listed in millimeters. Come out of the dark ages and embrace the metric system.
    I wish we would. We tried years ago, but c'est la vie.

    How many countries in the entire world don't use the metric system?

    Not a heck of a lot....

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    Reading this thread because I'm wondering about bars myself. Hope its not a hijack but I'm just throwing my thoughts out there.

    I'm new to mt. Bikes. When I first got mine I felt like I was just along for the ride. After a month I started to feel more in control and started to feel how I felt on the bike.

    I feel like I'm leaning too far forward. I don't know what the mm of my stem is but I'd guess around 110 based on what I've seen. I have maybe a 720 to 740mm wide flat bar.

    I moved my seat forward all the way on the rails and that helped a little.

    I don't know anything about geometry all I want is the right feel. I'm going to start with a 780 mm answer pro taper bar with a 1" rise. Ill ride it for awhile and make a cut or two as needed. I am also thinking of a shorter stem but going to try one thing at a time and see how it goes.

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    Its been my experience that most 29 riders need wider bars and shorter stems than bikes typically come equipped with. Its an obvious enough problem that I dont really see how it can be an accident. I think its just a way to sell more aftermarket parts and bike fittings.

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    780s on my 29er FS bike and my 26er fatbike. Here's what I notice: Pedaling out of the saddle is MUCH easier with these long bars. Very difficult to do with narrow bars and be comfortable/have leverage. Helps a lot with acceleration (fatbike, 29er, etc).
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    Quote Originally Posted by mack_turtle View Post
    if you're in the market for a new handlebar, buy something wider than what you need. cut a little off the ends if you think it's too wide until you find the sweet spot. I feel at home on 685/710mm bars (that's about 27-28 inches).
    Or move the grips in until you find the sweet spot and cut once.
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    The only way to properly set up a handlebar is like this --

    1 Thumb Shifters - Flipped over. Right side front, Left side back.

    2 Bar-end shifter for rear derailleur. Climbing out of the saddle with a bar-end shifter is nifty.

    3 Inboard bar-ends for an alternate hand position. Works great for steep climbs. Provides extra torque from bar-ends while still allowing access to the brake levers with the pinky and ring finger of my hands.

    Titec Flat Tracker Titanium Flat Bar. 25 inches wide, 11 degree bend. I think it weighs less than 200 grams.
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    All kidding aside, material and sweep are as important as width for me. All of my bars have 10-17 degrees of sweep. The most comfortable bend ergonomically is probably my Salsa Moto Ace bar at 26" wide but it's much stiffer than my titanium bars (25"). Although they don't have as much bend the ride quality of titanium makes them about as comfortable as my Moto-Ace.

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    I've been using the Easton Havoc carbon bar 750mm for about 8 months already. However this morning I have to cut it down to 730mm because when I use the 750mm in my local trail I always hit trees, which isn't fun during high speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BruceBrown View Post
    I wish we would. We tried years ago, but c'est la vie.

    How many countries in the entire world don't use the metric system?

    Not a heck of a lot....
    Thought about this recently. Apart from the benefit of using NM with nautical and aeronautical navigation due to the lines of latitude and conversion from degrees to NM (super easy with english, no easy way to do with metric),

    The main benefit is the words are shorter for us lazy americans. If only the metric system didn't have such long words like nanometer, milliliter, kilogram....we got yards. inch, cups and tons...lol.
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