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    2013 trek Stache or 2013 stumpy evo HELP ME DEICIDE

    I test rode both bike today I enjoyed both of them a lot. Stache was a little more laid bike as the stump evo was more leaned forward with a more aggressive stance. I like both views the bike has to offer, so for the money what do you guys think?

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    I have ridden the Stache and it is a great bike. Never rode the SJ but I do believe it is more race oriented (more than just the cockpit). Both are a really nice packages but if you are not racing I would go Stache. There is a thread on the spec section dedicated to the sj evo. It seems those guys that buy them are XC guys possibly racers that ride mostly tight non technical trails.
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    Well im biased for sure cause I own a pimped out stache 8 but damn, you wanna talk about a fricken fun bik?!?...if you don't race and like to get aggressive, then the stache is a great choice.

    I just got back from bombing dh at carvins cove in Roanoke, VA and the bike was rippin. Had more fun on the stache than my sc blur or sc tallboy. It climbs great and descends even better!

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    How do you ride/want to ride? Answer that first and then we can help you.
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    Im wanting a light weight bike that can turn really well and be able to go over roots logs and also jumps with ease, when i say jumps i mean no more then 5 foot doubles and table tops. In Houston the trails do not have any major steep climbs or descends, there are a lot of roots though witch all come down to line choice but id like to know witch bike would give me that edge, and im mainly all for going fast and having a good time.

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    Stache. Love the frame geometry. Great bang for the buck.

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    Seems like the Stache fits well then.
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    Quote Originally Posted by THOWEDMODE2323 View Post
    Im wanting a light weight bike that can turn really well and be able to go over roots logs and also jumps with ease, when i say jumps i mean no more then 5 foot doubles and table tops. In Houston the trails do not have any major steep climbs or descends, there are a lot of roots though witch all come down to line choice but id like to know witch bike would give me that edge, and im mainly all for going fast and having a good time.
    Seems like the stache is the no brainer then (at least between the two choices you're comparing)...you'll want to shorten the stem and get a dropper post if you're wanting to get aggressive especially if airing it out. However, something like a kona honzo might be better with shorter stays and a 1x10 drivetrain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by setransou View Post
    Seems like the stache is the no brainer then (at least between the two choices you're comparing)...you'll want to shorten the stem and get a dropper post if you're wanting to get aggressive especially if airing it out. However, something like a kona honzo might be better with shorter stays and a 1x10 drivetrain.
    I have to stick with either Trek or Specialized because of the discount I am able to receive. I don't want to loose speed also by going with the Stache, so thats why this is a hard choice. When I'm out riding with the friends we are always trying to one up each other and seeing who can make the trail faster, and when we are tired we are airing it out.

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    A hardtale vs a full suspension ??

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    Quote Originally Posted by ccaddy View Post
    A hardtale vs a full suspension ??
    no both hardtale stache 8 vs stumpjumper evo HT

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    Funny everytime someone talks about the stache someone always chimes in with the Honzo or Mason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flucod View Post
    That is because those 2 models are designed for a longer travel fork, where as the Stache is just a regular frame with longer fork put on. If you put a 100mm fork on it the geo numbers are identical to any other Trek HT.
    Look again. The geo on the superfly is steeper than the stache. You also have internal cable routing w/ routing for dropper post. The frame is acually alot different on the stache than the superfly. Look in person at the rear triangle and seat tube, there is alot of changes to the frame. The stache is designed for a 120 fork just a different approch than the honzo or mason. They are quite abit different bikes read the latest dirt rag. They have all those bikes compared in that issue
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    Quote Originally Posted by THOWEDMODE2323 View Post
    I have to stick with either Trek or Specialized because of the discount I am able to receive. I don't want to loose speed also by going with the Stache, so thats why this is a hard choice. When I'm out riding with the friends we are always trying to one up each other and seeing who can make the trail faster, and when we are tired we are airing it out.
    Lord...just get a bike and ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stygz1 View Post
    Funny everytime someone talks about the stache someone always chimes in with the Honzo or Mason.
    I mentioned it cause he says he wants to "air it out"...but I know what you mean given some of the comments on other forum threads we've been on...

    The guy needs to decide: a) does he want a race bike or b) does he want a trail bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flucod View Post
    No kidding they list the geo different, if you ran a 100mm fork on the Stache the geo is IDENTICAL! It has less head angle because it has a 120mm fork. BB is 1/2" higher, hmmm. You put a 120mm fork on the Superfly and the HA ,SA, BB are all the same. Do you think Dirt Rag is going to call that out? All magazines reviews are paid advertisements. I am not saying it is a bad ride, just saying the other 2 bikes mentioned are superior.
    You make some interesting points and were doing well until that last sentence. Your asserting the superiority of the kona or DB bikes is completely subjective. To base a bikes superiority on its geo makes you sound like some of the wanna-be armchair bike designers on pinkbike, nsmb, mtbr etc...

    I'm glad that all the bike companies are innovating and making these incredible rides. Any one of the bikes mentioned would be a great ride and when you sort out the details, each has its pros and cons. Which is best depends on a lot of variables and the personal preferences of each individual rider but to preach that one is better than the other is just an ignorant comment.

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    Well at this point I still cant decide what Is best for me. Wanting the speed and the trial bike kind of feel seem to be irrelevant between the two.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flucod View Post
    No kidding they list the geo different, if you ran a 100mm fork on the Stache the geo is IDENTICAL! It has less head angle because it has a 120mm fork. BB is 1/2" higher, hmmm. You put a 120mm fork on the Superfly and the HA ,SA, BB are all the same. Do you think Dirt Rag is going to call that out? All magazines reviews are paid advertisements. I am not saying it is a bad ride, just saying the other 2 bikes mentioned are superior.
    The Top tube is also shorter on the stache vs the Superfly. That also changes the headtube angle. Also the down tube is not gusseted on the superfly. Seat tube is shorter on the Stache. Not to mention my statement about the seat tube and rear triangle/chain stays being alot different, not by measurement but by shape/construction. So actually it is quite a bit different frame.

    I really dont think Dirt Rag is in the same league as Mountain bike action. If you actually read the article it was well written and not a subjective perspective.

    When you say superior do you mean for the OP or better bike?
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    Quote Originally Posted by THOWEDMODE2323 View Post
    Well at this point I still cant decide what Is best for me. Wanting the speed and the trial bike kind of feel seem to be irrelevant between the two.

    If I were doing 5ft doubles I would not want a race bike. What draws you to the SJ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flucod View Post
    Not really. The other 2 bikes were designed for a longer travel fork. The Trek is just there normal geo bike with a 120mm fork on it. I can lift up a Prius with 33" tires and call it a Monster Truck. Somehow I do not think it would be as productive as a vehicle specifically designed to be one.
    At no point has Trek marketed the Stache as an all mountain bike or a freeride bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by stygz1 View Post
    If I were doing 5ft doubles I would not want a race bike. What draws you to the SJ?
    I like the brakes on the Evo and the simple 1x10 on it at as well. It's just hard to tell witch I like because I only test rode both bikes in the parking lot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flucod View Post
    Not really. The other 2 bikes were designed for a longer travel fork. The Trek is just there normal geo bike with a 120mm fork on it. I can lift up a Prius with 33" tires and call it a Monster Truck. Somehow I do not think it would be as productive as a vehicle specifically designed to be one.
    Again, your comments are based on your own personal preferences. Having ridden both the honzo and the stache they both have their pros and cons. It all depends on the individual rider and what their needs are and their riding style. Any comment for one being better that the other is completely subjective. You sound like a fanboy...

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    I can tell you the SLX brakes are an Excellent brake and highly reguarded ( I have them on my fuel) along with XT brakes. Every bit as good as the maguras. You can add ice tech pads and rotors if you need them later. As for 1x10 that can also be changed if you want/need to later. One thing is the stache has a 15 axel vs a regular qr on the SJ. That can be a deciding factor for your rough terrain and jumping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bacons View Post
    Stache. Love the frame geometry. Great bang for the buck.
    Hardly.

    Trek Stache 8 MSRP is $2,419.99 and it doesn't even come spec with a dropper post or a Fox 34 fork.

    If you want to talk about great bang for the buck complete bikes take a look at the Kona Honzo ($1800) or Diamondback Mason ($2200). Those are bang for the buck bikes with actually short CS lengths.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Hardly.

    Trek Stache 8 MSRP is $2,419.99 and it doesn't even come spec with a dropper post or a Fox 34 fork.

    If you want to talk about great bang for the buck complete bikes take a look at the Kona Honzo ($1800) or Diamondback Mason ($2200). Those are bang for the buck bikes with actually short CS lengths.
    OP mentioned discounts on specific brands. I would guess that means employee purchase. So, op is not paying close to msrp.

    The points are valid, just less so when substantial discounts are in the mix.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Hardly.

    Trek Stache 8 MSRP is $2,419.99 and it doesn't even come spec with a dropper post or a Fox 34 fork.

    If you want to talk about great bang for the buck complete bikes take a look at the Kona Honzo ($1800) or Diamondback Mason ($2200). Those are bang for the buck bikes with actually short CS lengths.
    Those 2 bikes have already been covered on this thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stygz1 View Post
    Those 2 bikes have already been covered on this thread.
    Thanks Captain Obvious, enjoy your 17.52" chainstays.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Thanks Captain Obvious, enjoy your 17.52" chainstays.
    Hey no problem.

    Judging Geo numbers without actually riding the bike is like marrying a woman based on her measurements.....
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    I know of some women I would like to ride based on their measurements...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshM View Post
    I know of some women I would like to ride based on their measurements...
    Internet high-five!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshM View Post
    I know of some women I would like to ride based on their measurements...

    That sir would be a demo ride.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by eurospek View Post
    Thanks Captain Obvious, enjoy your 17.52" chainstays.
    hahah that's great

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flucod View Post
    No kidding they list the geo different, if you ran a 100mm fork on the Stache the geo is IDENTICAL! It has less head angle because it has a 120mm fork. BB is 1/2" higher, hmmm. You put a 120mm fork on the Superfly and the HA ,SA, BB are all the same. Do you think Dirt Rag is going to call that out? All magazines reviews are paid advertisements. I am not saying it is a bad ride, just saying the other 2 bikes mentioned are superior.
    Don't let the facts get in the way of a good rant:

    Superfly: Trek Bicycle

    Stache: Trek Bicycle

    BB height on Superfly (w/100mm fork): 31.2cm (312mm)

    BB height on Stache (w/120mm fork): 31.6cm (316mm)

    4mm is 2.4mm less than a quarter of an inch, which is 0.8mm over 1/8". If you run 25% sag on both forks, it should put the BB height essentially equal despite the longer travel fork on the Stache.

    The seat tube angle is the same in spite of the longer travel fork on the Stache.

    So, if you put a 120mm fork on a Superfly, it is NOT identical in terms of SA and BB (height) to the Stache. It's much closer to being the same (or is the same) SA and BB height with the different forks, and the HA is one degree different (which would be like putting a 120mm fork on a Stache), but since it would change the SA and BB (height), it would not likely be desirable for most riders (it sure wouldn't be for me).

    Some other things that differentiate the Stache from the Superfly:

    The standover on on the 23" Stache is lower than the Superfly in spite of the longer fork, and is close to the same on the 21" models and goes in the other direction on the smaller models (I ride a 21" or 23", but that is a mixed bag depending on your size).

    The Stache has a 142x12 through axle rear hub, and the Superfly is a standard 135mm QR type.

    The seat tube length on the Stache models is an inch to an inch and a half shorter, than on a similarly sized Superfly, presumably so you can lower the seatpost a bit lower if needed, although the seat tube on the Stache is essentially interrupted. If you're running a dropper post on the Stache, it could help get it lower if need be and you have a post sized to allow it.

    The Stache has ISCG 05 mount on the BB shell, and the Superfly does not.

    The Stache has a brace (to resist braking forces) on the right side of the rear triangle between the chainstay and the seatstay, and the Superfly does not.

    The Stache has internal cable routing, the (aluminum) Superfly does not.

    The seat tube on the Stache is sized for a 31.6mm seatpost, and the seat tube on the Superfly is sized for a 27.2 seatpost (much wider variety of dropper posts available for 31.6 vs. 27.2).

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    As for the Honzo and the Mason, are they not both made for single chainring cranksets? If so, that would be a deal breaker for me, but YMMV.

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    Well someone has some time on their hands....lol. But this thread sure did need some rational thought with all the armchair geo dork fanboy comments. As for the undecided on here, why don't you ask the staff at your local bike shop what they recommend and do some test riding. You'll typically get better, more informed advice than you'll find here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by setransou View Post
    Well someone has some time on their hands....lol. But this thread sure did need some rational thought with all the armchair geo dork fanboy comments. As for the undecided on here, why don't you ask the staff at your local bike shop what they recommend and do some test riding. You'll typically get better, more informed advice than you'll find here.
    yea I am, Friday ill be riding the stumpy and the stache again to see what I like. its just come down to a race bike with a slight trail setup vs. a full on trail bike.

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    The stumpy and Stache are way different in geo, i would test ride some more and pick the on you would like best. The key to this would be the bike that brings the most "joy", or "YEAH!" factor when you are riding around on it.

    I've demoed a Stumpy HT before and loved the hell out of the geo on the trails. It's fast fun and aggressive....although I admit it was the carbon version :P

    The Stumpy has 435mm chainstays, steeper HT angle, and much much shorter wheelbase. It will be the more nimble and responsive bike. If there's a lot of downhill action or descending then i'd say maybe the Stache would be best, but if it's mostly flat with just a some climbing and some downhill then Stumpy is probably the better choice imo.

    The reality though is that YOU need to make the choice based on what YOU like, not what others think. And "what YOU like" should be based off of demo rides, not numbers on paper or LCD screens because these two bikes are very different from each other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by THOWEDMODE2323 View Post
    yea I am, Friday ill be riding the stumpy and the stache again to see what I like. its just come down to a race bike with a slight trail setup vs. a full on trail bike.
    Hopefully you can get some actual trail time and not a parking lot ride. I have ridden the stache 8 on the trail for a total of about 2 hours. It is a great overall ride. I would buy one as a second bike only because I prefer a FS for my primary bike. I would really like a go at the spec sj evo though.
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