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    2012 Trek Rumblefish Elite vs. 2012 Stumpjumper FSR Comp 29

    I am trying to decide which of these 2 bikes I want to buy. I am not an expert when it comes to technical specs and the MSRP of the both bikes are $3000. Based on the technical specs which bike is the best value for money?

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    I was in the same boat exactly as you. I demo rode each at my favorite trail for about 15 miles each, 2011 models. The Stumpy has a new frame and Fox fork, and the Rumblefish has the DRCV fork now. The Rumblefish seemed to fit me better, and seemed to feel a little more solidly made to me.
    I currently ride a 2010 Spec Rockhopper 29 Expert HT.
    I have already put my deposit down/ preordered my 2012 Rumblefish Elite. Both bike shops ( Trailhead and Scott's bikes are in Cleveland , TN) are awesome also.
    If possible try to ride each. You really can't go wrong with either bike in my opinion, I just happen to like the Rumblefish better.
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    Stump or Fish

    OpenSky, I am in the exact same dilemma. I have ridden the 2011 Rumblefish but they sold out before I made a decision… But now that they have up’d the travel to 5” I am glad I missed the 2011. Not that it is making the decision easier. Now I want the RF Elite and believe it is lighter that the SJ FSR by 3lbs. I am in Ontario (Canada) and seem to be having trouble finding a Demo ride for Specialized without traveling for 2 ˝ hrs. And the 2012’s are not in stock anywhere till November for the RF and I was told Feb 2012 for the SJ FSR. At the beginning of 2010 I purchased a $1000.00 2009 Kona Caldera (hardtail) and although the frame is solid the cheap drivetrain components have cost me another $1000.00. I seem to go through brake pads every month and a half… I never should have listened to my lbs when they said I would not need a 29er or dual suspension. As riding for over 2.5 hrs causes back pain… and the 26” wheels get stuck on things the 29’s don’t. I have advanced to the point where I need to take the next step up. I am on the 4th complete drive train on my Kona. I went through 5 shimano freehubs last year. The first after 3 months. I bought a Novatec DS812 sealed bearing hub last October and laced it myself, it has been indestructible until two weeks ago when the ratchet ring broke. I am 6ft and 235lbs. I ride pretty hard. Love technical trails, climbing hills and going down too. When you are picking your line through a rock garden and your front wheel gets hung up, you are flying over the bars before you realize ( yes a couple of times it was rider position.. LOL). With the Rumblefish I do not have that feeling. The one thing about the Stumpy that bothers me is the 2x10 drive train vs the 3x10 on the fish. I currently use all the gears and if I ever find a SJ to ride I will see if I out pedal it, like I expect. I also think the stumpy is more of a DH bike with a slacker head tube angle and suspect it to be less agile in the technical trail. I am hoping to find both of them at the Toronto Bike show Saturday, October 15, 2011. Until then I’ll keep reading…
    If anyone reading this has ridden both 2011 versions… what did you like better on each?
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    When I was shopping last winter, I test rode a Rumblefish, FSR 29er Comp, and Anthem 2 29er and ended up with the Specialized. One of the big selling points that was obvious even in a parking lot test ride was the drivetrain and shifting. Frankly, SRAM does 10 speed better than Shimano IMO. The Shimano shifters (SLX) had very long thumb throws to shift one gear and felt vague. It shifted fine so it wasn't a tune issue, it just felt "cheap" and slow. The SRAM (X7) shifters had much shorter throws and felt crisp and solid. Shifts fired off with a solid feel and that solid shifting continued out on the trail.

    Looking at the spec's...shocks are near equal, forks are equal, Specialized brakes are a minor upgrade. But I would give a big nod to Specialized for the FSR being tubeless ready with the Roval rims already taped, valve stems included, and 2Bliss tires. Just add sealant and your good to go. The Trek Duster rims are convertible to UST spec with rim strips, but you have to buy the rim strips and valve stems. Plus the tires are not the TLR Tubeless Ready tires which is lame on Trek's part.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Element36 View Post
    Now I want the RF Elite and believe it is lighter that the SJ FSR by 3lbs.
    I highly HIGHLY doubt that.

    Considering the Rumblefish Pro weighs 28lbs 10oz (without pedals) and the Stumpjumper FSR Comp 29er weighs 29.02lbs (with pedals, but setup tubeless).
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    When I did this on 2011 bikes the Stumpjumper FSR was the clear winner for me. As mentioned slacker head tube angle, SRAM components, brakes and tubeless ready from the shop sold me. Now I am just trying to figure out if I should sell my 2011 for a 2012??

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    Quote Originally Posted by subspd View Post
    When I did this on 2011 bikes the Stumpjumper FSR was the clear winner for me. As mentioned slacker head tube angle, SRAM components, brakes and tubeless ready from the shop sold me. Now I am just trying to figure out if I should sell my 2011 for a 2012??
    I wasn't sure about what my next bike would be, but after seeing the 2012 Stumpy FSR in person, I was sold.

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    I was in your same situation just two months ago. I tried to read every review about both bikes and I was pretty sure that I would be purchasing the RF until I actually rode both bikes. I loved the stand over height on the stumpy and it seemed to handle a little better compared to the RF. As for the gearing, I was a little uneasy with the 2 x 10, but after riding it I doubt I would ever go any other way. Obviously both bikes are pretty close on paper, so a lot of my decision came down to personal preference. I would have to say that I've been very pleased with my purchase. It's an awesome bike.

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    I sold my 2011 SJ FSR Expert and just bought the 2012 carbon version. I have always found Specialized gives you more bang for the buck

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    also, look at the expert instead of the SJ comp as you get the brain with it. Life is easy with a brain!

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    Drcv + abp = ftw.

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    Rumblefish.

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    Specialized Camber

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    No question the Stumpjumper is a way better bike ride them both Stumpy has way more to offer. I found the 2011 version didn't need the brain it was a great climber. The 2012 offers even more. More travel, lighter weight, 142 rear, PFbb, 130mm travel, etc.

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    +1 on the sram stuff being nicer feeling. you press the lever and it just fires off, you do that on shimano and your left thinking "well im pretty sure it shifted". the wheels arnt the nicest but the stock bike should serve you well until you feel the need to upgrade. plus despite all the flak fsr recieves if you stay light on the pedals with good form bob is not an issue even with the shock open.

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    a few more questions on these two bikes...

    as a tall clyde (6'8" 240lbs) I am looking at these two bikes.

    Does any one have expereince on either bike over long distances, 50 to 70 miles a ride.
    I would like my next bike to be something capable for endurance events but it also needs to stand up to daily / weekly trail rides because I have a one bike budget. As far as endurance events, I am looking to complete the events and push myself, but have I no intentions of "racing."

    Also how much does price play in to the equation? For instance, if one was able to get a really good deal on 2011 Rumblefish 2, would that make it a better value then the stumpy.

    I am kind of partial to the stumpy simply becasue they have been around so long and are tried and true, but the Rumblefish seems like a pretty good bike too.

    I would likely replace the wheels on either bike right from the start with something handbuilt.
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    I test rode the Rumblefish Pro and the Superfly 100 Carbon today at Trek demo days. LOVE the rumblefish, much more than the superfly. Fit me perfectly, very solid feeling, and just felt right. The suspension was awesome, and just floated over the rock gardens and large roots, got some decent air over the jumps too.
    VERY happy that I pre ordered the Rumblefish Elite, due to come in October 10!

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    Sram rear derailleurs (x9) are so smooth stump climbs great my first day with mine i climber some crazy rocky hills like nothing im going to +1 the stumpy 29er

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    Quote Originally Posted by bigE View Post

    Does any one have expereince on either bike over long distances, 50 to 70 miles a ride.
    I would like my next bike to be something capable for endurance events but it also needs to stand up to daily / weekly trail rides because I have a one bike budget. As far as endurance events, I am looking to complete the events and push myself, but have I no intentions of "racing."
    hearing that i think the camber might be a better fit for you. a little more efficient for the long rides but still fun on the everyday trail ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OpenSky View Post
    I am trying to decide which of these 2 bikes I want to buy. I am not an expert when it comes to technical specs and the MSRP of the both bikes are $3000. Based on the technical specs which bike is the best value for money?
    Don't forget the 'Made in the USA' brand, Intense Tracer 29 and Spider 29. They offer the superior ride of a VPP, and you can contribute to the US economy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Intense 4life View Post
    They offer the superior ride of a VPP
    That's a matter of opinion.

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    Stumpy is very nice. I have the 2011 Comp (didn't want the brain), upgraded wheels and shifters and love the bike. It is an all-mountain machine - not a xc ride. 5"+ on both ends with a slack HTA. Love the low BB. I use to ride an SC Bullit with a 130mm fork, and used it for a trail/AM bike. The Stumpy is every bit as capable. Spec should be marketing it as a trail/AM bike. The suspension is awsome for trail/AM riding - super plush and active when pedaling through the rough.

    The bike really came to life when I put wider bars on it and pushed the seat a bit forward to weight the front end. I also went with a Spec Black-lite Command Post dropper - best dropper post I've used to date. I'd love a carbon fiber version of the bike. The bike is a bit porky and the FSR suspension out back is not that laterally rigid. For the price, it is one killer bike for aggressive trail riding.

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    stumpy vs. camber

    Quote Originally Posted by b-kul View Post
    hearing that i think the camber might be a better fit for you. a little more efficient for the long rides but still fun on the everyday trail ride.
    I have looked at the Camber but the stumpy has a longer top tube which I think I need. I have been called "torso man."

    Maybe I should take a closer look at the Camber...

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    My stumpy was only 27lbs medium with a carbon bar and tubeless tires. It's a lot of bike for the money for sure. But the wheelset and rear linkage didnt like how I beat on it. In the end I sold it.

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    I test rode a 2011 Rumblefish the other week and immediately ordered a 2012 Rumblefish Elite from my shop. It too is due in Oct 10th. We are doing a few upgrades out of the box:

    Switching to 2x10 drivetrain via XT crank and mech
    Switching to Nevegal tires w/ Stans tubeless
    Swapping in Thompson post, stem and WTB Rocket V Ti saddle from old bike.

    Should drop quite a bit of weight and feel awesome. I am so psyched.
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    Have anyone test rode the 2012 Rumblefish and Stumpy?

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    2011 Rumblefish II compared to 2012 Stumpy FSR comp

    If both bikes could be had for $2700 and...

    The 2011 Rumblefish had a RP23 Fox Shock, a Fox f29 RLC, xt cranks, xtr drive train and avid elixar R brakes...

    and the 2012 Stumpy Comp had a Fox Triad Shock, a Fox Evolution 130 fork, Sram cranks and an X9 drive train.

    Which one is the better value / overall bike?

    I have ridden and really like the Rumblefish. Test riding the Stumpy seems like a bit more of a challenge.

    Advice, Opinions, Expereince that has not already been mentioned in this thread...

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    At $2799 complete, could the Niner Jet 9 X7 build kit not be in consideration?
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    The top tube length on the Trek is longer, which I want / need.

    I think the Jet would also be a little light under my 240lbs also.


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    Stumpy all the way. More up to date tech, PFBB, 142 rear, lighter, autosag, etc. Some might say the new Roval wheels on the Stumpy are better too.

    Also x9 vs XT is a personal choice.

    I have had both in the 2011 versions hands down the SRAM x9 was better as far as shifting. But I like XT cranks better. And I do not like Avid brakes.

    So again the Stumpy gets the nod.

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    Well this may not matter since the 2012 is probably a completely different animal, but I had the Rumblefish II, when it still had Gary Fisher written on it instead of that god-awful TREK crap. I really liked the bike. I ended up swapping out components from the previous bike as the RF hadn't come all that well-equipped (to me that means XO), and I upgraded the wheelset. Back then it came with Bontrager Elite's, which were really flexy, so I went to the Pro's, which stiffened things up nicely. I rode this bike for 2 years. I found it to be an extremely competent descender, and it simply roared over rock gardens. But truth be told, any FS 29er is going to do the exact same thing. And the RF wasn't the best climber, to be honest. I did like the DRCV shock, it has a very plush feel and works very well on climbs, but still the bike won't be the fastest to the top. If they've changed a bunch of things for 2012 in areas that support a little stiffer rear end and better climbing ability, then it could be a wicked fun ride. But honestly, the 2012's are ugly as sin. At least the Elite and Pro. But I'm biased, as I just HATE the Trek branding. But the colors are gnarly too, IMO.
    But yeah, if you can ride them first, that's the way to go obviously. If you're set on the RF, maybe see if you can get your LBS to do you a deal on the Pro, and get it closer to what you want to spend... better, lighter wheels are VERY important on a 29er. It will be your #1 concern as to whether or not you get up the trail faster than your buddies.

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    Quote Originally Posted by subspd View Post
    Stumpy all the way. More up to date tech, PFBB, 142 rear, lighter, autosag, etc. Some might say the new Roval wheels on the Stumpy are better too.

    Also x9 vs XT is a personal choice.

    I have had both in the 2011 versions hands down the SRAM x9 was better as far as shifting. But I like XT cranks better. And I do not like Avid brakes.

    So again the Stumpy gets the nod.
    The 2012 RF Elite has the ABP with the 142 x 12 thru-axle. Autosag is only going to work up to a certain weight rider, and IMO is something else to go wrong down the road... Spec tends to have a few very proprietary parts that can be hard to deal with if something goes wrong - mind you - most makes have something or other that is unique to them and you have to jump through hoops as a customer/dealer to support or get it fixed, but the Big S seems to be leading that charge. Nice riding bikes though.

    I agree with the difference on the brakes - the Avids are not as nice as Shimano, and the shifters/derailleurs are equivalent - just really depends on which you like the operation of better. Both work well if set-up right and both seem to be really durable. (I'm a bit of a Shimano fan, but that's neither here nor there - just like the shift levers better than SRAM).

    Ride 'em both and get the one that feels the best to you...
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    I'm glad I wasn't the only one with this dilemma. I haven't had a chance to ride either one yet. Both companies will be here for demo rides this weekend so I'll be able to do so at that time.

    Initially, however, I like the looks and standover feel of the RF. Trek, all of their bikes, seem to me like a higher quality build bike. The looks of Specialized seems like their aiming to target market for younger generation. More specifically teenagers.

    Not that that's a bad thing at all. But the serious more mature look of the Trek translates into a higher quality built bike.

    This is just my visual analasys though. I really do need to ride them. Right off the top, the brakes seem way better on the Trek. I'll know for sure this weekend when I test ride the Stumpy.

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    I was unable to get a test ride on the RF Trek in SoCal, so there was nothing to compare the Stumpy too. The Specialized dealer made it easier by carrying the bike and having test bikes. I purchased the Stumpy and it is great!

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    Well, I think that's what it's going to come down to with me as well. Opportunity and timing. I have no doubt that they are both A1 excellent bikes. Either one I choose, I will be stoked! In the end, it'll come down to who has it in stock, which LBS I like better and who will give me a few bucks off the MSRP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OpenSky View Post
    I was unable to get a test ride on the RF Trek in SoCal, so there was nothing to compare the Stumpy too. The Specialized dealer made it easier by carrying the bike and having test bikes. I purchased the Stumpy and it is great!
    The 2011 Stumpy comp I bought had low end Elixers. Once they bedded in they are the nicest feeling brakes I own.

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    Update:

    I had the chance to ride an RF. I was SHOCKED at how heavy the bike was (not to mention ugly plain Jane brown with no graphics). That killed it for me right there and I immediately bought a Specialized Camber Comp 29. I pick it up Friday.

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    Just fyi for all the people talking about the advantage of SRAM over Shimano, the 2012 Rumblefish is on SRAM components, so I think at that point the biggest difference is the 120mm travel vs. the 130mm travel.

    Personally, I liked the Stumpjumper more but not $500 more. To each his own.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VoidSix View Post
    Just fyi for all the people talking about the advantage of SRAM over Shimano, the 2012 Rumblefish is on SRAM components, so I think at that point the biggest difference is the 120mm travel vs. the 130mm travel.

    Personally, I liked the Stumpjumper more but not $500 more. To each his own.
    Yes, the RF has SRAM components but the RF Elite and Pro have Shimano components.

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    Yeah, and it is not even X9. It is only X7.
    X9,XX,X0 are all using the same tech, It appears, from what I have been reading, if you get the X7 RD upgrade the shifters to X9 and get a better shift. I just want the Fox fork, If I am buying a new bike I want it to be the best I can afford. One shop here around Dundas Ontario will give me a RF Elite for $2850 CAN, there is a closer shop, just not sure if they will drop the ridiculous $3199mslp. I am about to pull the trigger on a RF Elite, Stumpy or Camber... The best thing the RF has going for it is a LBS rent it @$50/day. The Stumpy and Camber are coming in at another shop... but will not be an all day ride. Spending 5 times as much and I use to spend on cars when I was much younger makes me realize how serious I am about riding, and how much I love my toys. Currently I have a XT shadow RD and it sucks, from the third week of ownership it has been sticky in the middle gears. you always wonder if you really shifted or not. This bike however If it does not work it is getting upgraded/replaced.
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    I test rode both the 2012 Rumblefish elite and 2012 Stumpjumper FSR 29 and ended up buying the Rumblefish Elite size large. It felt much better to me on the rides, handled quicker and I like the feel of the new DCR Fox shock and fork. I personally also really like the look of the gold/raw finish, it is a good looking bike.

    I have been riding it for almost 3 months now and absolutely love this bike. It is plush, climbs well and just feels good on the trail. I did upgrade the wheels to Hadley/Flow combo to give some more durability with my 220 lbs weight (I am going to use the old wheels for my sons new bike). The SLX brakes are working flawlessly and I was a Sram shifter guy but am digging the new Shimano 3x10. The 2 bikes have the same smaller 2 chainrings (22/32) but the stumpy uses a bash gaurd instead of the big ring. I have been using the 22 granny gear on climbs so that is important to me. I also use the big ring on the road some to get to the trail.

    Overall it is what feels best for you, demo the bikes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Element36 View Post
    Yeah, and it is not even X9. It is only X7.
    X9,XX,X0 are all using the same tech, It appears, from what I have been reading, if you get the X7 RD upgrade the shifters to X9 and get a better shift. I just want the Fox fork, If I am buying a new bike I want it to be the best I can afford. One shop here around Dundas Ontario will give me a RF Elite for $2850 CAN, there is a closer shop, just not sure if they will drop the ridiculous $3199mslp. I am about to pull the trigger on a RF Elite, Stumpy or Camber... The best thing the RF has going for it is a LBS rent it @$50/day. The Stumpy and Camber are coming in at another shop... but will not be an all day ride. Spending 5 times as much and I use to spend on cars when I was much younger makes me realize how serious I am about riding, and how much I love my toys. Currently I have a XT shadow RD and it sucks, from the third week of ownership it has been sticky in the middle gears. you always wonder if you really shifted or not. This bike however If it does not work it is getting upgraded/replaced.
    If blindfolded, nobody could tell a difference in the shifting between X7 and X9..also how a bike handles/performs has little to do with components hung on it. The frame is what's important. That being said, I have a 2010 RF one with Fox and SLX..there is no great difference between a Fox or Rock Shox with similar thru axle configurations..and Air fork is an air fork. I've ridden both..they are both acceptable.
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    I now own the 2012 Rumblefish Elite... what sold me... I was able to rent one for the day... took it to one of my favorite spots and rode for almost 5hrs... I had ridden the Stumpjumper Comp which is in the same price range and the Camber... but was only able to find parking lot rides. I was sold by the feeling I had coming to the top of some twisty uphill... it is amazing coming from a 26er hard tail how minor obstacles now feel.. that is the biggest difference I have found so far. That and my back no longer takes a pounding.
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    They are both great bikes. Test riding makes all the difference in the world.

    Element36's reason is the exact same as the one that made me decide on the Camber. I had a great long demo on an Epic (almost the same but 10mm less travel and slightly steeper head angle) but there were no Trek demos so I couldn't ride one.

    20 minutes into the demo my mind was already made up that I was going to buy one.

    New wheels and a single chainring conversion and she's a race winner. A few other minor mods brought her from 29.7 pounds new to 26.9 (this photo has the stock seatpost but I've upgraded that and save nearly 100 grams/quarter pound) Not bad for a Large aluminum frame 29er.

    We've got The 12 Hours of Tsali race next month in North Carolina.

    We plan on a podium finish
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    Anybody know the stumpys real weight in large? I know the stock Rumblefish elite is 31.6#'s

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    Quote Originally Posted by crashtom View Post
    Anybody know the stumpys real weight in large? I know the stock Rumblefish elite is 31.6#'s
    I had the LBS weigh my Large 2012 stumpy before going tubeless, and it was 29.5 lbs. It had some crappy plastic pedals on it.

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    Thanks for info

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miker J View Post
    The 2011 Stumpy comp I bought had low end Elixers. Once they bedded in they are the nicest feeling brakes I own.
    Update... The low end Avid Elixers that came stock on my Stumpy feel really nice, and have been durable, BUT, the new XTs I installed on another bike are tops by far. Finally, a component, like King rear hubs, something I no longer have to think about which should I buy when needed.

    Brakes are now officially a "no brainer", go XT when you have the choice.

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    I went with the RF and like it a lot. Great bike!

    Todd


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    I'm debating this exact pair of bikes....leaning toward the stumpjumper though. it just felt and rode really nice.

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