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    2011 Gary Fisher Paragon cracking @ seatpost

    I know the previous generation Paragons had issues of cracking around the seat post, I know, I had one replaced under warranty with a 2011 Paragon that has the new frame design. I figured that they were able to sort out the cracking issues with the new design.

    Looking over my bike today I found cracks around the seat tube again but this time it is cracking at the rear of the seat tube. The cracks spread around he seat tube at the top where the relief slots have been cut into the frame. There are three relief slots cut into the frame and the crack is spreading to the other two relief cuts

    This frame is also the same frame as the Super Fly AL. Just wondering if any others have experienced this on the new design?

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    Can you take a picture? I have one of these too, and it has been solid. I broke a couple of the older ones in pretty short order though. I haven't heard of these ones having a problem but there will probably always be a few that crack for whatever reason.
    I'm looking forward to regretting this.......

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    Pics?--or it didn't happen??

    --that is what they say here (but I had a G1 Paragon crack so it is interesting to see the 2011 frame crack)----I now have a 2012 (but seems very sturdy now)---

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    After seeing this I was a little paranoid so with magnifying glass in hand, I looked mine over pretty good all around the seat tube top tube junction. Mine is in the clear so far, I've got a couple thousand miles on it at least including multiple trips to Moab, Vegas, Fruita, etc...places that are rather chunky. And I'm fairly chunky myself. LIke I say, I broke a couple of the older ones in only a few hundred miles, but this one seems solid. I'd just chalk it up to a rare break and enjoy the new frame!
    I'm looking forward to regretting this.......

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    Here is a pic from my iPhone. You can see the cracks starting at the relief cut and spreading to the front of the seat post. The cracks are approx. 1/4" long but I would think that they will only get worse. BTW, I mount my seat post collar backwards so you are looking at the back of the seattube

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    Quote Originally Posted by halfnhalf View Post

    This frame is also the same frame as the Super Fly AL. Just wondering if any others have experienced this on the new design?
    Trek gave me a 2012 Superfly Al Elite to replace my 2010 Paragon that cracked at the usual spot. It is a completely different frame.
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    A1an, the frame in the picture is a 2011 Paragon which is the new frame design. Your 2012 Superfly Al is the replacement for the Paragon since the Paragon is no longer being produced.

    The old design that they were having so many problems with the frame cracking were up to 2010. They redesigned the seat tube/seat stay/top tube junction for 2011 which I have. There have been no other frame changes since 2011, only color changes and renaming

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    Thanks for the pic. That sucks it cracked though.
    I'm looking forward to regretting this.......

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    Man, from what I have seen (2 post here) they both cracked in the same place. I have a new 2012 I got last Spring (for my old G1 Paragon cracking BIG TIME) in the usual place. I was just glad I saw it (because I would have had REAL problems if it broke while I was riding.)

    But I love TREK and love my new warranty (so Glad I have it if that happens)--BUT SUCKS when it does!! And like I posted in the other thread I would have though that would have been a design in the seatpost so it would not crack there?

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    knock on wood mine has been going strong for 2 years. do you have enough seatpost inserted?
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    I have plenty of seat post inside the frame. Took it by the shop today and they are taking care of the warranty.

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    One of my friends had this problem with this bike. He found out that it was something in the frame because he took the post and saddle out and put it on another bike and was silent. It's the frame and your going to have to deal unless you get a new frame.
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    Quick update, the lbs took great care of me. Trek replaced my Paragon with a 2012 Superfly Al Elite. I was only out a bike for a week. Lets hope the crack on my previous frame was a fluke.

    Last edited by halfnhalf; 02-04-2013 at 09:55 AM.

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    I know this is an old thread

    but it's still relevant. Last fall I noticed a small crack just above the weld on the front of the seat tube. But because of the flat paint it was hard for the guys at the shop to verify it. Well after riding it thru winter, the crack grew enough that there wasn't any doubt. The shop took it in and made a claim, I'm just waiting now on word or a replacement from trek.

    Photo:2011 Gary Fisher Paragon cracking @ seatpost-tumblr_o7ca96pgsi1uo965to1_1280.jpg

    Also of note, while at the shop, and looking at the stripped down frame, there are cracks on the rear of the seat tube coming off each side of the relief hole of the rear slot - just like the OP.

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    I've think about this thread now and again, and I've noticed I have a very small crack coming from one side of each relief hole. They're only about 1/8", and I've noticed them for a couple of years and I don't think they've grown. I love the frame, so I haven't done anything about it. However, I'll keep an eye out at the top tube seat tube section for sure to see if anything develops. I'd be interested to know what frame Trek will replace yours with.
    I'm looking forward to regretting this.......

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnyspoke View Post
    I'd be interested to know what frame Trek will replace yours with.
    Me too. I don't really want to upgrade to carbon, but then I don't want crap low end aluminum. And hopefully it doesn't take too long. I'll update in the future.

    Be sure to keep an eye on those cracks, would suck if it broke while riding.

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    So what's the process if you have a crack like this but are not the original owner of the bike...are you basically SOL when it comes to a warranty claim?

    edit: so I just chatted with a TREK rep and told them that I own a used bike no warranty blah blah. They said if I needed a replacement frame for my 2015 Fuel EX9 it would be 1229 for the aluminum, which is honestly less than I expected, for a $4k bike that's not horrible IMO.

    They also said that in the future if they run out of frames, they would have "alternatives" available for warranty or non warranty claims. I imagine that would entail some kind of discount on a new bike, not TREK saying "hey guess what we'll weld you up a 2015 frame", but I could be wrong.

    My only tip for anyone who's going through a claim is as pissed as you might be, don't act like a dick. I work in sales and my desire to help good people is much higher than those who scream at me. I guarantee if someone comes to TREK with an out of warranty claim and explains their situation, they might have to jump through a few hoops but something will get done.

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    Just picked up my replacement today. I'll try to update with photos later. Trek and my shop are awesome. They replaced the frame with a current Superfly carbon frame. I know I said I didn't want to upgrade to carbon, but I was thinking it would be an upgrade charge if I went that route. It sounds like Trek was out of aluminum Superfly frames.

    Now the only drawbacks are with swapping over parts. The BB is a little different and I had to buy a new bearing kit. $25 isn't a big deal. The rear dropout is Closed Convert, stock with 142 x 12 thru axle. My rear wheel is 135 x 10 QR, so I have to buy the correct dropout and QR. Looks like that's gonna be about $50 for the dropout and $18 for the QR. Not huge, but adds to the price. I'll also have to check the spec on the rear brake. The Paragon is IS standard. The new one is Balanced Post Mount, so I'm not sure if I need any spacers or extenders to run my 160mm rotors.

    Overall stoke factor is high, I can't wait to build the bike back up.

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    Here's a photo of the replacement frame:

    2011 Gary Fisher Paragon cracking @ seatpost-tumblr_o82ebmpahv1uo965to1_1280.jpg

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